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CarlottaVance said:

The UK would be unable to uphold its security guarantees in Nato if those being protected were engaged in a vicious war against British livelihoods.

Remind me which country withdrew their forces from NATO soon after the UK was vetoed from entering the EEC in the first place?

SeanT said:

williamglenn said:

kle4 said:

CarlottaVance said:

I don't expect the Remoaners will enjoy this:

The UK played and plays a unique role in the system. It is not in any meaningful sense “equal” to the other states of the “club” that it is leaving. Over the past three centuries – from the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, through the 18th-century European balance of power, the Treaty of Vienna in 1815, the Versailles Treaty of 1919, to the 1945 settlement and beyond – Britain has been central to the European order, far more than any other power. This remains true today, because the EU depends entirely on Nato, of which Britain is the dominant European member, for its security.

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/03/world-after-brexit

Blimey that's a long piece. Well written, acknowledging some of the difficulties we face but seems optimistic. I hope it is right about our opportunities and the state of our union long term.

He wins a trolling prize for this sentence:

The EU may be a club and it can make whatever rules it likes, but it should never forget that the Anglo-Americans own the freehold of the property on which the club is built.

On the whole a fanciful article based on a misreading of Trump combined with a rose-tinted view of the UK. The author clearly longs for the days when men, born in Dublin, like him could stand up at the despatch box and send gunboats to China.

The commenter clearly longs for the days when dribbling imbeciles, born in England, like him, could stand in the central square of Antwerp with his Morrisons own-range underpants on his head and say "I am a European"

Touché.

isam said:

SeanT said:

Stark_Dawning said:

SeanT said:

FPT

Surely the main takeaway from the Singapore Deportation case is not the ins and outs of her sad story (mistake? Stupidity? Mendacity? all three?) but the fake spin placed on it, especially by leftwing media. Starting with Buzzfeed, then Channel 4 News, The Indy, all reported she'd been "living in Britain for nearly 30 years."

This was a complete and outright lie, but it is this which made the story seem so shocking and outrageous, and which made it go viral.

It is a classic piece of Fake News. Make up some story which people WANT to believe is true: as it makes them feel righteously outraged. By the time reality emerges, no one notices.

Both the Left and Right are guilty of this, the internet amplifies it enormously, and everyone suffers, in the end.

Good point. It might be my imagination, but I've thought that The Guardian has been a lot more punctilious in recent months - even, say, pieces not likely to portray Trump in a good light, have contained caveats and efforts to avoid lazy ambiguities. Perhaps they realize that the situation is becoming serious, and that it's vital to describe the facts as they are, not as they or their readership would prefer them to be. This is imperative: if the pernicious 'false news' meme spreads to absolutely everything, then the very concept of truth itself will be in jeopardy. Chaos would ensue.

Absolutely. The Guardian is actually getting better. This case is an example: their headline was "woman married to Brit for 27 years is deported" etc etc. Which is clearly emotive, but also factually correct.

They didn't go the Buzzfeed, Indy route.

The most alarming example of Fake News in this case is perhaps Channel 4 news. Their headline is from two days ago. They don't even have the excuse of making a mistake as a story was just emerging. It was already known weeks ago that she'd spent most of the last 30 years in Singapore.

Yet they still went with the Fake News clickbaity bullshit. And this from a news company which prides itself on "fact-checking".

Doesn't this fake news nonsense show there will always be a place for quality journalists?

Or even people who think? When this story first came out among the tut-tutting and hand wringing there were several on here who pointed out that we'd only had one side of the story (and a false one at that) and 'there was probably more to it'....

MTimT said:

Sometimes ambition bites. I wonder whether any action would be underway against the Fillons had he not chosen to run for the Presidency.

You're clearly new to French politics if you have any doubt on that point!

TheScreamingEagles said:

Allah bless Fillon and the French

Today has been epic on a betting front.

Though it was like pining a tail on a donkey at times.

More like riding a bucking bronco.

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

The UK would be unable to uphold its security guarantees in Nato if those being protected were engaged in a vicious war against British livelihoods.

