In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
I agree. The Six Nations this year has not tested us (Wales excepted). I would love to play a three-match series against NZ now. Imagine that.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.
There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.
If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.
He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.
Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.
Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.
What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.
When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
I agree. The Six Nations this year has not tested us (Wales excepted). I would love to play a three-match series against NZ now. Imagine that.
Mmm. Not sure about that. We haven't played well, we just have a very strong squad which has been able to edge close games in the last ten minutes....
until today, when suddenly they realised their potential again. Like they did most of last season.
Ireland could still be very problematic in Dublin.
Worldwise I've have England a close second behind the All Blacks. Oz a distant third.
We'll roll Ireland over next week I reckon. Win when we are crap. Win better we are good.
When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.
What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.
Yes, that's been England's problem since 2003 - too many bloody stupid penalties given away due to basic ill-discipline. The tail end of the France and Wales games showed that we're making progress, can knuckle down and grind out a result when it matters.
Can't wait for the Lions tour now, bring on the All Blacks!
Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.
He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.
Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.
Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia
No, they don't. If they did conference would have mandated different policies.
When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.
What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.
Yes, that's been England's problem since 2003 - too many bloody stupid penalties given away due to basic ill-discipline. The tail end of the France and Wales games showed that we're making progress, can knuckle down and grind out a result when it matters.
Can't wait for the Lions tour now, bring on the All Blacks!
I would rather England played NZ than the Lions TBH. But the tour should be good, nevertheless.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Which English nationalist party do you think she'd have joined ?
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
Not really, I edited Bojabob's comment for amusing effect, I don't go making abusive tweets and don't like those who do.
It was discussed at length on here yesterday, what happens when a right wing loudmouth and a left wing loudmouth start with the Twitter abuse and won't back down.
If that story doesn't reduce the Twitter abuse, then I'm not quite sure what will.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.
There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.
If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.
There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.
If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
Did HYUFD give his personal opinion there? It looked to me as though he is saying that there is no clear evidence, and I believe that is correct.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
Plenty of my old school friends really fucking hate Salmond, Sturgeon and the whole SNP. They say some fairly mean words about them on the Face books and the twitters.
The idea that this is false flag work is laughable.
Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
Plenty of my old school friends really fucking hate Salmond, Sturgeon and the whole SNP. They say some fairly mean words about them on the Face books and the twitters.
The idea that this is false flag work is laughable.
May elections will give a good insight into Scottish politics and I do not expect Nicola to commit to a referendum before she has seen the way the wind is blowing
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
I think Galloway is a busted flush, and he knows it - he's looking for a bit of publicity and maybe som influence on Labour candidate selection (which I don't thinkhe'll get).
Meanwhilr, there's still £19 available at 50 on Betfair for the Greens to come top in the Nertherlands election - according to the latest poll, they're just 4 seats behind. That might be an outlier, or it might presage a further surge, who knows? But at that price... (I put down £3 when it was 60).
I think Galloway is a busted flush, and he knows it - he's looking for a bit of publicity and maybe som influence on Labour candidate selection (which I don't thinkhe'll get).
Meanwhilr, there's still £19 available at 50 on Betfair for the Greens to come top in the Nertherlands election - according to the latest poll, they're just 4 seats behind. That might be an outlier, or it might presage a further surge, who knows? But at that price... (I put down £3 when it was 60).
GG really got under your skin when he damned your voting record on Iraq, didn't he.
Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.
There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.
If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
Did HYUFD give his personal opinion there? It looked to me as though he is saying that there is no clear evidence, and I believe that is correct.
Thank you. Plus I had no vote in 2014 when Scots voted for the Union by 10%
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.
He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.
Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.
Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia
No, they don't. If they did conference would have mandated different policies.
All the polling of Labour members has shown that as does the fact they have twice elected Corbyn leader on that platform
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Only when Blair led Labour, Galloway and Corbyn are more appealing to most Muslims than Farron
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
That does not stop them being pro business. Why do you think Salmond bowed to Trump in the past
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Which English nationalist party do you think she'd have joined ?
