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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Quality. Fair play to her.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,008

    Now time for arsenal vs lincoln....

    Is there anyone at all supporting Arsenal for that one?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Now time for arsenal vs lincoln....

    Is there anyone at all supporting Arsenal for that one?
    Bookies? They must have taken loads of high priced bets on the non-league team to win this match.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    Now time for arsenal vs lincoln....

    Is there anyone at all supporting Arsenal for that one?
    I'd normally suggest Arsenal fans. But given their haste to get rid of Wenger, perhaps not.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Arsenal holding Lincoln presently ....
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    6 Nations – Well well well, on the bright side, they’ve still got Andy Murray....
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,707
    Today Jezza has achieved the impossible.

    He has made Willie Rennie look like a statesman.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Fuck me. All Blacks standard.

    When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
    Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
    I agree. The Six Nations this year has not tested us (Wales excepted). I would love to play a three-match series against NZ now. Imagine that.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    JackW said:

    Arsenal holding Lincoln presently ....

    It's normally the second half where arsenal like to concede 5 goals...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    Btw...No replay in fa cup ties in this round.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Bojabob said:

    Quality. Fair play to her.
    Good lord if you get your silly head any further up you'd be out of her throat. :)
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    surbiton said:

    Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.

    There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.

    If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
    There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Boooooooooo
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Arsenal holding Lincoln presently ....

    It's normally the second half where arsenal like to concede 5 goals...
    :smiley:
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155

    Bojabob said:

    Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.

    He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.

    Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.

    Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    felix said:

    Bojabob said:

    Quality. Fair play to her.
    Good lord if you get your silly head any further up you'd be out of her throat. :)
    She is sheer class. Sorry.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Fuck me. All Blacks standard.

    When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
    Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.

    Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.

    What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Boooooooooo

    I think Lincoln would take a 5:1 win ....
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Fuck me. All Blacks standard.

    When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
    Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.
    I agree. The Six Nations this year has not tested us (Wales excepted). I would love to play a three-match series against NZ now. Imagine that.
    Mmm. Not sure about that. We haven't played well, we just have a very strong squad which has been able to edge close games in the last ten minutes....

    until today, when suddenly they realised their potential again. Like they did most of last season.

    Ireland could still be very problematic in Dublin.

    Worldwise I've have England a close second behind the All Blacks. Oz a distant third.
    We'll roll Ireland over next week I reckon. Win when we are crap. Win better we are good.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    Somewhat harsh.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Fuck me. All Blacks standard.

    When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
    Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.

    Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.

    What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.

    Yes, that's been England's problem since 2003 - too many bloody stupid penalties given away due to basic ill-discipline. The tail end of the France and Wales games showed that we're making progress, can knuckle down and grind out a result when it matters.

    Can't wait for the Lions tour now, bring on the All Blacks!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    Remember England team for most of the six nations has been missing half their starters.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,132
    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    When your avatar was Liz Hurley, comments like that could come across as playful. It's not so easy to smile with Gove gurning back at you.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.

    He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.

    Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.

    Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia

    No, they don't. If they did conference would have mandated different policies.

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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    Bojabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Fuck me. All Blacks standard.

    When do we get to play them? The autumn? It was a shame we didn't get to play them last autumn.
    Dunno. But that was an All Blacks type display: the mix of forward muscle, flying backs, inner confidence and physical focus, and the sheer, relentless power.

    Lions in NZ this summer. Should be interesting.

    What All Blacks have is extraordinary discipline under pressure. They don't give away penalties. England were like that as they headed to World Cup win in 2003. That's what we don't know about this team yet.

    Yes, that's been England's problem since 2003 - too many bloody stupid penalties given away due to basic ill-discipline. The tail end of the France and Wales games showed that we're making progress, can knuckle down and grind out a result when it matters.

