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Why would any English/Welsh/NI person care if Scotland left the UK and joined the EU?0
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Photo ID to walk across the border? Or are you confusing that will the need to show photo ID to get on a plane to Dublin?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
Very, very, weak stuff today from the Mayite syncophants – hard borders on the Tweed but not on the Foyle and now this.williamglenn said:
So now the National has got it wrong? Make your mind up!CarlottaVance said:
Where does she say that?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.
She doesn't, does she?
Absolutely laughable.0 -
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Worse than that, SeanT has us having a hard border between Belfast and Liverpool – two cities that are in the same state.williamglenn said:
Photo ID to walk across the border? Or are you confusing that will the need to show photo ID to get on a plane to Dublin?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
I think someone pointed out that that was the case during WWII, when Eire was neutral. Caused all sorts of ill-feelings. I recall a snippet from The Chequer Board (Nevil Shute) where a fight developed in a pub between an irishman and a Commando over whether or not the Irishman was taking secrets back to Dublin to tell the German Consul.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
And Scotland would be in the Common Travel Area.brokenwheel said:
Switzerland is in Schengen.rcs1000 said:
Why does that mean Border controls at Berwick? There are no border controls between Switzerland and - for example - Germany, and Switzerland is not part of the Single Market.HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.0 -
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
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Given that breast-feeding has contraceptive effects, isn't that vertical integration rather than a conflict of interests?logical_song said:A little worrying, is this a conflict of interest:
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If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Yes, dangerously muddled thinking from the rightwing, eurosceptic Brit Nat brigade.OldKingCole said:
I think someone pointed out that that was the case during WWII, when Eire was neutral. Caused all sorts of ill-feelings. I recall a snippet from The Chequer Board (Nevil Shute) where a fight developed in a pub between an irishman and a Commando over whether or not the Irishman was taking secrets back to Dublin to tell the German Consul.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
Most likely bolloxSeanT said:
Remember when I went to that mega-posh party with lots of Sunday Times Rich List squillionaires, and reported back - to my own surprise - that most of them were Leavers?CarlottaVance said:Yes, this'll happen:
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/830002172473532417
I recall asking them about the risk to the City: all the bankers decamping to Paris and Frankfurt etc
They scoffed at the idea. "Hardly anyone will quit London.."
I still don't know whether they were talking posho bollocks, or had genuine insight.0 -
I have to do that when I hire a car. Will I need a passport?AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
I don't think that's true. I got the train from Belfast to Dublin* and didn't need to show any ID.CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.
* It's very slow but quite fun. Sunil should definitely do it.0 -
Fine. But not with the pound. Look what happened the last time a Scotsman had control over the pound. He destroyed the golden legacy left him by Ken Clarke.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
I can only go by what she said last night in person , and that was not how she represented itCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
Jacqueline Minor, the head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, warned Scotland would have to join a list of candidate countries, including Turkey Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/0 -
Fully agree - but I suspect the empathy would evaporate the moment a newly independent Scotland refused to take on its share of the UK's debt.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
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Unless, for example, one or more of the member states had secessionists they wished to discourage.....anyone spring to mind?foxinsoxuk said:
Scotland joining would be much quicker than the Balkans, because it already meets all the accession criteria and all existing regulations are in place. It would all go through much more swiftly.CarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
Jacqueline Minor, the head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, warned Scotland would have to join a list of candidate countries, including Turkey Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/0 -
She did in person on TV, said as Scotland met nearly all the criteria and had been a member 40 years blah blah blah all be very simpleCarlottaVance said:
Where does she say that?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.
She doesn't, does she?0 -
And Sarkozy before. No the city of London will not decamp en masse to Paris because of the French culture of big government, this culture is the same in most other European capitals.FrancisUrquhart said:
Good luck with that...hollande tried to get through the most minor labour reforms and it was all out war.foxinsoxuk said:
Isn't radical reform of the French labour laws exactly what Fillon wants?CarlottaVance said:Yes, this'll happen:
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How can people buy that sort of defence, no matter who is putting it. In fact buy it they must have done - it is the only explanation... I wonder if the mortgages of the jury have disappeared, or any nice new cars arrived on the drive.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
williamglenn said:
So now the National has got it wrong? Make your mind up!CarlottaVance said:
Where does she say that?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.
