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George is simultaneously making both journalism and being an MP look like joke careers.
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How can George Osborne combine being editor of a city newspaper with being an advisor to an investment firm and having a vote on press regulation?
And six other potential conflicts of interest.
https://order-order.com/2017/03/17/8-huge-osborne-conflicts-of-interest/0 -
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.0 -
This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.0
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Give him his due, he's been reasonably restrained, so far. If this keeps him from making mischief in the House or the party, so much the better.Casino_Royale said:
I wonder what his constituents in Tatton will make of him making London and the interests of London his primary focus.GIN1138 said:
It helped that Boris had a London seat of course. Even so it was hardly an ideal situation...RobD said:
Boris Johnson was also editor of Spectator from 1999-2005, becoming an MP in 2001.justin124 said:Iain Macleod was editor of the Spectator in the mid 1960s and remained an MP - as did Dick Crossman in the early 1970s when editor ofthe New Statesman.
Does Osborne actually ever grace Tatton with his presence or does he just flit in for an hour every six months?
Goodbye Northern Powerhouse.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt until/unless he demonstrates he doesn't deserve it.0 -
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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I think being Chancellor was a full time London based job hundreds of miles away from his constituency.GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
However I'd draw the line if George appoints @TSE as fashion editor !!0 -
No formal qualifications required, poorly informed and wrong on most things, ....yeap...Pulpstar said:George is simultaneously making both journalism and being an MP look like joke careers.
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Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Although it might explain the various budget shambles he engineered over the years...
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So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.0 -
So, as I thought, he's not doing it for the money - he could easily get a huge amount more than that elsewhere, and for much less work.TheScreamingEagles said:Bargain
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So, if not for the money, why is he doing it?0 -
Whoever thought the power stance was a good look for GO is an absolute numpty.0
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George sat himself on top of a powder keg with his threat of a punishment budget and Dave lit the fuse when he ran away from his responsibilities.Casino_Royale said:
That wasn't my point, or yours.TheScreamingEagles said:
We haven't gone away you know.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry, but the Cameroons don't run the Tory Party anymore.TheScreamingEagles said:The pound shop Gordon Brown Theresa May must be really regretting being so rude and abusive to George Osborne when she fired him.
Just remember darling, it was the Cameroons that made you PM, wethey can quite as easily end your tenure as PM.0 -
I'm never going to by The Standard again ☺
Can they do a tv ad w GO shouting 'Shtand-Errrd' outside a tube station in his best Estuary glottal stop?
FWIW new readers should always have 'Ewer' in mind when doing the backboard crossword... about an EVS chance it's one of the answers in my experience0 -
How much equity are they giving him?Richard_Nabavi said:
So, as I thought, he's not doing it for the money - he could easily get a huge amount more than that elsewhere, and for much less work.TheScreamingEagles said:Bargain
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So, if not for the money, why is he doing it?0 -
Everybody knows that being a back bench MP is a non-job. GO might make the Standard worth reading since he's intelligent and provocative.0
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A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.0 -
Will ACOBA block this ?0
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No. The chance of a Cabinet job goes with being an MP. Unless we bring the Cabinet in from the private sector (probably not a bad idea?) MP's from the governing party have to fill those positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Osborne taking a full time job in the private sector while remaining MP for Tatton is a completely different scenario...0 -
I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.
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See Boris JohnsonPulpstar said:George is simultaneously making both journalism and being an MP look like joke careers.
Perhaps they are......
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I always pick up a few copies when I'm in London as free liners for my bunnies' poop tray.isam said:I'm never going to by The Standard again ☺
Can they do a tv ad w GO shouting 'Shtand-Errrd' outside a tube station in his best Estuary glottal stop?
FWIW new readers should always have 'Ewer' in mind when doing the backboard crossword... about an EVS chance it's one of the answers in my experience0 -
Presumably he won't be paying out damages to anyone now though?Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
These days "bankruptcy" is actually a very painless way or avoiding your debts and responsibilities.0 -
Looks as though it was sold, not gifted?FrancisUrquhart said:
A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.0 -
Because it interests him - he intended to go into journalism - and maybe he still harbours political ambitions and this is a way of keeping them warm.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, as I thought, he's not doing it for the money - he could easily get a huge amount more than that elsewhere, and for much less work.TheScreamingEagles said:Bargain
twitter.com/DJBond6873/status/842720932905082880
So, if not for the money, why is he doing it?0 -
The timing of the transfer couldn't be clearer, and his daughters are adults and live elsewhere. One of them even worked for his law firm.FrancisUrquhart said:
A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.