Remind me which country withdrew their forces from NATO soon after the UK was vetoed from entering the EEC in the first place?

The same one that came crawling back 43 years later?

CarlottaVance said:

isam said:

SeanT said:

Stark_Dawning said:

SeanT said:

FPT

Surely the main takeaway from the Singapore Deportation case is not the ins and outs of her sad story (mistake? Stupidity? Mendacity? all three?) but the fake spin placed on it, especially by leftwing media. Starting with Buzzfeed, then Channel 4 News, The Indy, all reported she'd been "living in Britain for nearly 30 years."

This was a complete and outright lie, but it is this which made the story seem so shocking and outrageous, and which made it go viral.

It is a classic piece of Fake News. Make up some story which people WANT to believe is true: as it makes them feel righteously outraged. By the time reality emerges, no one notices.

Both the Left and Right are guilty of this, the internet amplifies it enormously, and everyone suffers, in the end.

Good point. It might be my imagination, but I've thought that The Guardian has been a lot more punctilious in recent months - even, say, pieces not likely to portray Trump in a good light, have contained caveats and efforts to avoid lazy ambiguities. Perhaps they realize that the situation is becoming serious, and that it's vital to describe the facts as they are, not as they or their readership would prefer them to be. This is imperative: if the pernicious 'false news' meme spreads to absolutely everything, then the very concept of truth itself will be in jeopardy. Chaos would ensue.

Absolutely. The Guardian is actually getting better. This case is an example: their headline was "woman married to Brit for 27 years is deported" etc etc. Which is clearly emotive, but also factually correct.

They didn't go the Buzzfeed, Indy route.

The most alarming example of Fake News in this case is perhaps Channel 4 news. Their headline is from two days ago. They don't even have the excuse of making a mistake as a story was just emerging. It was already known weeks ago that she'd spent most of the last 30 years in Singapore.

Yet they still went with the Fake News clickbaity bullshit. And this from a news company which prides itself on "fact-checking".

Doesn't this fake news nonsense show there will always be a place for quality journalists?

Or even people who think? When this story first came out among the tut-tutting and hand wringing there were several on here who pointed out that we'd only had one side of the story (and a false one at that) and 'there was probably more to it'....

Posters who link to fake news should be sin binned!

SeanT said:

My schoolboy French is just good enough to see how quietly lethal this is.

https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/836932205926580228

Sounds like un homme sérieux.

SeanT said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

SeanT said:

https://twitter.com/NourHammoury/status/836927475556970496

Yes, and for a precise and devastating reason: that Fillon had previously promised he'd withdraw if a formal examination of his case was initiated. I agree with you that Fillon's position looks very precarious, notwithstanding his bluster this morning.

Yes, I think he probably have to withdraw, because who would want to be closely associated with such a tainted candidate? Who will eagerly join his team, make his case, give him money?

Fillon has lied to his inner circle. He would clearly have no problem standing in front of the French people and telling them a great big bare-faced lie.

Should make him a shoo-in...

SeanT said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

SeanT said:

https://twitter.com/NourHammoury/status/836927475556970496

Yes, and for a precise and devastating reason: that Fillon had previously promised he'd withdraw if a formal examination of his case was initiated. I agree with you that Fillon's position looks very precarious, notwithstanding his bluster this morning.

Yes, I think he probably have to withdraw, because who would want to be closely associated with such a tainted candidate? Who will eagerly join his team, make his case, give him money?

Also it would be a disaster for LR if it got close to the vote, say mid-April and the media saw him being helping into the back of a police van in handcuffs. No time to select, let alone promote a new candidate.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I do feel sorry for the non French speaking punters though.

(Gallic shrug of the shoulders) Tant pis pour eux!

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

I don't expect the Remoaners will enjoy this:

The UK played and plays a unique role in the system. It is not in any meaningful sense “equal” to the other states of the “club” that it is leaving. Over the past three centuries – from the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, through the 18th-century European balance of power, the Treaty of Vienna in 1815, the Versailles Treaty of 1919, to the 1945 settlement and beyond – Britain has been central to the European order, far more than any other power. This remains true today, because the EU depends entirely on Nato, of which Britain is the dominant European member, for its security.

