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Agree, they'd actually get around 40%. Some voters who sympathise with the Tories would feel free to vote for their second choice.RobD said:
Probably is a tad too high for the Tories, I just can't see them getting that high of a vote in a GE.AlastairMeeks said:What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".
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There's nothing non-existent about it, any more than the coming French or Dutch elections are non-existent.MarkSenior said:
True , ICM are asking people how they would vote in a non existent General Election .Sean_F said:
That's true, but also irrelevant. ICM are not asking people how they would vote in local council by-elections.MarkSenior said:
Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%Brom said:Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!
Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
If you think that the real level of party support is 26% Lib Dem to 20% Conservative, there's a bridge I'd like to sell you.0 -
Swingback does happen when there has been no swing away - otherwise Labour should have won both the 2001 and 2005 elections by bigger margins than were being indicated by the polls in midterm Neither actually came to pass..ThreeQuidder said:
https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/04/swingback-stasis-comparison-phone-vs-online-polls.html/MTimT said:
Have you factored in swing back?ThreeQuidder said:
This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except this is with them in government not opposition.
This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
From this point in the last parliament the swingback wasn't that great, the big plunge came between Feb and May 2012.0 -
Indeed, we could soon be seeing Labour falling below their 25% floor and thinking, meh...AlastairMeeks said:What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".
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Along those lines, I remember when PB would have done threads on polls with one party ahead by 15% or more.AlastairMeeks said:What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".
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Who was president for the last 8 years?JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.0 -
Yes but Oldham is about 30% EM compared to 15% in Stoke.TheScreamingEagles said:This has the feel to the run up to Oldham.
Pretty much pointer had it as Labour were deep in trouble, all the mood music was awful them.
Yet they won with an increase majority.0 -
Does the president have much power over the factors which affect crime? I'd have thought it was much more a state or city issue. In fact, as that article points out, crime in some big cities such as New York and LA has continued to fall.SeanT said:Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.
History will eventually judge him quite harshly.0 -
Hmm I regret I paid taxes - and still do - to pay for self righteous people like you. The utter scornful superiority of your post suggests you would last 5 minutes in the world which funded your salary..Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.0 -
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.MTimT said:
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
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So the people working minimum wage on the shop floor are doing it for greed? Ridiculous!Innocent_Abroad said:
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.MTimT said:
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.0 -
If the solitude gets too much, holler. I'm sure the Good Lady Wifi would rustle up one her "best restaurant in Devon that isn't a restaurant" meals in her Cathedral of Fine Dining. Just not Friday.SeanT said:
HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.JosiasJessop said:
I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ...Scott_P said:
Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...JosiasJessop said:May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.
I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.
A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
PS. It's stopped drizzling here in Devon. Although, maybe not on Dartmoor. Law unto itself that place. On so many levels.0 -
"Ireland PM Enda Kenny expected to resign over police scandal "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/20/ireland-pm-enda-kenny-fine-gael-expected-resign-police-scandal
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Plus, it just feels so much worse for Labour now than around Oldham. Oldham was before they had fvcked up Brexit.AndyJS said:
Yes but Oldham is about 30% EM compared to 15% in Stoke.TheScreamingEagles said:This has the feel to the run up to Oldham.
Pretty much pointer had it as Labour were deep in trouble, all the mood music was awful them.
Yet they won with an increase majority.0 -
Your response leaves me baffled. Both paras. The second seems a complete non sequitor to the other posts in the thread.Innocent_Abroad said:
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.MTimT said:
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.0 -
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For some reason the BBC pronunciation of Mosul in Iraq seems to be moving closer to that of Mousehole in Cornwall.0 -
ICM has had its share of outliers too - a week before the 1997 election they had Labour's poll lead down to 5% - and caused some nervousness in Labour ranks - yet Labour went on to win by 13%. ICM has always had a tendency to understate Labour and its most recent adjutments reinforce that.ThreeQuidder said:0 -
Lords debate starting soon. Looks like BBC Parliament isn't covering it based on their schedule? Can watch on parliamentlive.tv though.0
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Correctionjustin124 said:
Swingback does happen when there has been no swing away - otherwise Labour should have won both the 2001 and 2005 elections by bigger margins than were being indicated by the polls in midterm Neither actually came to pass..ThreeQuidder said:
https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/04/swingback-stasis-comparison-phone-vs-online-polls.html/MTimT said:
Have you factored in swing back?ThreeQuidder said:
This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except this is with them in government not opposition.
