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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
  • Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!

    Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.
    Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.
    Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see. :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Albeit that didn't include Bayrou actually endorsing Macron.

    It will be interesting to see if this catalyses Melanchon and Hamon getting together.
    That does not look likely at the moment but if it only looked like Hamon could get through to the runoff it might be a possibility
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The Labour price on Betfair looks super weak. Less than a grand wanting to take the odds on
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    isam said:

    Dixie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Jason said:

    The bar set by Labour is now so low (and seemingly getting lower and lower), winning (retaining) these two seats will be perceived as a triumph by Labour. When the dust has settled, if they win, it will be seen as what it is by objective observers - the absolute bare minimum an Opposition party should be achieving. There's no triumph in retaining safe seats, there really isn't, and all this 'expectation management' stuff is a pile of crap. A sitting government taking a seat off the Opposition IS a big deal, though.

    The Tories have nothing to lose from either of these by-elections and everything to gain. Labour have nothing to gain but a whole lot to lose.

    UKIP have much to lose too. If they don't win in Stoke with the leader standing against a less than stellar Labour candidate, then bang goes their plan of replacing Labour in the North and Midlands. If not here and now, then when and where?
    Of course Farage never won a constituency and tried 7 times. UKIP predicting Labour in Stoke and too close to call in Copeland. That's me paraphrasing their emails to me.
    That Farage statistic, while true, is so misleading it may as well not be. On at least 5 of the occasions he stood UKIP would have been 100/1 to win the seat, the exceptions being Bucks in 2010 and Thanet South in 2015 (and that's a bit fishy)
    that's fair enough.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Scott_P said:

    @PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.

    ... Copeland or Stoke?
    Copeland I think
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
    Depends by "that much" - I think enough to get Macron's nose ahead of Fillon for a moment.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Scott_P said:

    @PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.

    ... Copeland or Stoke?
    this is fascinating. and could Libs come through the middle?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    lol typical of Roger
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
    Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.
  • Sean_F said:

    I think Stoke could be a very tight race between Labour and another, or anothers, I don't think the betting markets reflect that.

    I'm not expecting that another to be UKIP.

    Of course, I could be wrong, and Labour romp home.

    Lay Labour?

    I think a low turnout Labour win.

    Probably, but then Labour is led by an utter idiot and has a local candidate who's called Brexit a bucketful of shit, in one of the most heavily Leave areas in the whole country.

    If they still score a clear win, then donkeys is a label many of their voters will not unjustly be tagged with.

    Imagine the reaction if a metropolitan liberal leftie had posted that about white working class voters. Should Labour win in Stoke it's because the other options were not appealling enough.

    My point is just how bad and unappealing do Labour have to be to put their own core voters off?

    We are told that the whole of the Northern core area is up for grabs now because it voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, Corbyn is viewed as an atrocious leader and the candidates are non-local and of poor calibre. This would lead to much of that being questioned.

    The language in my post was deliberately provocative.
    In a general election, I think Labour would lose Copeland, and come close to losing Stoke, with Corbyn as leader.
    Agreed.

    Btw.. Great to have you back on board, Sean.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    The French press are suggesting that Bayrou will be actively campaigning for Macron. Which will probably be useful in Pau, but I'm unconvinced it will have a major impact elsewhere in France.
    The direct effect may be minimal but it plays into the narrative for Macron in two very helpful ways. First, it gives him a boost at the precise moment when his campaign had started to go off the boil, and more importantly it helps present his movement as being broad based with a sense of inevitability.

    Remember that Bayrou is the man who was planning to step aside for Juppé.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!

    Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.
    Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.
    Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see. :lol:
    Alas, it was not a presentation copy - a financial hack presenting a copy of this book to Peel before the Railway mania would almost be newsworthy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    Dixie said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PaulBrandITV: Both Labour and Tories are very nervy, which suggests their canvassing reports that it's tight. UKIP say they're taking more from Labour.

    ... Copeland or Stoke?
    this is fascinating. and could Libs come through the middle?
    What was the market for 4th place in Stoke someone highlighted earlier?

    UKIP might be the bet there, if we get a four way marginal on a really low turnout.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    edited February 2017
    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.

    Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...

    When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
    I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.
    I am the same. My membership runs out in April and I won't renew. Though I won't join any other party as I really don't like the basic principle of parties.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734
    Floater said:

    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    lol typical of Roger
    Obviously, if I were the victim of a miscarriage of justice, I'd want to massacre a load of innocent people who had nothing to do with my imprisonment.
  • So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Pulpstar said:

    Insightful analysis from Mike here.

