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UKIP now down to 30% chance in Stoke Central on Betfair. Sharp fall following the unravelling of Nuttall's Hillsborough claims pic.twitter.com/M4LEyThH6S
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"A local man for local issues. Look, here's a picture of a pothole..."0
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As your local UKIP MP" god he's not even the first to use such presumptive language.0
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3rd like Nuttall, if he is lucky!0
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"Paul will put pressure on the Council to... do what you want them to do."
Nothing like coherent campaign promises.0 -
"Ensure Stoke jobs go to Stoke workers"
Yeah, tell the people from Stafford to f*** off.
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You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
He has learned from the worst: the pothole party have been doing well at by elections for decades...williamglenn said:"A local man for local issues. Look, here's a picture of a pothole..."
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Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
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UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?0 -
And shall Trewlaney die? Here's fifty thousand Cornish men/ Will know the reason why!SeanT said:All three main UK parties are enjoying an incredible run of luck, the Tories in facing the crashing mess of Labour, their main rival, the SNP, in facing the facing the terminal mess of Labour, their main rival, and Labour, who should therefore be dead, actually surviving due to the inept crassness of UKIP, their main rival.
Arise, Sons of Cornwall, and seize the golden throne of London. It is our time, finally.0 -
Right wingers are the masters of political correctness. Very easy to offend.0
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Local housing for local people, there's nothing for you here!0
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Here are the amendments tabled so far in the Lords to the EU Exit Bill - for debate at the Lords Committee stage.
Some may be withdrawn and some may not be pushed to a vote. But, as it currently stands, here is what is going to be debated (and potentially voted for) by Peers.
Also further amendments could still be added - Committee stage isn't until Mon 27 Feb. Second Reading comes first next week.
Of course Commons will almost certainly reverse any amendments and Labour leader in the Lords has just about said they wouldn't then push any amendment a second time.
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2016-2017/0103/17103-RL.pdf0 -
It's all context.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
When talking about refugees, France is a fascist, post apocalyptic wasteland, where they sacrifice immigrants by burning them in wicker towers.
When we are talking about European integration, of culture, France is a shining beacon of liberty, intelligence etc etc.0 -
Nuttall is worse than useless. What possesses someone to lie like that?0
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Incidentally - a question for the Euronationalists.
What are you going to do about the fact that ever closer Union will break international law/treaties? Indeed it is arguable that it has already done so.0 -
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
The same rubbish (by and large) that the commons chucked out. Difficult to see a different result.MikeL said:Here are the amendments tabled so far in the Lords to the EU Exit Bill - for debate at the Lords Committee stage.
Some may be withdrawn and some may not be pushed to a vote. But, as it currently stands, here is what is going to be debated (and potentially voted for) by Peers.
Also further amendments could still be added - Committee stage isn't until Mon 27 Feb. Second Reading comes first next week.
Of course Commons will almost certainly reverse any amendments and Labour leader in the Lords has just about said they wouldn't then push any amendment a second time.
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2016-2017/0103/17103-RL.pdf0 -
So Nuttall is now local to Stoke, he is pretty much committed to fighting a Stoke seat in 2020, n'est ce pas?TheWhiteRabbit said:As your local UKIP MP" god he's not even the first to use such presumptive language.
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No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
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The unemployment claimant count fell by over 40 thousand last month, which was itself 20 thousand lower than the previous month.
A few months ago it rose slightly causing some doom predictions:
' Claimant count and tax receipts are both good early warning signs for UK outlook and neither looks good. '
' However, there could be storm clouds gathering on the horizon. The claimant count – which in a quirk of the data is a more recent figure than the unemployment rate – jumped by 9,800 in October, with September’s figure revised upwards from 700 to 5,600. All in all, it does seem likely that unemployment could tick up somewhat during the coming months, though dire predictions made in the immediate aftermath of the vote appear wide of the mark. '
' The rise in the claimant count change - which is a fairer representation of the current environment as this data point covers the period until the end of last month - takes the shine off the good news at the very least and possibly even usurps it. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/nov/16/uk-unemployment-rate-wage-growth-earnings-brexit-business-live?page=with:block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc#block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc
Now that the claimant count is falling is it still a predictive factor or have some people lost interest in it as quickly as they lost interest in the stock market indices when they went up last summer ?
