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  • I expect this has been commissioned in the same way that most management consultancy is commissioned: the results will be well-known in advance but they will be used to bolster the position of the person who has commissioned it.

    If, as reported, "no-one is supposed to know about it", and "Even the people who signed off the contract aren’t allowed to see the questions, let alone the results" then who will be 'bolstering' Corbyn's position, as no-one will have seen the poll?
    I didn't name Jeremy Corbyn.
    The Mirror did. The first sentence of Mike's piece states "The Mirror is reporting that Corbyn has commissioned a 10k sample poll to get views on his own future."
  • malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Yes, it's considered part of the punishment.

    Some US prisons sound like hellholes. Both the ones where you get raped by the other inmates, and the ones where you get locked up in solitary confinement in sound-proofed cells.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2017

    twitter.com/ihaveleftlabour/status/833713364878622721

    GOsborneGenius ‏@GOsborneGenius 2h2 hours ago

    @Kevin_Maguire You must've known this would happen
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited February 2017

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
  • Mr. Loud, welcome to the site (same chap as Mr. Cloud, perhaps?).

  • ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,058
    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Though it does seem as if many of the rapes are staff on inmate rather than inmate on inmate:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/24/prison-rape-and-government/?pagination=false

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Though it does seem as if many of the rapes are staff on inmate rather than inmate on inmate:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/24/prison-rape-and-government/?pagination=false

    Presumably that too is considered part of the punishment.
  • RobD said:

    twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Simon Blackwell ✔ @simonblackwell
    @MichaelPDeacon "Nice chamber you got here, be a shame if anything...happened to it."

    titters :D
    Mrs May has a nice line in quiet menace 'love me' Dave never had.....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Lawks, UKIP last matched at 3.95 in Stoke Central.

    What would pbers regard as a fair price for UKIP in Stoke Central right now?

    I cant see what has changed, I would have that as good value indeed.

    Surely people cant get carried away with market momentum after Trump, Brexit and NOM at GE 15? Learn the lessons!!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sue Snedacker
    Judicial Watch: Federal Court Issues Opinion Ordering Release of More #ClintonFoundation Conflict of Interest Docs https://t.co/0sz9dfI3ru
  • malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    A novel interpretation.

    United Kingdom general election, 2015 (Scotland)

    SNP - 1,454,436
    SLab - 707,147
    SCon - 434,097
    LD - 219,675

    'Scottish Tories: worst vote share in its history'

    https://tinyurl.com/gpopmkh
  • RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
    Out of the parties that won exactly one seat, they were the closest to winning a second.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    AndyJS said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Although interestingly the murder rate has stayed very low in New York.
    Broken windows policy? Gentrification? Both?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    A novel interpretation.

    United Kingdom general election, 2015 (Scotland)

    SNP - 1,454,436
    SLab - 707,147
    SCon - 434,097
    LD - 219,675

    'Scottish Tories: worst vote share in its history'

    https://tinyurl.com/gpopmkh
    Didn't do too badly in 2016 though :smiley:
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Though it does seem as if many of the rapes are staff on inmate rather than inmate on inmate:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/24/prison-rape-and-government/?pagination=false

    Presumably that too is considered part of the punishment.
    Just as well that in America, no one lands in jail for trivial reasons, or is on remand.

    Incidentally, does anyone have comparable figures for UK prisons?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,058
    RobD said:

    kjh said:

    Whoops kle4 my apologies. I didn't write from 'what a load of' to 'he means it'

    Sounds like I was being rude to you, but I just can't cut and paste properly.

    I was actually thanking you. Oh dear!

    Quoting snafus happen to the best of us!
    Thank you. Fairly impressive though to start one with 'What a load of bollocks'
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
    Out of the parties that won exactly one seat, they were the closest to winning a second.
    They were a long way behind Labour in terms of vote share.
  • So what he's saying is, Breitbart's got more wankers than Pornhub? Shocked by that.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833632650837495810

    Many of the same wankers I'd imagine..
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
  • Mrs May has upset LeftFootForward.....so it was probably a good idea.....

    https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/whats-theresa-may-doing-in-the-house-of-lords/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
    Never doubt Wiki's infallibity!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2017

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
    Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.

    In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:

    http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/

    This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?

    t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?
    Freakonomics put it down to the legalisation / normalisation of abortion...