    A bit, but tinged with an element of frustration that it's not the LDs strongly challenging for those seats rather than the Tories.
    Lib Dems taking votes off Labour in Copeland and Stoke could let Conservatives in at both.
    Palmer was getting very upset at those pesky Lib Dems for daring to campaign.

    Don't they know their true position?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    SeanT said:

    Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!

    The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.

    Most likely result in my view is the Tories gain Copeland by a tiny margin (albeit Labour could easily hold it very narrowly too) and Labour hold Stoke with the Tories taking second and UKIP falling to third
  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574

    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.

    Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...

    When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
    I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.
    I am the same. My membership runs out in April and I won't renew. Though I won't join any other party as I really don't like the basic principle of parties.
    I don't agree with your politics or views Mr Tyndall, but you are an honourable man and I admire you for that.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 941
    Yet another local lection yesterday with the Cons coming off poor, the least said about the Lib Dems the better.
  • isam said:

    Dixie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Jason said:

    The bar set by Labour is now so low (and seemingly getting lower and lower), winning (retaining) these two seats will be perceived as a triumph by Labour. When the dust has settled, if they win, it will be seen as what it is by objective observers - the absolute bare minimum an Opposition party should be achieving. There's no triumph in retaining safe seats, there really isn't, and all this 'expectation management' stuff is a pile of crap. A sitting government taking a seat off the Opposition IS a big deal, though.

    The Tories have nothing to lose from either of these by-elections and everything to gain. Labour have nothing to gain but a whole lot to lose.

    UKIP have much to lose too. If they don't win in Stoke with the leader standing against a less than stellar Labour candidate, then bang goes their plan of replacing Labour in the North and Midlands. If not here and now, then when and where?
    Of course Farage never won a constituency and tried 7 times. UKIP predicting Labour in Stoke and too close to call in Copeland. That's me paraphrasing their emails to me.
    That Farage statistic, while true, is so misleading it may as well not be. On at least 5 of the occasions he stood UKIP would have been 100/1 to win the seat, the exceptions being Bucks in 2010 and Thanet South in 2015 (and that's a bit fishy)
    Farage surprisingly third to an Independent liberal democrat in Buckingham against the Speaker in 2010.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
    Depends by "that much" - I think enough to get Macron's nose ahead of Fillon for a moment.
    For a moment maybe but the election is still almost 2 months away, it will be touch and go who makes the runoff between them in my view until then
  • SeanT said:

    Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!

    The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.

    Yep. Can't argue with that.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
    Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.
    Indeed, of course in 2007 Bayrou came close to overtaking Royal in a few runoff polls but in the end was third
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    edited February 2017
    Calling in a favour?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343

    Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.
  • theakes said:

    Yet another local lection yesterday with the Cons coming off poor, the least said about the Lib Dems the better.

    Basingstoke
    Winklebury

    Labour 61.6% + 31.1

    Con 35.3 -10.5

    Lib Dem 3.1 -2.7

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    SeanT said:

    Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!

    The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.

    You would have thought so maybe Theresa should pay you for advice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Freggles said:

    Macron FTW

    Bayrou news? Excellent for me as he was one of the Black Swans I haven't covered in my book.
    It's all about the effect on Macron's poll numbers which were slowing.
    Bayrou's support (with conditions) might give Macron a minor boost but the latest Elabe had Fillon still reaching the runoff even without Bayrou, Bayrou failing to run boosted Macron by 1.5% and Fillon by 1% so not that much difference. Macron also needs to ensure Macron's conditions do not lead to him losing any support to Hamon given Bayrou used to be Education Minister in Balladur's and Juppe's centre right governments
    http://elabe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21022017bfmtv_lexpress_intentions-de-vote-presidentielles-vague-2.pdf
    Polling without Bayrou is going to be different now he's (a) ruled himself out affirmatively and (b) endorsed Macron.
    I don't think it will make that much difference but we will see in the next few days
    Bayrou had his day in 2007, but i don't think he amounts to much now.
    He's very big in his home town of Pau, where he comfortably won the mayoralty and MoDem dominates local government. But, outside there, not so much.
  • I think Stoke could be a very tight race between Labour and another, or anothers, I don't think the betting markets reflect that.