She doesn't, does she?
But Jaqueline Minor does not say 'front of the queue' does she?
You're making stuff up - entertainingly desperate.....0 -
Finally a sensible person arrivesfoxinsoxuk said:
Scotland joining would be much quicker than the Balkans, because it already meets all the accession criteria and all existing regulations are in place. It would all go through much more swiftly.CarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
Jacqueline Minor, the head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, warned Scotland would have to join a list of candidate countries, including Turkey Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/0 -
Not been to NI for a while but there was always de facto border control between GB and NI with the security forces/police scrutinising travellers in the 80's and 90's for sure.AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.
The strip of water enables a blurring of hard/soft/de facto/de jure borders between ROI NI and GB if we want to be creative.
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Oh good, they have at long last repealed those pesky defamation laws, I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Am I the only one thinking that apart from being objectionable in the extreme, they are showing just how pig-shit thick they are by not knowing their thousands from their millions???nunu said:
FOX 4 NEWS @FOX4
Central Michigan College Republicans sorry for Hitler-themed Valentine's card (link: http://bit.ly/2lwfSdC) bit.ly/2lwfSdC0 -
Or Holyhead to Dublin, or to get on the boat, or plane to or from the Channel Islands.....AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
Perhaps you could regale us with Hard Brexit and Tory disaster plans thenMarqueeMark said:
Seems if you ask two EU officials about Scotland, you get three opinions. I'd love to see a well-argued thread by a Nat about EXACTLY how they see things panning out once Article 50 is triggered. Showing their workings, not just vague, bombastic assertions. Any takers?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.0 -
Could not agree more. Why would England want to make life as tough as possible for a country with which we have shared a history for hundreds of years and with which we have such close ties in every area imaginable? I would love the Union to stay together, but we have to face facts: England and Scotland are drifting apart - just as England drifted away from the EU. We asked for the EU to reform, it said no, so we voted to leave. There is maybe an opportunity for a constitutional convention here to grasp the nettle that the EU 27 would not grasp, but the chances of that happening are low. In which case, sad as it is, it is probably best for us to go our separate ways with as much good grace and goodwill as possible. Basically, every reason that Leavers gave for the UK to leave the EU apply to Scotland leaving the Union.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
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Hmmm: I showed my passport getting on to a plane to Guernsey, but there was no passport control on arrival. Has that changed recently?CarlottaVance said:
Or Holyhead to Dublin, or to get on the boat, or plane to or from the Channel Islands.....AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
Ironically, many of the Indy Scotland-bashers are at the same time vehement Britain will get a good Brexit deal because the EU will not want to spite us.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
They are patheticJobabob said:
Very, very, weak stuff today from the Mayite syncophants – hard borders on the Tweed but not on the Foyle and now this.williamglenn said:
So now the National has got it wrong? Make your mind up!CarlottaVance said:
Where does she say that?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.
She doesn't, does she?
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Why? They could simply fly to Gatwick or get the Eurostar to London. Why would they go via Scotland? I think that (like many people) you are confusing border controls with permission to reside and work here. The two are unrelated.SeanT said:
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work..0 -
Which is what we did during the Second World War.welshowl said:
Not been to NI for a while but there was always de facto border control between GB and NI with the security forces/police scrutinising travellers in the 80's and 90's for sure.AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.
The strip of water enables a blurring of hard/soft/de facto/de jure borders between ROI NI and GB if we want to be creative.
