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Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.RobD said:
Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.Scott_P said:twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
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See my point above. The system is far from perfect, but thinking we can get better by spending even less is short-sighted,chestnut said:
And how do the G7 organise this funding of healthcare?dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
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Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative
On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath0 -
Sarcasm doesn't travel well on the internt.peter_from_putney said:
I must have somehow misconstrued your earlier post at 7.26pm:TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think the Tories have a chance in Stoke.peter_from_putney said:Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.
I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if the Tories gain Stoke.
"A truly terrible night for Mrs May if the Tories fail to take Stoke.
That's my benchmark for tonight."0 -
It'll shift some votes from the centre to the extremes, even just on the FkU principlekle4 said:
Will it really make a difference there? Genuine question.Alanbrooke said:
In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.RobD said:
Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.Scott_P said:twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
The difficulty in NI is every time the centre gets a chance to break through someone in the UK or RoI panders to the tribalists and we go back to the beginning.
Really STFU and make them sort themselves out is the only answer.
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The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.chestnut said:
It's the system.glw said:
Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.
No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.0 -
Paddy has launched a bunch of Trump specials
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/donald-trump?ev_oc_grp_ids=3015199
Worst of the lot looks to be a gun ban at 5-6,
burka ban would clearly violate the US constitution so he won't do that,
abortion will be a SCOTUS not a POTUS matter.
None of that lot appeals frankly.
Trump to complete 1st term at 1-2 is OK, but I'm on this and proxies at longer.
Whole bunch of other amusing bets in the various tabs, none of which will come remotely close to winning I expect ;p0 -
Someone wants 10k at 5 UKIP now
If you took out the 250 quid under that, theyd be 2.5!0 -
Gilly gilly gone.
Worlds a banana0 -
Conservative vote 75% in May.nunu said:
what?? they got 4% last time? How?........dr_spyn said:LDs take Chigwell Village, I think it falls into the category of very, very unlikely.
http://rds.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=479
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One interesting change is that during the Troubles, majorities on the Mainland usually favoured Unification (sometimes, an IRA atrocity would shift opinion against). But, now polling suggests a plurality favour NI remaining part of the UK. I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.CornishBlue said:
Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.RobD said:
Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.Scott_P said:twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
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I don't think spending less is necessarily the answer, but given the endless crises even when more us given either we're asking too much or the money is not spent effectively or both. Clearly no easy answer or it would be rolled already, but there is still an almost religious defence of the NHS when harder, folded attitudes may be needed, at least in part,dixiedean said:
See my point above. The system is far from perfect, but thinking we can get better by spending even less is short-sighted,chestnut said:
And how do the G7 organise this funding of healthcare?dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
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@Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke
and to you @foxinsoxuk
Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!0 -
Oh, right; I read that as Endex wanting his lot to apply to join the UK.RobD said:
Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.Scott_P said:twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
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@jessicaelgot: Five hours later, lobby carpool has arrived in Stoke. Lab sources sounding cheerful, Ukip sounding coy. Everyone wet and cold. Result 2-3am.0
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OK.isam said:@Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke
and to you @foxinsoxuk
Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!
I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.
You lay that bet.
Pls confirm.0 -
Yep £20@5/2 you havePong said:
OK.isam said:@Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke
and to you @foxinsoxuk
Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!
I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.
You lay that bet.
Pls confirm.0 -
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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That's part of the flawed system design.Sean_F said:
The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.chestnut said:
It's the system.glw said:
Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.
No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.
I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.0 -
the only one stuck in the past is yourself, most of us have moved onwilliamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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The real issue is that demand for votes is unlimited.Sean_F said:
The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.chestnut said:
It's the system.glw said:
Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.
No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
And the perceived link between the two is very strong.0 -
Excellent, thanks.isam said:
Yep £20@5/2 you havePong said:
OK.isam said:@Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke
and to you @foxinsoxuk
Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!
I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.
You lay that bet.
Pls confirm.0 -
Elon Musk doeschestnut said:
That's part of the flawed system design.Sean_F said:
The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.chestnut said:
It's the system.glw said:
Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.dixiedean said:
Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.glw said:
And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.kle4 said:
Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.glw said:Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.
No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.
I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.digging big holeshealthcare...0 -
How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?isam said:Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative
On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath0 -
There is no loyalty left in this world...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result0 -
That is far from the most common, but you keep making things as simplistic as possible, that'll help.williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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I agree, I got to hospitals quite often, and it's like looking back in time. The NHS doesn't look like a 21st century organisation, and I expect it to fall further and further behind.chestnut said:That's part of the flawed system design.
I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.
I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.
But we're not going to fix it because one side won't hear any criticism of the NHS (which they seem to consider the UK's greatest achievement ever) and the other side is afraid of scaring the voters by doing anything substantial. So we tinker and keep drip feeding money to the beast.
