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care to explain the implications for the financially illiterate (me)?williamglenn said:Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:
https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/8272934839919820800 -
Boy, there is trouble coming down the tracks in America. A crisis the like of which we haven't seen for decades.williamglenn said:Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:
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Was that before or after he undertook the world's first heart surgery operation?foxinsoxuk said:
He won the World Cup when he Captained England. Don't knock him!RobD said:
His Excellency Professor Lord Nuttall BSC SSC.FrancisUrquhart said:
Nuttall is a doctor as well ;-)foxinsoxuk said:
True in Stoke also.justin124 said:The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.
Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.0 -
To offer the alternative view, based on her performance on the sofa I have placed £2 on Harperson to be next leader at 210/1. She was articulate and feisty and still up for the fight. And frankly was Shakespeare compared to Abbott or Corbyn or Lewis.foxinsoxuk said:
Np, just refighting eighties battles over Thatcher.RobD said:
Was Portillo mansplaining, or something equally as heinous?foxinsoxuk said:
The body language between her and Portillo is quite something.isam said:Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry
Liz Kendall was SPAD to HH, but seems to have a more forgiving nature.
Its a long long shot, but who knows in this mad mad world.0 -
labour had an excellent potential candidate in Dr Stephen Hitchin for Stoke Central, unfortunately he pulled out after being shortlisted.FrancisUrquhart said:
Nuttall is a doctor as well ;-)foxinsoxuk said:
True in Stoke also.justin124 said:The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.
Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.0 -
Bloomberg reported on the letter to Yellen back on Tuesday:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-31/yellen-urged-to-halt-talks-on-global-bank-rules-for-trump-review0 -
Today is deadline day (midnight us time) for a bunch of my work (grants applications cycle). I have my bits done (as of about 48 hours ago, but my colleagues are all going down to the wire. Just as well Dubai is +9 hours ... It will be a long night.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would hate to see how close to the submission deadline the timestamps of the pdfs forRobD said:
I really don't think that is telling. Who doesn't spend up until the deadline working on proposals?williamglenn said:
The timestamp on the document showed it was finished at 4:30 AM on the morning of publication and contained several factual errors. If they have a more detailed analysis to draw from they're doing a good job of hiding it. Everything points to it being Fred Karno's Brexit.RobD said:
Did the government say this was all they had done? I thought they still wanted to maintain the no running commentary line.williamglenn said:twitter.com/hpy/status/827294392062976001
somemost of my academic papers in the past have been!0 -
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There's a Town ward in Gosport too and doubtless many others similarly boring across the country.Jobabob said:
It's simple job really. Pick names for 10 wards and then take the rest of the day off.
Yes, agreed, show some bloody imagination!0 -
I'd be interested in hearing the public's view on the Basel accords. If sure it would be illuminating.rottenborough said:
Boy, there is trouble coming down the tracks in America. A crisis the like of which we haven't seen for decades.williamglenn said:Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:
https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/827293483991982080
FWIW, Basel IV will have an impact on consumers because of increased debt collateral requirements. I doubt they'd know or care though. Of course, for real estate developers whose business model is leverage this is important.....0 -
Classic line from Michael Portillo to Derek Hatton on This Week: "Derek, you're enthusiastic about what's happened to the Labour Party, and so are we."0
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In the middle of winter - should bring the government down!RobD said:Was project fear right all along? Lettuce rationing....
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38851097
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I see their overnight success has led to the return of the Chuck Norris Lib Dems in the betting markets on Stoke.0
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Has Bobajob sobered up yet?GeoffM said:
There's a Town ward in Gosport too and doubtless many others similarly boring across the country.Jobabob said:
It's simple job really. Pick names for 10 wards and then take the rest of the day off.
Yes, agreed, show some bloody imagination!
Hope he had a pint of water before going to bed last night.0 -
How could we tell?Casino_Royale said:
Has Bobajob sobered up yet?GeoffM said:
There's a Town ward in Gosport too and doubtless many others similarly boring across the country.Jobabob said:
It's simple job really. Pick names for 10 wards and then take the rest of the day off.
Yes, agreed, show some bloody imagination!0 -
Not inconcievable. If Corbyn is deposed then it cannot be a nonentity like Owen Smith, a grandee is more likely. A female one would be likely, and HH has been an effective acting leader.rottenborough said:
To offer the alternative view, based on her performance on the sofa I have placed £2 on Harperson to be next leader at 210/1. She was articulate and feisty and still up for the fight. And frankly was Shakespeare compared to Abbott or Corbyn or Lewis.foxinsoxuk said:
Np, just refighting eighties battles over Thatcher.RobD said:
Was Portillo mansplaining, or something equally as heinous?foxinsoxuk said:
The body language between her and Portillo is quite something.isam said:Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry
Liz Kendall was SPAD to HH, but seems to have a more forgiving nature.
Its a long long shot, but who knows in this mad mad world.