But I don't understand why we'd want to get rid of the Common Travel Area. It's been an enormous positive for all the members of the British Isles.0 -
Anyone can use the pound and as we are joint owners we can even more easily use it as long as we wish.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
Maybe not the Irish land border - but any crossing of water, in my experience requires it (UK>CI, UK>Eire)rcs1000 said:
I don't think that's true. I got the train from Belfast to Dublin* and didn't need to show any ID.CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.
* It's very slow but quite fun. Sunil should definitely do it.0 -
These borders are making my head spin. Currently I can take a train from my village across a (possibly hard) border to Stranraer, get on the ferry to another (possibly hard) border in Larne, and take another train across a (possibly hard) border to the Republic. Flying seems more preferable.0
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You first...malcolmg said:
Perhaps you could regale us with Hard Brexit and Tory disaster plans thenMarqueeMark said:
Seems if you ask two EU officials about Scotland, you get three opinions. I'd love to see a well-argued thread by a Nat about EXACTLY how they see things panning out once Article 50 is triggered. Showing their workings, not just vague, bombastic assertions. Any takers?williamglenn said:
...she said, Scotland, unlike other countries, would already meet much of the criteria of membershipCarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/
Front of the queue.0 -
@Carlotta: you are wrong about passport requirements for the Channel Islands
See: https://www.flyguernsey.com/passport-requirements-for-guernsey/0 -
Depends on how credible the complainant was. Look at the recent Harris trial.Pulpstar said:
How can people buy that sort of defence, no matter who is putting it. In fact buy it they must have done - it is the only explanation... I wonder if the mortgages of the jury have disappeared, or any nice new cars arrived on the drive.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:
All adds to the pressure on women who do suffer in this fashion, but equally the last thing anyone wants is an incorrect conviction.0 -
Based on all the practical challenges, as well as May's track record on immigration, I suspect that freedom of movement in general is not a red line for her but just a bargaining chip that she plans to make a very theatrical climb-down over in return for something on trade or legal jurisdiction that she really wants.rcs1000 said:Which is what we did during the Second World War.
But I don't understand why we'd want to get rid of the Common Travel Area. It's been an enormous positive for all the members of the British Isles.0 -
However, you will need a form of photographic identity for air and sea travel.rcs1000 said:@Carlotta: you are wrong about passport requirements for the Channel Islands
See: https://www.flyguernsey.com/passport-requirements-for-guernsey/
I should know - I've done it often enough!0 -
It is a flight security thing I think. I had to show a passport (or other official photo ID) when flying to Edinburgh and also for Scilly.rcs1000 said:
Hmmm: I showed my passport getting on to a plane to Guernsey, but there was no passport control on arrival. Has that changed recently?CarlottaVance said:
Or Holyhead to Dublin, or to get on the boat, or plane to or from the Channel Islands.....AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
You really trying to equate Scotland and the UK? Yes, that's really happening in the capitals of the EU.... *rolls eyes*DecrepitJohnL said:
Ironically, many of the Indy Scotland-bashers are at the same time vehement Britain will get a good Brexit deal because the EU will not want to spite us.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
The people of Scotland have recently said they want to stay in the UK. The people of the UK have recently said they want to leave the EU. That's the reality.0 -
Just before she loses either her job or her majority, depending which happens the fastest.williamglenn said:
Based on all the practical challenges, as well as May's track record on immigration, I suspect that freedom of movement in general is not a red line for her but just a bargaining chip that she plans to make a very theatrical climb-down over in return for something on trade or legal jurisdiction that she really wants.rcs1000 said:Which is what we did during the Second World War.