    (Roe vs Wade was 1973)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    Mrs May has upset LeftFootForward.....so it was probably a good idea.....

    https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/whats-theresa-may-doing-in-the-house-of-lords/

    She has a country to run? I thought she had to delegate more? :smiley:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
    Never doubt Wiki's infallibity!
    I think Nuttall wrote that section :D
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    There's a gallery for MPs, or they can watch from the bar. I didn't know that Privy Councillors can actually take a seat there?

    I still think it's a very British quirk that the only person not permitted to set foot in the House of Commons is the Queen. Trump? Sure. Putin? Certainly. The Queen? Heavens, no.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    edited February 2017

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    There's a gallery for MPs, or they can watch from the bar. I didn't know that Privy Councillors can actually take a seat there?

    I still think it's a very British quirk that the only person not permitted to set foot in the House of Commons is the Queen. Trump? Sure. Putin? Certainly. The Queen? Heavens, no.
    Can you blame her for not going? The commons is so drab... :p
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,734

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Though it does seem as if many of the rapes are staff on inmate rather than inmate on inmate:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/24/prison-rape-and-government/?pagination=false

    Presumably that too is considered part of the punishment.
    Just as well that in America, no one lands in jail for trivial reasons, or is on remand.

    Incidentally, does anyone have comparable figures for UK prisons?
    A quick google search doesn't reveal very much.

    I think we lack the prison gang culture which helps to fuel rape, and our prison staff are much less vindictive than those in the US.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    kle4 said:

    Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon Alert

    Scotland
    Con: 31
    Lab: 20
    SNP: 38
    LibD: 5
    UKIP: 3
    Green:3

    (Health warning, base size 145...)

    Why are these pollsters able to find Scon voters so easily?
    They poll in Bearsden
  • Some of ‏@GOsborneGenius' tweets on Corbyn are very funny:

    @SpaJw @andrewspoooner @JolyonGreen Labours best hope is now an allotment shed fire.

    @keiranpedley If they set out to find 1000 people who rate Corbyn then there has to be a 10,000 sample size.

  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
    Out of the parties that won exactly one seat, they were the closest to winning a second.
    They were a long way behind Labour in terms of vote share.
    Which, in our system, matters not a jot...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Yes, it's considered part of the punishment.

    Some US prisons sound like hellholes. Both the ones where you get raped by the other inmates, and the ones where you get locked up in solitary confinement in sound-proofed cells.
    At the same time ?!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,004
    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
    "You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?"

    Plato's injunction against mindreading obviously doesn't apply to herself.

    It's also quite amusing, given the number of Trump supporters (Plato included ?) who've told us not to take his (weird) utterances >literally< to now be told that we should content ourselves with the media merely being presidential stenographers.

    Equally puzzled by the Trump utterances was the Swedish government itself. Should they not be allowed an opinion either ?

    I guess if you start from the assumption that Trump is omniscient, then it all makes sense....
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    CCHQ have been emailing me since Christmas every day nagging me about the opportunity in Copeland. They stopped last Thursday. I sense they have given up. 2 Labour holds
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,295
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
    Never doubt Wiki's infallibity!
    I think Nuttall wrote that section :D
    That's Pope Paul VII to you.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
    Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.

    In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:

    http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/

    This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?

    t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?
    Freakonomics put it down to the legalisation / normalisation of abortion...

    (Roe vs Wade was 1973)
    So down to the Democrats? :-)

    Presumably we could compare restrictive vs pro-choice states.

    Though the interesting crime trend in the US is the rise of drug addiction and related crimes across Red State America.

    Overall there does seem to be very little correlation of crime trend by political party:

    http://www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/crime-maps-over-time/amp/
  • theakestheakes Posts: 941
    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
    "You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?"

    Plato's injunction against mindreading obviously doesn't apply to herself.

    It's also quite amusing, given the number of Trump supporters (Plato included ?) who've told us not to take his (weird) utterances >literally< to now be told that we should content ourselves with the media merely being presidential stenographers.

    Equally puzzled by the Trump utterances was the Swedish government itself. Should they not be allowed an opinion either ?

    I guess if you start from the assumption that Trump is omniscient, then it all makes sense....
    My Son just got back from Sweden. Lots of no go areas now. Ambulances only go with Police. Trump, as always is right. Fake news protects Undemocratic liberal elite
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    theakes said:

    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?