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It is astonishing how little attention this story has got. It's almost as if we did not have a working opposition at all.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
Like Owen Wilson's* odds drifted in the lab leadership election? I don't think it's over but nuttals odds were to short, now they are a touch long perhaps?isam said:UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?
*I've possibly got his name wrong but he was so memorable I can't think what the damm thing was.
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Dumb argument anyway. I suspect Mortimer is in favour of Syria intervention, but is not making the trip any time soon.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
What's Stephen Crabb up to at present ?
I miss his incisive thoughts on unemployment such as this:
' The threat of a potential vote to leave the EU in June could be partly to blame for the first rise in unemployment in seven months, the work and pensions secretary has warned.
Stephen Crabb said the latest labour report, which showed the unemployment total rose by 21,000 in the three months to February to 1.7 million, was a signal that the looming EU referendum vote was hitting the jobs market. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/20/uk-unemployment-rises-and-pay-growth-falls
Unemployment is now below 1.6 million.
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A fair point.SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
Where does Trump find these bimbo spokeswomen. All peroxide blonds and as thick as shit. . I wonder what the world is making of America at the moment?0
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Lots of rather amusing London Lords there: Herne Hill, and Kentish Town.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The same rubbish (by and large) that the commons chucked out. Difficult to see a different result.MikeL said:Here are the amendments tabled so far in the Lords to the EU Exit Bill - for debate at the Lords Committee stage.
Some may be withdrawn and some may not be pushed to a vote. But, as it currently stands, here is what is going to be debated (and potentially voted for) by Peers.
Also further amendments could still be added - Committee stage isn't until Mon 27 Feb. Second Reading comes first next week.
Of course Commons will almost certainly reverse any amendments and Labour leader in the Lords has just about said they wouldn't then push any amendment a second time.
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2016-2017/0103/17103-RL.pdf0 -
Definitely untrue, there are stacks of charities crying out for foster homes for refugee children. google it.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
But I am sure you are right that Cooper and Sturgeon's position would be that "we'd love to, but we're not going to."0 -
Today's figures were surprisingly good as there had been several indications that the increase in employment was petering out. Even better was the increase in wages. Did not stop R5 from allowing sundry people to warble on about wages falling in real terms this morning. I don't understand why such obvious errors are not immediately corrected. Real wage growth will continue to drive demand keeping GDP growth comfortably above the 1.5% I have bet with Robert.another_richard said:The unemployment claimant count fell by over 40 thousand last month, which was itself 20 thousand lower than the previous month.
A few months ago it rose slightly causing some doom predictions:
' Claimant count and tax receipts are both good early warning signs for UK outlook and neither looks good. '
' However, there could be storm clouds gathering on the horizon. The claimant count – which in a quirk of the data is a more recent figure than the unemployment rate – jumped by 9,800 in October, with September’s figure revised upwards from 700 to 5,600. All in all, it does seem likely that unemployment could tick up somewhat during the coming months, though dire predictions made in the immediate aftermath of the vote appear wide of the mark. '
' The rise in the claimant count change - which is a fairer representation of the current environment as this data point covers the period until the end of last month - takes the shine off the good news at the very least and possibly even usurps it. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/nov/16/uk-unemployment-rate-wage-growth-earnings-brexit-business-live?page=with:block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc#block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc
Now that the claimant count is falling is it still a predictive factor or have some people lost interest in it as quickly as they lost interest in the stock market indices when they went up last summer ?0 -
someone hasn't been reading their Speccy lately:Jonathan said:
Dumb argument anyway. I suspect Mortimer is in favour of Syria intervention, but is not making the trip any time soon.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
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Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
Local authorities are looking after record numbers of unaccompanied children. It costs £30-50,000 pa to look after an unaccompanied child.DavidL said:
It is astonishing how little attention this story has got. It's almost as if we did not have a working opposition at all.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
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They presumably can't afford Andrew Neil, who seems to be the only presenter readily able to deploy facts swiftly and correctly.DavidL said:
Today's figures were surprisingly good as there had been several indications that the increase in employment was petering out. Even better was the increase in wages. Did not stop R5 from allowing sundry people to warble on about wages falling in real terms this morning. I don't understand why such obvious errors are not immediately corrected. Real wage growth will continue to drive demand keeping GDP growth comfortably above the 1.5% I have bet with Robert.another_richard said:The unemployment claimant count fell by over 40 thousand last month, which was itself 20 thousand lower than the previous month.