But I don't understand why we'd want to get rid of the Common Travel Area. It's been an enormous positive for all the members of the British Isles.0 -
Given that would require EU treaty change I wouldn't bet on it.rcs1000 said:
And Scotland would be in the Common Travel Area.brokenwheel said:
Switzerland is in Schengen.rcs1000 said:
Why does that mean Border controls at Berwick? There are no border controls between Switzerland and - for example - Germany, and Switzerland is not part of the Single Market.HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.0 -
This man has virtually limitless funds, a shit hot QC, and a not guilty verdict. Libel and slander are actionable torts. Think about it.Pulpstar said:
How can people buy that sort of defence, no matter who is putting it. In fact buy it they must have done - it is the only explanation... I wonder if the mortgages of the jury have disappeared, or any nice new cars arrived on the drive.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No - but you need photo ID to get on the plane (or ferry) - so unless you are planning on swimming, you'll need photo idrcs1000 said:
Hmmm: I showed my passport getting on to a plane to Guernsey, but there was no passport control on arrival. Has that changed recently?CarlottaVance said:
Or Holyhead to Dublin, or to get on the boat, or plane to or from the Channel Islands.....AlastairMeeks said:
You already have to show photo ID when you get off the boat from Belfast to Liverpool.Jobabob said:
Sorry, to answer my question, will I need a passport to take a boat from Liverpool to Belfast? So a hard border between one part of the UK and another?CarlottaVance said:
You'd know that photo ID is already required to travel within the CTA, if you'd ever used it.....Jobabob said:
So passports required between one part of the UK and another?SeanT said:
Because there is an ocean (and a lot of bloody history) between the island of Ireland and Great Britain, so it makes sense to police migrants, trade, when they are on boats and planes heading to the mainland, thus avoiding a provocative hard border at Derry.Jobabob said:
So there will be border patrol boats on the Tweed but not on the Foyle? Why?HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Indeed this is what is now being discussed: electronic monitoring of cars and citizens crossing into Ulster from Ireland, and more customs and policework on the ferries and planes.
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work.
There would be some form of hard-ish border. And what about tariffs? I don't think (sadly) we will get completely tariff free and NTB-free access to the Single Market, so an iScotland in the EU would face tariffs on its goods, coming into England.0 -
Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.0 -
They're almost precisely the same cohort that comfort themselves with the idea that the EU is dying to be as constructive as possible in dealing with mighty Brexit UK. Of course we've all seen how easily they flip into 'crazy, EUSSR, punishment beating bastards' mode - bipolar doesn't really cover it.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?0 -
Unless we plan to require visas for all EU visitors then flying to Stansted would be the easiest way in, followed by working illegally. No need to go via Scotland.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why? They could simply fly to Gatwick or get the Eurostar to London. Why would they go via Scotland? I think that (like many people) you are confusing border controls with permission to reside and work here. The two are unrelated.SeanT said:
The land border between Scotland and England is an entirely different matter. It would make a nonsense of our new tougher migration laws if any EU citizen could fly to Scotland then simply walk, bus or drive into England and look for work..0 -
Err.....because then they'd lose a referendum by a country mile?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.
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Watching that bbc2 last night it was clear in places like France and Italy the solutions that you can choose from is bigger ever closer EU protectism or outsider 5* / FN pitch of bigger national protectionist government. neither of which is going to be attractive to ultra free market city trading firms.nunu said:
And Sarkozy before. No the city of London will not decamp en masse to Paris because of the French culture of big government, this culture is the same in most other European capitals.FrancisUrquhart said:
Good luck with that...hollande tried to get through the most minor labour reforms and it was all out war.foxinsoxuk said:
Isn't radical reform of the French labour laws exactly what Fillon wants?CarlottaVance said:Yes, this'll happen:
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I am green on Balls, Kinnock and Thornberry. If Kinnock wins I might have to find someone to propose to because I will be able to afford a honeymoon in Bora Bora.0
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Fear of migration for most of the Tory Kipper tendency was just a useful way to get people to vote against the EU, not something they personally care about.AlsoIndigo said:
Just before she loses either her job or her majority, depending which happens the fastest.williamglenn said:
Based on all the practical challenges, as well as May's track record on immigration, I suspect that freedom of movement in general is not a red line for her but just a bargaining chip that she plans to make a very theatrical climb-down over in return for something on trade or legal jurisdiction that she really wants.rcs1000 said:Which is what we did during the Second World War.