    I'm not expecting that another to be UKIP.

    Of course, I could be wrong, and Labour romp home.

    Lay Labour?

    I think a low turnout Labour win.

    Probably, but then Labour is led by an utter idiot and has a local candidate who's called Brexit a bucketful of shit, in one of the most heavily Leave areas in the whole country.

    If they still score a clear win, then donkeys is a label many of their voters will not unjustly be tagged with.
    Perhaps being a bit rude about Brexit doesn't evoke in these people the same paroxysms of anguish and disgust that it does in - oh, let's take a random example - some of the patrons of Ronnie Scott's.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    definitely up for it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    Pong said:
    If Corbyn gets a boost by clinging on in Copeland and Stoke despite a swing to the Tories doubt Tory MPs will complain too much
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?
  • Good evening, everyone.

    F1: Silverstone no longer for sale.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-39052326
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    And the fact that he didn't confess under torture presumably indicated that he was probably innocent so they let him go. Torture is not a good idea purely from a pragmatic point of view - never mind the moral.
  • Mr. Cyan, welcome (back?) to the site.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Pong said:
    Looks like they have their own excuse for their poor expectations management.

    Seems like these types of tactics get called useless or scandalous depending on if the target thinks they will lose or not.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2017
    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    lol typical of Roger
    Obviously, if I were the victim of a miscarriage of justice, I'd want to massacre a load of innocent people who had nothing to do with my imprisonment.
    Personally I would be too busy enjoying my million quid, like a seanT after a royalty cheque.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    dr_spyn said:

    Calling in a favour?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343

    Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.

    Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????

    Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?
  • Cyan said:

    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?

    Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!

    A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.
  • SeanT said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.
    FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.

    They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.
    Do you have some links to this? Most of what I can find is sympathetic puff pieces from the Guardian etc - its quite clear to me he was a wrong one from the start but it'd be good to get a link to this.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.
    FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.

    They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.
    Haha fair enough. I hadnt really read about him, just open to the idea that incarceration might help convert. It is supposedly happening in UK prisons, I saw a talk by Tommy Robinson w Matt Forde, and he said they are a breeding ground for Islamic terrorism
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,039
    SeanT said:

    Any rightwinger with a brain wants Labour to win both these by-elections. The least desirable outcome is two Labour defeats, and Corbyn gone. Horror!

    The ideal result is narrow-ish Labour wins in both places, over the Tories in Copeland, and UKIP in Stoke. Cementing Corbyn in place as leader, but increasing their paranoia and confusion. The LDs somehow coming 2nd somewhere would be even better. Labour would fall apart.

    I don't agree Mr T. There's currently a small but non-negligible risk that something bad happens in the world and somehow we find ourselves with Corbyn as PM.

    I'd like to see some sensible Labour-ite at their helm. I still think they'll fall apart, but their views are not completely nonsensical. Their foundations are completely rotten in my view - control of the clever in the name of the stupid, but overseen by villains. Nonetheless the recognition of social concerns etc is something of a strength for them, and I wouldn't want to see that go away.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2017
    isam said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Calling in a favour?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343

    Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.

    Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????

    Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?
    It is interesting what bbc thinks is left leaning vs right wing of the spectrum...anybody would think they were some blairite IPPR-esque organisation.
  • Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Today is a good day to be an antiquarian bookseller political nerd - I bought a good number of books from Robert Peel's library!

    Excellent news Mr Mortimer. At a guess I’d say the Ex PM was not a great Mills & Boon fan.
    Indeed not. The best thing (both commercially and historically, I'd say), was his copy of the first edition (London, 1841) of Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions: the first major book on bubbles and the psychologies of crowds.
    Charles MacKay had a gift for short, catchy tiles I see. :lol:
    Alas, it was not a presentation copy - a financial hack presenting a copy of this book to Peel before the Railway mania would almost be newsworthy.
    York to Scarborough done today :)

    And it was actually sunny in Scarborough today! South Bay much nearer to the rail station, natch.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Cyan said:

    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?

    Facing Hamon is Le Pen's route to the Presidency. However, I suspect Macron would be the biggest beneficiary of a Hamon-Melanchon pact, as it would likely drive moderate socialist voters towards him.
  • I hate to think how many calories kasper schmeichel fitbit will say he has burned by the end of 90 minutes of this game!
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    I hate to think how many calories kasper schmeichel fitbit will say he has burned by the end of 90 minutes of this game!

    https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/834495464808579083
  • SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.


