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Cartoons by Helen Cochrane and Nicholas Leonard.

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  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited February 2017
    If the queen actually were to stab Trump what would happen?

    (Apart from a global outpouring of thanks and admiration)

    EDIT: first like Donald Trump when he's inside you.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited February 2017
    It's the Cochrane woman again. Is she the new in house cartoonist?

    What does it mean? It doesn't seem to have a message or punchline.
  • PlankPlank Posts: 71
    Third?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited February 2017
    grabcocque said:

    If the queen actually were to stab Trump what would happen?

    (Apart from a global outpouring of thanks and admiration)

    Around 100 countries would want to become the Queen's Dominions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh (speaking now) has a very impressive décolletage.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    Is now an appropriate time to say I have tickets for Hamilton? Smugly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    Is now an appropriate time to say I have tickets for Hamilton? Smugly.
    Been there done that.

    Bragging about bagging Hamilton tickets is so 2015
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,597
    Surely the point about Bercow is that, like Trump, he was elected - in his case by MPs.

    And if he has the power re who addresses Parliament, then MPs need to realise that he can use that power.

    So, when MPs elect a Speaker, they need to take account of how candidates are likely to operate in all aspects of the role - including this aspect.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    How did your friend's date go ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    Is now an appropriate time to say I have tickets for Hamilton? Smugly.
    Who are the Accies playing?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    Is now an appropriate time to say I have tickets for Hamilton? Smugly.
    Been there done that.

    Bragging about bagging Hamilton tickets is so 2015
    Fuck fuck fuckity fuck.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    FPT on tonight's votes in Parliament:

    Remarkable unity on the Tory side, the whips are doing their jobs impressively well all things considered. This was the amendment I assumed had the highest chance of passing, which means this bill is now likely to go through to Third Reading and then the Lords unamended.

    Does anyone think any other proposed amendment has any chance of passing after tonight's vote?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Let the Golden Age begin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zAT15vaFk
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    How did your friend's date go ?
    Still ongoing.

    Which means the morning thread will be written in the morning.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    How did your friend's date go ?
    Still ongoing.

    Which means the morning thread will be written in the morning.
    Give the phone to your friend's date. We need some new blood round here.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/828725608301654016
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    How did your friend's date go ?
    Still ongoing.

    Which means the morning thread will be written in the morning.
    Get off your f*****g phone
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Any word on the state of Diane's migraine tonight?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    It's interesting to look back to the election of 2000.

    The good news for the Democrats:-

    Oregon has gone from level- pegging to 10% Dem,
    Virginia has gone from 8% Rep to 5% Dem,
    Colorado has gone from 8% Rep to 5% Dem,
    New Mexico has gone from level-pegging to 8% Dem,
    North Carolina has gone from 13% Rep to 4% Rep,
    Texas has gone 21% Rep to 9% Rep

    But:-

    W Virginia has gone 5% Rep to 41% Rep
    Pennsylvania has gone 4% Dem to 1% Rep
    Michigan has gone 5% Dem to 0.3% Rep
    Iowa 1% Dem to 9% Rep
    Ohio 3% Rep to 9% Rep
    Missouri 2% Rep to 18% Rep
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    edited February 2017
    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    GeoffM said:

    Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh (speaking now) has a very impressive décolletage.

    Welcome Mr Soames

    Woof woof
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    Any word on the state of Diane's migraine tonight?

    https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/828725143195226112
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling things is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think the NHS is badly run and inefficient and doesn't need more money.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    edited February 2017
    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/828725608301654016

    You can see why he fancies Laure - she has clearly been cut and pasted from the 1950s, including her dress sense and hairstyle.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,216
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    On topic, my my, all afternoon I've been giggling about Melania Mia.

    Is now an appropriate time to say I have tickets for Hamilton? Smugly.
    Been there done that.

    Bragging about bagging Hamilton tickets is so 2015
    If you had to cross the Atlantic, it doesn't count.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MarqueeMark said:

    Any word on the state of Diane's migraine tonight?