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/03/world-after-brexit

It's a valid argument up to a point. The security card is one the UK can play with the EU. It ignores the fact the UK is dependent on the EU to a much greater extent for its economic well-being. We're divorcing the EU (and incidentally it's unusual to describe your divorce as "a success" - "a relief" maybe) but we're still sharing the house (or more precisely a continent). We have just one room in that house while the EU is spread out over the remaining three floors. We have to negotiate access to the bathroom and kitchen when we could just walk in before.

Which is my big issue with Brexit.

Your illustration does invite the idea that if they don't allow us in, we will just crap in their hallways and piss through their letterboxes....

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I do feel sorry for the non French speaking punters though.

(Gallic shrug of the shoulders) Tant pis pour eux!

Well if MPL wins it wont be long before AdiEU

FF43 said:

SeanT said:

My schoolboy French is just good enough to see how quietly lethal this is.

https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/836932205926580228

Will benefit both Me Pen and Macron in the first round I think. Question whether it will also boost le Pen in the second round if Macron gets through. Certainly will if Fillon surprisingly makes it.

LE Pen has name recognition AND is aloof from the murk. Good position to be in.

and for good measure some idiots think it's the right time to try and indict her for being unkind to ISIS, I am not sure that is going to reduce her voter appeal in the slightest.

MarqueeMark said:

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

I don't expect the Remoaners will enjoy this:

The UK played and plays a unique role in the system. It is not in any meaningful sense “equal” to the other states of the “club” that it is leaving. Over the past three centuries – from the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, through the 18th-century European balance of power, the Treaty of Vienna in 1815, the Versailles Treaty of 1919, to the 1945 settlement and beyond – Britain has been central to the European order, far more than any other power. This remains true today, because the EU depends entirely on Nato, of which Britain is the dominant European member, for its security.

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/03/world-after-brexit

It's a valid argument up to a point. The security card is one the UK can play with the EU. It ignores the fact the UK is dependent on the EU to a much greater extent for its economic well-being. We're divorcing the EU (and incidentally it's unusual to describe your divorce as "a success" - "a relief" maybe) but we're still sharing the house (or more precisely a continent). We have just one room in that house while the EU is spread out over the remaining three floors. We have to negotiate access to the bathroom and kitchen when we could just walk in before.

Which is my big issue with Brexit.

Your illustration does invite the idea that if they don't allow us in, we will just crap in their hallways and piss through their letterboxes....

I didn't think we could stretch the metaphor that far. Actually the Article 50 negotiations will to some extent revolve around that imo. I expect a deal where we can only use the bathroom twice a day when no-one else is using it. And don't switch on the heating.

FPT TSE/David Evershed. All things French....

Thanks for the clip of Carla Bruni. I didn't realize how similar she was to the great Francoise Hardy but without the voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aLoezucIzk

SeanT said:

This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.

/twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569

At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.

REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bonne après-midi tout le monde

To move on from matters French to more bread and butter issues:

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2017/02/cipfa-and-ifg-issue-pre-budget-warning-over-public-service-sustainability?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=

Interesting piece from CIPFA and the Institute for Government. It is all about "crisis, cash, repeat" it seems. The debate on adequate long term funding of adult social care is shut down almost at once by the Daily Mail but that achieves nothing.

I've heard suggestions of differential NI rates based on age and the Thatcherite argument that everyone should be personally responsible for adequate provision for their post-working life but a growing ageing population impacts on so many levels - the provision of appropriate and adequate housing, transport, general health facilities, social opportunities etc.

Are we as a country considering how to deal with the rising elderly population over the next 20-30 years - clearly not, if we can't agree on some basics.

ThreeQuidder said:

Macron odds-on on Betfair.
Dupont-Aignan in to 300/420, if people could continue to back him that would be great, ta.