    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    .
    Mr T

    To which political party will you be donating your surplus cash?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    In these turbulent times I'm not sure that historical precedent tells us much. I'm very confident Labour will win Stoke (and have laid UKIP for £100). Copeland in bad weather? Not so confident. But I'm just guessing.
  • HYUFD said:

    Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence

    Wouldn't most of the oil (for what it's still worth) be Shetland's oil and not Scotland's?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    edited February 2017
    Mr. T, plenty of betting suggestions on the by-elections if you've got bundles of cash floating around.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Evershed, just think of the trebuchets he could buy!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761

    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    Roger said:

    Isam FPT "Which came first, the torture or the terrorist?"

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/bbc-glories-death/


    That's a very good question. I'd be pissed off if I'd been incarcerated and tortured for years without trial by the self appointed world's policemen.

    If anyone was going to turn to terrorism it is likely to be them.

    Impossible for us to know if he was a wrongun pre Gitmo, but if not, it could have played a big part in turning him.
    FFS he was a terrorist from the get go. Read his bio. He went to Taliban-dommed Sudan.

    They should have quietly garrotted them all in Guantanamo, then said there was a weird scuba accident.
    Do you have some links to this? Most of what I can find is sympathetic puff pieces from the Guardian etc - its quite clear to me he was a wrong one from the start but it'd be good to get a link to this.
    The sympathetic puff pieces were from the Daily Mail who ran a campaign for his release.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694

    HYUFD said:

    Shetland Islands bid to stay in the UK if Scotland http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768331/Shetland-islands-bid-breakaway-scotland-closer-UKgets independence

    Wouldn't most of the oil (for what it's still worth) be Shetland's oil and not Scotland's?
    That is certainly what the Shetlanders will claim
  • SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,694
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyan said:

    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?

    Facing Hamon is Le Pen's route to the Presidency. However, I suspect Macron would be the biggest beneficiary of a Hamon-Melanchon pact, as it would likely drive moderate socialist voters towards him.
    I think most moderate social democratic voters are already backing Macron anyway given Hamon is a Corbynista
  • isam said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Calling in a favour?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39055343

    Hope not Hate trying it on re UKIP expenses in Thanet.

    Hope not Hate "left leaning"??????

    Can I buy for the maximum at "left leaning" and I will go in again at "left wing" and "far left"?
    It is interesting what bbc thinks is left leaning vs right wing of the spectrum...anybody would think they were some blairite IPPR-esque organisation.
    Arch-Blairite Dan Hodges is heavily involved with 'Hope not Hate' isn't he?
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited February 2017

    Cyan said:

    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?

    Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!
    The argument is that polls shouldn't be given such great importance. And he scored 4% both yesterday and the day before in the running polls by OpinionWay.

    A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.

    Why are you so sure their talks will fail?

    Meanwhile France 2, another TV channel, say they want to organise a debate among all the candidates on the ballot by the end of March; and also to give a platform to every candidate on 20 April, three days before the first round. I'm not sure whether the format for the latter event would be a debate, but a sequence of pre-recorded three-minute statements or interviews that would probably bore the living daylights out of people watching seems unlikely, so it will surely be at least something close. "I agree with Nicolas" :smile:
  • RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,039

    Mr. T, plenty of betting suggestions on the by-elections if you've got bundles of cash floating around.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Evershed, just think of the trebuchets he could buy!

    Old-fashioned tech like trebuchets seem to have become quite expensive. Did you see the costs associated with the steam train they ran recently? GBP3m apparently.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.

    Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...

    When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
    I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.
    Sensible choice. UKIP will continue as a pressure group, but I can't quite seem them replacing Labour, and to do so, they would have to go Le Pen style Left, which wouldn't suit you at all.

    I suggest a grammar-schooled TMay led Tory party is a much happier home for guys like you.

    I like the cut of her jib, apart from her tolerance of Muslim exceptionalism. Hopefully someone can teach her sense.
    I feel much more at ease with May than Cameron, even though there's no big ideological difference. Cameron just grated on me.
  • Mr. Omnium, steam trains are fantastic.