But I don't understand why we'd want to get rid of the Common Travel Area. It's been an enormous positive for all the members of the British Isles.0 -
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.0 -
I've expressed my genuinely held beliefs on the subject, I'll drop it now anyhow.Ishmael_Z said:
This man has virtually limitless funds, a shit hot QC, and a not guilty verdict. Libel and slander are actionable torts. Think about it.Pulpstar said:
How can people buy that sort of defence, no matter who is putting it. In fact buy it they must have done - it is the only explanation... I wonder if the mortgages of the jury have disappeared, or any nice new cars arrived on the drive.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I ever get charged with a crime, I'd want his QC representing me.Pulpstar said:
This sounds like that the Abdulaziz defence where he claims he 'tripped' and fell into his rape victim. Unbelievably the jury who must be collectively thicker than the shortest planks believed that defence.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Miss Vance, independence means independence, to coin a phrase.
Any UK (ex-Scotland, post-independence) party proposing putting the UK taxpayer on the hook in case of a financial institution's collapse in Scotland would get slaughtered at the ballot box.0 -
Comfort yourself with that delusion Malc. All UK parties (except the Nats) have said unequivocally 'No Way'. The Pound is a UK institution. You leave the UK, you leave the Pound. You don't get to dictate here. Currency is THE issue to get resolved before Scotland has a hope of independence.malcolmg said:
Anyone can use the pound and as we are joint owners we can even more easily use it as long as we wish.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
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Who cares. It's a price worth paying and in 20 years all will be good.CarlottaVance said:
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.0 -
At the very least there will be enough letters on Graham Brady's desk to subject her to a challenge which having given away FoM she will probably lose, because:williamglenn said:
Fear of migration for most of the Tory Kipper tendency was just a useful way to get people to vote against the EU, not something they personally care about.AlsoIndigo said:
Just before she loses either her job or her majority, depending which happens the fastest.williamglenn said:
Based on all the practical challenges, as well as May's track record on immigration, I suspect that freedom of movement in general is not a red line for her but just a bargaining chip that she plans to make a very theatrical climb-down over in return for something on trade or legal jurisdiction that she really wants.rcs1000 said:Which is what we did during the Second World War.
But I don't understand why we'd want to get rid of the Common Travel Area. It's been an enormous positive for all the members of the British Isles.
About half of the 52% care a lot about it though, and there will be a general election within a year of the final deal being done, if she ditches freedom of movement and is very lucky they will stay at home and she will lose her majority.0 -
Or indeed propose picking up the bill for Scottish Pensions.......but look on the bright side, finally the Nats will be able to collect that fabled Whisky Export DutyMorris_Dancer said:Miss Vance, independence means independence, to coin a phrase.
Any UK (ex-Scotland, post-independence) party proposing putting the UK taxpayer on the hook in case of a financial institution's collapse in Scotland would get slaughtered at the ballot box.0 -
Moving north are you?TOPPING said:
Who cares. It's a price worth paying and in 20 years all will be good.CarlottaVance said:
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.0 -
Mr. G, use the pound, yes. But an independent Scotland does not have the power to unilaterally compel a currency union with a nation from which it just voted to separate, and there is no appetite for such a currency union south of the border.
So, using the pound could happen, but without a lender of last resort.0 -
I suppose it may depend on how many caseloads of gold/currency you are taking through the airport....rcs1000 said:
Hmmm: I showed my passport getting on to a plane to Guernsey, but there was no passport control on arrival. Has that changed recently?0 -
Only for a day trip on Virgin East Coast (bliss). But what I don't understand is that both Brexit and Scots independence by common consent will cause short- to mid-term economic disruption to a greater or lesser degree.CarlottaVance said:
Moving north are you?TOPPING said:
Who cares. It's a price worth paying and in 20 years all will be good.CarlottaVance said:
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.
