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  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".

    Probably is a tad too high for the Tories, I just can't see them getting that high of a vote in a GE.
    Agree, they'd actually get around 40%. Some voters who sympathise with the Tories would feel free to vote for their second choice.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734
    edited February 2017

    Sean_F said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    That's true, but also irrelevant. ICM are not asking people how they would vote in local council by-elections.
    True , ICM are asking people how they would vote in a non existent General Election .
    There's nothing non-existent about it, any more than the coming French or Dutch elections are non-existent.

    If you think that the real level of party support is 26% Lib Dem to 20% Conservative, there's a bridge I'd like to sell you.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    MTimT said:

    This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.

    Except this is with them in government not opposition.

    This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
    Have you factored in swing back? ;)
    https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/04/swingback-stasis-comparison-phone-vs-online-polls.html/

    From this point in the last parliament the swingback wasn't that great, the big plunge came between Feb and May 2012.
    Swingback does happen when there has been no swing away - otherwise Labour should have won both the 2001 and 2005 elections by bigger margins than were being indicated by the polls in midterm Neither actually came to pass..
  • What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".

    Indeed, we could soon be seeing Labour falling below their 25% floor and thinking, meh...
  • What's really notable about this poll is its normality. You don't look at it and think "wow, it must be an outlier".

    Along those lines, I remember when PB would have done threads on polls with one party ahead by 15% or more.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    This has the feel to the run up to Oldham.

    Pretty much pointer had it as Labour were deep in trouble, all the mood music was awful them.

    Yet they won with an increase majority.

    Yes but Oldham is about 30% EM compared to 15% in Stoke.
  • SeanT said:

    Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.

    History will eventually judge him quite harshly.

    Does the president have much power over the factors which affect crime? I'd have thought it was much more a state or city issue. In fact, as that article points out, crime in some big cities such as New York and LA has continued to fall.
  • notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    Hmm I regret I paid taxes - and still do - to pay for self righteous people like you. The utter scornful superiority of your post suggests you would last 5 minutes in the world which funded your salary..
  • MTimT said:

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    MTimT said:

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
    So the people working minimum wage on the shop floor are doing it for greed? Ridiculous!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.

    Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...
    I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ... ;)
    HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.

    I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.

    A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
    If the solitude gets too much, holler. I'm sure the Good Lady Wifi would rustle up one her "best restaurant in Devon that isn't a restaurant" meals in her Cathedral of Fine Dining. Just not Friday.

    PS. It's stopped drizzling here in Devon. Although, maybe not on Dartmoor. Law unto itself that place. On so many levels.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    AndyJS said:

    This has the feel to the run up to Oldham.

    Pretty much pointer had it as Labour were deep in trouble, all the mood music was awful them.

    Yet they won with an increase majority.

    Yes but Oldham is about 30% EM compared to 15% in Stoke.
    Plus, it just feels so much worse for Labour now than around Oldham. Oldham was before they had fvcked up Brexit.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
    Your response leaves me baffled. Both paras. The second seems a complete non sequitor to the other posts in the thread.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    For some reason the BBC pronunciation of Mosul in Iraq seems to be moving closer to that of Mousehole in Cornwall.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Brom said:

    Oh just re-read, highest lead since 1983! Mind boggling.

    Mori also had a lead of 18% last Autumn.
    Mori has always been susceptible to outliers, it was them who came up with the 52% "Con Gain Glasgow" poll in the Gordon Brown era.
    ICM has had its share of outliers too - a week before the 1997 election they had Labour's poll lead down to 5% - and caused some nervousness in Labour ranks - yet Labour went on to win by 13%. ICM has always had a tendency to understate Labour and its most recent adjutments reinforce that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    Lords debate starting soon. Looks like BBC Parliament isn't covering it based on their schedule? Can watch on parliamentlive.tv though.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    justin124 said:

    MTimT said:

    This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.

    Except this is with them in government not opposition.

    This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
    Have you factored in swing back? ;)
    https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2015/04/swingback-stasis-comparison-phone-vs-online-polls.html/

    From this point in the last parliament the swingback wasn't that great, the big plunge came between Feb and May 2012.
    Swingback does happen when there has been no swing away - otherwise Labour should have won both the 2001 and 2005 elections by bigger margins than were being indicated by the polls in midterm Neither actually came to pass..
    Correction
    Swingback does NOT happen when there has been no swing away !
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,969

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
    Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.

    In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:

    http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/

    This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?

    t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Apologies if I have missed this being answered already, but has there yet been any explanation of the cartoon ion the article five threads ago? Who were the people in the cartoon, and who is Geoffrey?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.