    Can't wait for the Lions tour now, bring on the All Blacks!
    I would rather England played NZ than the Lions TBH. But the tour should be good, nevertheless.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    Actually I think shes heading for a fall - the rule about all political careers applies in haggisville just the same as everywhere else.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    When your avatar was Liz Hurley, comments like that could come across as playful. It's not so easy to smile with Gove gurning back at you.
    Indeed. Bring back Liz.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Which English nationalist party do you think she'd have joined ?
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    When your avatar was Liz Hurley, comments like that could come across as playful. It's not so easy to smile with Gove gurning back at you.
    If I can source a photo of Gove in the nip holding a Union Jack cushion over his chest and grinning, would that remedy the situation?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    England Stupid penalities...Dan Cole !!!!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261
    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Essexit said:

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    When your avatar was Liz Hurley, comments like that could come across as playful. It's not so easy to smile with Gove gurning back at you.
    If I can source a photo of Gove in the nip holding a Union Jack cushion over his chest and grinning, would that remedy the situation?
    No.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,953
    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    She'd be a Corbynista.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Sean_F said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    She'd be a Corbynista.
    Absolutely no chance. She has too high an IQ.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Not really, I edited Bojabob's comment for amusing effect, I don't go making abusive tweets and don't like those who do.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
    Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited March 2017
    Essexit said:

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Not really, I edited Bojabob's comment for amusing effect, I don't go making abusive tweets and don't like those who do.
    It was discussed at length on here yesterday, what happens when a right wing loudmouth and a left wing loudmouth start with the Twitter abuse and won't back down.

    If that story doesn't reduce the Twitter abuse, then I'm not quite sure what will.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.

    There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.

    If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
    There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
    It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.

    There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.

    If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
    There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
    It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
    Did HYUFD give his personal opinion there? It looked to me as though he is saying that there is no clear evidence, and I believe that is correct.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    Scotland are a decent team. But they got utterly marmalised. England are - on form - scarily good now.

    I think you'll find we are shit.
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    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kle4 said:

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
    Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
    Plenty of my old school friends really fucking hate Salmond, Sturgeon and the whole SNP. They say some fairly mean words about them on the Face books and the twitters.

    The idea that this is false flag work is laughable.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,063
    edited March 2017
    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)
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    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Essexit said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born.
    Fixed it!
    You'll approve of the contributors here.

    https://twitter.com/SturgeonAbuse

    All a bit of lighthearted banter of course.
    Mainly written by Nats to elicit sympathy for Sturgeon would be my guess. They don't ring true.
    Never underestimate the willingness of even people you agree with being horrible sh*ts. When I see abuse directed at any political figure, from any side, I have no doubt odds are it is genuine.
    Plenty of my old school friends really fucking hate Salmond, Sturgeon and the whole SNP. They say some fairly mean words about them on the Face books and the twitters.

    The idea that this is false flag work is laughable.
    May elections will give a good insight into Scottish politics and I do not expect Nicola to commit to a referendum before she has seen the way the wind is blowing
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,365
    I think Galloway is a busted flush, and he knows it - he's looking for a bit of publicity and maybe som influence on Labour candidate selection (which I don't thinkhe'll get).

    Meanwhilr, there's still £19 available at 50 on Betfair for the Greens to come top in the Nertherlands election - according to the latest poll, they're just 4 seats behind. That might be an outlier, or it might presage a further surge, who knows? But at that price... (I put down £3 when it was 60).
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
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    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    Bit like Northern Ireland - keep having elections till someone realises a Country has to be run by someone
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    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    Bit like Northern Ireland - keep having elections till someone realises a Country has to be run by someone
    Though not if it is Corbyn !!
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    I think Galloway is a busted flush, and he knows it - he's looking for a bit of publicity and maybe som influence on Labour candidate selection (which I don't thinkhe'll get).

    Meanwhilr, there's still £19 available at 50 on Betfair for the Greens to come top in the Nertherlands election - according to the latest poll, they're just 4 seats behind. That might be an outlier, or it might presage a further surge, who knows? But at that price... (I put down £3 when it was 60).