    #Bonkers
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
    Never doubt Wiki's infallibity!
    I think Nuttall wrote that section :D
    That's Pope Paul VII to you.
    I didn't realise that you could simultaneously be the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury :o
  • ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    There's a gallery for MPs, or they can watch from the bar. I didn't know that Privy Councillors can actually take a seat there?
    On the steps of the throne

  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Dixie said:

    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
    "You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?"

    Plato's injunction against mindreading obviously doesn't apply to herself.

    It's also quite amusing, given the number of Trump supporters (Plato included ?) who've told us not to take his (weird) utterances >literally< to now be told that we should content ourselves with the media merely being presidential stenographers.

    Equally puzzled by the Trump utterances was the Swedish government itself. Should they not be allowed an opinion either ?

    I guess if you start from the assumption that Trump is omniscient, then it all makes sense....
    My Son just got back from Sweden. Lots of no go areas now. Ambulances only go with Police. Trump, as always is right. Fake news protects Undemocratic liberal elite
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/20/truth-sweden-immigration-strong-generous-country-struggling/

    from the Centre-left Telegraph
  • Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Pulpstar said:

    theakes said:

    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?

    #Bonkers
    that is bonkers. If UKIP win the number shy Kippers (Shippers, Shysters, Shitters) will be enormous.
  • Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    Could be talking about two separate places?
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
    Out of the parties that won exactly one seat, they were the closest to winning a second.
    They were a long way behind Labour in terms of vote share.
    Which, in our system, matters not a jot...
    Lolz.

    'What's that you say, I'm speaking out of my backside? Let me see if I can alter the pitch of the emanations from my butt to see if that will change your mind.'
  • Mr. Dixie, in that case, I do wonder about Swedish politics. People in such a densely populated area (or nearby, at least) will certainly be aware of the truth, even if there's an attempt to cover it up.

    *sighs* Sweden's naive generosity appears to have caused drastic, perhaps permanent, damage.

    Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis was spot on. A shame Merkel was letting her heart do the thinking whilst her brain was on holiday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,265

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Those stats are so old they almost go back to Viking times....not sure what that does to the rape stats (or the pillage stats, for that matter).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,265
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    Tories on 44%, Lib Dems on 8%. Wow!

    Real elections Jan/Feb Con 20.5% Lib Dem 26.2%
    Conservatives defended 7 seats in Jan/Feb held 2 lost 5 1 to Inds 4 to Lib Dems . 4 more seats being defended this week
    With all due respect I think the Tories will take losing a few parish councils on low turnouts if they can win a big Westminster majority. The Lib Dems are the party for Richmond Park but these figures suggest the Tories are a national party (and that now includes Scotland).
    Ha Ha Ha , yes 1 MP a party makes right enough.
    The Tories were the second party in Scotland even at the 2015 general election, and they've strengthened since then.
    They were third in 2015, unfortunately.
    Second equal in seats?
  • wasdwasd Posts: 276
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    The area by the throne is not technically part of the House of Lords so I believe any MP can loiter there with or without intent.
    Wikipedia says that bit is for Privy Councillors only.
    Never doubt Wiki's infallibity!
    I think Nuttall wrote that section :D
    That's Pope Paul VII to you.
    I didn't realise that you could simultaneously be the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury :o
    Ending 500 years of schism in a tea break was quite a feat.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Mr. Dixie, in that case, I do wonder about Swedish politics. People in such a densely populated area (or nearby, at least) will certainly be aware of the truth, even if there's an attempt to cover it up.

    *sighs* Sweden's naive generosity appears to have caused drastic, perhaps permanent, damage.

    Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis was spot on. A shame Merkel was letting her heart do the thinking whilst her brain was on holiday.

    The lad is going back next week - he is in love - I will ask for more detail.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dear Obama

    Wall Street Journal
    Murder rates in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Memphis have returned to levels not seen since the 1990s https://t.co/Rzw0lYHrDY

    Yet the first paragraph of the report says: "even as crime nationally is near historic lows."

    The story is much more complex than can be detailed in a tweet, or in your stupidly pointless two-word addition.

    I'm unsure why you appear to wish to blame Obama for this. You might want to at least partially blame the gun-obsessed Republicans.
    Who was president for the last 8 years?
    Obama. And as the article (and others) show, the crime figures over his period in office are mixed. Better in some cities, worse in others, but with generally low figures.

