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I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
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Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see.Mortimer said:
Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.SimonStClare said:
Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.Mortimer said:Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!
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That does not look likely at the moment but if it only looked like Hamon could get through to the runoff it might be a possibilityrcs1000 said:
Albeit that didn't include Bayrou actually endorsing Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
It will be interesting to see if this catalyses Melanchon and Hamon getting together.0 -
Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.0 -
The Labour price on Betfair looks super weak. Less than a grand wanting to take the odds on0
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that's fair enough.isam said:
That Farage statistic, while true, is so misleading it may as well not be. On at least 5 of the occasions he stood UKIP would have been 100/1 to win the seat, the exceptions being Bucks in 2010 and Thanet South in 2015 (and that's a bit fishy)Dixie said:
Of course Farage never won a constituency and tried 7 times. UKIP predicting Labour in Stoke and too close to call in Copeland. That's me paraphrasing their emails to me.dixiedean said:
UKIP have much to lose too. If they don't win in Stoke with the leader standing against a less than stellar Labour candidate, then bang goes their plan of replacing Labour in the North and Midlands. If not here and now, then when and where?Jason said:The bar set by Labour is now so low (and seemingly getting lower and lower), winning (retaining) these two seats will be perceived as a triumph by Labour. When the dust has settled, if they win, it will be seen as what it is by objective observers - the absolute bare minimum an Opposition party should be achieving. There's no triumph in retaining safe seats, there really isn't, and all this 'expectation management' stuff is a pile of crap. A sitting government taking a seat off the Opposition IS a big deal, though.
The Tories have nothing to lose from either of these by-elections and everything to gain. Labour have nothing to gain but a whole lot to lose.0 -
Copeland I thinkTheWhiteRabbit said:
... Copeland or Stoke?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.
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Depends by "that much" - I think enough to get Macron's nose ahead of Fillon for a moment.HYUFD said:
I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
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lol typical of RogerRoger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.0 -
this is fascinating. and could Libs come through the middle?TheWhiteRabbit said:
... Copeland or Stoke?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.
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Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.HYUFD said:
I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
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Agreed.Sean_F said:
In a general election, I think Labour would lose Copeland, and come close to losing Stoke, with Corbyn as leader.Casino_Royale said:
My point is just how bad and unappealing do Labour have to be to put their own core voters off?SouthamObserver said:
Imagine the reaction if a metropolitan liberal leftie had posted that about white working class voters. Should Labour win in Stoke it's because the other options were not appealling enough.Casino_Royale said:
Probably, but then Labour is led by an utter idiot and has a local candidate who's called Brexit a bucketful of shit, in one of the most heavily Leave areas in the whole country.foxinsoxuk said:
Lay Labour?Casino_Royale said:I think Stoke could be a very tight race between Labour and another, or anothers, I don't think the betting markets reflect that.
I'm not expecting that another to be UKIP.
Of course, I could be wrong, and Labour romp home.
I think a low turnout Labour win.
If they still score a clear win, then donkeys is a label many of their voters will not unjustly be tagged with.
We are told that the whole of the Northern core area is up for grabs now because it voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, Corbyn is viewed as an atrocious leader and the candidates are non-local and of poor calibre. This would lead to much of that being questioned.
The language in my post was deliberately provocative.
Btw.. Great to have you back on board, Sean.0 -
The direct effect may be minimal but it plays into the narrative for Macron in two very helpful ways. First, it gives him a boost at the precise moment when his campaign had started to go off the boil, and more importantly it helps present his movement as being broad based with a sense of inevitability.rcs1000 said:
The French press are suggesting that Bayrou will be actively campaigning for Macron. Which will probably be useful in Pau, but I'm unconvinced it will have a major impact elsewhere in France.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
Remember that Bayrou is the man who was planning to step aside for Juppé.0 -
Alas, it was not a presentation copy - a financial hack presenting a copy of this book to Peel before the Railway mania would almost be newsworthy.SimonStClare said:
Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see.Mortimer said:
Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.SimonStClare said:
Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.Mortimer said:Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!
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What was the market for 4th place in Stoke someone highlighted earlier?Dixie said:
this is fascinating. and could Libs come through the middle?TheWhiteRabbit said:
... Copeland or Stoke?Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.