    GG really got under your skin when he damned your voting record on Iraq, didn't he.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    Mr. Surbiton, you do realise that it's not even a decade ago that we had a Scottish PM and Chancellor? That's hardly the epitome of slavery.

    There is no God given rule that Scotland should be part of an England dominated, 9/10, country. For most of history Scotland was separate.

    If the Scottish people want that, that is what they should have.
    There is no clear evidence the Scots do want that and they have rejected it once and we have been united as a nation for 3 centuries and under 1 monarch for 4 long before the EEC ever existed
    It is their business whether you like it or not. You are NOT that important.
    Did HYUFD give his personal opinion there? It looked to me as though he is saying that there is no clear evidence, and I believe that is correct.
    Thank you. Plus I had no vote in 2014 when Scots voted for the Union by 10%
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Social Democrats rather than Socialists
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.

    He has totally undermined the Scottish Labour party. That is unforgiveable. Whatever his private thoughts, a leader has wider obligations.

    Is there a Labour policy Corbyn actually agrees with? On top of today's mess, he's anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Trident, anti-Israel.

    Most Labour members agree with that apart from the EU (and he reluctantly backed Remain) even if Blairites don't and as a socialist republican I doubt Corbyn cares less about the union what he wants is a global socialist utopia

    No, they don't. If they did conference would have mandated different policies.

    All the polling of Labour members has shown that as does the fact they have twice elected Corbyn leader on that platform
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,155
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Only when Blair led Labour, Galloway and Corbyn are more appealing to most Muslims than Farron
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    Yorkcity said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
    That does not stop them being pro business. Why do you think Salmond bowed to Trump in the past
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,015
    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    And we think we have a divided politics!
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Which English nationalist party do you think she'd have joined ?
    The SNP should rename itself the Scottish and Northern Party, create an English branch/partner and stand candidates North of Hull.
    Independence for Scotland, Devolution for Northern England, moderate patriotic social democracy for everyone.

    It would increase Scottish bargaining power and give normal left leaning people someone to vote for
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Freggles, that's an idea crazier than the Fourth Crusade.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Yorkcity said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
    That does not stop them being pro business. Why do you think Salmond bowed to Trump in the past
    Salmond had a weakness for rich men like Murdoch, Souter, Trump and Goodwin. Usually ending in tears.
    Sturgeon's anti business.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,421
    edited March 2017
    LEAVE 61
    REMAIN 21

    :innocent:
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Mr. Freggles, that's an idea crazier than the Fourth Crusade.

    Was that The Last Crusade? With Salmond as the rolling boulder?

    We just had a thread on a civil servant forming a government, when it comes to Corbyn there is a new benchmark in terms of crazy ideas.



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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Yorkcity said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    They are against Trident Brexit and they never side with Tories.
    They've worked with the Tories before to pass budgets.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,421
    Salmond was caught trainspotting today - he was visiting the Nationalist Railway Museum :lol:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Freggles, no, there were quite a few more after, not even counting the ones against Cathars or the pagan Baltic.

    And the rolling boulder was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I think.

    Anyway, my eyes are going fuzzy, so I'm off.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,421

    Mr. Freggles, no, there were quite a few more after, not even counting the ones against Cathars or the pagan Baltic.

    And the rolling boulder was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, I think.

    Anyway, my eyes are going fuzzy, so I'm off.

    Definitely Raiders, Mr Dancer!
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    I think it means they're SDP. In Denmark and Sweden in the 20th.C. the SDP stayed continuously in power for 30 or even 40 years. Might the SDP, er sorry SNP, just put forward something similar?

    They'd be content with being the largest party for years, if not a majority govt. They'd huff and puff about independence but never actually quite get there; the finances could be just a little awkward.

    I can't see them being confident of victory unless a series of polls average about 55/45%. September 2014 was 55/45% but it was the wrong way round. A defeat could badly knock their reputation for competence.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,993
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    +250 VVD
    -230 PVV
    0 Any other party.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Crazy idea number 2: Ed Miliband is a lot funnier and more interesting now, could he take over as caretaker leader for 2020?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,993
    Freggles said:

    Crazy idea number 2: Ed Miliband is a lot funnier and more interesting now, could he take over as caretaker leader for 2020?