    In fact, congratulating or blaming any president might be rather silly, as there are long-term falls that might have little directly to do with federal policy. As an example:

    http://www.aei.org/publication/us-violent-crime-is-lowest-in-44-years-and-half-the-rate-in-1991-so-why-have-we-become-the-united-states-of-swat/

    This is rather interesting, as the UK charts seem remarkably similar. What happened in the early- to mid-nineties that may have changed behaviour?

    t'Internet? A lag from the banning of leaded petrol?
    Freakonomics put it down to the legalisation / normalisation of abortion...

    (Roe vs Wade was 1973)
    So down to the Democrats? :-)

    Presumably we could compare restrictive vs pro-choice states.

    Though the interesting crime trend in the US is the rise of drug addiction and related crimes across Red State America.

    Overall there does seem to be very little correlation of crime trend by political party:

    http://www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/crime-maps-over-time/amp/
    As I recall Freakonomics had figures showing the fall in crime starting correspondingly earlier in states which legalised abortion before 1973.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,970
    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium. :smiley:
    But it wasn't that either, and the links are hardly conclusive.

    Still, it's not as funny as Plato's claim that it was plutonium ...
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Mr. Dixie, in that case, I do wonder about Swedish politics. People in such a densely populated area (or nearby, at least) will certainly be aware of the truth, even if there's an attempt to cover it up.

    *sighs* Sweden's naive generosity appears to have caused drastic, perhaps permanent, damage.

    Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis was spot on. A shame Merkel was letting her heart do the thinking whilst her brain was on holiday.

    Indeed, you are quite correct. Our right wing politicians have lost control of their senses. Mrs May is great.
  • Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    So it's not just hearsay from an anonymous bloke on t'internet nor hearsay from his anonymous son who was visiting Sweden, it's hearsay from his anonymous son's anonymous friends in Sweden.

    That's me convinced.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    It's where they have put the immigrants, apparently
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    Pulpstar said:

    theakes said:

    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?

    #Bonkers
    If you're quick you can still get 10/1 the Tories with Bet 365 and Betfred and later today or tomorrow you should be able to lay them off on Betfair at a shorter price.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    So it's not just hearsay from an anonymous bloke on t'internet nor hearsay from his anonymous son who was visiting Sweden, it's hearsay from his anonymous son's anonymous friends in Sweden.

    That's me convinced.
    I will ask for info. Still, if the real Donald says it, and an anonymous person with a anonymous son and the Telegraph...then it must be true!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Dixie said:

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    It's where they have put the immigrants, apparently
    "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" was talking about the problem of immigration and segregation in Sweden 8-9 years ago
  • The Labour Party poll about Corbyn will be no use unless they also poll alternatives to see if any of them are more positive. If not, stick with Corbyn.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    isam said:

    Dixie said:

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    It's where they have put the immigrants, apparently
    "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" was talking about the problem of immigration and segregation in Sweden 8-9 years ago
    understandably. Muslin men were asking that blonde women cover up. Mental.
  • Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    One of the issues in the Nordic countries is the big gap in employment rates between the native born and non-native born (something mercifully Britain does better at):

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/833715690708287491
  • theakestheakes Posts: 941
    Bath Chronicle conduced survey in February if voters changed minds in Bath since the Referendum, result below:-:

    14% of Out Voters now changed to Remain
    2% of Remain now Out.

    I repeated nationally ...........





  • theakes said:

    Bath Chronicle conduced survey in February if voters changed minds in Bath since the Referendum, result below:-:

    14% of Out Voters now changed to Remain
    2% of Remain now Out.

    I repeated nationally ...........

    A survey or a voodoo poll?

  • Dixie said:

    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
    "You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?"

    Plato's injunction against mindreading obviously doesn't apply to herself.

    It's also quite amusing, given the number of Trump supporters (Plato included ?) who've told us not to take his (weird) utterances >literally< to now be told that we should content ourselves with the media merely being presidential stenographers.

    Equally puzzled by the Trump utterances was the Swedish government itself. Should they not be allowed an opinion either ?

    I guess if you start from the assumption that Trump is omniscient, then it all makes sense....
    My Son just got back from Sweden. Lots of no go areas now. Ambulances only go with Police. Trump, as always is right. Fake news protects Undemocratic liberal elite
    Wallender must be very busy at present.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    theakes said:

    Bath Chronicle conduced survey in February if voters changed minds in Bath since the Referendum, result below:-:

    14% of Out Voters now changed to Remain
    2% of Remain now Out.

    I repeated nationally ...........