A few months ago it rose slightly causing some doom predictions:
' Claimant count and tax receipts are both good early warning signs for UK outlook and neither looks good. '
' However, there could be storm clouds gathering on the horizon. The claimant count – which in a quirk of the data is a more recent figure than the unemployment rate – jumped by 9,800 in October, with September’s figure revised upwards from 700 to 5,600. All in all, it does seem likely that unemployment could tick up somewhat during the coming months, though dire predictions made in the immediate aftermath of the vote appear wide of the mark. '
' The rise in the claimant count change - which is a fairer representation of the current environment as this data point covers the period until the end of last month - takes the shine off the good news at the very least and possibly even usurps it. '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/nov/16/uk-unemployment-rate-wage-growth-earnings-brexit-business-live?page=with:block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc#block-582c2f09e4b090fc812816cc
Now that the claimant count is falling is it still a predictive factor or have some people lost interest in it as quickly as they lost interest in the stock market indices when they went up last summer ?0 -
What's your best guesstimate of the true odds?isam said:UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?0 -
Sure, I completely understand why the government and the local authorities who had to do the work had limited enthusiasm. What surprises me is how little interest the media has shown in what was a fairly significant reverse ferret by the government.Sean_F said:
Local authorities are looking after record numbers of unaccompanied children. It costs £30-50,000 pa to look after an unaccompanied child.DavidL said:
It is astonishing how little attention this story has got. It's almost as if we did not have a working opposition at all.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
But does Nuttall actually believe it himself or realise its all made up ?DavidL said:
It's kind of old fashioned. There was a time pre-internet, when everything was not recorded forever when it was possible to get away with this crap.Jonathan said:Nuttall is worse than useless. What possesses someone to lie like that?
Has Nuttall faked any photos yet like James Parnell did ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Purnell#Faked_photograph
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Mortimer's stupid, puerile post wasn't worth any time to offer any kind of serious rebuttal.....kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
Kind of like my dad is bigger than yours, but less intelligent....
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Very expensive, but cheaper compared to the cost of not looking after them.Sean_F said:
Local authorities are looking after record numbers of unaccompanied children. It costs £30-50,000 pa to look after an unaccompanied child.DavidL said:
It is astonishing how little attention this story has got. It's almost as if we did not have a working opposition at all.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
Do you not think that UKIP's seriously ludicrous members says something about their cause?0
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Electing Paul Nuttall to the UKIP leadership over Sue Evans may prove to be a mistake.
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There was an interesting article in Saturday's Times about a journalist who had indeed taken in a refugee who was living in her spare room and by all accounts was a delightful fellow. She urged readers to do the same. I can't remember the name of the organization which sorted this all out i.e. matched refugees with people with spare rooms who wanted to do something to help.kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
But it is obviously possible and so it is probably fair to ask those who make a public issue of offering to do just this whether they have in fact done what this journalist had done.
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Certainly, but right now, taking in more unaccompanied children would mean crowding them into childrens' homes (at best) putting them out on the streets (at worst).Jonathan said:
Very expensive, but cheaper compared to the cost of not looking after them.Sean_F said:
Local authorities are looking after record numbers of unaccompanied children. It costs £30-50,000 pa to look after an unaccompanied child.DavidL said:
It is astonishing how little attention this story has got. It's almost as if we did not have a working opposition at all.SouthamObserver said:
No idea. They can't do so now because no more will be allowed in.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.0 -
Labour are also lucky that the LDs have decided to define themselves as an extreme Europhile party, as a consequence of which the LDs have neutered their own appeal to most of the C2DE electorate disillusioned with Corbyn. A lot of the C2DE vote has decamped to the Conservatives for now. A lot of the shift won't stick there in the event that Corbyn goes. Had that vote decamped to a centrist party which became competitive across the board the prospect of wooing it back would be harder, and we could be facing a permanent realignment of UK politics.SeanT said:All three main UK parties are enjoying an incredible run of luck, the Tories in facing the crashing mess of Labour, their main rival, the SNP, in facing the terminal mess of Labour, their main rival, and Labour, who should therefore be dead, actually surviving due to the inept crassness of UKIP, their main rival.