    As for cost, we can sell tickets to watch criminals be flung into the sea. It'll pay for itself and deliver justice at the same time. It's bi-winning.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited February 2017
    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    French TV network TF1 has invited five candidates to its 20 March debate: Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon, and Mélenchon. Its selection criterion is that it only asks those with more than 10% in the polls. Three of the invitees have taken exception to this: Le Pen, Fillon, and Mélenchon. I'm not sure whether the other two, Macron and Hamon, have said what their feelings are on the selection. Dupont-Aignan, the highest-polling excluded candidate, is hopping mad about it, and has called for TF1 to be boycotted. It's unclear whether the objectors will do anything more, now they have registered their opinion. But pehaps they might.

    The rule is that you can only stand in the presidential election if you get signatures from 500 mayors or other elected officials, so even if TF1 relaxed its criterion as far as it could it wouldn't have to invite dozens of candidates.

    Mélenchon or Hamon - surely more likely, Mélenchon - may soon withdraw.

    Is any pollster asking about Le Pen-Hamon in the second round?

    Dupont-Aignan is on 2%!!
    The argument is that polls shouldn't be given such great importance. And he scored 4% both yesterday and the day before in the running polls by OpinionWay.

    A Hamon-Melenchon tie-up is possible, although very unlikely.

    Why are you so sure their talks will fail?

    Meanwhile France 2, another TV channel, say they want to organise a debate among all the candidates on the ballot by the end of March; and also to give a platform to every candidate on 20 April, three days before the first round. I'm not sure whether the format for the latter event would be a debate, but a sequence of pre-recorded three-minute statements or interviews that would probably bore the living daylights out of people watching seems unlikely, so it will surely be at least something close. "I agree with Nicolas" :smile:
    http://www.liberation.fr/elections-presidentielle-legislatives-2017/2017/02/19/hamon-melenchon-c-est-mort_1549639

    Not sure if you speak French Cyan but I think the knock-out quote was Mélenchon describing the Socialist Party as a hearse...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
    agreed
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    An Article 50 Party - Count me in!
  • Pong said:
    Don't be so crude.


    When we eat babies it's it's sliced and sautéed so they melt in the mouth with a glass of port and a dresser salad on a the side.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Might a date on the w/c 13th March work for everyone?

    Cheltenham...
  • Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
    ... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Sean_F said:

    23rd June should become a public holiday

    Celebrated much like 28th June, and for similar reasons...
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120

    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
    ... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.
    And what happens iF Brexit is a disaster and consigns the UK to the crapness of outer Europe...what will we celebrate?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    a glass of port

    European muck? You'll have warm ale, and be glad of it!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    tyson said:

    And what happens iF Brexit is a disaster and consigns the UK to the crapness of outer Europe...what will we celebrate?

    Bask in the warm glow of Sovereignty...
  • Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
    You're in then?
  • I hope we're all buying new Jaguars as well?

    Mine arrives on 4th March. I'm ever so slightly excited about it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIDqd7KRSRw
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    In these turbulent times I'm not sure that historical precedent tells us much. I'm very confident Labour will win Stoke (and have laid UKIP for £100). Copeland in bad weather? Not so confident. But I'm just guessing.

    I think that you are too pesimistic over @GillTroughton in Copeland. I think she should be 4/9 rather than 9/4. A solid local candidate on local issues. I think Snell is safe in Stoke too, probably with Tories in second place. Snell was certainly a bit potty mouthed on twitter in the past (though making disparaging comments on twitter about tv shows is hardly a capital crime!) but has been sound during the campaign.

    2 Labour holds and UKIP sent packing is my prediction and betting.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    BigRich said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    An Article 50 Party - Count me in!
    Jesus..what twats you all are......

    Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday....

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    170 or so other nations/territories seem to exist perfectly well outside the EU, so don't worry. We won't drop off the sides if we sail away.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,039

    Mr. Omnium, steam trains are fantastic.

    As for cost, we can sell tickets to watch criminals be flung into the sea. It'll pay for itself and deliver justice at the same time. It's bi-winning.

    I look forwards to the LDs announcing that as their policy. I bet they give you no credit.
  • Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    I've got £100 on Labour holding Copeland and £25 on their holding Stoke. If they do, I make a profit of £237.50.

    Congratulations! I think you'll collect. I wish that weren't the case...

    When are you going to rejoin the Tories? We need more sound people in the Conservative and Unionist (Brexit) Party.
    I won't renew my UKIP subscription when it runs out, as UKIP's job is done. I'll probably join Islington Conservatives, whose Chairman is a friend.
    Sensible choice. UKIP will continue as a pressure group, but I can't quite seem them replacing Labour, and to do so, they would have to go Le Pen style Left, which wouldn't suit you at all.