    Her date is on the phone to PB.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Why mind boggling and why idiots. The NHS and social care is hugely complex and not helped by abusing 50% of voters. The most recent poll had Theresa May more trusted than Corbyn on the NHS
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    Oh, well in that case all the extra doctors can just work for free! After all what's the point of being middle class if you can't whinge until everything goes your way?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    FPT, Beverley C it's a pity that you feel you need to leave the UK due to Brexit, but I'm sure we'll succeed without you.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    Freggles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    Oh, well in that case all the extra doctors can just work for free! After all what's the point of being middle class if you can't whinge until everything goes your way?
    The problems with the NHS are far broader than money alone. I go to hospitals far too often for my liking and regularly find myself wondering "why the f*ck is everything so disorganised and outdated". The NHS never feels very modern to me, a lot of the practices and systems seem to be several decades behind the times.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Freggles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    Oh, well in that case all the extra doctors can just work for free! After all what's the point of being middle class if you can't whinge until everything goes your way?
    Or maybe we could spend a higher proportion of already taken taxes on the NHS?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    edited February 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    If they want to treat the US as an enemy, they'd better beef up military spending.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    These 'idiots' look at the other far more efficient businesses they encounter and wonder why the NHS keeps asking for more and more money yet remains in perpetual "crisis".

    Education tends to do that for people. They stop accepting, "Give us more money" as the answer to everything.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    glw said:

    Freggles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    Oh, well in that case all the extra doctors can just work for free! After all what's the point of being middle class if you can't whinge until everything goes your way?
    The problems with the NHS are far broader than money alone. I go to hospitals far too often for my liking and regularly find myself wondering "why the f*ck is everything so disorganised and outdated". The NHS never feels very modern to me, a lot of the practices and systems seem to be several decades behind the times.
    - consultants having all the bargaining power and wanting their own fiefdoms
    - IT being demonized and little understood
    - likewise management
    - political interference
    - lack of money for long term strategic developments rather than locum staff
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    There are Arabs in the Israeli Parliament
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    Because the citizens of the country can vote?

    Because the nations that attacked Israel and from whom it took the land in self defence don't want the land back?

    Because the occupied populace are able to elect their own leaders who refuse to agree a peace deal with Israel?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    They are in deep trouble. Trump's IMF bailout veto is a tank on their lawn.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    FPT:
    foxinsoxuk said:

    And the news from Copeland is going to sew up the PB trainspotter vote:

    https://twitter.com/GillTroughton/status/828600983160758272

    I can't help feeling that the pledge would be more effective if engraved on a big lump of granite - especially given the constituency.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    Britain ruled a huge Empire, pre 1950, but was a democracy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Two French talking heads on Newsnight saying Fillon still very much in the game....
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    chestnut said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    These 'idiots' look at the other far more efficient businesses they encounter and wonder why the NHS keeps asking for more and more money yet remains in perpetual "crisis".

    Education tends to do that for people. They stop accepting, "Give us more money" as the answer to everything.



    Healthcare is completely different to trains or widgets or websites. It works well, people live longer, costs go up. You implement new technology and specialise, costs go up.
    Look at international comparator and tell me why we can't spend as much as broken socialist France under Hollande
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    There are Arabs in the Israeli Parliament
    That's not what I said. The West Bank is controlled by Israel yet the 2.7 million Arabs who live there cannot vote in the country that controls it. But that's just the tip of the iceberg...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
    It would be focused specifically on the UK and its economic relationship with Israel
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
    It would be focused specifically on the UK and its economic relationship with Israel
    And how - exactly - would that be different? Would we no longer take Jaffa oranges duty free, perhaps?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Freggles said:

    chestnut said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    These 'idiots' look at the other far more efficient businesses they encounter and wonder why the NHS keeps asking for more and more money yet remains in perpetual "crisis".

    Education tends to do that for people. They stop accepting, "Give us more money" as the answer to everything.



    Healthcare is completely different to trains or widgets or websites. It works well, people live longer, costs go up. You implement new technology and specialise, costs go up.
    Look at international comparator and tell me why we can't spend as much as broken socialist France under Hollande
    The predominant problem in British health is poor lifestyle, particularly a diet of sugar salt and fat, too little exercise, too much smoking, alcohol, and marital breakdown

    The reason that Britain scores so poorly on health indicators is far more basic than health care spending. It is the way that most of us live.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,320
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    Surprised your jaw isn't dislocated. It drops at the slightest criticism of Trump.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    Freggles said:

    Healthcare is completely different to trains or widgets or websites.

    The medical bit of the NHS is, but the way the NHS does purchasing, handles inventory, communicates internally and externally, manages itself, budgets, manages staff and so on, those things aren't very different. The NHS seems to do everything non-medical very poorly indeed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    chestnut said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    They are in deep trouble. Trump's IMF bailout veto is a tank on their lawn.