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Sometimes it's obvious the money is from the same source when a pile of bets for large amounts at different odds all appear or disappear at the same time.Philip_Thompson said:
How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?isam said:Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative
On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath0 -
If Stoke result arrives first, as I think it will we should pay attention to the Lab-Con or Con-Lab swing for Copeland.0
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True, when Germany was unified the former East Germany became a member of the EU overnight and the EU recognises the Cypriot government's claim to Northern Cyprus so if there is a settlement in Cyprus, the northern part could go straight in.CornishBlue said:
Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.RobD said:
Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.Scott_P said:twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
However the EU could be long extinct before Ireland is ever reunited.0 -
Well when its exactly £1800 at one price with no money around it, its safe to assume I think. Even if its not a round number, most will be the same person in a market where every other price has a fiver or a tenner upPhilip_Thompson said:
How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?isam said:Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative
On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath
Most people try to get to the front of the queue rather than sit with other money too, so you can tell by that0 -
NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.0
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Hasnt someone been injured in Stoke today as a result of the weather. Hope they are okScott_P said:@jessicaelgot: Five hours later, lobby carpool has arrived in Stoke. Lab sources sounding cheerful, Ukip sounding coy. Everyone wet and cold. Result 2-3am.
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The common denominator is British nationalism, and that's fine by me.williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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Was trying to square up UKIP in Copeland and had 1 pence matched at almost the max lol
UKIP 990 £0.01 £9.89
Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
UKIP 900 £0.01 £8.99
Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
Just left it open for the moment.0 -
Who is laying these 1 pennies
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The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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In case you missed it -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/donald-trumps-love-royal-family-may-see-united-states-join-commonwealth/Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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Doris Day saw some of my trainspotting plans in tatters
An hour or more freezing my proverbials off waiting at Doncaster for a Grand Central train from London to Bradford (via rare track through Knottingley, Pontefract, and Wakefield) resulted in me having to turn back to my temporaryCommand Centerbase in Leeds and then tackle Knottingley via Castleford, and then get to Wakefield Kirkgate from there. I still have to do the relatively long piece of track connecting Doncaster to Knottingley!
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There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.Sean_F said:
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
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[Giggling like a child]RobD said:
In case you missed it -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/donald-trumps-love-royal-family-may-see-united-states-join-commonwealth/Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox0 -
Is England a C11 throwback? Or the UK a C18 throwback?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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The principle of a collectively funded health system that treats important health issues isn't a matter of left and right. It's almost universally accepted as a good idea.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
That doesn't mean the way we go about delivering it is especially effective or efficient.
Value? If it's so good, why doesn't everyone else copy it?
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Medical treatment is only part of the NHS, there's a lot more to the organisation. You can have great food in a restaurant, but if it's noisy, crowded, and getting a booking is a pain, it will still be a poor place to choose to go. The NHS is basically crap at the non-medical stuff.Jonathan said:There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
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Dirty Dele Alli.0
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The Roman Empire a 1st century BC throwback?Jonathan said:
Is England a C11 throwback? Or the UK a C18 throwback?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...williamglenn said:
The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.Sean_F said:I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
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That should be 10 games for Alli.0
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Good evening.
Anything interesting happening tonight?
Hoping something will be Stoked up, and we can all Cope with it.
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O/T Google releases troll detection software:
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14713496/google-jigsaw-perspective-software-ai-machine-learning-developers0 -
I am sad, but it is the right decision. Our position in the League is poor and our form worse. The performances against Swansea and Millwall were pathetic. Last night only luck and good goalkeeping kept Sevilla from scoring 4 or more. The second half was better, at moments looking like last years team. It was not enough.rottenborough said:
There is no loyalty left in this world...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.TheScreamingEagles said:
Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
The window is closed, there are a dozen games to go in the League, Claudio was the only thing possible to change. But I am sad, Claudio is a true gentleman, not a man to fire up the team and keep us up to rebuild.
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That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.tlg86 said:That should be 10 games for Alli.
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Whats he doneTheScreamingEagles said:Dirty Dele Alli.
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your time is upwilliamglenn said:O/T Google releases troll detection software:
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14713496/google-jigsaw-perspective-software-ai-machine-learning-developers0 -
Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.TheScreamingEagles said:
That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.tlg86 said:That should be 10 games for Alli.
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One of the worst challenges you'll ever see.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whats he doneTheScreamingEagles said:Dirty Dele Alli.
Think Roy Keane at his very worst.0 -
Isn't QT in Stoke? Not that I watch it these daysMarkHopkins said:
Good evening.
Anything interesting happening tonight?
Hoping something will be Stoked up, and we can all Cope with it. 0 -
Pulpstar said:
Who is laying these 1 pennies
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Auto cash out programs0 -
Well we know at least one person who is neither an Arsenal nor a Gent fan pleased with how things have panned out at Wembley so far.tlg86 said:
Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.TheScreamingEagles said:
That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.tlg86 said:That should be 10 games for Alli.
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I had £2 matched on ukip/lab in a series of penny bets which I then laid off at 200 for a handsome £3 profitPulpstar said:Was trying to square up UKIP in Copeland and had 1 pence matched at almost the max lol
UKIP 990 £0.01 £9.89
Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
UKIP 900 £0.01 £8.99
Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
Just left it open for the moment.