    History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
    Some stats on Obama's crime legacy.
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/

    As an aside... I don't think the link between President and crime is all that strong.
    Crime seems to be driven by broader trends....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,003

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    How on earth would you know if you've never worked in the private sector ?
    The very definition of irrational prejudice.

    As someone with some experience of both, I'd say that you meet a fairly similar cross section of humanity, from saints to sociopaths, in both sectors.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    It begins!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    That's true, but also irrelevant. ICM are not asking people how they would vote in local council by-elections.
    True , ICM are asking people how they would vote in a non existent General Election .
    There's nothing non-existent about it, any more than the coming French or Dutch elections are non-existent.

    If you think that the real level of party support is 26% Lib Dem to 20% Conservative, there's a bridge I'd like to sell you.
    Nope I certainly do not believe the real level of support is LD 26% Con 24% nor do I believe it is 44% Con 8% Lib Dem . The French and Dutch elections have dates in a few weeks when is the next UK GE ?
  • Good afternoon, my fellow S&M enthusiasts.

    Corbyn, unpopular? Surely fake news?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,379
    edited February 2017
    rkrkrk said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.

    History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
    Some stats on Obama's crime legacy.
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/

    As an aside... I don't think the link between President and crime is all that strong.
    Crime seems to be driven by broader trends....
    Hadn't you heard, factchecks are also now accounted to be part of the quivering, shifting mass of f**e n*ws.
    Random assertion unrestrained by any objective measure is the way ahead.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!
  • SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Obama's legacy on crime and race is one of the worst of any modern president. His legacy on foreign policy is the 2nd worst in modern times, after Dubya Bush.

    History will eventually judge him quite harshly.
    Yes it will. But... to be a bit fair the gun crime stats are largely confined to democrat controlled large cities. This is a broader failing of the left in America rather than Obama alone. You can't wholly blame him for the shithole that eg Chicago has become. He is of that crowd but not in control of it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    No going though until he's had his St Paddy's trip to America to meet Trump!
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.

    All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.

    Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
    Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
    Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
    Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?
  • It's the Enda Kenny.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Matthew Goodwin ‏@GoodwinMJ 2h2 hours ago

    In latest Opinion Way poll Marine Le Pen makes 2nd round & polls 42% (her highest yet vs Macron) or 44% (vs Fillon)"

    http://bit.ly/2m3xMVw

    Squeaky bum time for the French establishment?
    Not really - to Win she would need at least 10% of Fillon/ anti Pen voters to switch. After all 52-48 is regarded as an overwhelming victory in some places. She would need a black swan event, which we hope will never happen. (Although look at the invasion of Ceuta).
  • MTimT said:

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
    This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Matthew Goodwin ‏@GoodwinMJ 2h2 hours ago

    In latest Opinion Way poll Marine Le Pen makes 2nd round & polls 42% (her highest yet vs Macron) or 44% (vs Fillon)"

    http://bit.ly/2m3xMVw

    Squeaky bum time for the French establishment?
    Not really - to Win she would need at least 10% of Fillon/ anti Pen voters to switch. After all 52-48 is regarded as an overwhelming victory in some places. She would need a black swan event, which we hope will never happen. (Although look at the invasion of Ceuta).
    Based on that poll she'd only need 6% to switch from Fillon, and anyway I was referring mainly to the trend.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
    Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.

    In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:

    http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/

    This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?

    t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?
    The freakonomics guy argued increased availability of abortion IIRC... But that may have been disproved...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    edited February 2017
    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.

    Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...
    I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ... ;)
    HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.

    I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.

    A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
    Hope you enjoy the trip. I'm quite jealous - after two and a half years looking after a child, I'd love to get away for a week on my own, even if it meant staying in a tent on Dartmoor. In fact, especially if it involved staying in a tent on Dartmoor ... :)

    I recently read The Fire Child. Sadly I didn't find it anywhere near as good as the Ice Twins: oddly you didn't really capture the essence of Cornwall well, at least in my eyes. Perhaps you were overly familiar with it? Also, the underlying mystery didn't feel as strong.

    Still an enjoyable read though. Thanks.
    I was just thinking the same thing - a whole week with no human company at all and a wild landscape to enjoy solitude in. What bliss! But then, I have a houseful of small daughters. Whom, of course, I love dearly, and who would make the solitude all the more enjoyable with the knowledge that I had them to return to. (Actually, the last time I was away from them, 36 hours was about as long as I lasted before I was pining to return to them.) Still, a whole week alone in a wild British landscape. What a treat. I hope you've got a good supply of beer / whisky / wine to enjoy in the evening.