The SNP should rename itself the Scottish and Northern Party, create an English branch/partner and stand candidates North of Hull. Independence for Scotland, Devolution for Northern England, moderate patriotic social democracy for everyone.
It would increase Scottish bargaining power and give normal left leaning people someone to vote for
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
That does not stop them being pro business. Why do you think Salmond bowed to Trump in the past
Salmond had a weakness for rich men like Murdoch, Souter, Trump and Goodwin. Usually ending in tears. Sturgeon's anti business.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
They've worked with the Tories before to pass budgets.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
I think it means they're SDP. In Denmark and Sweden in the 20th.C. the SDP stayed continuously in power for 30 or even 40 years. Might the SDP, er sorry SNP, just put forward something similar?
They'd be content with being the largest party for years, if not a majority govt. They'd huff and puff about independence but never actually quite get there; the finances could be just a little awkward.
I can't see them being confident of victory unless a series of polls average about 55/45%. September 2014 was 55/45% but it was the wrong way round. A defeat could badly knock their reputation for competence.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Only when Blair led Labour, Galloway and Corbyn are more appealing to most Muslims than Farron
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Social Democrats rather than Socialists
I have heard Salmond himself saying he was a Socialist. This was when he was interviewed by Brian Taylor after he had resigned as SNP leader. I believe they were at University at the same time. Salmond was talking about the SNP in that interview.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
I think it means they're SDP. In Denmark and Sweden in the 20th.C. the SDP stayed continuously in power for 30 or even 40 years. Might the SDP, er sorry SNP, just put forward something similar?
They'd be content with being the largest party for years, if not a majority govt. They'd huff and puff about independence but never actually quite get there; the finances could be just a little awkward.
I can't see them being confident of victory unless a series of polls average about 55/45%. September 2014 was 55/45% but it was the wrong way round. A defeat could badly knock their reputation for competence.
The economics for indy now are horrendous. They were iffy in 2014, but with oil at $50 a barrel (in perpetuity, apparently) and Scotland's deficit near 10% - Jesus. Indy would be suicide. iScotland would default in months, or have to be bailed out, or impose tax hikes and spending cuts like Greece since 2008.
And that's ignoring the bank/currency issue.
Of course, that doesn't mean Scotland won't vote for it. Emotionally. But there must be some calmer Nats who know that this is NOT the time for indy, economically. Tricky choice.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.
For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.
For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
Better than Salmond for me
Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
Social Democrats rather than Socialists
I have heard Salmond himself saying he was a Socialist. This was when he was interviewed by Brian Taylor after he had resigned as SNP leader. I believe they were at University at the same time. Salmond was talking about the SNP in that interview.
His hashtag is #SexySocialDemocracy as opposed to the Angry Salmond #SexySocialism
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.
For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
The SNP should rename itself the Scottish and Northern Party, create an English branch/partner and stand candidates North of Hull. Independence for Scotland, Devolution for Northern England, moderate patriotic social democracy for everyone.
It would increase Scottish bargaining power and give normal left leaning people someone to vote for
A lot of the SNP's support loathes the English. The SNP itself isn't exactly wildly popular in England either (PB actually commissioned research which covered this point some months ago, IIRC. The SNP got net favourability of around zero amongst Remain voters, but was about as popular as the Black Death amongst Leavers, presumably including the ever-increasing proportion of voters that identify as "more English than British.")
If Scotland does vote for independence then the most satisfying aspect of the whole thing will be watching the conclusive death of the Left as a national force in the rest of the country. If Scotland were magically to secede tomorrow then the Tories would *already* have a Commons majority of 80, before going into a potential General Election with Corbyn as Leader of the Opposition.
Give the Tories another decade or two to shift the political centre further rightwards and, if Scotland leaves and takes its Nationalist bloc with it, nobody to the Left of Nick Clegg, let alone Tony Blair, is likely to become Prime Minister again in any of our lifetimes.