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It may be fair to follow up depending on how moralistic and forthright a public figure was at the time. But it isn't a simple issue, there may be good reasons, and most instances of the rebuttal are not, insofar as can be seen in most cases, taking into account any complexity or recognition that squatting in the home of a famous politician may not be the best place for all sorts of reasons, it is treated as a simple equation of they said they might (or would) and haven't. As you point out there may be cause for criticism or further question of specific individuals, but given the complexities that it would entail even if said person said they would do it and they meant it, you'll have to forgive me if I think it is not entirely fair on them to, in appearance at least, so flippantly shove their failure to do so in their face, as is usually the case, usually (and I accept not always) to score a cheap point or avoid a different point, at least without more justification.Cyclefree said:
There was an interesting article in Saturday's Times about a journalist who had indeed taken in a refugee who was living in her spare room and by all accounts was a delightful fellow. She urged readers to do the same. I can't remember the name of the organization which sorted this all out i.e. matched refugees with people with spare rooms who wanted to do something to help.
But it is obviously possible and so it is probably fair to ask those who make a public issue of offering to do just this whether they have in fact done what this journalist had done.
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http://www.roomforrefugees.com/
It is possible to help refugees in a practical, kindly and welcoming way.0 -
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/0 -
Well, when the member who is also the leader, it certainly doesn't look good.tyson said:Do you not think that UKIP's seriously ludicrous members says something about their cause?
You are a well-heeled leftie living in Florence.tyson said:
Mortimer's stupid, puerile post wasn't worth any time to offer any kind of serious rebuttal.....kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
Kind of like my dad is bigger than yours, but less intelligent....
Florence is full of asylum-seekers.
None of these asylum-seekers have been welcomed into casa tyson.
Solution: shut down any enquiry into this situation by preemptively condemning it as puerile.
Job done.0 -
I thought 50/50 UKIP vs Labour, so tried to back Lab bigger than 1.95 and UKIP bigger than 2.2 to allow for my bias, and trade the others in small sizePong said:
What's your best guesstimate of the true odds?isam said:UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?
So far I have backed all 4 at 93.2%, but slightly underwater due to the Lab surge today
What do you reckon the true odds are?0 -
Flippant point scoring is silly. So is flippant moral grandstanding. If the former stops politicians doing so much of the latter I'm all for it.kle4 said:
It may be fair to follow up depending on how moralistic and forthright a public figure was at the time. But it isn't a simple issue, there may be good reasons, and most instances of the rebuttal are not, insofar as can be seen in most cases, taking into account any complexity or recognition that squatting in the home of a famous politician may not be the best place for all sorts of reasons, it is treated as a simple equation of they said they might (or would) and haven't. As you point out there may be cause for criticism or further question of individuals, but given the difficult task that it would entail even if said person said they would do it and they meant it, you'll have to forgive me if I think it is not entirely fair on them to, in appearance at least, so flippantly shove in their face, as is usually the case.Cyclefree said:
There was an interesting article in Saturday's Times about a journalist who had indeed taken in a refugee who was living in her spare room and by all accounts was a delightful fellow. She urged readers to do the same. I can't remember the name of the organization which sorted this all out i.e. matched refugees with people with spare rooms who wanted to do something to help.kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:SouthamObserver said:
But it is obviously possible and so it is probably fair to ask those who make a public issue of offering to do just this whether they have in fact done what this journalist had done.
More seriously, I think people are a bit fed up of politicians making all sorts of grandiose promises which have to be fulfilled by others without them ever putting their money where their mouths are, especially when there are so many ordinary people doing all sorts of things to help in practical ways without shouting about it loudly.
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Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/0 -
kle4 said:
It may be fair to follow up depending on how moralistic and forthright a public figure was at the time. But it isn't a simple issue, there may be good reasons, and most instances of the rebuttal are not, insofar as can be seen in most cases, ...Cyclefree said:
There was an interesting article in Saturday's Times about a journalist who had indeed taken in a refugee who was living in her spare room and by all accounts was a delightful fellow. She urged readers to do the same. I can't remember the name of the organization which sorted this all out i.e. matched refugees with people with spare rooms who wanted to do something to help.
But it is obviously possible and so it is probably fair to ask those who make a public issue of offering to do just this whether they have in fact done what this journalist had done.