I have £2 on M. D-A. I don't expect it to win, but I must admit to finding him a lot palatable candidate than MLP.

CarlottaVance said:

kle4 said:

CarlottaVance said:

I don't expect the Remoaners will enjoy this:

The UK played and plays a unique role in the system. It is not in any meaningful sense “equal” to the other states of the “club” that it is leaving. Over the past three centuries – from the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, through the 18th-century European balance of power, the Treaty of Vienna in 1815, the Versailles Treaty of 1919, to the 1945 settlement and beyond – Britain has been central to the European order, far more than any other power. This remains true today, because the EU depends entirely on Nato, of which Britain is the dominant European member, for its security.

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/03/world-after-brexit

Blimey that's a long piece. Well written, acknowledging some of the difficulties we face but seems optimistic. I hope it is right about our opportunities and the state of our union long term.

On trade, the EU would at first have the upper hand; indeed, a trade war is just about the only thing that Brussels can wage effectively.

Perhaps we could call it the Continental System? After all that worked really well.

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

Roger said:

FPT TSE/David Evershed. All things French....

Thanks for the clip of Carla Bruni. I didn't realize how similar she was to the great Francoise Hardy but without the voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aLoezucIzk

Ms Hardy is one of my all times favs! Simply lovely voice

Well today was a good day to be in meetings and miss the betting fun! I never did understand the French, and I still don't.

AlastairMeeks said:

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

I have not made a single comment about this, but I do just observe that you were jumping up and down about criticism of judges and those doing it showing no respect for the rule of law. And yet here you are, criticising those who support the rule of law.

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

I have not made a single comment about this, but I do just observe that you were jumping up and down about criticism of judges and those doing it showing no respect for the rule of law. And yet here you are, criticising those who support the rule of law.

No, I'm criticising people who don't understand what the rule of law is. There is nothing in the rule of law that prevented the exercise of discretion on this woman's behalf.

AlastairMeeks said:

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold.

LEAVE 494
REMAIN 122

Much as I bang on about "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" ( it makes the points that SeanT links to on here, but was written in 2009) I am such a crap reader that I am only on p226 after a year!

But, as I am here, p226 contains the line

"The researchers Tariq Modood and Richard Bethoud have shown that only 1% of British Bangladeshis and Pakistanis have white partners, vs 20% of Afro Caribbeans"

Some on here dispute this is a measure of integration, but those are the stats

dr_spyn said:

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/836931880515686401

POJWAS.

So he does live in somewhere close to reality then.

surbiton said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold.

LEAVE 494
REMAIN 122

If there was a poll today, you will find that Remain has edged ahead.

The figures I quote were from a recent vote among MPs

Good afternoon, everyone.

SeanT said:

Roger said:

SeanT said:

This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569

At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.

If you've even been no further than Coconut Grove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.

So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their previously ultra-safe, ultra-liberal country are being turned into dangerous American suburbs (even without US gun laws), by the idiotic mass importation of immigrants.

Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.

Trump was right.

Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html

That'll be 'honest' Katie Hopkins.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-4046558/The-Mahmood-family-apology.html

surbiton said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold.

LEAVE 494
REMAIN 122

If there was a poll today, you will find that Remain has edged ahead.

Nope. We saw the tracking poll a few days ago. It hasn't moved out of the margin of error since the referendum.

Roger said:

SeanT said:

Roger said:

SeanT said:

This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569

At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.

If you've even been no further than Coconut Grove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.

So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their previously ultra-safe, ultra-liberal country are being turned into dangerous American suburbs (even without US gun laws), by the idiotic mass importation of immigrants.

Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.

Trump was right.

Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html

That'll be 'honest' Katie Hopkins.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-4046558/The-Mahmood-family-apology.html

Oh! If a PBer posts fake news now, are to dismiss everything they say as unfounded bullshit?? That WOULD be fun!

isam said:

How come these chaps got legal aid to appeal against deportation and the lady from Singapore didn't?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/senior-judge-slams-lawyers-obstructing-rochdale-child-sex-grooming/

Because they're British? And for what ever reason, Mrs Clennell chose to remain Singaporean.