    Like Bercow today Germany and the EU are losing their marbles over Trump. They are playing the man when the real power lies with the Republican's who they should be cultivating and playing a longer term game. The only person so far to understand this is Theresa May and she will see the dividends in the course of time.

    The EU is not going to survive warfare against the US as they risk the US withdrawing their troops and equipment from Europe and starting a full on trade and financial war
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    dixiedean said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    Surprised your jaw isn't dislocated. It drops at the slightest criticism of Trump.
    @Spiegel_English is well worth reading. A voice of sanity amongst all the fake news, Trump groupies and Brexiteers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    edited February 2017
    GOP Congressman Joe Wilson calls Bercow's decision 'a slap in the face of the Republican Party' especially after Churchill's bust was returned to the Oval Office and the positive meeting between May and Trump. Time to dump Bercow for the Moggster I think!
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    FPT:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    And the news from Copeland is going to sew up the PB trainspotter vote:

    https://twitter.com/GillTroughton/status/828600983160758272

    I can't help feeling that the pledge would be more effective if engraved on a big lump of granite - especially given the constituency.
    I can't help feeling the pledge would be more effective if it didn't just list every communication and transport device she's come across. Or just cut to the chase and say "government spending money is good".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    There are Arabs in the Israeli Parliament
    That's not what I said. The West Bank is controlled by Israel yet the 2.7 million Arabs who live there cannot vote in the country that controls it. But that's just the tip of the iceberg...
    They vote in Palestinian elections
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
    It would be focused specifically on the UK and its economic relationship with Israel
    And how - exactly - would that be different? Would we no longer take Jaffa oranges duty free, perhaps?
    A better deal for banks, Rolls Royce, Unilever, defence manufacturers etc who all export to Israel but obviously once we leave the EU we will negotiate our own trade deals with a whole range of nations
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    chestnut said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    They are in deep trouble. Trump's IMF bailout veto is a tank on their lawn.

    Like Bercow today Germany and the EU are losing their marbles over Trump. They are playing the man when the real power lies with the Republican's who they should be cultivating and playing a longer term game. The only person so far to understand this is Theresa May and she will see the dividends in the course of time.

    The EU is not going to survive warfare against the US as they risk the US withdrawing their troops and equipment from Europe and starting a full on trade and financial war
    It's probably unwise to treat both the US and Russia as enemies.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Just wonder where the cartoons on Obama were? Any links?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    matt said:

    I can't help feeling the pledge would be more effective if it didn't just list every communication and transport device she's come across. Or just cut to the chase and say "government spending money is good".

    £500 billion he wants to spend.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    matt said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    FPT:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    And the news from Copeland is going to sew up the PB trainspotter vote:

    https://twitter.com/GillTroughton/status/828600983160758272

    I can't help feeling that the pledge would be more effective if engraved on a big lump of granite - especially given the constituency.
    I can't help feeling the pledge would be more effective if it didn't just list every communication and transport device she's come across. Or just cut to the chase and say "government spending money is good".
    Copeland has a good local candidate running on local issues, with a history of putting in the effort on the doorsteps. 2.98 is excellent value.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Report tonight that the Lords Speaker does not agree with Bercow and will issue a statement tomorrow. Will listen with interest
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Report on Vote2012 website from a LD deliverer today . He delivered a leaflet and personal addressed leter on the outskirts of the seat . Little sign of activity from other parties except one group of Labour canvassers . Very few posters and billboards . Total seen 4 Labour 3 Lib Dem Zero UKIP/Con
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    Britain ruled a huge Empire, pre 1950, but was a democracy.
    We occupied a portion of Iraq only a couple of years ago [with the US occupying the bulk of the nation] while we and the US were both still democracies.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    It only says what most of us are thinking.

    "Germany must stand up in opposition to the 45th president of the United States and his government. That's difficult enough already for two reasons: Because it is from the Americans that we obtained our liberal democracy in the first place; and because it is unclear how the brute and choleric man on the other side will react to diplomatic pressure."