    Voodoo poll.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    edited February 2017
    DeClare said:

    Pulpstar said:

    theakes said:

    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?

    #Bonkers
    If you're quick you can still get 10/1 the Tories with Bet 365 and Betfred and later today or tomorrow you should be able to lay them off on Betfair at a shorter price.
    I did that trick at 33s yesterday, Boylesports have decided that their particular £3 has made me ineligible for all of their footie and racing offers.
    They'd rather reserve those for the 98% of overall losing gamblers I guess ^_~ (Not that I have much of an idea about footie or racing other than the old back the 2nd or 3rd favourite against the short priced novice in an 8 way race each way.... )
  • RobD said:

    theakes said:

    Bath Chronicle conduced survey in February if voters changed minds in Bath since the Referendum, result below:-:

    14% of Out Voters now changed to Remain
    2% of Remain now Out.

    I repeated nationally ...........





    Voodoo poll.
    Seemed likely. Time to invoke Edmund.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    He did the same with Clinton and uranium. The fact checkers went into overdrive saying he lied, and that she didn't give away 20% of the US supply of uranium. No they cried, she gave away 20% of the US production of uranium. :smiley:
    But it wasn't that either, and the links are hardly conclusive.

    Still, it's not as funny as Plato's claim that it was plutonium ...
    I believe the argument is she had to sign off on the deal as Secretary of State. Agree it is tenuous, but it has gone from a story hardly anyone knew about to be splashed all over the internet.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    theakes said:

    See Ladbrokes: Cons NOW only 6-1 to win Stoke. Odds on UKIP suspended, what is happening?

    Low turnout, postal voting usually good for Tories, national figure for Tories good, local candidate, but most of all UKIPers going blue.

    I am feeling quite comfortable about my 8/1 with Shadsy on kippers less than 20%. 4th place at 10/1 looks OK too.

    In Stoke I laid Kippers, but have my best position on a Tory win.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    If the Tories are seriously going to come within a sniff in Stoke then it isn't 1983 Labour are looking at for a historical parallel, it is Arthur Henderson's 1931 result.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 73,004

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Including Assange, allegedly...
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    One of the issues in the Nordic countries is the big gap in employment rates between the native born and non-native born (something mercifully Britain does better at):

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/833715690708287491
    This might be because of the language barrier, many people around the world can speak enough English to get by in the UK or US, but few people outside Scandinavia can speak enough of their languages to land a job there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    kjh said:

    Whoops kle4 my apologies. I didn't write from 'what a load of' to 'he means it'

    Sounds like I was being rude to you, but I just can't cut and paste properly.

    I was actually thanking you. Oh dear!

    Don't worry abou tit.

    Edit - that's 'don't worry about it', not a mispelling of 'don't worry you tit' :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    Someone's doing the raping ;

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts
    Interesting fact that I heard the other day. USA is the only country where the reported rape rate of males is higher than females. Apparently this is accounted for by the very high incarceration rate in the USA.
    A few years ago I read a report on American prisons, and the view of American prison officers was that prison rape was one of those things prisoners had to deal with. If they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't commit crimes.
    Jesus christ. We've all probably, in a moment of weakness, considered that if someone bad has bad things happen to them in prison, that's justice, but I'd hope when reflecting, like in a report, that wouldn't come out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Actually I've often thought that. Put a back on those cushions at least!
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    kjh said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Alinos
    @mkhammer Not the press's job to Trumpsplain to the public. Take his words and report on them. They don't need to see what's in his heart!

    I'm sure I am being dim, but what does that mean?
    That the MSM pervert his words to mean what they want - in preference to reporting them.

    The whole MSM tone is to insult him as stupid, and his voters. I've seen a dozen UK MSM claim he lied about a Swedish terrorist attack - he never said anything like this - but they're glorying in a strawman they made up to knock him.

    He brought up Sweden to prod millions into Googling it. And yet again, it worked.

    Anyone daft enough to believe what the MSM say is naive.
    But surely it is the job of the media to report and interpret, not to print verbatim; they are not just taking minutes.

    I heard what he said re Sweden. True he did not say a terrorist attack, but he did refer to what had just happened. An event that had just occurred while talking about the dangers of uncontroled immigation. What event was this then?

    You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?

    You object to media interpreting what he is saying yet you are suggesting we are to interpret his meanings like you do or he is setting deliberate traps with his words that the left fall into.