Her appear rights ran out in mid-2014 so the Border Force has hardly been precipitous in deporting her.

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

I have not made a single comment about this, but I do just observe that you were jumping up and down about criticism of judges and those doing it showing no respect for the rule of law. And yet here you are, criticising those who support the rule of law.

No, I'm criticising people who don't understand what the rule of law is. There is nothing in the rule of law that prevented the exercise of discretion on this woman's behalf.

Read the case. She was given endless discretion. She overstayed visas for years, she was warned she might get deported several times, on and on.

She could be a liar, she could just be dim, it is possible to feel sorry for her (as I do), but when you examine the timeline she was fortunate not to have been thrown out before, and never allowed to return.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you. This is just another of your Brexit spaz-outs, metastasizing, tediously.

Advice. Shove off to your beloved Hungary, and do us all a favour, before your lovely leader Orban closes the border to homosexuals as well as Muslims.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/09/hungary-slammed-after-blocking-europe-wide-agreement-on-lgbt-rights/

Coda.

There may well be a case for exercising discretion in her favour.

But, it's hard to argue that the immigration authorities have acted badly in this case, any more than a court bailiff is acting badly when he turns up to evict a tenant who has a possession order made against him.

They may or may not have acted badly, but the purported en masse joy of loonies at seeing her deported is certainly not what I recall even from those who see no issue with the lack of exercise of discretion.

I've always said there was something fishy about Nicola Sturgeon

CarlottaVance said:

isam said:

How come these chaps got legal aid to appeal against deportation and the lady from Singapore didn't?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/senior-judge-slams-lawyers-obstructing-rochdale-child-sex-grooming/

Because they're British? And for what ever reason, Mrs Clennell chose to remain Singaporean.

Her appear rights ran out in mid-2014 so the Border Force has hardly been precipitous in deporting her.

Oh are they, sorry my fault

CarlottaVance said:

If they'd won, why would they be calling names?

Yes, why did the "winners" need to come up with names for those who have not drunk the Brexit Kool-Aid?

kle4 said:

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

I have not made a single comment about this, but I do just observe that you were jumping up and down about criticism of judges and those doing it showing no respect for the rule of law. And yet here you are, criticising those who support the rule of law.

No, I'm criticising people who don't understand what the rule of law is. There is nothing in the rule of law that prevented the exercise of discretion on this woman's behalf.

Read the case. She was given endless discretion. She overstayed visas for years, she was warned she might get deported several times, on and on.

She could be a liar, she could just be dim, it is possible to feel sorry for her (as I do), but when you examine the timeline she was fortunate not to have been thrown out before, and never allowed to return.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you. This is just another of your Brexit spaz-outs, metastasizing, tediously.

Advice. Shove off to your beloved Hungary, and do us all a favour, before your lovely leader Orban closes the border to homosexuals as well as Muslims.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/09/hungary-slammed-after-blocking-europe-wide-agreement-on-lgbt-rights/

Coda.

There may well be a case for exercising discretion in her favour.

But, it's hard to argue that the immigration authorities have acted badly in this case, any more than a court bailiff is acting badly when he turns up to evict a tenant who has a possession order made against him.

the purported en masse joy of loonies at seeing her deported is certainly not what I recall even from those who see no issue with the lack of exercise of discretion.

Bad loser losing argument badly.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've always said there was something fishy about Nicola Sturgeon

Salmond Fishing in the Yemen?

Charles said:

Roger said:

FPT TSE/David Evershed. All things French....

Thanks for the clip of Carla Bruni. I didn't realize how similar she was to the great Francoise Hardy but without the voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aLoezucIzk

Ms Hardy is one of my all times favs! Simply lovely voice

Un pays de collaborateurs.

Imagine the song in German.

kle4 said:

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

MarqueeMark said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Mortimer said:

Indeed. I seem to remember much hand wringing from Meeks.

Incidentally, any sign of MarkSenior since the by-elections?