So politicians can signal their virtue because actually practically helping might be a teeensie but hard?kle4 said:
It may be fair to follow up depending on how moralistic and forthright a public figure was at the time. But it isn't a simple issue, there may be good reasons, and most instances of the rebuttal are not, insofar as can be seen in most cases, taking into account any complexity or recognition that squatting in the home of a famous politician may not be the best place for all sorts of reasons, it is treated as a simple equation of they said they might (or would) and haven't. As you point out there may be cause for criticism or further question of specific individuals, but given the complexities that it would entail even if said person said they would do it and they meant it, you'll have to forgive me if I think it is not entirely fair on them to, in appearance at least, so flippantly shove their failure to do so in their face, as is usually the case, usually (and I accept not always) to score a cheap point or avoid a different point, at least without more justification.Cyclefree said:
There was an interesting article in Saturday's Times about a journalist who had indeed taken in a refugee who was living in her spare room and by all accounts was a delightful fellow. She urged readers to do the same. I can't remember the name of the organization which sorted this all out i.e. matched refugees with people with spare rooms who wanted to do something to help.
But it is obviously possible and so it is probably fair to ask those who make a public issue of offering to do just this whether they have in fact done what this journalist had done.
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Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/0 -
He would appeal to voters in the North (apparently).SimonStClare said:Electing Paul Nuttall to the UKIP leadership over Sue Evans may prove to be a mistake.
PNWNBAMP0 -
What cause. The one thing they were supposed to be campaigning for they have won. After that they are a pointless party. Why should anyone vote for them?tyson said:Do you not think that UKIP's seriously ludicrous members says something about their cause?
Funnily enough at the same time the Lib Dems have moved from being a pointless party top a party with a point. It is just a shame that that point is so ludicrous.0 -
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/0 -
Except of course it doesn't.Cyclefree said:
Flippant point scoring is silly. So is flippant moral grandstanding. If the former stops politicians doing so much of the latter I'm all for it.
I'm not averse to a bit of flippant point scoring myself, we all do it on occasion, but that politicians (and luvvies) morally grandstand doesn't make the flippant points more worthy because both sides are being flippant. It's only my personal opinion of course, but personally I think some things don't really work very well as quick rebuttals, the refugee issue being one. Not least because to be effective different people who may have made the same or similar promises might have very different reasons it wasn't followed through on, and thus more or less justification (though where someone should be aware that complexity, and that other solutions might be better for all concerned, they should have known better than, say, some preaching luvvie)0 -
Well it is interesting that they said they would do something and then never followed through on it. I wonder why they said they would do it in the first place, perhaps to score some cheap political points?Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/0 -
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?0 -
They can signal their virtues however they damn please. How much, if at all, they deserve criticism I simply think is more complex than flippant dismissal of the whole lot, yes given the practical realities and, and I keep making this point, recognition their grandstanding offer might not necessarily be in the best interests of anyone. An idiot who has made no effort to follow through or even help in some other way probably does deserve more stick for grandstanding. Someone who is helping in less personal ways may deserve some for attempting to score a political point by doing so, but clearly does not deserve to be dismissed in the same way as someone literally doing nothing. Someone who wanted to and could not for some reason clearly does not deserve any, but a 'how many have you housed [insert names here]?' would encompass them too.Mortimer said:
So politicians can signal their virtue because actually practically helping might be a teeensie but hard?
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Sounds like you've traded ok.isam said:
I thought 50/50 UKIP vs Labour, so tried to back Lab bigger than 1.95 and UKIP bigger than 2.2 to allow for my bias, and trade the others in small sizePong said:
What's your best guesstimate of the true odds?isam said:UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?
So far I have backed all 4 at 93.2%, but slightly underwater due to the Lab surge today
What do you reckon the true odds are?
For me the social media / hillsborough stuff is basically irrelevant in a ground campaign, so shouldn't really affect the odds. They're not the bombshells twitter thinks they are.
My sources on the ground (which are few and untested) think Farage would have had a 50/50 shot, but nuttall probably won't win.
Anyway, I have backed Lab @ >1.8. In the absence of a poll, I think Lab should be 1/3.
The Copeland UKIP lay was a nobrainer. I think @pulpstar flagged it up several times, to his credit.0 -
What a goal from Robben. Looks like Arsenal are going to be put out by Bayern yet again.0
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Cheers! Well its so difficult to tell isnt it? The last three big events have had the obvious shortening to unbackable levels then losing. We shall see!Pong said:
Sounds like you've traded ok.isam said:
I thought 50/50 UKIP vs Labour, so tried to back Lab bigger than 1.95 and UKIP bigger than 2.2 to allow for my bias, and trade the others in small sizePong said:
What's your best guesstimate of the true odds?isam said:UKIP odds, like Con Maj, Brexit & Trump are drifting... must be all over
Regular PB shrewdies cheering on the odds on shot that they want to win anyway! How early do we start patting ourselves on the back?