I don't often think it's reasonable to make someone homeless, but I'm willing to make a rare exception for this scumbag.0 -
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
But for how long once the wheels come off (both May and Corbyn)?Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
I think May is skating on very thin ice at the moment and will have a spectacular fall from grace within the next two years.0 -
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
The unwritten rule is cabinet members tend to be from safe seats. Marginals require MP to spend time with voters. Ed Miliband and Peter Mandleson probably don't even know where their constituencies are/were!GIN1138 said:
No. The chance of a Cabinet job goes with being an MP. Unless we bring the Cabinet in from the private sector (probably not a bad idea?) MP's from the governing party have to fill those positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Osborne taking a full time job in the private sector while remaining MP for Tatton is a completely different scenario...0 -
Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?0
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To be honest Metro and the Schtaaandad are relics of a bygone age that need putting down. A paper newspaper thats printed every day to be handed out free to semi-interested people who flick through it for 10 minutes then discard it is hardly sustainable.
Its 2017. Everyone has a smart device. Give people a "free" electronic copy.0 -
It seems untenable unless he were to take the editorial direction in favour of the government's approach. But of course, why would he even want to be editor if it wasn't to stir shit up for the government.Casino_Royale said:
It's weird. Theresa May will be actively whipping the editor of the London Evening Standard in the House of Commons to vote for her Government's policies.Wulfrun_Phil said:"No doubt it will be pointed out that Boris Johnson managed for a time the twin roles of being an MP and editing the Spectator."
With the small difference that (1) the Spectator is a weekly not a daily and more importantly in the political context (2) the LES is a regional not a national publication, claiming to speak for a capital city whose interests are vastly different to the regional interests of the North West.
The conflict of interest is so manifest that there is going to be great pressure on Osborne to step down.
Yet, he will be the independent editor of *the* major newspaper in our capital city actively critiquing those Government policies at exactly the same time.0 -
Increasingly, that's true of right wing parties in Western countries. Mega cities vote Left, while the hinterlands vote Right.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
Shiner's ex-property is clearly worth far more than £ 300,000. A proven lawyer.FrancisUrquhart said:
A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.0 -
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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Fixed for you...MonikerDiCanio said:
Shiner's ex-property is clearly worth far more than £ 300,000. A provenFrancisUrquhart said:
A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.lawyerliar.0 -
A HUGE amount of the expertise, talent, business and general wonderfulness of London is provided by the millions who work there but don't live there. Watch the masses coming off the trains any morning and you are looking at them. These people vote in the home counties or further afield. It's a mistake to equate totally the politics of London with it's business and cultural vibrancy.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
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just laughing at what the Media are saying about Gideon. The Press is NOT NEUTRAL. It is run by power barons who can turn a nice story into a vitriolic attack on an innocent person. The Mirror might as well be run by the Labour party. The BBC is run by the Labour party. It is all bias0
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London's prosperity depends on the rest of the country not voting like London.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
Yes. Labour are as bad as the Tories when it comes to taking their safe seats for granted (though at least Tristrum Hunt resigned when he got his full time job)Dixie said:
The unwritten rule is cabinet members tend to be from safe seats. Marginals require MP to spend time with voters. Ed Miliband and Peter Mandleson probably don't even know where their constituencies are/were!GIN1138 said:
No. The chance of a Cabinet job goes with being an MP. Unless we bring the Cabinet in from the private sector (probably not a bad idea?) MP's from the governing party have to fill those positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Osborne taking a full time job in the private sector while remaining MP for Tatton is a completely different scenario...
In an ideal world every seat would be a marginal and all MP's would be kept on their toes.0 -
and we need to get rid of the Labour MayorTheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
I'm forming the Yorkshire and London Independence party.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
Yorkshire and London jointly secede from the UK and form a new country.0 -
Although in London you have the further dichotomy that a large proportion of the workforce for the key tax-generating financial services industry don't live there, instead commuting in from the right-leaning Home Counties (New York is similar, but few others, I think?)Sean_F said:
Increasingly, that's true of right wing parties in Western countries. Mega cities vote Left, while the hinterlands vote Right.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
As a Lancastrian living in Yorkshire's most northerly outpost I'd like to upset my fellow parochial loon councillors and create an exclave of Lancashire to avoid your plan to merge with that LondonTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm forming the Yorkshire and London Independence party.