And yet the very people, let's call them PB Leavers, who say that for Brexit it is a price worth paying, in the long run all will be well, there are more important things to worry about than the economics....are the very same people who decry the Scots for wanting to take an equally economically-disadvantaging decision themselves.0 -
It lightens the mood from constant bitter bitching.AlastairMeeks said:Is there a particular reason to be discussing old children's films this morning?
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I would have no problem with the Scots going, and one way or the other they would make it work I am sure. The financial pain, should there be any, will be compensated for by the fact of independence.
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Since you're opinion matters less than a sparrow fart in this issue, no.isam said:I would have no problem with the Scots going, and one way or the other they would make it work I am sure. The financial pain, should there be any, will be compensated for by the fact of independence.
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Isn’t the issue Customs, as Guernsey isn’t in the EU?Beverley_C said:
I suppose it may depend on how many caseloads of gold/currency you are taking through the airport....rcs1000 said:
Hmmm: I showed my passport getting on to a plane to Guernsey, but there was no passport control on arrival. Has that changed recently?0 -
That's too broad brush. Several prominent Leavers have been saying Bon Chance to the Scots for quite a while now for exactly that reason. The Scots can leave any time they want as far as I am concerned, but independence means independence, its got to be a clean-break divorce with no outstanding long term liabilities for the rUK.TOPPING said:
Only for a day trip on Virgin East Coast (bliss). But what I don't understand is that both Brexit and Scots independence by common consent will cause short- to mid-term economic disruption to a greater or lesser degree.CarlottaVance said:
Moving north are you?TOPPING said:
Who cares. It's a price worth paying and in 20 years all will be good.CarlottaVance said:
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.
And yet the very people, let's call them PB Leavers, who say that for Brexit it is a price worth paying, in the long run all will be well, there are more important things to worry about than the economics....are the very same people who decry the Scots for wanting to take an equally economically-disadvantaging decision themselves.0 -
@Southamobserver Looks like a poor move to me by her, I have no idea if the Jewish diaspora in France has political views of any sort of similiarity with that of Israel - but the Israelis did prefer someone on the reasonably hard right in their elections recently.
She might have lost some votes here.0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. G, use the pound, yes. But an independent Scotland does not have the power to unilaterally compel a currency union with a nation from which it just voted to separate, and there is no appetite for such a currency union south of the border.
So, using the pound could happen, but without a lender of last resort.
Why would we not agree to a currency union? Sour grapes?0 -
Mr. Observer, did Le Pen specify her views of dual citizenship with the UK? Just curious.0
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Yes. Still possibility of years, I suppose, but there's only so much to drag it out when it's known Scotland is an acceptable admission.foxinsoxuk said:
Scotland joining would be much quicker than the Balkans, because it already meets all the accession criteria and all existing regulations are in place. It would all go through much more swiftly.CarlottaVance said:
So The National has got it wrong too?malcolmg said:
Not what she said on Scottish TV last night, but then why woudo you expect the lying Torygraph to be printing the truth.CarlottaVance said:An independent Scotland would start life outside the EU and be forced to join the queue for membership, the European Commission’s official representative in the UK has said in a major blow to Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit strategy.
Jacqueline Minor said Jean Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, had made clear there would be no more states admitted until 2020 – the year after the UK is expected to leave the European Union. She said there are several countries waiting to become member states, including Montenegro and Serbia, and an independent Scotland “would join that list.” This would mean Scotland being outside both the UK and EU for an indeterminate period.
With the SNP’s leadership reviewing their stance on currency, she said a separate Scotland would have to commit in principle to joining the euro to get membership and show how it intended to bring down its huge deficit, which is even larger than Greece’s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/
Jacqueline Minor, the head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, warned Scotland would have to join a list of candidate countries, including Turkey Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15082727.Independent_Scotland_meets_criteria_for_EU_membership__says_top_official/0 -
Haha I only said it so you'd say that!!! Cheers!Theuniondivvie said:
Since you're opinion matters less than a sparrow fart in this issue, no.isam said:I would have no problem with the Scots going, and one way or the other they would make it work I am sure. The financial pain, should there be any, will be compensated for by the fact of independence.