This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
From this point in the last parliament the swingback wasn't that great, the big plunge came between Feb and May 2012.
Swingback does NOT happen when there has been no swing away !0 -
Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.ThreeQuidder said:
Who was president for the last 8 years?JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:
http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/
This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?
t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?0 -
Apologies if I have missed this being answered already, but has there yet been any explanation of the cartoon ion the article five threads ago? Who were the people in the cartoon, and who is Geoffrey?0
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Some stats on Obama's crime legacy.SeanT said:
Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/
As an aside... I don't think the link between President and crime is all that strong.
Crime seems to be driven by broader trends....0 -
How on earth would you know if you've never worked in the private sector ?Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
The very definition of irrational prejudice.
As someone with some experience of both, I'd say that you meet a fairly similar cross section of humanity, from saints to sociopaths, in both sectors.0 -
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Nope I certainly do not believe the real level of support is LD 26% Con 24% nor do I believe it is 44% Con 8% Lib Dem . The French and Dutch elections have dates in a few weeks when is the next UK GE ?Sean_F said:
There's nothing non-existent about it, any more than the coming French or Dutch elections are non-existent.MarkSenior said:
True , ICM are asking people how they would vote in a non existent General Election .Sean_F said:
That's true, but also irrelevant. ICM are not asking people how they would vote in local council by-elections.MarkSenior said:
Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%Brom said:Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!
Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
If you think that the real level of party support is 26% Lib Dem to 20% Conservative, there's a bridge I'd like to sell you.0 -
Good afternoon, my fellow S&M enthusiasts.
Corbyn, unpopular? Surely fake news?0 -
Hadn't you heard, factchecks are also now accounted to be part of the quivering, shifting mass of f**e n*ws.rkrkrk said:
Some stats on Obama's crime legacy.SeanT said:
Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/
As an aside... I don't think the link between President and crime is all that strong.
Crime seems to be driven by broader trends....
Random assertion unrestrained by any objective measure is the way ahead.0 -
Yes it will. But... to be a bit fair the gun crime stats are largely confined to democrat controlled large cities. This is a broader failing of the left in America rather than Obama alone. You can't wholly blame him for the shithole that eg Chicago has become. He is of that crowd but not in control of it.SeanT said:
Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
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No going though until he's had his St Paddy's trip to America to meet Trump!Richard_Nabavi said:"Ireland PM Enda Kenny expected to resign over police scandal "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/20/ireland-pm-enda-kenny-fine-gael-expected-resign-police-scandal0 -
JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.
Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?0 -
It's the Enda Kenny.Richard_Nabavi said:"Ireland PM Enda Kenny expected to resign over police scandal "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/20/ireland-pm-enda-kenny-fine-gael-expected-resign-police-scandal0 -
Not really - to Win she would need at least 10% of Fillon/ anti Pen voters to switch. After all 52-48 is regarded as an overwhelming victory in some places. She would need a black swan event, which we hope will never happen. (Although look at the invasion of Ceuta).RobD said:
Squeaky bum time for the French establishment?AndyJS said:"Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ 2h2 hours ago
In latest Opinion Way poll Marine Le Pen makes 2nd round & polls 42% (her highest yet vs Macron) or 44% (vs Fillon)"
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This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.Innocent_Abroad said:
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.MTimT said:
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.0 -
Based on that poll she'd only need 6% to switch from Fillon, and anyway I was referring mainly to the trend.weejonnie said:
Not really - to Win she would need at least 10% of Fillon/ anti Pen voters to switch. After all 52-48 is regarded as an overwhelming victory in some places. She would need a black swan event, which we hope will never happen. (Although look at the invasion of Ceuta).RobD said:
Squeaky bum time for the French establishment?AndyJS said:"Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ 2h2 hours ago
In latest Opinion Way poll Marine Le Pen makes 2nd round & polls 42% (her highest yet vs Macron) or 44% (vs Fillon)"
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The freakonomics guy argued increased availability of abortion IIRC... But that may have been disproved...JosiasJessop said:
Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.ThreeQuidder said:
Who was president for the last 8 years?JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:
http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/
This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?