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I witnessed all of Roy's tackles and Alli matched the worst. It must have been bad, was he sent offTheScreamingEagles said:
One of the worst challenges you'll ever see.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Whats he doneTheScreamingEagles said:Dirty Dele Alli.
Think Roy Keane at his very worst.0 -
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I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.0
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ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
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I had a little flutter Laying Spurs. The odds were good and Spurs form at Wembley terrible. I couldn't resist.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well we know at least one person who is neither an Arsenal nor a Gent fan pleased with how things have panned out at Wembley so far.tlg86 said:
Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.TheScreamingEagles said:
That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.tlg86 said:That should be 10 games for Alli.
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There are good things and there are bad thingsJonathan said:
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.Sean_F said:
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh
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Is the next Leicester manager the Tony Barton de nos jours?
A cursory check says you cant get at least 100/1 on Leicester winning this year's European cup.0 -
The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interestRobD said:
ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
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It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.0 -
Have you got a link to the NHS spending money on transgender toilets?Floater said:
There are good things and there are bad thingsJonathan said:
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.Sean_F said:
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh0 -
I made it an 82% chance of a fall.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interestRobD said:
ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
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Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
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It may actually be that net migration was going to fall anyway. It had been at that high level for sometime so maybe it was always going to ease off (another reason why Dave should have waited!).RobD said:
ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
But I suspect the fall does have something to do with the vote. It'll be interesting to see what happens in Q1 and Q4.0 -
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.Pulpstar said:It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.0 -
What an ridiculous sacking. From being perhaps the most admired club in the league they've been shown to have feet of clay0
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Interesting mix of figures. A8 outflow up A2 immigration highest ever, Non EU students down.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
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It's a pretty complex situation which I think underlies the basic problem we have no just over the absolute numbers but control. Indeed it is interesting to think what might have happened to public opinion in 2004 if we'd been able to say, yes, there were 201,596 net migrants this year but we know exactly how many where and why.RobD said:
I made it an 82% chance of a fall.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interestRobD said:
ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.TheWhiteRabbit said:I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
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I think its about even with the Haaland challenge.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
If it was deliberate he deserves the rest of the season and then some.
If it wasn't, well to have been so reckless and foolish also deserves an almighty ban.0 -
Alf-Inge Håland says hello.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
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And Clough did it with Derby too. But then I think Clough was doing it in an era when it was easier to make marginal gains. Today the market is very efficient so it's very difficult to significantly overachieve.TheScreamingEagles said:
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.Pulpstar said:It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.0 -
Patrick Battiston also says hello0
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Yes I was there at the game and I agree but both were terriblePulpstar said:
I think its about even with the Haaland challenge.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
If it was deliberate he deserves the rest of the season and then some.
If it wasn't, well to have been so reckless and foolish also deserves an almighty ban.0 -
Wow just seen it, horrific. I am surprised the guys leg didn't snap in two.0
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Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.TheScreamingEagles said:
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.Pulpstar said:It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)0 -
You haven't had to watch it!Roger said:What an ridiculous sacking. From being perhaps the most admired club in the league they've been shown to have feet of clay
Sad, but the right decision by the owners.
The king is dead, long live the king. Whoever it is...
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Didn't he say in a bio that he deliberately set out to hurt him? He should have been arrested for that challenge.TheScreamingEagles said:
Alf-Inge Håland says hello.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
hts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_st29mlQwU
As should Thatcher on Mendes here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v0CdBqUmNA&index=12&list=FLg5SdxeHca5JpoZ1j9-RpJg
Look at the deliberate swing of the arm. Think it only got a yellow, and the FA broke its own rules to ban him since he had been given an on field punishment of a yellow.0 -
Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.Floater said:
There are good things and there are bad thingsJonathan said:
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.Sean_F said:
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
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Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
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It's about priorities. All wrong. money comes from same pot.Roger said:
Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.Floater said:
There are good things and there are bad thingsJonathan said:
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.Sean_F said:
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.Jonathan said:NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh0 -
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I think Leicester got a little bit lucky last season. I know the league doesn't lie, but I really think Spurs were the best team last season. But then maybe my view of it is clouded because I saw them twice last season and they lost both times! And we didn't see many of their games in the first half of the season when they were going really well.Pulpstar said:
Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.TheScreamingEagles said:
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.Pulpstar said:It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)0 -
They certainly did get a bit lucky at times, but the best team is the team that wins - Tottenham played better football, but didn't have the quality to see it through, while with far less potential quality Leicester made the most of their opportunity.tlg86 said:
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I think Leicester got a little bit lucky last season. I know the league doesn't lie, but I really think Spurs were the best team last season. But then maybe my view of it is clouded because I saw them twice last season and they lost both times! And we didn't see many of their games in the first half of the season when they were going really well.Pulpstar said:
Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.TheScreamingEagles said:
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.Pulpstar said:It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)
Given the club achieved the near impossible under him, Leicester could have given Ranieri a full year again - even if they were relegated, the chance of him turning it around in another year may have been worth it.0 -
Leicester would have a better chance of staying up if they had kept Ranieri and sacked the team.0