    I suggest a grammar-schooled TMay led Tory party is a much happier home for guys like you.

    I like the cut of her jib, apart from her tolerance of Muslim exceptionalism. Hopefully someone can teach her sense.
    I feel much more at ease with May than Cameron, even though there's no big ideological difference. Cameron just grated on me.
    I think May is much more comfortable with her own party, its members and volunteers.

    Cameron was more comfortable with his own social set, who coincidentally also happened to be Tories, but if you weren't in you were very definitely out.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I don't normally support petitions but given the NHS is in crisis and the £350 Million per week has been disowned by leading Brexit advocates in government. Surely it is a good move to put pressure on the government to increase funding on the NHS. If the Government has a mandate for Brexit, it has a mandate to increase NHS funding by £350 Million a week:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171869
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    tyson said:

    BigRich said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    An Article 50 Party - Count me in!
    Jesus..what twats you all are......

    Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday....

    No connection. We're fighting for our independence from Hitler's successors.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.

    Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    Presumably this party will be as far away from the Metropolitan elite as possible in Brexit Central. Stoke or Sunderland?
  • BigRich said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    An Article 50 Party - Count me in!
    Good man!
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    tyson said:

    Sean_F said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Why not 23rd June?
    We hold two. We double sandwich it for extra flavour.

    One to kick off A50, one at the final whistle in early 2019. Perhaps even *another* after the end of the transition deal and the permanent arrangements kick-in.

    Oh, and one annually thereafter on 23rd June.
    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.
    ... and like the Orangemen's Day it will piss off a large part of the population, which I guess is the idea.
    And what happens iF Brexit is a disaster and consigns the UK to the crapness of outer Europe...what will we celebrate?
    Come Back Please Dave Day? Or Thanks for Giving Us PM Corbyn Day?
  • tyson said:

    BigRich said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    An Article 50 Party - Count me in!
    Jesus..what twats you all are......

    Next you'll want to be celebrating Hitler's birthday....

    Hitler believed in a highly centralised pan-European super-state :)
  • Mr. Omnium, alas. People often steal my brilliant ideas.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.

    Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).
    I really would not want to attend an event with the likes of you Mortimer and other swivel eyed loons. But have a good night...you can all mutually masturbate each other.
  • dixiedean said:

    Presumably this party will be as far away from the Metropolitan elite as possible in Brexit Central. Stoke or Sunderland?

    How about Richmond
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Sean_F said:



    23rd June should become a public holiday, like 12th July in Northern Ireland.

    We could have a unique parallel day - 52% of the population would have a day of celebration, 48% a day of mourning. Everyone would get the day off for whichever purpose they preferred :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2017
    The telegraph claim it was cuddly ken Clarke who did the compensation deal for the terrorists not May.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    So, when are we pb LEAVERS getting together for our Article 50 invocation party then?

    I'm hoping to get Alastair Meeks along as the stripper.

    I'm very up for it, as you know. But maybe we need Roge to decree it will never happen, first...
    I'd be very attempted to actually attend this party, and indeed I would pay for a dozen bottles of decent champagne to make it all flow.

    But do we hold it when A50 is declared, or when we officially Brexit in 2019?

    Either eway, my offer is genuine.

    This afternoon I made €5000 from obscure audible-book deals in France and Italy. Right now I literally have more cash coming in, than I know what do do with.

    I'm sorry if Roger, from the world of advertising, finds this vulgar. I can see his point of view. But it is the case.
    Fantastic to hear, Sir! It would also be great to finally meet you. And your offer is extremely generous.

    I understand Theresa May is targeting invocation for the meeting of the European Council on 9th or 10th March, subject to the A50 Bill receiving Royal Assent in time.

    Unfortunately, I am away skiing from 8th-12th March inclusive, so won't be around at this time. Not that it should stop you.

    Might a date on the w/c 13th or 20th March work for everyone?

    If I had to pick, provisonally Thurs 16th March (subject to A50 actually being invoked by then)
    Works for me. I'm likely to be away on the Tues/Weds, but would be around on the Thurs and could manage anywhere in the region of the Weymouth-Waterloo line.

    Would have the added benefit of annoying early Patrick's Day revellers, too. (As part Ulsterman, I'm allowed to say this).
    Wednesday 22nd is Germany vs England International Friendly... could be apt!
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