UKIP might be the bet there, if we get a four way marginal on a really low turnout.0 -
I am the same. My membership runs out in April and I won't renew. Though I won't join any other party as I really don't like the basic principle of parties.Sean_F said:
I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.RoyalBlue said:
Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...Sean_F said:I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.
When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.0 -
Obviously, if I were the victim of a miscarriage of justice, I'd want to massacre a load of innocent people who had nothing to do with my imprisonment.Floater said:
lol typical of RogerRoger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.
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So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.0 -
Palmer was getting very upset at those pesky Lib Dems for daring to campaign.David_Evershed said:
Lib Dems taking votes off Labour in Copeland and Stoke could let Conservatives in at both.Casino_Royale said:
A bit, but tinged with an element of frustration that it's not the LDs strongly challenging for those seats rather than the Tories.Pulpstar said:Insightful analysis from Mike here.
Don't they know their true position?0 -
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.0 -
Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.Roger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.0 -
Most likely result in my view is the Tories gain Copeland by a tiny margin (albeit Labour could easily hold it very narrowly too) and Labour hold Stoke with the Tories taking second and UKIP falling to thirdSeanT said:Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!
The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.
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I don't agree with your politics or views Mr Tyndall, but you are an honourable man and I admire you for that.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am the same. My membership runs out in April and I won't renew. Though I won't join any other party as I really don't like the basic principle of parties.Sean_F said:
I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.RoyalBlue said:
Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...Sean_F said:I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.
When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.0 -
Yet another local lection yesterday with the Cons coming off poor, the least said about the Lib Dems the better.0
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Farage surprisingly third to an Independent liberal democrat in Buckingham against the Speaker in 2010.isam said:
That Farage statistic, while true, is so misleading it may as well not be. On at least 5 of the occasions he stood UKIP would have been 100/1 to win the seat, the exceptions being Bucks in 2010 and Thanet South in 2015 (and that's a bit fishy)Dixie said:
Of course Farage never won a constituency and tried 7 times. UKIP predicting Labour in Stoke and too close to call in Copeland. That's me paraphrasing their emails to me.dixiedean said:
UKIP have much to lose too. If they don't win in Stoke with the leader standing against a less than stellar Labour candidate, then bang goes their plan of replacing Labour in the North and Midlands. If not here and now, then when and where?Jason said:The bar set by Labour is now so low (and seemingly getting lower and lower), winning (retaining) these two seats will be perceived as a triumph by Labour. When the dust has settled, if they win, it will be seen as what it is by objective observers - the absolute bare minimum an Opposition party should be achieving. There's no triumph in retaining safe seats, there really isn't, and all this 'expectation management' stuff is a pile of crap. A sitting government taking a seat off the Opposition IS a big deal, though.
The Tories have nothing to lose from either of these by-elections and everything to gain. Labour have nothing to gain but a whole lot to lose.0 -
For a moment maybe but the election is still almost 2 months away, it will be touch and go who makes the runoff between them in my view until thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
Depends by "that much" - I think enough to get Macron's nose ahead of Fillon for a moment.HYUFD said:
I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
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Yep. Can't argue with that.SeanT said:Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!
The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.
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Indeed, of course in 2007 Bayrou came close to overtaking Royal in a few runoff polls but in the end was thirdSean_F said:
Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.HYUFD said:
I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf0 -
Calling in a favour?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343
Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.0 -
Basingstoketheakes said:Yet another local lection yesterday with the Cons coming off poor, the least said about the Lib Dems the better.
Winklebury
Labour 61.6% + 31.1
Con 35.3 -10.5
Lib Dem 3.1 -2.7
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You would have thought so maybe Theresa should pay you for advice.SeanT said:Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!
The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.0 -
He said, whilst chewing on a baby.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He's very big in his home town of Pau, where he comfortably won the mayoralty and MoDem dominates local government. But, outside there, not so much.Sean_F said:
Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.HYUFD said:
I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few daysTheWhiteRabbit said:
Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.HYUFD said:
Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governmentsTheWhiteRabbit said:
It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.rottenborough said:
Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.Freggles said:Macron FTW
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Perhaps being a bit rude about Brexit doesn't evoke in these people the same paroxysms of anguish and disgust that it does in - oh, let's take a random example - some of the patrons of Ronnie Scott's.Casino_Royale said:
Probably, but then Labour is led by an utter idiot and has a local candidate who's called Brexit a bucketful of shit, in one of the most heavily Leave areas in the whole country.foxinsoxuk said:
Lay Labour?Casino_Royale said:I think Stoke could be a very tight race between Labour and another, or anothers, I don't think the betting markets reflect that.