So far I have backed all 4 at 93.2%, but slightly underwater due to the Lab surge today
What do you reckon the true odds are?
For me the social media / hillsborough stuff is basically irrelevant in a ground campaign, so shouldn't really affect the odds. They're not the bombshells twitter thinks they are.
My sources on the ground (which are few and untested) think Farage would have had a 50/50 shot, but nuttall probably won't win.
I backed Lab @ >1.8. In the absence of a poll, I think Lab should be 1/3.
The Copeland UKIP lay was a nobrainer.0 -
I must say, I am actually a fan of the phrase 'virtue signalling'. I think it can definitely be applied to people across the spectrum, and it gets applied too broadly, but like 'snowflake' I think it can capture a genuine action or reaction that can deserve criticism quite well in a way people understand.0
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Is that solid-state or semaphore virtue signalling ? If the latter, is it lower or upper quadrant?Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points? 0 -
You seem to be more excited at having a pop at the left than addressing the actual issue of refugees. I can't speak for any of them, but I can't condemn people for trying to promote the issue and for doing even a tiny thing that helps put a human face on refugees.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
But you carry on. You have a pop at the so called left if it makes you feel better.
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Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.0 -
Right at the start I addressed this issue. They're in FRANCE.Jonathan said:
You seem to be more excited at having a pop at the left than addressing the actual issue of refugees. I can't speak for any of them, but I can't condemn people for trying to promote the issue and for doing even a tiny thing that helps put a human face on refugees.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
But you carry on. You have a pop at the so called left if it makes you feel better.
Next!0 -
Hmmm. Seemed to confused a clothes shop for argument.Mortimer said:
Right at the start I addressed this issue. They're in FRANCE.Jonathan said:
You seem to be more excited at having a pop at the left than addressing the actual issue of refugees. I can't speak for any of them, but I can't condemn people for trying to promote the issue and for doing even a tiny thing that helps put a human face on refugees.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
But you carry on. You have a pop at the so called left if it makes you feel better.
Next!
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Forgive a private citizen for holding elected fools to account for cheap political points they tried to score?midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.
Or should politicans who signal virtuously not be held to account because their signals are virtuous???0 -
He did say 'it is annoying and some people should be called to account'. So clearly he doesn't believe that.Mortimer said:
Or should politicans who signal virtuously not be held to account because their signals are virtuous???midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.0 -
Virtue Signal Passed at Danger - V-SPADJosiasJessop said:
Is that solid-state or semaphore virtue signalling ? If the latter, is it lower or upper quadrant?Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?0 -
HeheSandyRentool said:
Virtue Signal Passed at Danger - V-SPADJosiasJessop said:
Is that solid-state or semaphore virtue signalling ? If the latter, is it lower or upper quadrant?Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?0 -
But then totally undermined his argument by using your instead of you'rekle4 said:
He did say 'it is annoying and some people should be called to account'. So clearly he doesn't believe that.Mortimer said:
Or should politicans who signal virtuously not be held to account because their signals are virtuous???midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.
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No nonsense, speak truth to power virtue signalling.Mortimer said:
Forgive a private citizen for holding elected fools to account for cheap political points they tried to score?midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.
Or should politicans who signal virtuously not be held to account because their signals are virtuous???
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That's a bit rude, and more than a bit childish. Please explain simply and clearly and without resorting to potty-mouth name calling why it is OK for politicians to say they will do a thing, and then not to do it.midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.
Thanks.0 -
It is genuinely uncanny :-DDavidL said:What a goal from Robben. Looks like Arsenal are going to be put out by Bayern yet again.
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Good spot. Seems so called virtue signalling is catching.SouthamObserver said:
No nonsense, speak truth to power virtue signalling.Mortimer said:
Forgive a private citizen for holding elected fools to account for cheap political points they tried to score?midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is notsimplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.
Or should politicans who signal virtuously not be held to account because their signals are virtuous???0 -
I know. I really should make money on it.SouthamObserver said:
It is genuinely uncanny :-DDavidL said:What a goal from Robben. Looks like Arsenal are going to be put out by Bayern yet again.