t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?0 -
Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!0
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I was just thinking the same thing - a whole week with no human company at all and a wild landscape to enjoy solitude in. What bliss! But then, I have a houseful of small daughters. Whom, of course, I love dearly, and who would make the solitude all the more enjoyable with the knowledge that I had them to return to. (Actually, the last time I was away from them, 36 hours was about as long as I lasted before I was pining to return to them.) Still, a whole week alone in a wild British landscape. What a treat. I hope you've got a good supply of beer / whisky / wine to enjoy in the evening.JosiasJessop said:
Hope you enjoy the trip. I'm quite jealous - after two and a half years looking after a child, I'd love to get away for a week on my own, even if it meant staying in a tent on Dartmoor. In fact, especially if it involved staying in a tent on Dartmoor ...SeanT said:
HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.JosiasJessop said:
I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ...Scott_P said:
Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...JosiasJessop said:May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.
I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.
A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
I recently read The Fire Child. Sadly I didn't find it anywhere near as good as the Ice Twins: oddly you didn't really capture the essence of Cornwall well, at least in my eyes. Perhaps you were overly familiar with it? Also, the underlying mystery didn't feel as strong.
Still an enjoyable read though. Thanks.
Sean, my favourite location you've written about was Heysham. No other author to my knowledge has included the Heysham - Isle of Man ferry in a novel, nor used its choice over the Liverpool ferry as a plot device.0 -
As a very young child I have a memory of going on a day-trip to Isle of Man on a ferry. I believe it was from Cleveleys (N. Blackpool) though.Cookie said:
I was just thinking the same thing - a whole week with no human company at all and a wild landscape to enjoy solitude in. What bliss! But then, I have a houseful of small daughters. Whom, of course, I love dearly, and who would make the solitude all the more enjoyable with the knowledge that I had them to return to. (Actually, the last time I was away from them, 36 hours was about as long as I lasted before I was pining to return to them.) Still, a whole week alone in a wild British landscape. What a treat. I hope you've got a good supply of beer / whisky / wine to enjoy in the evening.JosiasJessop said:
Hope you enjoy the trip. I'm quite jealous - after two and a half years looking after a child, I'd love to get away for a week on my own, even if it meant staying in a tent on Dartmoor. In fact, especially if it involved staying in a tent on Dartmoor ...SeanT said:
HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.JosiasJessop said:
I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ...Scott_P said:
Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...JosiasJessop said:May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.
I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.
A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
I recently read The Fire Child. Sadly I didn't find it anywhere near as good as the Ice Twins: oddly you didn't really capture the essence of Cornwall well, at least in my eyes. Perhaps you were overly familiar with it? Also, the underlying mystery didn't feel as strong.
Still an enjoyable read though. Thanks.
Sean, my favourite location you've written about was Heysham. No other author to my knowledge has included the Heysham - Isle of Man ferry in a novel, nor used its choice over the Liverpool ferry as a plot device.0 -
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
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There's a bit more to it than that, this has just affected the timing. The stress of it though is highlighted by Enda appearing on TV without his hair being lacquered in position.Richard_Nabavi said:"Ireland PM Enda Kenny expected to resign over police scandal "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/20/ireland-pm-enda-kenny-fine-gael-expected-resign-police-scandal
Given the current opinion polls, we could easily see a simple reversal of the current position with FF replacing FG. What would really be useful is if an election rid the Dail of the some of the most parochial and, to be charitable, colourful independents that I've yet seen. That looks unlikely.0 -
I do rather wonder if it would actually be in May's interests to lose narrowly in Copeland.
I think back to Eastleigh - the biggest bum steer from a by-election in recent times. It convinced the Lib Dems that the polls were wrong, and that a "56 by-elections" strategy was the way to go. That was a disastrous miscalculation.
If Labour hold both by-elections, it will fuel the "it'll be alright on the night - ignore the MSM" tendency in Labour.