I'm not expecting that another to be UKIP.
Of course, I could be wrong, and Labour romp home.
I think a low turnout Labour win.
If they still score a clear win, then donkeys is a label many of their voters will not unjustly be tagged with.0 -
definitely up for itMortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.0 -
If Corbyn gets a boost by clinging on in Copeland and Stoke despite a swing to the Tories doubt Tory MPs will complain too muchPong said:
He said, whilst chewing on a baby.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?0 -
Good evening, everyone.
F1: Silverstone no longer for sale.
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And the fact that he didn't confess under torture presumably indicated that he was probably innocent so they let him go. Torture is not a good idea purely from a pragmatic point of view - never mind the moral.Roger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.0 -
Mr. Cyan, welcome (back?) to the site.0
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Looks like they have their own excuse for their poor expectations management.Pong said:
He said, whilst chewing on a baby.TheScreamingEagles said:
Seems like these types of tactics get called useless or scandalous depending on if the target thinks they will lose or not.0 -
Personally I would be too busy enjoying my million quid, like a seanT after a royalty cheque.Sean_F said:
Obviously, if I were the victim of a miscarriage of justice, I'd want to massacre a load of innocent people who had nothing to do with my imprisonment.Floater said:
lol typical of RogerRoger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.0 -
Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????dr_spyn said:Calling in a favour?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343
Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.
Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?0 -
Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!Cyan said:French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?
A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.0 -
Do you have some links to this? Most of what I can find is sympathetic puff pieces from the Guardian etc - its quite clear to me he was a wrong one from the start but it'd be good to get a link to this.SeanT said:
FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.isam said:
Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.Roger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.
They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.0 -
Haha fair enough. I hadnt really read about him, just open to the idea that incarceration might help convert. It is supposedly happening in UK prisons, I saw a talk by Tommy Robinson w Matt Forde, and he said they are a breeding ground for Islamic terrorismSeanT said:
FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.isam said:
Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.Roger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.
They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.0 -
I don't agree Mr T. There's currently a small but non-negligible risk that something bad happens in the world and somehow we find ourselves with Corbyn as PM.SeanT said:Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!
The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.
I'd like to see some sensible Labour-ite at their helm. I still think they'll fall apart, but their views are not completely nonsensical. Their foundations are completely rotten in my view - control of the clever in the name of the stupid, but overseen by villains. Nonetheless the recognition of social concerns etc is something of a strength for them, and I wouldn't want to see that go away.0 -
It is interesting what bbc thinks is left leaning vs right wing of the spectrum...anybody would think they were some blairite IPPR-esque organisation.isam said:
Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????dr_spyn said:Calling in a favour?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343
Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.
Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?0 -
York to Scarborough done todayMortimer said:
Alas, it was not a presentation copy - a financial hack presenting a copy of this book to Peel before the Railway mania would almost be newsworthy.SimonStClare said:
Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see.Mortimer said:
Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.SimonStClare said:
Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.Mortimer said:Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!
And it was actually sunny in Scarborough today! South Bay much nearer to the rail station, natch.0 -
Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence
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Facing Hamon is Le Pen's route to the Presidency. However, I suspect Macron would be the biggest beneficiary of a Hamon-Melanchon pact, as it would likely drive moderate socialist voters towards him.Cyan said:French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?0 -
I hate to think how many calories kasper schmeichel fitbit will say he has burned by the end of 90 minutes of this game!0
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Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
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https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/834495464808579083FrancisUrquhart said:I hate to think how many calories kasper schmeichel fitbit will say he has burned by the end of 90 minutes of this game!
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SeanT said:
Mr TMortimer said:Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
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To which political party will you be donating your surplus cash?0 -
In these turbulent times I'm not sure that historical precedent tells us much. I'm very confident Labour will win Stoke (and have laid UKIP for £100). Copeland in bad weather? Not so confident. But I'm just guessing.0
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Wouldn't most of the oil (for what it's still worth) be Shetland's oil and not Scotland's?HYUFD said:Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence
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Mr. T, plenty of betting suggestions on the by-elections if you've got bundles of cash floating around.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Evershed, just think of the trebuchets he could buy!0 -
The sympathetic puff pieces were from the Daily Mail who ran a campaign for his release.Philip_Thompson said:
Do you have some links to this? Most of what I can find is sympathetic puff pieces from the Guardian etc - its quite clear to me he was a wrong one from the start but it'd be good to get a link to this.SeanT said:
FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.isam said:
Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.Roger said:Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/
That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.