    I love "brute and choleric man" and I do hope it is how a real German thinks you say that in English, not just a machine translation. But my main reaction is that I now realise that hitherto when I have said Trump scares me, I didn't really mean it. Now I do.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    glw said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling things is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think the NHS is badly run and inefficient and doesn't need more money.
    59% of them said that it was Shortage of or overworked healthcare prof / medical
    students / Govt cuts /Level or lack of funding for NHS / lack of resources
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    edited February 2017
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    If they want to treat the US as an enemy, they'd better beef up military spending.
    It took decades and tens of millions dead to convert Germany from an excruciatingly proficient martial nation to a peaceful law-abiding capitalist trading and manufacturing state. It's probably not a good idea to go backwards on that one...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    MarkSenior said:

    Report on Vote2012 website from a LD deliverer today . He delivered a leaflet and personal addressed leter on the outskirts of the seat . Little sign of activity from other parties except one group of Labour canvassers . Very few posters and billboards . Total seen 4 Labour 3 Lib Dem Zero UKIP/Con

    Reckon the conservatives will be using social media, e mails and concentrating on the postal votes which will be very important in a by election at this time of year
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    Err - try reading some history about South Africa or people might think you are a prejudiced clueless left leaning drone
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited February 2017
    foxinsoxuk said:

    matt said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    FPT:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    And the news from Copeland is going to sew up the PB trainspotter vote:

    https://twitter.com/GillTroughton/status/828600983160758272

    I can't help feeling that the pledge would be more effective if engraved on a big lump of granite - especially given the constituency.
    I can't help feeling the pledge would be more effective if it didn't just list every communication and transport device she's come across. Or just cut to the chase and say "government spending money is good".
    Copeland has a good local candidate running on local issues, with a history of putting in the effort on the doorsteps. 2.98 is excellent value.
    Perhaps. The pledge is, to put it mildly, a scattergun whinge.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    So Sean I fail to understand. The average person in England pays £2,057 towards their healthcare. Your objection is solely that you pay this in income tax and you would have no qualms in paying this to a private company, or even £2,500 (to bring us up to the European average) or even £3,000 as it becomes less efficient? Or even £10,000 if you have a long term condition. Which is it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Chris_A said:

    glw said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling things is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think the NHS is badly run and inefficient and doesn't need more money.
    59% of them said that it was Shortage of or overworked healthcare prof / medical
    students / Govt cuts /Level or lack of funding for NHS / lack of resources
    May still more trusted than Corbyn on the NHS
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    It seems that everyone is a pariah who doesn't march in step with you.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    weejonnie said:

    Just wonder where the cartoons on Obama were? Any links?

    It seems Obama got a free pass and a peace prize.

  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
    It would be focused specifically on the UK and its economic relationship with Israel
    And how - exactly - would that be different? Would we no longer take Jaffa oranges duty free, perhaps?
    A better deal for banks, Rolls Royce, Unilever, defence manufacturers etc who all export to Israel but obviously once we leave the EU we will negotiate our own trade deals with a whole range of nations
    What might that better deal be for, let's take one of your examples, R-R?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Isn't there an existing EU-Israel trade deal under the Euromed agreements?
    There may well be but post Brexit the UK will likely negotiate its own deal as it will do elsewhere as well
    And this deal would be different, how?
    It would be focused specifically on the UK and its economic relationship with Israel
    And how - exactly - would that be different? Would we no longer take Jaffa oranges duty free, perhaps?
    A better deal for banks, Rolls Royce, Unilever, defence manufacturers etc who all export to Israel but obviously once we leave the EU we will negotiate our own trade deals with a whole range of nations
    British banks are not prohibited from operating in Israel. There are no tariffs on exports from BAe or Rolls Royce into Israel.

    I'm still trying to work out which products we'll now be able to sell tariff free into Israel that are currently subject to tariffs.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    There are Arabs in the Israeli Parliament
    That's not what I said. The West Bank is controlled by Israel yet the 2.7 million Arabs who live there cannot vote in the country that controls it. But that's just the tip of the iceberg...
    Oh god , don't start him on the jews again......
  • PrinceofTarantoPrinceofTaranto Posts: 335
    HYUFD said:

    GOP Congressman Joe Wilson calls Bercow's decision 'a slap in the face of the Republican Party' especially after Churchill's bust was returned to the Oval Office and the positive meeting between May and Trump. Time to dump Bercow for the Moggster I think!