    A splendid idea :>
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,421
    Freggles said:

    Crazy idea number 2: Ed Miliband is a lot funnier and more interesting now, could he take over as caretaker leader for 2020?

    Tim Farron makes Ed Miliband look Churchillian :lol:
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Freggles said:

    Crazy idea number 2: Ed Miliband is a lot funnier and more interesting now, could he take over as caretaker leader for 2020?

    My 200/1 bet says yes please.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, I'd only bet against Labour on a trading basis.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Only when Blair led Labour, Galloway and Corbyn are more appealing to most Muslims than Farron
    Don't be so sure.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Social Democrats rather than Socialists
    I have heard Salmond himself saying he was a Socialist. This was when he was interviewed by Brian Taylor after he had resigned as SNP leader. I believe they were at University at the same time. Salmond was talking about the SNP in that interview.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    slade said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
    Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,347

    Freggles said:

    Crazy idea number 2: Ed Miliband is a lot funnier and more interesting now, could he take over as caretaker leader for 2020?

    My 200/1 bet says yes please.
    I have chosen Harriet on this logic.
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    CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    And we think we have a divided politics!
    With the Tories on 44% with a 19% lead... arguably we don't... ;)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,063
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Not at all - they are very pro business but have a social agenda at the same time. That is why they are so popular as there is something for everyone. The only issue that will cause a fracture is an Independence referendum that could tear Scotland apart with neither side certain of victory
    I think it means they're SDP. In Denmark and Sweden in the 20th.C. the SDP stayed continuously in power for 30 or even 40 years. Might the SDP, er sorry SNP, just put forward something similar?

    They'd be content with being the largest party for years, if not a majority govt. They'd huff and puff about independence but never actually quite get there; the finances could be just a little awkward.

    I can't see them being confident of victory unless a series of polls average about 55/45%. September 2014 was 55/45% but it was the wrong way round. A defeat could badly knock their reputation for competence.
    The economics for indy now are horrendous. They were iffy in 2014, but with oil at $50 a barrel (in perpetuity, apparently) and Scotland's deficit near 10% - Jesus. Indy would be suicide. iScotland would default in months, or have to be bailed out, or impose tax hikes and spending cuts like Greece since 2008.

    And that's ignoring the bank/currency issue.

    Of course, that doesn't mean Scotland won't vote for it. Emotionally. But there must be some calmer Nats who know that this is NOT the time for indy, economically. Tricky choice.

    $150, not $50
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    surbiton said:

    slade said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
    Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
    Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.

    For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    PeterC said:

    Bojabob said:

    Scots ref: possibly the only time I have ever agreed with Jezza Corbyn. Of course, it's fine. And Scotland should vote Yes.

    Your posts suggest you think that BREXIT is bonkers. BREXIT is a walk in the park compared to Scottish independence.
    Well said!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    slade said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
    Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
    Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.

    For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
    The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    +250 VVD
    -230 PVV
    0 Any other party.
    What could that mean? And which is Geert Wilders party?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Dixie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    +250 VVD
    -230 PVV
    0 Any other party.
    What could that mean? And which is Geert Wilders party?
    That's Pulpstar's profit/loss on the different outcomes. Wilders is PVV.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    Bojabob said:

    HYUFD said:
    One of the great political tragedies of our time is that Nicola Sturgeon was born Scottish. Imagine if she'd be born to a struggling Geordie couple, or a semi-posh pair of Didbury lefties. A class act.
    Better than Salmond for me
    Yes. Salmond raised the game. But I think Sturgeon is more calculating. They are both Socialists.
    Social Democrats rather than Socialists
    I have heard Salmond himself saying he was a Socialist. This was when he was interviewed by Brian Taylor after he had resigned as SNP leader. I believe they were at University at the same time. Salmond was talking about the SNP in that interview.
    His hashtag is #SexySocialDemocracy as opposed to the Angry Salmond #SexySocialism
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    RobD said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    slade said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
    Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
    Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.