Yorkshire and London jointly secede from the UK and form a new country.0 -
Fair enough not to invite a hack though...williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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Of course. Most people in London are tourists, some stay for a day, some for a decade. It's great when people that aren't from the South East talk as if everyone who works in London lives there and loves it. A lot of 'Londoners' are straight outta 'Common People'Patrick said:
A HUGE amount of the expertise, talent, business and general wonderfulness of London is provided by the millions who work there but don't live there. Watch the masses coming off the trains any morning and you are looking at them. These people vote in the home counties or further afield. It's a mistake to equate totally the politics of London with it's business and cultural vibrancy.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............0 -
Me too, Mr. Gin, though I have always wondered how much his going out of the back door was at his request so as to avoid the press. I have never thought much of the bloke - far too much in the Brown mould as a political chancellor building his own power-base rather than doing his day job (at which he was not actually very good).GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.
The conflicts of interest between his role as an MP and the editor of newspaper seem obvious and a gentleman wouldn't put himself in such a position. However, that said I am not sure that his new job will give him the influence, let alone power, that some on here seem to think. A freebie paper that is read by less than one in eight of its target population and by very few people outside it is not going to command a lot of attention and that is without the "Well it would say that, wouldn't it " effect kicks in.0 -
Spot on. One of May's key errors from the start. He will be wasted at the Standard but otherwise no reason on earth why he shouldn't do the job. Being a MP is not really a full-time job. Never has been. If it was the Executive would be separate from the Legislature as in the US.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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Send him to an Iraqi prison to encourage him not to use chicanery like he has.Sandpit said:
The timing of the transfer couldn't be clearer, and his daughters are adults and live elsewhere. One of them even worked for his law firm.FrancisUrquhart said:
A property in Birmingham, which the Insolvency Service lists as his address, was transferred to his daughters for £300,000 in January.Sean_F said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39301681
Phil Shiner's gone bankrupt. What a pity.
The service said the sale of the house and any other transfer of assets would be subject to investigation to ensure his creditors recoup as much of the money owed to them as possible.
I don't often think it's reasonable to make someone homeless, but I'm willing to make a rare exception for this scumbag.
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Yes, but would you want a national newspaper editor attending a private meeting?williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
Everyone else there will just keep their mouth shut at the '22 and use another forum to speak openly.0 -
Maybe as an item but never for a job.dugarbandier said:0 -
If the BBC is run by Labour, why is Farage's gurning mug never off the telly?Dixie said:just laughing at what the Media are saying about Gideon. The Press is NOT NEUTRAL. It is run by power barons who can turn a nice story into a vitriolic attack on an innocent person. The Mirror might as well be run by the Labour party. The BBC is run by the Labour party. It is all bias
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arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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You've seen the light, you know how awesome Yorkshire is, you won't want to leave that.RochdalePioneers said:
As a Lancastrian living in Yorkshire's most northerly outpost I'd like to upset my fellow parochial loon councillors and create an exclave of Lancashire to avoid your plan to merge with that LondonTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm forming the Yorkshire and London Independence party.
Yorkshire and London jointly secede from the UK and form a new country.0 -
Well Johnson is a hack who somehow blags his way into Cabinet meetings so a backbench committee should be easy.RobD said:
Fair enough not to invite a hack though...williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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Not sure the two are inconsistent.Bromptonaut said:
If the BBC is run by Labour, why is Farage's gurning mug never off the telly?Dixie said:just laughing at what the Media are saying about Gideon. The Press is NOT NEUTRAL. It is run by power barons who can turn a nice story into a vitriolic attack on an innocent person. The Mirror might as well be run by the Labour party. The BBC is run by the Labour party. It is all bias
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London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.0 -
Nowhere near as lucky as you with your turnip on a platter upbringing.malcolmg said:
arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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We're all shocked I tell you, shocked.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
Hmm, a column writer is a touch different from an editor.williamglenn said:
Well Johnson is a hack who somehow blags his way into Cabinet meetings so a backbench committee should be easy.RobD said:
Fair enough not to invite a hack though...williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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Well that is not the point. There was no need for the deliberate rudeness in the way she sacked so many people , often with leaking of the private conversation to really rub it in. It could have easily been , well it easily could have been put as 'you backed the wrong horse, alls fair in love and war' etc. It's time for a rest but I might call on you if we need your talents later etc etc, Instead it was all spit in the eye stuff and even quite minor players who were merely loyal to Cameron got the axe. Politeness and civility cost nothing.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
Big
BrotherSister is watching....