    Aren't there logical contradictions there.
    "You say he brought up Sweden to prod millions into googling it. How do you know that and why?"

    Plato's injunction against mindreading obviously doesn't apply to herself.

    It's also quite amusing, given the number of Trump supporters (Plato included ?) who've told us not to take his (weird) utterances >literally< to now be told that we should content ourselves with the media merely being presidential stenographers.

    Equally puzzled by the Trump utterances was the Swedish government itself. Should they not be allowed an opinion either ?

    I guess if you start from the assumption that Trump is omniscient, then it all makes sense....
    My Son just got back from Sweden. Lots of no go areas now. Ambulances only go with Police. Trump, as always is right. Fake news protects Undemocratic liberal elite
    Wallender must be very busy at present.
    He always is. Like 'Death in Paradise', where one person per week gets murdered in tiny town!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/833708865887809537

    Is it the norm to allow Commons MPs in the House of Lords during a debate? - Et al.
    Privy Councillors are allowed in....
    I hope the same courtesy extends to Lords into the Commons. To Erskine May!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Final weekend poster/billboard count from Stoke . Still very few posters up numbers seen

    Lab circa 50
    LDem circa 20
    UKIP 2
    Anti UKIP 2
    Con 0
  • theakes said:

    Bath Chronicle conduced survey in February if voters changed minds in Bath since the Referendum, result below:-:

    14% of Out Voters now changed to Remain
    2% of Remain now Out.

    I repeated nationally ...........





    Bath was overwhelmingly Remain....14% of not a lot is not a lot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830



    Cameron's approach to the migrant crisis was spot on.

    Mostly. I still think we can take more than we said we would, but his approach was far more sensible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654

    Final weekend poster/billboard count from Stoke . Still very few posters up numbers seen

    Lab circa 50
    LDem circa 20
    UKIP 2
    Anti UKIP 2
    Con 0

    Interesting - was that all over, or were you mainly in the Hanley Park & Shelton ward/Penkhull (Which looks to me where the Lib Dem vote might be best)
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Final weekend poster/billboard count from Stoke . Still very few posters up numbers seen

    Lab circa 50
    LDem circa 20
    UKIP 2
    Anti UKIP 2
    Con 0

    what will it mean?
  • Any word on how many plane tickets wee pretendy Milo has coughed up for so far?

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833648208249249793
  • Alex Salmond lecturing Mrs May on 'fawning subservience' to Donald Trump......no hostages to fortune here, no siree!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    One of the issues in the Nordic countries is the big gap in employment rates between the native born and non-native born (something mercifully Britain does better at):

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/833715690708287491
    Amazing what a truncated axis does!

    Though worth noting that the employment rate of Swedish migrants is nearly bang on the same as native born Americans.

    Perhaps the socially conservative, workshy, quick to anger, native born Americans have more in common with Swedish immigrants than they care to admit!
  • Miss Plato, if we're using gamer analogies, Labour have nerfed themselves with every new leader.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Alex Salmond lecturing Mrs May on 'fawning subservience' to Donald Trump......no hostages to fortune here, no siree!

    hilarious
  • Any word on how many plane tickets wee pretendy Milo has coughed up for so far?

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833648208249249793

    Tim Pool ‏@Timcast 22m22 minutes ago

    Tim Pool Retweeted Paul Joseph Watson
    Thanks to @PrisonPlanet for following through on his offer to fund journalism in Sweden. We will be there very soon.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148

    Dixie said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    Mr. Pulpstar, anyone who got on the blues at 51 will be feeling rather splendid. Although surely the Popebishop of Romebury will win?

    Mr. Dixie, which part of Sweden? Just curious.

    20 minutes outside Stockholm and Malmo his friends tell him.
    Interesting, since Stockholm and Malmo are about 4 hours apart?
    One of the issues in the Nordic countries is the big gap in employment rates between the native born and non-native born (something mercifully Britain does better at):

    twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/833715690708287491
    Amazing what a truncated axis does!

    Though worth noting that the employment rate of Swedish migrants is nearly bang on the same as native born Americans.

    Perhaps the socially conservative, workshy, quick to anger, native born Americans have more in common with Swedish immigrants than they care to admit!
    I don't see what is wrong with the truncated axis when the whole point is to look at the differences between the two sets?
  • Any word on how many plane tickets wee pretendy Milo has coughed up for so far?

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833648208249249793

    He ain't wrong about Malmo...its a shit hole.
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