Labour systematically poisoned Scottish public opinion against Westminster's right to govern during the Eighties. It then made an Olympic gold medal winning fuck-up of designing the devolution settlement in the Nineties, and finally it returned third rate MSPs that allowed the Nats to run rings around them during the Noughties.
The destruction of Scottish Labour, and the potential loss of Scotland from the Union, are disasters principally of Labour's very own making - made all the more egregious by the fact that devolution was really only a self-interested party political ploy designed to benefit Labour in the first place. Labour was so smug, complacent, self-absorbed and stupid that it thought that it could rely on Scotland and Wales to keep returning Labour-dominated Governments forever, which would provide sinecure posts for Labour politicians and give the party bases of strength from which to harass future Tory Governments. Well, how's that working out for them, I wonder...?
Labour very largely originated in Scotland, and the end of the Union would rip its heart out and relegate socialism at Westminster to long-term, likely permanent, marginal status. And it would serve them bloody well right.
In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim
The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.
For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
And @danielmawbs then proves the overspill theory perfectly!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/840586323853529088
He has made Willie Rennie look like a statesman.
What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.
Can't wait for the Lions tour now, bring on the All Blacks!
https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse
All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
If that story doesn't reduce the Twitter abuse, then I'm not quite sure what will.
In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
The idea that this is false flag work is laughable.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552
(Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)
Meanwhilr, there's still £19 available at 50 on Betfair for the Greens to come top in the Nertherlands election - according to the latest poll, they're just 4 seats behind. That might be an outlier, or it might presage a further surge, who knows? But at that price... (I put down £3 when it was 60).
Independence for Scotland, Devolution for Northern England, moderate patriotic social democracy for everyone.
It would increase Scottish bargaining power and give normal left leaning people someone to vote for
Sturgeon's anti business.
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We just had a thread on a civil servant forming a government, when it comes to Corbyn there is a new benchmark in terms of crazy ideas.
And the rolling boulder was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I think.
Anyway, my eyes are going fuzzy, so I'm off.
They'd be content with being the largest party for years, if not a majority govt. They'd huff and puff about independence but never actually quite get there; the finances could be just a little awkward.
I can't see them being confident of victory unless a series of polls average about 55/45%. September 2014 was 55/45% but it was the wrong way round. A defeat could badly knock their reputation for competence.
-230 PVV
0 Any other party.
For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
If Scotland does vote for independence then the most satisfying aspect of the whole thing will be watching the conclusive death of the Left as a national force in the rest of the country. If Scotland were magically to secede tomorrow then the Tories would *already* have a Commons majority of 80, before going into a potential General Election with Corbyn as Leader of the Opposition.
Give the Tories another decade or two to shift the political centre further rightwards and, if Scotland leaves and takes its Nationalist bloc with it, nobody to the Left of Nick Clegg, let alone Tony Blair, is likely to become Prime Minister again in any of our lifetimes.
Labour systematically poisoned Scottish public opinion against Westminster's right to govern during the Eighties. It then made an Olympic gold medal winning fuck-up of designing the devolution settlement in the Nineties, and finally it returned third rate MSPs that allowed the Nats to run rings around them during the Noughties.
The destruction of Scottish Labour, and the potential loss of Scotland from the Union, are disasters principally of Labour's very own making - made all the more egregious by the fact that devolution was really only a self-interested party political ploy designed to benefit Labour in the first place. Labour was so smug, complacent, self-absorbed and stupid that it thought that it could rely on Scotland and Wales to keep returning Labour-dominated Governments forever, which would provide sinecure posts for Labour politicians and give the party bases of strength from which to harass future Tory Governments. Well, how's that working out for them, I wonder...?
Labour very largely originated in Scotland, and the end of the Union would rip its heart out and relegate socialism at Westminster to long-term, likely permanent, marginal status. And it would serve them bloody well right.