    Sean, my favourite location you've written about was Heysham. No other author to my knowledge has included the Heysham - Isle of Man ferry in a novel, nor used its choice over the Liverpool ferry as a plot device.
  • Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    May's not having a honeymoon. She's having a year-long holiday with her new husband, staying in the best hotels, and with lots of great sex. It's the ultra-honeymoon. It makes normal honeymoons seem like a wet winter's weekend in Grimsby.

    Sounds like a SeanT anecdote...
    I was trying to work him into it, but decided the thought of SeanT and May on a sex-laden holiday together slightly too disturbing. Also, I doubt she does any drugs ... ;)
    HMM. At this very moment i am headed on a train down to drizzly Devon, where I am spending a week on my own in a cottage in the middle of Dartmoor. Researching the feeling of the isolating moorland winter for my new thriller. And I'll be writing the thriller, too.

    I doubt i will have a real human conversation, face to face, for the entire week.

    A boozy weekend in Grimsby doesn't seem so bad right now. As an alternative.
    Hope you enjoy the trip. I'm quite jealous - after two and a half years looking after a child, I'd love to get away for a week on my own, even if it meant staying in a tent on Dartmoor. In fact, especially if it involved staying in a tent on Dartmoor ... :)

    I recently read The Fire Child. Sadly I didn't find it anywhere near as good as the Ice Twins: oddly you didn't really capture the essence of Cornwall well, at least in my eyes. Perhaps you were overly familiar with it? Also, the underlying mystery didn't feel as strong.

    Still an enjoyable read though. Thanks.
    I was just thinking the same thing - a whole week with no human company at all and a wild landscape to enjoy solitude in. What bliss! But then, I have a houseful of small daughters. Whom, of course, I love dearly, and who would make the solitude all the more enjoyable with the knowledge that I had them to return to. (Actually, the last time I was away from them, 36 hours was about as long as I lasted before I was pining to return to them.) Still, a whole week alone in a wild British landscape. What a treat. I hope you've got a good supply of beer / whisky / wine to enjoy in the evening.

    Sean, my favourite location you've written about was Heysham. No other author to my knowledge has included the Heysham - Isle of Man ferry in a novel, nor used its choice over the Liverpool ferry as a plot device.
    As a very young child I have a memory of going on a day-trip to Isle of Man on a ferry. I believe it was from Cleveleys (N. Blackpool) though.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
  • RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    There's a bit more to it than that, this has just affected the timing. The stress of it though is highlighted by Enda appearing on TV without his hair being lacquered in position.

    Given the current opinion polls, we could easily see a simple reversal of the current position with FF replacing FG. What would really be useful is if an election rid the Dail of the some of the most parochial and, to be charitable, colourful independents that I've yet seen. That looks unlikely.
  • I do rather wonder if it would actually be in May's interests to lose narrowly in Copeland.

    I think back to Eastleigh - the biggest bum steer from a by-election in recent times. It convinced the Lib Dems that the polls were wrong, and that a "56 by-elections" strategy was the way to go. That was a disastrous miscalculation.

    If Labour hold both by-elections, it will fuel the "it'll be alright on the night - ignore the MSM" tendency in Labour.

    The calculation is different for UKIP in Stoke, of course. They need their leader in Parliament to emerge from Farage's big shadow, and to make their strategy against Labour look credible to funders.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    She can bully them merely by her presence? Impressive :smiley:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
    Note I said near... :D
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
    I though she was in Stoke!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    justin124 said:

    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
    I though she was in Stoke!
    Probably flew back.
  • notme said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?
    Indeed.

    As for mandateless... I trust an eighteen point lead in the polls are de facto a mandate for her and her government.

    Of course if a general election is desired to deliver a firmer mandate... by all means let's crack on with that - indeed I have a feeling May is minded to do just that if the Lords block Brexit.
  • Mr. Eagles, given your query last thread, I take it that's a note of approval in your voice? :p
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,264
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    She can bully them merely by her presence? Impressive :smiley:
    "I can kill you with a single thought...."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,056
    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
    I though she was in Stoke!
    Must be a secret passageway.
  • RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Well when you have to go, you have to go.

    I'll get my coat.
    I though she was in Stoke!
    Probably flew back.
    Stoke is only an hour and a half by train to London.
  • Mr. Eagles, given your query last thread, I take it that's a note of approval in your voice? :p

    Yes
  • Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert

    Scotland
    Con: 31
    Lab: 20
    SNP: 38
    LibD: 5
    UKIP: 3
    Green:3

    (Health warning, base size 145...)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Although interestingly the murder rate has stayed very low in New York.
  • Mr. JS, isn't that due to far better resourced and more active policing?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    She can bully them merely by her presence? Impressive :smiley:
    "I can kill you with a single thought...."