The calculation is different for UKIP in Stoke, of course. They need their leader in Parliament to emerge from Farage's big shadow, and to make their strategy against Labour look credible to funders.0 -
Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?TheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
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She can bully them merely by her presence? ImpressiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
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Indeed.notme said:
Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?TheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
As for mandateless... I trust an eighteen point lead in the polls are de facto a mandate for her and her government.
Of course if a general election is desired to deliver a firmer mandate... by all means let's crack on with that - indeed I have a feeling May is minded to do just that if the Lords block Brexit.0 -
Mr. Eagles, given your query last thread, I take it that's a note of approval in your voice?
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"I can kill you with a single thought...."RobD said:
She can bully them merely by her presence? ImpressiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw0 -
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YesMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, given your query last thread, I take it that's a note of approval in your voice?
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Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert
Scotland
Con: 31
Lab: 20
SNP: 38
LibD: 5
UKIP: 3
Green:3
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Although interestingly the murder rate has stayed very low in New York.PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY0 -
Mr. JS, isn't that due to far better resourced and more active policing?0
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Hah! BrilliantMarqueeMark said:
"I can kill you with a single thought...."RobD said:
She can bully them merely by her presence? ImpressiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw0 -
Well quite - but Obama was half Black and a Democrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!MTimT said:JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.
Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?
FFS - anyone with eyes can see the horrors these residents endure, whilst middle class whites from Georgetown parade their virtue.0 -
Since mansplaining is a man condescendingly telling a woman what things mean, I assume trumplaining means the media is condescendingly telling people what trump's words mean rather than just quoting his words verbatim?kjh said:
He means it.Animal_pb said:
This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.Innocent_Abroad said:
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.MTimT said:
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.Innocent_Abroad said:
I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.notme said:
You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?Innocent_Abroad said:Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.
Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.0 -
I heard that across the pondCarlottaVance said:Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert
Scotland
Con: 31
Lab: 20
SNP: 38
LibD: 5
UKIP: 3
Green:3
(Health warning, base size 145...)
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Why are these pollsters able to find Scon voters so easily?CarlottaVance said:Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert
Scotland
Con: 31
Lab: 20
SNP: 38
LibD: 5
UKIP: 3
Green:3
(Health warning, base size 145...)0 -
Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk
Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.0 -
Do those Mayors have powers on gun control ?MTimT said:JosiasJessop said:
Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."PlatoSaid said:Dear Obama
Wall Street Journal
Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY
The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.
I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.
Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?
Or is it a state/federal issue?0 -
She's probably waiting to hear all those in receipt of EU pensions to declare their interests....RobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
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More good news:MonikerDiCanio said:Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk
Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/20/uk-borrowing-and-growth-better-than-expected-for-budget-says-report
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Indeed. The only people who elect a PM are the MPs. Mrs May has just as much a mandate as any other PM.notme said:
Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?TheScreamingEagles said:
Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PMRobD said:Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
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I see that Theresa May left the chamber when my old mate Dick Newby started speaking. I wonder why? :InnocentFace0
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N Irish always excluded. Polls are GB-only.DeClare said:
Greens are on 4% so Centre-Right hegemony 57% Progressives (sic) 38% and the rest are presumably Scots or Welsh nationalists and Northern Irish.ThreeQuidder said:
This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except this is with them in government not opposition.
This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...0 -
Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires
The good news was that no driver was harmed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39027477
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Wrong type of jobs will be the cry....MonikerDiCanio said:Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk
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That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.0 -
Nah. What you get from Remoaners to good news is "we haven't left yet" whilst of course any bad news is met by "this is because of Brexit".FrancisUrquhart said:
Wrong type of jobs will be the cry....MonikerDiCanio said:Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk
Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.0 -
These driverless vehicles are becoming so realistic, they’ll soon be collecting parking tickets.MarkHopkins said:
Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-390274770 -
He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium.PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive. 0 -
Fascinating to see how these driverless vehicles can react to things like a dog walking onto the track. Vehicles that can react to children running into the world will in the future prevent a lot of tragedies.MarkHopkins said:
Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires
The good news was that no driver was harmed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-390274770 -
Yes, I don't know why the other cities don't do the same things New York has been doing.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. JS, isn't that due to far better resourced and more active policing?