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Can we have a Watergate type enquiry into Trump's team contact with Russia ? Alongside Brexit will keep everyone happy on here.0
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I 'keep banging on about it' (talk about something that the left doesn't like for half an hour on a thread) because certain partisan posters won't accept that there is something to be called out here.midwinter said:
Why would you keep banging on about it if not to score cheap political points? You're partly right it is annoying and some people should be called to account. Case proven.Mortimer said:
What a puerile comment.Jonathan said:
You're obsessed with virtue signalling. Wonder why that nasty little phrase excited you.Mortimer said:
Oh, that's ok then. It's daft. It's puerile. IN THAT CASE virtue signalling should never be held to account.Jonathan said:
Daft article.Mortimer said:
If the virtue signalling left didn't want an easy rebuttal they ought to have followed through on what they suggested:kle4 said:
Even if they are willing, it is not as simple to 'take in' refugees as finding any random person who says they are willing. People who think we can take in any number, and people who think being in France is apparently so awful one cannot claim asylum, are making things a bit simplistic, but this standard rebuttal of 'well have you taken any in?' is at the least just as simplistic and so unhelpful.Mortimer said:
How many refugeee children did Cooper and Sturgeon personally take in, then?SouthamObserver said:
Not really - right wingers just like to signal different virtues.Mortimer said:FPT
You mean the ones in France? A safe country. Those ones?Freggles said:
No more child refugees? Yeah it's practically hug a hoodie all over again!Mortimer said:
Tories should counter this balls meme of moving to the right. They're far less right wing than under Osborne.Scrapheap_as_was said:Lib dem candidate for Copeland on bbc news... I'm a maths teacher and I've done the numbers labour has moved to the left the tories to the right.....
I feel nauseous
Not being a virtue signaller is different from being right wing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/year-nicola-sturgeon-refugees/
Because I'm a massive train nerd obviously.
Meanwhile, back outside of La La Land, why would they offer and not follow through if not to score cheap points?
Rather than squeaking "virtue signaller" ad infinitum like a spotty virgin in a sixth form debate try offering some ideas on what we can do, because frankly your coming across as a grade a bell end.0 -
Yep - he's done that too ...another_richard said:
But does Nuttall actually believe it himself or realise its all made up ?DavidL said:
It's kind of old fashioned. There was a time pre-internet, when everything was not recorded forever when it was possible to get away with this crap.Jonathan said:Nuttall is worse than useless. What possesses someone to lie like that?
Has Nuttall faked any photos yet like James Parnell did ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Purnell#Faked_photograph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040177/Ukip-education-spokesman-ridiculed-posing-manifesto-photo-FAKE-library-clutching-PICTURE-BOOK.html
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At least he wasn't the one inserted in the image!SouthamObserver said:
Yep - he's done that too ...another_richard said:
But does Nuttall actually believe it himself or realise its all made up ?DavidL said:
It's kind of old fashioned. There was a time pre-internet, when everything was not recorded forever when it was possible to get away with this crap.Jonathan said:Nuttall is worse than useless. What possesses someone to lie like that?
Has Nuttall faked any photos yet like James Parnell did ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Purnell#Faked_photograph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040177/Ukip-education-spokesman-ridiculed-posing-manifesto-photo-FAKE-library-clutching-PICTURE-BOOK.html0 -
I 'keep banging on about it' (talk about something that the left doesn't like for half an hour on a thread) because certain partisan posters won't accept that there is something to be called out here.
Yes I understand and agree partially but you're signalling your own virtues as a non virtue signaller by doing so and it's irritating because the right (of which I am one, albeit Cameroonian so ideologically impure obviously) aren't providing any solutions.
P.S. Apologies for the previous grammar faux pas.0 -
One of the most instructive aspects of Labour's present problems is that after 50 years of cost free, socialism based virtue signalling, many of our (cultural) elite are unexpectedly faced with a leader who really wants to implement it. And suddenly we find that like in some higher degree of the mystery of socialist freemasonry, they were really fighting for their London penthouses, their villas in Tuscany, their lovely life in the South of France and, above all, a clear distance from the English working class.0
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Nah you just want to have a crack at ' the left' cos you don't like them. And you think this is a handy stick to have some fun with.Mortimer said:
I 'keep banging on about it' (talk about something that the left doesn't like for half an hour on a thread) because certain partisan posters won't accept that there is something to be called out here.