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
    Hah! Brilliant
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.

    All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.

    Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
    Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
    Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
    Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?
    Well quite - but Obama was half Black and a Democrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FFS - anyone with eyes can see the horrors these residents endure, whilst middle class whites from Georgetown parade their virtue.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    Since mansplaining is a man condescendingly telling a woman what things mean, I assume trumplaining means the media is condescendingly telling people what trump's words mean rather than just quoting his words verbatim?
    Animal_pb said:

    MTimT said:

    notme said:

    Labour is finished. Social democracy likewise. The political space is now monopolised by selfishness.

    You think people vote for a party who promises to takes money away from people who are richer than and give some if it to themselves, is not selfish? Or to take money away from those that operate in the private sector to spend more on public services where they work ?

    Don't be under any illusion that many people vote for more taxation for anything other than hard pure self interest.
    I am retired now but I always refused to work in the private sector. The only reason anyone works there is greed. What I didn't appreciate at the time was how many public sector workers were also full of greed.
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.
    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.
    This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.
    He means it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert

    Scotland
    Con: 31
    Lab: 20
    SNP: 38
    LibD: 5
    UKIP: 3
    Green:3

    (Health warning, base size 145...)

    I heard that across the pond :o
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert

    Scotland
    Con: 31
    Lab: 20
    SNP: 38
    LibD: 5
    UKIP: 3
    Green:3

    (Health warning, base size 145...)

    Why are these pollsters able to find Scon voters so easily?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited February 2017
    Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,

    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk

    Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.
  • MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.

    All those cities have Democratic governments, and have had for many a year.

    Milwaukee; Democratic mayor since 1960
    Chicago; Democratic mayor since 1931
    Baltimore:; Democratic mayor since 1967
    Memphis; Democratic mayor since 1960?
    Do those Mayors have powers on gun control ?

    Or is it a state/federal issue?
  • RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    She's probably waiting to hear all those in receipt of EU pensions to declare their interests....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,

    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk

    Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.

    More good news:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/20/uk-borrowing-and-growth-better-than-expected-for-budget-says-report

    Maybe these experts aren't too bad after all... :smiley:
  • notme said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed Theresa May sitting very near the throne in the Lords chamber!

    Constitutional bullying by the unelected/mandateless PM
    Aren't all prime ministers unelected, except by their constituency?
    Indeed. The only people who elect a PM are the MPs. Mrs May has just as much a mandate as any other PM.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2017
    I see that Theresa May left the chamber when my old mate Dick Newby started speaking. I wonder why? :InnocentFace
  • DeClare said:

    This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.

    Except this is with them in government not opposition.

    This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
    Greens are on 4% so Centre-Right hegemony 57% Progressives (sic) 38% and the rest are presumably Scots or Welsh nationalists and Northern Irish.
    N Irish always excluded. Polls are GB-only.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires

    The good news was that no driver was harmed...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39027477

  • Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,

    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk

    Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.

    Wrong type of jobs will be the cry....
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
  • Amazon to create 5,000 new jobs in Brexit Britain,

    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/amazon-says-to-create-5000-jobs-in-uk

    Should help calm the nerves of the Remainiacs.

    Wrong type of jobs will be the cry....
    Nah. What you get from Remoaners to good news is "we haven't left yet" whilst of course any bad news is met by "this is because of Brexit".

  • Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39027477

    These driverless vehicles are becoming so realistic, they’ll soon be collecting parking tickets.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium. :smiley:

  • Driverless Roborace car crashes at speed in Buenos Aires

    The good news was that no driver was harmed...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39027477

    Fascinating to see how these driverless vehicles can react to things like a dog walking onto the track. Vehicles that can react to children running into the world will in the future prevent a lot of tragedies.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Mr. JS, isn't that due to far better resourced and more active policing?

    Yes, I don't know why the other cities don't do the same things New York has been doing.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited February 2017

    Jon Stone✔@joncstone

    also does anyone else find it weird that the middle of the House of Lords is basically laid out like a shoe shop.

    The political journo for the Independent, reflects on the most important issues of the day..!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium. :smiley:
    It's so blinking obvious and has been for yonks - but the MSM are like moths to his flame.

    They've lost their minds - and it's beyond funny. I've read some interesting articles on this - will dig out
  • PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,056
    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    Since mansplaining is a man condescendingly telling a woman what things mean, I assume trumplaining means the media is condescendingly telling people what trump's words mean rather than just quoting his words verbatim?
    What a load of unvarnished bollocks. I think you view says more about yourself than about others.