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Born with a silver turnip in his.....err...censored!RobD said:
Nowhere near as lucky as you with your turnip on a platter upbringing.malcolmg said:
arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?0 -
She is rude and in the long run ineffective. I have very little sympathy for Osborne anyway. But Cameron will not have behaved that way.RationalPlan said:
Well that is not the point. There was no need for the deliberate rudeness in the way she sacked so many people , often with leaking of the private conversation to really rub it in. It could have easily been , well it easily could have been put as 'you backed the wrong horse, alls fair in love and war' etc. It's time for a rest but I might call on you if we need your talents later etc etc, Instead it was all spit in the eye stuff and even quite minor players who were merely loyal to Cameron got the axe. Politeness and civility cost nothing.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
Maybe after a referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?0 -
Politics is about screwing all around you. I had a strong debate with a grey suit in a political party. Next day, I was in the papers with a load of bollox written about me. I went to this grey suit, and he smiled and said "fun isn't it!" He then wrote to my association and said "look at these terrible stories" . It cost me £11,000 to clear my name. There is nothing civil about politics.RationalPlan said:
Well that is not the point. There was no need for the deliberate rudeness in the way she sacked so many people , often with leaking of the private conversation to really rub it in. It could have easily been , well it easily could have been put as 'you backed the wrong horse, alls fair in love and war' etc. It's time for a rest but I might call on you if we need your talents later etc etc, Instead it was all spit in the eye stuff and even quite minor players who were merely loyal to Cameron got the axe. Politeness and civility cost nothing.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.0
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I'm all for some secondary work. 12 days a quarter as an adviser or whatever, is not a big deal. But he's pushing it now.0
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Check out five-pensions Eck's extra-parliamentary earnings. At least the Tories get rid of their losers.malcolmg said:
arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.
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I presume you are talking about this from the perspective of a newspaper editor moonlighting as an MP, rather than the other way around? ;-)kle4 said:I'm all for some secondary work. 12 days a quarter as an adviser or whatever, is not a big deal. But he's pushing it now.
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Rob, I had to dig up my own turnips, no platters silver or otherwise for me.RobD said:
Nowhere near as lucky as you with your turnip on a platter upbringing.malcolmg said:
arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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I wouldn't agree to that. The voters expect it to be a full time job. Anyway wasn't Deedes an editor and a Cabinet Minister at the same time ?felix said:
Spot on. One of May's key errors from the start. He will be wasted at the Standard but otherwise no reason on earth why he shouldn't do the job. Being a MP is not really a full-time job. Never has been. If it was the Executive would be separate from the Legislature as in the US.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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Good afternoon.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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surbiton said:
She is rude and in the long run ineffective. I have very little sympathy for Osborne anyway. But Cameron will not have behaved that way.RationalPlan said:
Well that is not the point. There was no need for the deliberate rudeness in the way she sacked so many people , often with leaking of the private conversation to really rub it in. It could have easily been , well it easily could have been put as 'you backed the wrong horse, alls fair in love and war' etc. It's time for a rest but I might call on you if we need your talents later etc etc, Instead it was all spit in the eye stuff and even quite minor players who were merely loyal to Cameron got the axe. Politeness and civility cost nothing.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/06/david-cameron-drank-wine-spelman-to-old-reshuffe_n_1861087.html
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Dam the Thames at Rainham and see how far the water rises before they capitulate.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.
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its eeyore, get over it Monica , get a job , work hard and get your own pensions instead of fixating on others who have done it.MonikerDiCanio said:
Check out five-pensions Eck's extra-parliamentary earnings. At least the Tories get rid of their losers.malcolmg said:
arrogant idiot at that , both of them, totally wrong that these effete elite tos**** get handed top jobs purely on their silver spooned upbringingPatrick said:
Indeed. But talent needs to come tempered with good judgement. Ozzy got the national view and doing what is right badly wrong. So he had to go. Bit like that Bank of England lady. Super clever but an idiot.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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Vincenzo Scarpetta @LondonerVince 3h3 hours ago
New @istitutoixe poll from Italy. Combine Lega (€ exit), FdI (€ exit), 5-Star (€ referendum) and FI (parallel currency), and you get 57.8%.