I suspect you don't give a toss about the issue or politicians' integrity. After all the latter is not an issue confined to the left as Nuttall ably demonstrates.0 -
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What is this? Con Home or the Telegraph?frpenkridge said:One of the most instructive aspects of Labour's present problems is that after 50 years of cost free, socialism based virtue signalling, many of our (cultural) elite are unexpectedly faced with a leader who really wants to implement it. And suddenly we find that like in some higher degree of the mystery of socialist freemasonry, they were really fighting for their London penthouses, their villas in Tuscany, their lovely life in the South of France and, above all, a clear distance from the English working class.
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Something I'm sure we've all wondered. Nicely summed up.frpenkridge said:One of the most instructive aspects of Labour's present problems is that after 50 years of cost free, socialism based virtue signalling, many of our (cultural) elite are unexpectedly faced with a leader who really wants to implement it. And suddenly we find that like in some higher degree of the mystery of socialist freemasonry, they were really fighting for their London penthouses, their villas in Tuscany, their lovely life in the South of France and, above all, a clear distance from the English working class.
I wonder too if the Momentum movement is largely formed of the same people, but who haven't quite grown up sufficiently yet to understand what it is they're really after. As such Corbyn is a sort of Peter Pan figure.
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midwinter said:
Yes I understand and agree partially but you're signalling your own virtues as a non virtue signaller by doing so and it's irritating because the right (of which I am one, albeit Cameroonian so ideologically impure obviously) aren't providing any solutions.Mortimer said:
I 'keep banging on about it' (talk about something that the left doesn't like for half an hour on a thread) because certain partisan posters won't accept that there is something to be called out here.
P.S. Apologies for the previous grammar faux pas.
The modern world is fraught with pitfalls isn't it. I'm really not virtuous at all. As a PBTory we have a code of honour to uphold, and I wouldn't want to be signalling anything other than the Swanage railway. (If anyone hasn't been on it, you're missing out - and Sunil, it will this year be operating a regular, albeit trial period, timetable after being reconnected to the Waterloo-Weymouth mainline as a branch). I'm told there is a good bookshop at the Wareham end of the line, too...
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To Deptford and beyond ...SeanT said:All three main UK parties are enjoying an incredible run of luck, the Tories in facing the crashing mess of Labour, their main rival, the SNP, in facing the facing the terminal mess of Labour, their main rival, and Labour, who should therefore be dead, actually surviving due to the inept crassness of UKIP, their main rival.
Arise, Sons of Cornwall, and seize the golden throne of London. It is our time, finally.0 -
Virtue signalling definitely exists, but it seems to be just applied to all left wing views on here. In fact it is equally as common on the right. I would define it as holding a viewpoint because of the effect it has on your social reputation or persona, rather than having actually being particularly motivated by the issue itself (this can be either to seem 'progressive' or to deliberately seem contrary / edgy - a la Milo Yiannopoulos).kle4 said:I must say, I am actually a fan of the phrase 'virtue signalling'. I think it can definitely be applied to people across the spectrum, and it gets applied too broadly, but like 'snowflake' I think it can capture a genuine action or reaction that can deserve criticism quite well in a way people understand.
Same with Snowflake. It describes those who cry outrage at the slightest provocation. It's used now to mean anyone on who disagrees with a controversial statement. Prevalent on the left for sure - but you see just as many on the right (witness the 'outrage' over Budweiser's superbowl ad, or the list of companies that Trump supporters want boycotted).0 -
Keep on suspecting - you're wrong. I have no problem with the non-hypocritical left. I'm proud as punch that my party has understood that Osbornomics was too right wing.Jonathan said:
Nah you just want to have a crack at ' the left' cos you don't like them. And you think this is a handy stick to have some fun with.Mortimer said:
I 'keep banging on about it' (talk about something that the left doesn't like for half an hour on a thread) because certain partisan posters won't accept that there is something to be called out here.
I suspect you don't give a toss about the issue or politicians' integrity. After all the latter is not an issue confined to the left as Nuttall ably demonstrates.
And I'm not the one with a no turning right avatar.0 -
That's a bit rude, and more than a bit childish. Please explain simply and clearly and without resorting to potty-mouth name calling why it is OK for politicians to say they will do a thing, and then not to do it.
Thanks.
Don't be so po faced. If you read between the insults you'd have seen I don't think it's OK to say one thing and not follow it through, although to be honest if we judged most politicians by these lofty standards most would be found wanting I imagine.
As for potty mouthed name calling, he was getting on my nerves. I've apologised (for my grammar at least) and anyone who loves books can't be all bad I suppose.
Poxy block quotes... sorry a bit beyond me.
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