I just hope my backing hasn't made TUD a loyalist
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Guernsey isn't in the UK and it uses Sterling.Patrick said:
Comfort yourself with that delusion Malc. All UK parties (except the Nats) have said unequivocally 'No Way'. The Pound is a UK institution. You leave the UK, you leave the Pound. You don't get to dictate here. Currency is THE issue to get resolved before Scotland has a hope of independence.malcolmg said:
Anyone can use the pound and as we are joint owners we can even more easily use it as long as we wish.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
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But that's true of flying from London to Newcastle! Or Paris to Marseille. Or New York to Denver. That's nothing to do with controlling movementCarlottaVance said:
No - but you need photo ID to get on the plane (or ferry) - so unless you are planning on swimming, you'll need photo id0 -
Seems quite small, 400,000 or so, possibly less with recent developments.Pulpstar said:@Southamobserver Looks like a poor move to me by her, I have no idea if the Jewish diaspora in France has political views of any sort of similiarity with that of Israel - but the Israelis did prefer someone on the reasonably hard right in their elections recently.
She might have lost some votes here.
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No it doesn't. The reaties explicitly recognise the Common Travel Areabrokenwheel said:
Given that would require EU treaty change I wouldn't bet on it.rcs1000 said:
And Scotland would be in the Common Travel Area.brokenwheel said:
Switzerland is in Schengen.rcs1000 said:
Why does that mean Border controls at Berwick? There are no border controls between Switzerland and - for example - Germany, and Switzerland is not part of the Single Market.HYUFD said:
No poll yet has Yes ahead but of course with the UK now leaving the single market if an independent Scotland rejoins the EU that means border controls at Berwick and customs duties on Scottish exports to the UK which is where a majority of Scottish exports goscotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.0 -
Is that non EU countries, like the UK?SouthamObserver said:0 -
It was an interesting programme. There did seem to be an acknowledgment by some that the EU has been less than wonderful, but if they wanted to improve it, that they would have to work harder. Without ANY ideas being offered as to how that would be implemented. You have to assume that if the EU had the tools to work harder, they'd be using them. So implicit in that response is that they need more tools.FrancisUrquhart said:
Watching that bbc2 last night it was clear in places like France and Italy the solutions that you can choose from is bigger ever closer EU protectism or outsider 5* / FN pitch of bigger national protectionist government. neither of which is going to be attractive to ultra free market city trading firms.nunu said:
And Sarkozy before. No the city of London will not decamp en masse to Paris because of the French culture of big government, this culture is the same in most other European capitals.FrancisUrquhart said:
Good luck with that...hollande tried to get through the most minor labour reforms and it was all out war.foxinsoxuk said:
Isn't radical reform of the French labour laws exactly what Fillon wants?CarlottaVance said:Yes, this'll happen:
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/830002172473532417
More EU, Harder EU. More centralisation, less national autonomy. At no point did anyone think the EU might have to row back on its ambitions.
The people of the UK made a very good call last year.0 -
Mr. Bob, because having the UK taxpayer as lender of last resort for a part of the world that would have voted to leave the UK is unjust.
I'm perplexed as to why Scots who want [many, though not all] to leave also want to immediately hand their monetary policy to what would then be a foreign country.0 -
Practical finance and politics - you make financial policy to benefit your own country and electorate. The issues and needs of another country are not your concern. If rUK finance policy is detrimental to IndyScotland's needs then IndyScotland will have to live with it. No government in rUK would survive long if it implemented policies to benefit an external country to its own disadvantage.Jobabob said:Why would we not agree to a currency union? Sour grapes?
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In the good old days (the nineteenth century) there were no lenders of last resort and we allowed banks to simply go bust.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, use the pound, yes. But an independent Scotland does not have the power to unilaterally compel a currency union with a nation from which it just voted to separate, and there is no appetite for such a currency union south of the border.