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It's astonishing how quickly the little Englanders resort to ideas that African dictators would blush to contemplate.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Dam the Thames at Rainham and see how far the water rises before they capitulate.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.0 -
It is almost always a mistake to be impolite and ungracious when letting people go. Apart from the fact it's just downright cruel to be deliberately unkind to someone you are firing, you never know when you might need them again. Ozzy won't forget the way he was treated – May may come to regret her impertinence.RationalPlan said:
Well that is not the point. There was no need for the deliberate rudeness in the way she sacked so many people , often with leaking of the private conversation to really rub it in. It could have easily been , well it easily could have been put as 'you backed the wrong horse, alls fair in love and war' etc. It's time for a rest but I might call on you if we need your talents later etc etc, Instead it was all spit in the eye stuff and even quite minor players who were merely loyal to Cameron got the axe. Politeness and civility cost nothing.GIN1138 said:
Well I for one took tremendous pleasure at Osborne's "defenestration" and admire Theresa for doing it... Osborne being sent skulking out the back door was the highlight of Brexit in many ways.RationalPlan said:I'm sure Ms May is really glad she publicly humiliated George in the way she sacked him. I've no doubt the Standard will be a bastion of support for her Government.
I expect all the TV news shows will now cover the front cover of the standard every night to see what it's headlines are. In fact for Lebedev that might be worth the price alone in aking the Standard more relevant. If things go badly the Standard could be the the home of the non eurosceptics home in the next Tory civil war.
As to his work load, of course there will be an associate editor etc as well to do all the heavy lifting. It's not the point of the post. The point is to stem the tide of the Tory right and it gives a powerful base to do it from. Sure it's a London paper, but the media does not think anything exists outside London anyway. It's better than being elected London Mayor and provides a powerful platform against rivals. It has taken George remarkably little time to bounce back from his public defenestration. Well done. Oh Theresa you made so many enemies on your first day, when you really did not need to.0 -
I wonder how GO will be paid?0
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Afternoon....as I am sure you are aware, very quiet on the news front today.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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Yes. They have no right, and will never have the right.TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
London has been capital of England for over 1,000 years. You can't just run immigration at 600% above trend for 25 years, change the demographics of the capital, and then say - *there*: it's a global city now, the people living there want it, therefore.. goodbye, England.
It doesn't work that way. And to accept that it did would be to prove every argument
right about the damaging effects of mass immigration.
Voting geography can change far more easily and frequently than political geography, and we're heading down a very unhealthy road if we argue they are the same and one should drive the other. In fact, it's an interesting discussion: are there limits on the absolute right of self-determination of a people who happen to be living within a particular geographic boundary, no matter what their roots?
I'd say there are. This is one of them.0 -
Cash in hand.calum said:I wonder how GO will be paid?
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Mr Meeks, it was a joke.AlastairMeeks said:
It's astonishing how quickly the little Englanders resort to ideas that African dictators would blush to contemplate.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Dam the Thames at Rainham and see how far the water rises before they capitulate.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.
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No, he became Torygraph editor in 1974 having been a backbencher for 10 years.surbiton said:
I wouldn't agree to that. The voters expect it to be a full time job. Anyway wasn't Deedes an editor and a Cabinet Minister at the same time ?felix said:
Spot on. One of May's key errors from the start. He will be wasted at the Standard but otherwise no reason on earth why he shouldn't do the job. Being a MP is not really a full-time job. Never has been. If it was the Executive would be separate from the Legislature as in the US.DavidL said:This is quite a substantive job. I don't think that there is any chance George would have taken it if he thought that there was any chance of him being offered a senior post by the government in the near future. Which is a pity. There is a dearth of talent in our politics generally, not just in the Labour Party, and it is too valuable to waste like this.
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I hear Panama is lovely this time of year.calum said:I wonder how GO will be paid?
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I think that may have been a joke?AlastairMeeks said:
It's astonishing how quickly the little Englanders resort to ideas that African dictators would blush to contemplate.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Dam the Thames at Rainham and see how far the water rises before they capitulate.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.0 -
How could London possibly be independent from the rest of England when a huge % of London workers don't live there and a huge % of those who live there weren't born there? Who'd get a vote?MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Good Lord!Casino_Royale said:
London has no right to independence.Pulpstar said:
Yes, but those will flow anyway until someone gets serious about a London independence party. For now it is basically a hostage capital.TheScreamingEagles said:
They need London's tax revenues though.Pulpstar said:The interesting dynamic now is that the Tories don't need the support of London, politically speaking.
They can basically get a majority from provincial England and Wales............
It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
Colchester and Winchester say hello.
Say at the 2020 general election a majority of London MPs are from a London Independence Party, will you say they have no right to independence then?
Britain leaving the EU is awkward, but doable.
Scotland leaving Britain is much harder, but possible.
London leaving England is fantasy land.0
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