    Bercow has to go immediately.If the Commons sticks by him there will have to be a General Election in April.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    It seems that everyone is a pariah who doesn't march in step with you.
    Are you a fan of Trump and Netanyahu?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Chris_A said:

    Sean_F said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think they pay sufficient taxes already.
    So Sean I fail to understand. The average person in England pays £2,057 towards their healthcare. Your objection is solely that you pay this in income tax and you would have no qualms in paying this to a private company, or even £2,500 (to bring us up to the European average) or even £3,000 as it becomes less efficient? Or even £10,000 if you have a long term condition. Which is it?
    I think I pay sufficient in tax for the government to make do.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Report on Vote2012 website from a LD deliverer today . He delivered a leaflet and personal addressed leter on the outskirts of the seat . Little sign of activity from other parties except one group of Labour canvassers . Very few posters and billboards . Total seen 4 Labour 3 Lib Dem Zero UKIP/Con

    Reckon the conservatives will be using social media, e mails and concentrating on the postal votes which will be very important in a by election at this time of year
    The Conservatives will be 4th in Stoke .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    edited February 2017
    foxinsoxuk said:

    matt said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    FPT:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    And the news from Copeland is going to sew up the PB trainspotter vote:

    https://twitter.com/GillTroughton/status/828600983160758272

    I can't help feeling that the pledge would be more effective if engraved on a big lump of granite - especially given the constituency.
    I can't help feeling the pledge would be more effective if it didn't just list every communication and transport device she's come across. Or just cut to the chase and say "government spending money is good".
    Copeland has a good local candidate running on local issues, with a history of putting in the effort on the doorsteps. 2.98 is excellent value.
    The Tories had a big campaign day with Ruth Davidson on January 21st (apparently the biggest ever in Cumbria) and are now doing big pushes every weekend. I will be phoning again in Copeland tomorrow evening
    https://www.facebook.com/Copeland-Conservatives-Campaign-page-661109930660808/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    Oh for pity's sake. Israel is not an international pariah, Trump is not the Antichrist, a state visit is not a portent of the Rapture. This site badly needs a sense of proportion.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Ishmael_Z said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    It only says what most of us are thinking.

    "Germany must stand up in opposition to the 45th president of the United States and his government. That's difficult enough already for two reasons: Because it is from the Americans that we obtained our liberal democracy in the first place; and because it is unclear how the brute and choleric man on the other side will react to diplomatic pressure."

    I love "brute and choleric man" and I do hope it is how a real German thinks you say that in English, not just a machine translation. But my main reaction is that I now realise that hitherto when I have said Trump scares me, I didn't really mean it. Now I do.
    Trump certainly scares them.

    He's calling them out for an undervalued currency - which is true.
    He's calling them out for underspending on european defence - which is true.

    The thing is that major politicians in the UK, France and Italy are all calling them on one or the other, as well.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    How can a country with the West Bank under occupation and unable to vote be described as a democracy?
    Because the citizens of the country can vote?

    Because the nations that attacked Israel and from whom it took the land in self defence don't want the land back?

    Because the occupied populace are able to elect their own leaders who refuse to agree a peace deal with Israel?
    If you expect reason and sanity on Roger over Israel then you haven't being paying attention :-)
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    HYUFD said:

    GOP Congressman Joe Wilson calls Bercow's decision 'a slap in the face of the Republican Party' especially after Churchill's bust was returned to the Oval Office and the positive meeting between May and Trump. Time to dump Bercow for the Moggster I think!

    It's obvious that May is desperate for a US trade deal and is willing to pay the price of cosying up to Trump to get it. Other people are free to be honest about their opinions of him and frankly I don't give a toss that some GOP congressman is offended that some people don't like the President his party has landed us with.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Roger said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    It seems that everyone is a pariah who doesn't march in step with you.
    Are you a fan of Trump and Netanyahu?
    No, but I don't see them as opponents, either.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,972
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Report on Vote2012 website from a LD deliverer today . He delivered a leaflet and personal addressed leter on the outskirts of the seat . Little sign of activity from other parties except one group of Labour canvassers . Very few posters and billboards . Total seen 4 Labour 3 Lib Dem Zero UKIP/Con

    Reckon the conservatives will be using social media, e mails and concentrating on the postal votes which will be very important in a by election at this time of year
    There is phoning from CCHQ and regional centres every weekday evening in Copeland now with the results co-ordinated with the local association. All I will say from my phoning is it will be close between the Tories and Labour, there is certainly little enthusiasm for Corbyn and plenty for Brexit
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Why mind boggling and why idiots. The NHS and social care is hugely complex and not helped by abusing 50% of voters. The most recent poll had Theresa May more trusted than Corbyn on the NHS
    Because 59% of the very same sample said that the problems were caused by lack of funding. If we want a better health service we will have to pay for it. The Mid Staffs report was published 4 years ago today. Lots of people on here were up in arms about it and using it against the Labour government, but at least Labour increased the funding for health towards what it should be. With the current government's cuts then Mid Staffs will happen again.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    MarkSenior said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Report on Vote2012 website from a LD deliverer today . He delivered a leaflet and personal addressed leter on the outskirts of the seat . Little sign of activity from other parties except one group of Labour canvassers . Very few posters and billboards . Total seen 4 Labour 3 Lib Dem Zero UKIP/Con