    There are plenty of people in, say, the drug discovery business, or any number of innovative product and service companies, where the personal drive is to improve the world.

    Indeed, most of the research on the matter I've seen is that people who tend to be financially successful in innovative fields are so not because they seek profit, but that they are doing what they like to do and what they are driven to do, and it is that passion that helps them succeed (putting in the effort, shrugging off the setbacks, overcoming the obstacles).

    So you have it exactly the wrong way around. People who tend to be most financially successful in innovation fields are so because they were not driven by money but by passion.

    Re-read that and you'll see you've considerably over-egged your pudding.

    Frankly, the only people I care about are the ones who issue death threats. Without exception, they should be believed, and obeyed.


    This is not a brilliant medium for nuance, Mr Abroad. It's a good idea to use emoticons when you're being satirical/sarcastic/facetious.

    He means it.

    Cheers kle4, that has helped. Didn't know that. But rest is still not that clear. Why 'on'? Doesn't that contradict a verbatim report? And what is all the stuff about seeing what's in his heart. Just seems a nonsense bunch of words.

    This is an extract of DT's verbatim words:

    "But I met Mike Pompeo, and it was the only guy I met. I didn’t want to meet anybody else. I said, cancel everybody else. Cancel. Now, he was approved, essentially, but they're doing little political games with me. He was one of the three. Now, last night, as you know, General Mattis, fantastic guy, and General Kelly got approved. (Applause.) And Mike Pompeo was supposed to be in that group. It was going to be the three of them. Can you imagine all of these guys? People respect you know, they respect that military sense. All my political people, they're not doing so well. The political people aren’t doing so well but you. We're going to get them all through, but some will take a little bit longer than others."
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    ICYMI

    Donald J Trump
    Give the public a break - The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,056
    Whoops kle4 my apologies. I didn't write from 'what a load of' to 'he means it'

    Sounds like I was being rude to you, but I just can't cut and paste properly.

    I was actually thanking you. Oh dear!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,056

    My post should have been:


    Cheers kle4, that has helped. Didn't know that. But rest is still not that clear. Why 'on'? Doesn't that contradict a verbatim report? And what is all the stuff about seeing what's in his heart. Just seems a nonsense bunch of words.

    This is an extract of DT's verbatim words:

    "But I met Mike Pompeo, and it was the only guy I met. I didn’t want to meet anybody else. I said, cancel everybody else. Cancel. Now, he was approved, essentially, but they're doing little political games with me. He was one of the three. Now, last night, as you know, General Mattis, fantastic guy, and General Kelly got approved. (Applause.) And Mike Pompeo was supposed to be in that group. It was going to be the three of them. Can you imagine all of these guys? People respect you know, they respect that military sense. All my political people, they're not doing so well. The political people aren’t doing so well but you. We're going to get them all through, but some will take a little bit longer than others."
  • Bayrou, who was set to announce his decision today on whether or not he will stand in the French presidential election, says he will now only declare on Wednesday.

    That's the same day that Macron has scheduled for revealing his budgetary framework.

    So it's fairly clear he will either stand (most likely, I think) or endorse Macron.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    DeClare said:

    This is starting to feel like the Gordon Brown era with Tory poll ratings that can't possibly be sustained.

    Except this is with them in government not opposition.

    This is a majority of c. 120 on existing boundaries and c. 130 on new boundaries...
    Greens are on 4% so Centre-Right hegemony 57% Progressives (sic) 38% and the rest are presumably Scots or Welsh nationalists and Northern Irish.
    N Irish always excluded. Polls are GB-only.

    Ah! thought 5% was a bit low for 'others' incidentally does anyone know what the 6th largest UK wide party is? is it still Respect?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    kjh said:

    Whoops kle4 my apologies. I didn't write from 'what a load of' to 'he means it'

    Sounds like I was being rude to you, but I just can't cut and paste properly.

    I was actually thanking you. Oh dear!

    Quoting snafus happen to the best of us!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    Or the desirability of American females.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Simon Blackwell ✔ @simonblackwell
    @MichaelPDeacon "Nice chamber you got here, be a shame if anything...happened to it."

    titters :D
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    The documentary Fox referred to

    https://youtu.be/RqaIgeQXQgI
  • PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    I think it may be a rest stop for the aged and infirm Lords making their way to their seats :lol:
  • So what he's saying is, Breitbart's got more wankers than Pornhub? Shocked by that.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833632650837495810
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