If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.
They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.0 -
That is certainly what the Shetlanders will claimPhilip_Thompson said:
Wouldn't most of the oil (for what it's still worth) be Shetland's oil and not Scotland's?HYUFD said:Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence
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Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)0 -
I think most moderate social democratic voters are already backing Macron anyway given Hamon is a Corbynistarcs1000 said:
Facing Hamon is Le Pen's route to the Presidency. However, I suspect Macron would be the biggest beneficiary of a Hamon-Melanchon pact, as it would likely drive moderate socialist voters towards him.Cyan said:French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?0 -
Arch-Blairite Dan Hodges is heavily involved with 'Hope not Hate' isn't he?FrancisUrquhart said:
It is interesting what bbc thinks is left leaning vs right wing of the spectrum...anybody would think they were some blairite IPPR-esque organisation.isam said:
Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????dr_spyn said:Calling in a favour?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343
Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.
Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?0 -
The argument is that polls shouldn't be given such great importance. And he scored 4% both yesterday and the day before in the running polls by OpinionWay.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!Cyan said:French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?
Why are you so sure their talks will fail?TheWhiteRabbit said:A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.
Meanwhile France 2, another TV channel, say they want to organise a debate among all the candidates on the ballot by the end of March; and also to give a platform to every candidate on 20 April, three days before the first round. I'm not sure whether the format for the latter event would be a debate, but a sequence of pre-recorded three-minute statements or interviews that would probably bore the living daylights out of people watching seems unlikely, so it will surely be at least something close. "I agree with Nicolas" 0 -
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
Old-fashioned tech like trebuchets seem to have become quite expensive. Did you see the costs associated with the steam train they ran recently? GBP3m apparently.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T, plenty of betting suggestions on the by-elections if you've got bundles of cash floating around.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Evershed, just think of the trebuchets he could buy!0 -
I feel much more at ease with May than Cameron, even though there's no big ideological difference. Cameron just grated on me.SeanT said:
Sensible choice. UKIP will continue as a pressure group, but I can't quite seem them replacing Labour, and to do so, they would have to go Le Pen style Left, which wouldn't suit you at all.Sean_F said:
I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.RoyalBlue said:
Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...Sean_F said:I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.
When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
I suggest a grammar-schooled TMay led Tory party is a much happier home for guys like you.
I like the cut of her jib, apart from her tolerance of Muslim exceptionalism. Hopefully someone can teach her sense.0 -
Mr. Omnium, steam trains are fantastic.
As for cost, we can sell tickets to watch criminals be flung into the sea. It'll pay for itself and deliver justice at the same time. It's bi-winning.0 -
http://www.liberation.fr/elections-presidentielle-legislatives-2017/2017/02/19/hamon-melenchon-c-est-mort_1549639Cyan said:
The argument is that polls shouldn't be given such great importance. And he scored 4% both yesterday and the day before in the running polls by OpinionWay.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!Cyan said:French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.
The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.
Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.
Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?
Why are you so sure their talks will fail?TheWhiteRabbit said:A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.
Meanwhile France 2, another TV channel, say they want to organise a debate among all the candidates on the ballot by the end of March; and also to give a platform to every candidate on 20 April, three days before the first round. I'm not sure whether the format for the latter event would be a debate, but a sequence of pre-recorded three-minute statements or interviews that would probably bore the living daylights out of people watching seems unlikely, so it will surely be at least something close. "I agree with Nicolas"
Not sure if you speak French Cyan but I think the knock-out quote was Mélenchon describing the Socialist Party as a hearse...
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23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
agreedSean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
An Article 50 Party - Count me in!Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)0 -
Don't be so crude.Pong said:
He said, whilst chewing on a baby.TheScreamingEagles said:
When we eat babies it's it's sliced and sautéed so they melt in the mouth with a glass of port and a dresser salad on a the side.
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Cheltenham...Casino_Royale said:Might a date on the w/c 13th March work for everyone?