    For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
    The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
    But I eat babyies and I'm a kipper!

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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Freggles said:

    The SNP should rename itself the Scottish and Northern Party, create an English branch/partner and stand candidates North of Hull.
    Independence for Scotland, Devolution for Northern England, moderate patriotic social democracy for everyone.

    It would increase Scottish bargaining power and give normal left leaning people someone to vote for

    A lot of the SNP's support loathes the English. The SNP itself isn't exactly wildly popular in England either (PB actually commissioned research which covered this point some months ago, IIRC. The SNP got net favourability of around zero amongst Remain voters, but was about as popular as the Black Death amongst Leavers, presumably including the ever-increasing proportion of voters that identify as "more English than British.")

    If Scotland does vote for independence then the most satisfying aspect of the whole thing will be watching the conclusive death of the Left as a national force in the rest of the country. If Scotland were magically to secede tomorrow then the Tories would *already* have a Commons majority of 80, before going into a potential General Election with Corbyn as Leader of the Opposition.

    Give the Tories another decade or two to shift the political centre further rightwards and, if Scotland leaves and takes its Nationalist bloc with it, nobody to the Left of Nick Clegg, let alone Tony Blair, is likely to become Prime Minister again in any of our lifetimes.

    Labour systematically poisoned Scottish public opinion against Westminster's right to govern during the Eighties. It then made an Olympic gold medal winning fuck-up of designing the devolution settlement in the Nineties, and finally it returned third rate MSPs that allowed the Nats to run rings around them during the Noughties.

    The destruction of Scottish Labour, and the potential loss of Scotland from the Union, are disasters principally of Labour's very own making - made all the more egregious by the fact that devolution was really only a self-interested party political ploy designed to benefit Labour in the first place. Labour was so smug, complacent, self-absorbed and stupid that it thought that it could rely on Scotland and Wales to keep returning Labour-dominated Governments forever, which would provide sinecure posts for Labour politicians and give the party bases of strength from which to harass future Tory Governments. Well, how's that working out for them, I wonder...?

    Labour very largely originated in Scotland, and the end of the Union would rip its heart out and relegate socialism at Westminster to long-term, likely permanent, marginal status. And it would serve them bloody well right.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,993
    Dixie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Today's Dutch poll. It really is anyone's.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/840579968782487552

    (Eight parties are within a narrow eight percent band.)

    Bloody hell! The election's this week, how on Earth are they supposed to sort it out if that's the result?
    +250 VVD
    -230 PVV
    0 Any other party.
    What could that mean? And which is Geert Wilders party?
    PVV. I've bet against the PVV and on the VVD to produce a zero result on Nick's greens for instance.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    GeoffM said:

    surbiton said:

    slade said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    HYUFD said:

    In a 4 way fight between Galloway, Labour, the LDs and Greens he has a chamce of winning, especially given over a quarter of voters are Muslim

    The Liberal Democrats will win anyway. The smart thing will be to have a pro EU progressive Muslim candidate. Even better, a woman. Solves their women deficit too.
    I doubt it, the seat is full of students and Muslims ie Corbyn and Galloway territory, not wealthy social democrats where they are doing best
    Muslims have voted heavily for LD in the past. You don't have to go too far back - 2005.

    In fact, Brexit [ students ] and Muslims could give the yellows their victory provided they get a candidate both could support.
    Muslim disgust with Blair rather than any liking for the LDs. As things stand Labour's core vote is the Muslim community.
    In my experience the Muslim vote is a clientalist vote. It will be directed by community leaders to where the best pay-off is.
    Yeah. That is how TSE votes.
    Just because certain groups vote predominately one way that doesn't imply 100% exclusivity.

    For example, not 100% of idiots vote LibDem. There's an overspill into Labour too.
    The Tories do have the baby-eater vote wrapped up pretty nicely though!
    And @danielmawbs then proves the overspill theory perfectly!
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