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The political journo for the Independent, reflects on the most important issues of the day..!TheScreamingEagles said:Jon Stone✔@joncstone
also does anyone else find it weird that the middle of the House of Lords is basically laid out like a shoe shop.0 -
It's so blinking obvious and has been for yonks - but the MSM are like moths to his flame.RobD said:
He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium.PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
They've lost their minds - and it's beyond funny. I've read some interesting articles on this - will dig out0 -
Someone's doing the raping ;PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts0 -
What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.kle4 said:
Since mansplaining is a man condescendingly telling a woman what things mean, I assume trumplaining means the media is condescendingly telling people what trump's words mean rather than just quoting his words verbatim?kjh said:
There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.
Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).
So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.
Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.
He means it.
Cheers kle4, that has helped. Didn't know that. But rest is still not that clear. Why 'on'? Doesn't that contradict a verbatim report? And what is all the stuff about seeing what's in his heart. Just seems a nonsense bunch of words.
This is an extract of DT's verbatim words:
"But I met Mike Pompeo, and it was the only guy I met. I didn’t want to meet anybody else. I said, cancel everybody else. Cancel. Now, he was approved, essentially, but they're doing little political games with me. He was one of the three. Now, last night, as you know, General Mattis, fantastic guy, and General Kelly got approved. (Applause.) And Mike Pompeo was supposed to be in that group. It was going to be the three of them. Can you imagine all of these guys? People respect you know, they respect that military sense. All my political people, they're not doing so well. The political people aren’t doing so well but you. We're going to get them all through, but some will take a little bit longer than others."0 -
ICYMI
Donald J Trump
Give the public a break - The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!0 -
Whoops kle4 my apologies. I didn't write from 'what a load of' to 'he means it'
Sounds like I was being rude to you, but I just can't cut and paste properly.
I was actually thanking you. Oh dear!0 -
My post should have been:
Cheers kle4, that has helped. Didn't know that. But rest is still not that clear. Why 'on'? Doesn't that contradict a verbatim report? And what is all the stuff about seeing what's in his heart. Just seems a nonsense bunch of words.
This is an extract of DT's verbatim words:
"But I met Mike Pompeo, and it was the only guy I met. I didn’t want to meet anybody else. I said, cancel everybody else. Cancel. Now, he was approved, essentially, but they're doing little political games with me. He was one of the three. Now, last night, as you know, General Mattis, fantastic guy, and General Kelly got approved. (Applause.) And Mike Pompeo was supposed to be in that group. It was going to be the three of them. Can you imagine all of these guys? People respect you know, they respect that military sense. All my political people, they're not doing so well. The political people aren’t doing so well but you. We're going to get them all through, but some will take a little bit longer than others."0 -
Bayrou, who was set to announce his decision today on whether or not he will stand in the French presidential election, says he will now only declare on Wednesday.
That's the same day that Macron has scheduled for revealing his budgetary framework.
So it's fairly clear he will either stand (most likely, I think) or endorse Macron.0 -
david_herdson said:
N Irish always excluded. Polls are GB-only.DeClare said:
Greens are on 4% so Centre-Right hegemony 57% Progressives (sic) 38% and the rest are presumably Scots or Welsh nationalists and Northern Irish.ThreeQuidder said:
This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except this is with them in government not opposition.
This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
Ah! thought 5% was a bit low for 'others' incidentally does anyone know what the 6th largest UK wide party is? is it still Respect?
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Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.MonikerDiCanio said:
Someone's doing the raping ;PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts0 -
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Or the desirability of American females.foxinsoxuk said:
Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.MonikerDiCanio said:
Someone's doing the raping ;PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts0 -
Simon Blackwell ✔ @simonblackwellCarlottaVance said:twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537
@MichaelPDeacon "Nice chamber you got here, be a shame if anything...happened to it."
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A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.foxinsoxuk said:
Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.MonikerDiCanio said:
Someone's doing the raping ;PlatoSaid said:
That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.kjh said:
The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.
He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.
Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts0 -
Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.Brom said:
With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).MarkSenior said:
Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%Brom said:Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!
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I think it may be a rest stop for the aged and infirm Lords making their way to their seatsTheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
So what he's saying is, Breitbart's got more wankers than Pornhub? Shocked by that.
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/8336326508374958100
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