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... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.Sean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
And what happens iF Brexit is a disaster and consigns the UK to the crapness of outer Europe...what will we celebrate?logical_song said:
... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.Sean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
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European muck? You'll have warm ale, and be glad of it!danielmawbs said:a glass of port
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You're in then?Sean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
I hope we're all buying new Jaguars as well?
Mine arrives on 4th March. I'm ever so slightly excited about it:
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I think that you are too pesimistic over @GillTroughton in Copeland. I think she should be 4/9 rather than 9/4. A solid local candidate on local issues. I think Snell is safe in Stoke too, probably with Tories in second place. Snell was certainly a bit potty mouthed on twitter in the past (though making disparaging comments on twitter about tv shows is hardly a capital crime!) but has been sound during the campaign.NickPalmer said:In these turbulent times I'm not sure that historical precedent tells us much. I'm very confident Labour will win Stoke (and have laid UKIP for £100). Copeland in bad weather? Not so confident. But I'm just guessing.
2 Labour holds and UKIP sent packing is my prediction and betting.0 -
Jesus..what twats you all are......BigRich said:
An Article 50 Party - Count me in!Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday....
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170 or so other nations/territories seem to exist perfectly well outside the EU, so don't worry. We won't drop off the sides if we sail away.0
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I look forwards to the LDs announcing that as their policy. I bet they give you no credit.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Omnium, steam trains are fantastic.
As for cost, we can sell tickets to watch criminals be flung into the sea. It'll pay for itself and deliver justice at the same time. It's bi-winning.0 -
I think May is much more comfortable with her own party, its members and volunteers.Sean_F said:
I feel much more at ease with May than Cameron, even though there's no big ideological difference. Cameron just grated on me.SeanT said:
Sensible choice. UKIP will continue as a pressure group, but I can't quite seem them replacing Labour, and to do so, they would have to go Le Pen style Left, which wouldn't suit you at all.Sean_F said:
I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.RoyalBlue said:
Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...Sean_F said:I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.
When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
I suggest a grammar-schooled TMay led Tory party is a much happier home for guys like you.
I like the cut of her jib, apart from her tolerance of Muslim exceptionalism. Hopefully someone can teach her sense.
Cameron was more comfortable with his own social set, who coincidentally also happened to be Tories, but if you weren't in you were very definitely out.0 -
I don't normally support petitions but given the NHS is in crisis and the £350 Million per week has been disowned by leading Brexit advocates in government. Surely it is a good move to put pressure on the government to increase funding on the NHS. If the Government has a mandate for Brexit, it has a mandate to increase NHS funding by £350 Million a week:
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No connection. We're fighting for our independence from Hitler's successors.tyson said:
Jesus..what twats you all are......BigRich said:
An Article 50 Party - Count me in!Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday....0 -
Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).0 -
Presumably this party will be as far away from the Metropolitan elite as possible in Brexit Central. Stoke or Sunderland?0
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Good man!BigRich said:
An Article 50 Party - Count me in!Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)0 -
Come Back Please Dave Day? Or Thanks for Giving Us PM Corbyn Day?tyson said:
And what happens iF Brexit is a disaster and consigns the UK to the crapness of outer Europe...what will we celebrate?logical_song said:
... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.Sean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.Casino_Royale said:
We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.RoyalBlue said:
Why not 23rd June?SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.
Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.0 -
Hitler believed in a highly centralised pan-European super-statetyson said:
Jesus..what twats you all are......BigRich said:
An Article 50 Party - Count me in!Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday.... 0 -
Mr. Omnium, alas. People often steal my brilliant ideas.0
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I really would not want to attend an event with the likes of you Mortimer and other swivel eyed loons. But have a good night...you can all mutually masturbate each other.Mortimer said:
Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).
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How about Richmonddixiedean said:Presumably this party will be as far away from the Metropolitan elite as possible in Brexit Central. Stoke or Sunderland?
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We could have a unique parallel day - 52% of the population would have a day of celebration, 48% a day of mourning. Everyone would get the day off for whichever purpose they preferredSean_F said:
23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland. 0 -
The telegraph claim it was cuddly ken Clarke who did the compensation deal for the terrorists not May.0
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Wednesday 22nd is Germany vs England International Friendly... could be apt!Mortimer said:
Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.Casino_Royale said:
Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.SeanT said:
I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.Mortimer said:
I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...Casino_Royale said:So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?
I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?
Either eway, my offer is genuine.
This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.
I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.
Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.
Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?
If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).0