If you can find a single quote of mine that refers to her living in Britain for 30 years, I'd be much obliged.

The whataboutery from the loony Leaver callous cretins has been something to behold. The delight with which they want to deport a woman who has a husband of 27 years, children and a grandchild in Britain is educational if not edifying.

I have not made a single comment about this, but I do just observe that you were jumping up and down about criticism of judges and those doing it showing no respect for the rule of law. And yet here you are, criticising those who support the rule of law.

No, I'm criticising people who don't understand what the rule of law is. There is nothing in the rule of law that prevented the exercise of discretion on this woman's behalf.

Read the case. She was given endless discretion. She overstayed visas for years, she was warned she might get deported several times, on and on.

She could be a liar, she could just be dim, it is possible to feel sorry for her (as I do), but when you examine the timeline she was fortunate not to have been thrown out before, and never allowed to return.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you. This is just another of your Brexit spaz-outs, metastasizing, tediously.

Advice. Shove off to your beloved Hungary, and do us all a favour, before your lovely leader Orban closes the border to homosexuals as well as Muslims.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/09/hungary-slammed-after-blocking-europe-wide-agreement-on-lgbt-rights/

Coda.

There may well be a case for exercising discretion in her favour.

But, it's hard to argue that the immigration authorities have acted badly in this case, any more than a court bailiff is acting badly when he turns up to evict a tenant who has a possession order made against him.

They may or may not have acted badly, but the purported en masse joy of loonies at seeing her deported is certainly not what I recall even from those who see no issue with the lack of exercise of discretion.

People horrified at broad brush labelling by their opponents are rarely shy of using it themselves

A Leaver supporting Britain.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/01/dyson_backs_britain_plc_with_25bn_ai_robotics_investment/?mt=1488380017674

A guy who has real experience of what the EU is like...

"Thirdly, and in a case that echoes the diesel emissions scandal, Dyson discovered that German rivals lower their power consumption when running an EU test, but double their power output in real-life use."

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_P said:

CarlottaVance said:

If they'd won, why would they be calling names?

Yes, why did the "winners" need to come up with names for those who have not drunk the Brexit Kool-Aid?

loony Leaver callous cretins

Don't forget 'carrot crunchers'. I think that was another one anyway, it's hard to keep up.

SeanT said:

Dixie said:

rcs1000 said:

SeanT said:

Roger said:

SeanT said:

This guy is fascinating, even-handed and bold. He's a citizen journalist who took up that offer to go see if Malmo or other places in Sweden really were "no-go", or unusually dangerous, as Trump claimed.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836934364772589569

At first he was skeptical. Now he's much more doubtful. As you can see.

If you've even been no further than Coconut Grove in Miami exactly the same thing applies. There's no direction you can walk that anyone would describe as safe. And it's a fashionable area.

So the Swedes are meant to be happy that parts of their previously ultra-safe, ultra-liberal country are being turned into dangerous American suburbs (even without US gun laws), by the idiotic mass importation of immigrants.

Plus they get to be, literally, the rape capital of the world! Well done Sweden.

Trump was right.

Katie Hopkins (yes yes yes) went there as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html

I don't think Sweden really is the rape capital of the world. It is merely the place where the sexual assault laws are the broadest ("sex by surprise", for example).

Family member just back from Sweden. Lots of police watching, but doing nothing with lots of Immigrants hanging around at main thoroughfares. Girls have stopped going out alone. People are scared to to say anything, usual fear of racism. Liberal elite dominance allowing suppression of decent people.

Here's Tim Pool again, his latest thoughts. And he was the one pouring scorn on the idea Sweden had "no-go" zones. Having been there, he's now admitting he was wrong.

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/836945458283102209

I'll give it about 10 seconds before someone tries to denounce him as a nazi, or a white supremacist, or whatever the term of the day is. If you listen to the interview he gave before he went out to look around Sweden he was being told by leftwing journalists to not waste his money and give it to a charity because there was nothing to see. When journalists don't want other journalists to see what is going on you are in a dangerous place.