    Reckon the conservatives will be using social media, e mails and concentrating on the postal votes which will be very important in a by election at this time of year
    The Conservatives will be 4th in Stoke .
    To be fair I was refering to Copeland. No way will they win Stoke
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,320
    HYUFD said:

    GOP Congressman Joe Wilson calls Bercow's decision 'a slap in the face of the Republican Party' especially after Churchill's bust was returned to the Oval Office and the positive meeting between May and Trump. Time to dump Bercow for the Moggster I think!

    So we dump our Speaker cos of criticism from a lawmaker of a foreign power. How patriotic! That's truly taking back control.
  • PrinceofTarantoPrinceofTaranto Posts: 335
    Ishmael_Z said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ryan Lizza
    This editorial in @SPIEGEL_English is jaw-dropping. It calls for a German-led international alliance against Trump. https://t.co/rvoSDz2t4R

    Hmm

    It only says what most of us are thinking.

    "Germany must stand up in opposition to the 45th president of the United States and his government. That's difficult enough already for two reasons: Because it is from the Americans that we obtained our liberal democracy in the first place; and because it is unclear how the brute and choleric man on the other side will react to diplomatic pressure."

    I love "brute and choleric man" and I do hope it is how a real German thinks you say that in English, not just a machine translation. But my main reaction is that I now realise that hitherto when I have said Trump scares me, I didn't really mean it. Now I do.
    NATO is not going to survive much more of this .The Germans have taken leave of their senses.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Floater said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Eric Pickles calls for a trade deal with Israel
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/02/eric-pickles-netanyahus-visit-it-would-be-fitting-were-britain-later-to-sign-its-first-free-trade-deal-with-the-middle-easts-only-true-democracy.html

    Britain certainly knows how to pick the pariahs! Pity Pinochet and PW Botha are dead. or May could have had them join the party
    Err - try reading some history about South Africa or people might think you are a prejudiced clueless left leaning drone
    "Thatcher could not stand Botha, whom she knew to have been a German sympathiser during the Second World War. When she met him at Chequers in June 1984, the notes taken by Botha’s foreign minister show that she told him “very firmly” that “apartheid had to be dismantled, Mandela and other prisoners released” and the “forcible removal of urban blacks had to stop”.

    This message received the unlikely praise of Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, then president of the anti-apartheid movement, who wrote to Thatcher to say that her demands to Botha were “truly all I could have wished for”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11403728/Margaret-Thatchers-secret-campaign-to-end-apartheid.html
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Chris_A said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling thing is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Why mind boggling and why idiots. The NHS and social care is hugely complex and not helped by abusing 50% of voters. The most recent poll had Theresa May more trusted than Corbyn on the NHS
    Because 59% of the very same sample said that the problems were caused by lack of funding. If we want a better health service we will have to pay for it. The Mid Staffs report was published 4 years ago today. Lots of people on here were up in arms about it and using it against the Labour government, but at least Labour increased the funding for health towards what it should be. With the current government's cuts then Mid Staffs will happen again.
    Perhaps the NHS should operate more efficiently?

  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    edited February 2017
    Chris_A said:

    glw said:

    Chris_A said:

    I bet for all that Jeremy Hunt bangs on about duty of candour and support for whistle blowers that Kevin McGee has been crossed off his Christmas card list after tonight's BBC news report.

    The mind boggling things is that 50% think that raising income tax to fund the NHS sufficiently is not appropriate. Where the hell do these idiots think the money is coming from?

    Maybe they think the NHS is badly run and inefficient and doesn't need more money.
    59% of them said that it was Shortage of or overworked healthcare prof / medical
    students / Govt cuts /Level or lack of funding for NHS / lack of resources
    I don't suppose the average respondent really has any idea how something as large and complicated as the NHS operates, or what the problems really are caused by. Those sorts of polls are close to worthless in my opinion.

    We have this collective cognitive dissonance in Britain that the NHS is both the "envy of the world" and permanently in crisis. Until we honestly and accurately appraise the NHS we will never fix it.
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