A long shot....0 -
I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Dinnington was supposedly "Too close to call between Labour, UKIP and Liberal Democrats" - I think we better put that one down to "local factors", Harry! Too many well-liked independents for the LibDems to thrive.... (And we'll draw a veil over Brinsworth too.... a 38% swing away from Labour could hardly have been expected.)justin124 said:
Rather less sign of a LibDem surge there!justin124 said:Dinnington
Lab 670
UKIP 303
Con 238
Ind Smith 232
Ind Hart 180
Ind Scott 81
Green 78
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Except they've already asked to be briefed by her on her meeting with Trump.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Lib Dems get over 50% surge to win in Rotherham with 66%.
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
So, tonight's council by-election results:
Lab gain from UKIP.
LDem gain from Lab.
Con HOLD.
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Brinsworth & Catcliffe (Rotherham) result:
LDEM: 66.0% (+50.4)
LAB: 17.1% (-26.2)
UKIP: 12.8% (-16.4)
CON: 3.0% (-8.8)
GRN: 1.0% (+1.0)
Britain Elects @britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Dinnington:
LAB 36.1% (+15.5)
UKIP 16.3 (-3.1)
CON 12.8 (+2.8)
IND 12.5 (-3.7)
IND 9.7 (-3.7)
IND 4.4 (+4.4)
GRN 4.2 (-3.5)
LDEM 4.0 (+4.0)
Britain Elects @britainelects 8h8 hours ago
Town (East Staffordshire) result:
CON: 52.3% (-0.3)
LAB: 29.9% (-3.0)
UKIP: 17.8% (+17.8)
No Grn candidate this time round.0 -
Catcliffe is immortalised by Pulp in the Catcliffe Shakedownslade said:Interesting factoid about Brinsworth and Catcliffe - it contains the site of the Orgreave Coke works ( now redeveloped).
"Straight down the Parkway follow your nose to a place where nobody wants to go ..."
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Without going all Donald Trump why the hell are we expanding NATO further into the Balkans? Do we want a war?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for Micky Fallon.
Nato must begin to compete on the cyber-battlefield to counter Russian hacking aimed at undermining democracy in the US and western Europe, the British defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has said.
In his most hard-hitting comments yet about Russia, he accused it of targeting the US, France, Germany, Holland, Bulgaria and Montenegro, which is due to become a full Nato member this year.
Fallon blamed Russia for helping create the age of fake information. “Today we see a country that, in weaponising misinformation, has created what we might now see as the post-truth age. Part of that is the use of cyber-weaponry to disrupt critical infrastructure and disable democratic machinery,” he said.
His anti-Russian rhetoric contrasts with that of the US president, Donald Trump, who, in a shift from his predecessor, Barack Obama, appears to be moving towards rapprochement with Moscow and has described Nato as obsolete.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/02/nato-must-do-more-to-counter-russias-cyber-weaponry-says-fallon0 -
That's funny. Open and Liberal are words that you cannot put together. Liberals are not democrats in any way. 2nd referendum anybody? And they openly support religions that area sexist and racist, whilst despising the decent, local people.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
daodao said:
I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
I take it the "a"s are silent in your name? Dodo - like the "European perspective"....0 -
I'm not worried about the Balkans. My biggest concern is Kiev's consideration of a national referendum on joining NATO.DavidL said:
Without going all Donald Trump why the hell are we expanding NATO further into the Balkans? Do we want a war?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for Micky Fallon.
Nato must begin to compete on the cyber-battlefield to counter Russian hacking aimed at undermining democracy in the US and western Europe, the British defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has said.
In his most hard-hitting comments yet about Russia, he accused it of targeting the US, France, Germany, Holland, Bulgaria and Montenegro, which is due to become a full Nato member this year.
Fallon blamed Russia for helping create the age of fake information. “Today we see a country that, in weaponising misinformation, has created what we might now see as the post-truth age. Part of that is the use of cyber-weaponry to disrupt critical infrastructure and disable democratic machinery,” he said.
His anti-Russian rhetoric contrasts with that of the US president, Donald Trump, who, in a shift from his predecessor, Barack Obama, appears to be moving towards rapprochement with Moscow and has described Nato as obsolete.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/02/nato-must-do-more-to-counter-russias-cyber-weaponry-says-fallon
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/02/02/508764/Ukraine-Poroshenko-NATO-membership-referendum
Combined with Poland's attempts to strengthen bilateral ties with Belarus (and by implication, detach Minsk from Moscow), this is a real flash point for the Russkies imo.0 -
I'll take that as a prompt to bring my A game.John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
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They can ask but we can say no and really must. The Article 5 obligations for NATO are an extremely serious commitment and should not be taken on just so some politician can grandstand. I agree about the Ukraine and Belarus but the Balkans has been a trouble spot that drags others in for, well, just over 100 years now! (Arguably longer if you think about Crimea and the various Turkish wars)John_M said:
I'm not worried about the Balkans. My biggest concern is Kiev's consideration of a national referendum on joining NATO.DavidL said:
Without going all Donald Trump why the hell are we expanding NATO further into the Balkans? Do we want a war?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for Micky Fallon.