So, using the pound could happen, but without a lender of last resort.
Might be politically difficult, mind.0 -
Well there was a good paper by the Leavers' least favourite economic think tank on the division of assets and liabilities should there be an Independent Scotland. Essentially (I might be misremembering) they would buy out those liabilities at their present value after netting off assets.AlsoIndigo said:
That's too broad brush. Several prominent Leavers have been saying Bon Chance to the Scots for quite a while now for exactly that reason. The Scots can leave any time they want as far as I am concerned, but independence means independence, its got to be a clean-break divorce with no outstanding long term liabilities for the rUK.TOPPING said:
Only for a day trip on Virgin East Coast (bliss). But what I don't understand is that both Brexit and Scots independence by common consent will cause short- to mid-term economic disruption to a greater or lesser degree.CarlottaVance said:
Moving north are you?TOPPING said:
Who cares. It's a price worth paying and in 20 years all will be good.CarlottaVance said:
Because then they'll need a Central Bank in Edinburgh and have to raise their own debt. The sums currently don't look pretty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I hope the UK stays together. If Scotland does depart, then good relations would be beneficial for both sides.
Currency remains a major problem for independence advocates. Why they don't just say they'll have a Scottish pound is beyond me.
And yet the very people, let's call them PB Leavers, who say that for Brexit it is a price worth paying, in the long run all will be well, there are more important things to worry about than the economics....are the very same people who decry the Scots for wanting to take an equally economically-disadvantaging decision themselves.0 -
Precisely. But that puts Scotland on a par with Panama and the USD. Panama has amazingly strong banks and a severely strict banking code - exactly because it has no lender of last resort. If a Panamanian bank gets in trouble their depositors are going to lose everything. Panama is also a tax haven. I think Scotland can chosee the Pound or it can choose socialism. But not both.Morris_Dancer said:So, using the pound could happen, but without a lender of last resort.
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It's the same as Brexit only even more emotional. It makes sense for everyone to be good friends and neighbours in such situations, but as we well know, some on all sides for different reasons and political realities, fuelled by emotion, advocate bitterness and stubbornness even if it is self harming.Jobabob said:
I simply do not grasp this mean-spirited attitude to Scots independence. If the Scots choose to be independent then we should wish them well as a friend and neighbour and suggest measures to make the transition work for both countries' benefit. Yet all I hear on here is this bile.MarqueeMark said:
You've got a fortnight. Time to change the cash machines over.malcolmg said:
For sure, after a suitable period using our existing currency that we have a share in. Nice transition period to allow our money to be repatriated.CarlottaVance said:
So SindyRef2 nailed on then?scotslass said:Carlotta
Oh dear the news from German and independence support surging in Scotland - your world is starting to fall apart and all of your old certaintiesand prejudices with it.
Never mind have a drink put a bet of the Lib/Dems to win something.
Should Scotland leave the UK and set up its own currency?
The hope would be saner heads prevail over time, but it'll take grown up concessions in the event, and each side has reason to get their backs up when that is suggested, so any exits are more likely than not going to be messy.0 -
Yes, if you are a nationalist I think that trumps money. In my own life I would rather be self employed and free than in someone else's pay with them telling when I can go on holiday etcTOPPING said:
Is the rational way to view it as a Leaver.isam said:I would have no problem with the Scots going, and one way or the other they would make it work I am sure. The financial pain, should there be any, will be compensated for by the fact of independence.
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Should we win the euro clearing battle, then the BoE will in effect be lender of last resort to all EU-based institutions clearing through London.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bob, because having the UK taxpayer as lender of last resort for a part of the world that would have voted to leave the UK is unjust.
I'm perplexed as to why Scots who want [many, though not all] to leave also want to immediately hand their monetary policy to what would then be a foreign country.
But that's fine, right?0 -
Surely the scots just have a Scottish pound, with a mysterious currency peg of 1.00000; until they apply to join the Euro.
If accepted then they must adopt the euro.0
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