Nato must begin to compete on the cyber-battlefield to counter Russian hacking aimed at undermining democracy in the US and western Europe, the British defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has said.
In his most hard-hitting comments yet about Russia, he accused it of targeting the US, France, Germany, Holland, Bulgaria and Montenegro, which is due to become a full Nato member this year.
Fallon blamed Russia for helping create the age of fake information. “Today we see a country that, in weaponising misinformation, has created what we might now see as the post-truth age. Part of that is the use of cyber-weaponry to disrupt critical infrastructure and disable democratic machinery,” he said.
His anti-Russian rhetoric contrasts with that of the US president, Donald Trump, who, in a shift from his predecessor, Barack Obama, appears to be moving towards rapprochement with Moscow and has described Nato as obsolete.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/02/nato-must-do-more-to-counter-russias-cyber-weaponry-says-fallon
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/02/02/508764/Ukraine-Poroshenko-NATO-membership-referendum
Combined with Poland's attempts to strengthen bilateral ties with Belarus (and by implication, detach Minsk from Moscow), this is a real flash point for the Russkies imo.0 -
Do we have any raw voting numbers from last nights by elections and from the previous time the seats were contested?0
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I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
Most interesting results from Rotherham, the demise of UKIp continues and the rise of the Lib Dems pushes on where they are working hard, as in Stoke Central. Turnout 32% at Brinsworth and 19% at Dinnington. That shows what they achieved by concentrated effort. Understand Dinnington they did virtually nothing. It will be fascinating to see if the BBC and others make any comment, because a turnout of 32% may be similair to what we might expect at Stoke.0
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I couldn't handle anymore of hearing about the nutter in the White House -narcissists are tedious enough even when they're not on the news 24 hours a day-but this morning when looking for something else I cae accross this. I know it's the Express but isn't that film footage a worrying indication of the shape of things to come? I think he's running out of things to amuse him
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/762195/donald-trump-ballistic-missile-iran-deal?utm_source=externaloutbrain&utm_medium=recommendations&utm_term=paid&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=2016&utm_term=00a225d5569ccc3844c44a9017eafa4fbe0 -
Fresh from having congenial chats with Donald J Trump, Vladimir Putin was in Budapest yesterday (messing up the parking outside my flat). Here's a local report on the discussion he had with Viktor Orban:
http://www.xpatloop.com/news/orban-putin_meeting_in_budapest
It all sounds very chummy. Prime Minister Orban is quite expert at playing both ends against the middle, mind.0 -
Aren't by elections a little different from local council elections?theakes said:Most interesting results from Rotherham, the demise of UKIp continues and the rise of the Lib Dems pushes on where they are working hard, as in Stoke Central. Turnout 32% at Brinsworth and 19% at Dinnington. That shows what they achieved by concentrated effort. Understand Dinnington they did virtually nothing. It will be fascinating to see if the BBC and others make any comment, because a turnout of 32% may be similair to what we might expect at Stoke.
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https://twitter.com/election_data/status/827312698618687488
It would be interesting if we knew turnout levels when the seats were last contested.0 -
If you are having to explain your gags in brackets like that (May), you lose.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Rotherham LD exactly 2K votes.tlg86 said:Do we have any raw voting numbers from last nights by elections and from the previous time the seats were contested?
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daodao said:
I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
Maltese attitudes.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2015-01-31/human/Only-the-Greeks-beat-the-Maltese-in-immigration-disapproval-global-poll-6736129401
May's a bit wet for them, so maybe you're right.0 -
In the real world, yes. For the PB Chuck Norrises, who knows.Blue_rog said:
Aren't by elections a little different from local council elections?theakes said:Most interesting results from Rotherham, the demise of UKIp continues and the rise of the Lib Dems pushes on where they are working hard, as in Stoke Central. Turnout 32% at Brinsworth and 19% at Dinnington. That shows what they achieved by concentrated effort. Understand Dinnington they did virtually nothing. It will be fascinating to see if the BBC and others make any comment, because a turnout of 32% may be similair to what we might expect at Stoke.
Hat tip CR - that is a tremendous naming effort!
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Lolz - great mistaken identity
@maitlis
Erm. This is me. And I'm pretty sure I never ran a CIA black site for torture.. #Newsnight https://t.co/JjQMDHltCF0 -
Thank you. That's a very good effort from the Lib Dems. It's hard to compare with last time as it's a multi member constituency but the taking the top Labour candidate and the rest comes to 3,595 votes:dr_spyn said:
Rotherham LD exactly 2K votes.tlg86 said:Do we have any raw voting numbers from last nights by elections and from the previous time the seats were contested?
http://rotherham.gov.uk/electionresults
http://tinyurl.com/guuq8mj
So turnout wasn't down a great deal in this seat.0 -
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A quick look at your post and you seem to be the one who has problems with female leaders. Or doesn't the 'sainted Angela' count as a female?CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
Poodle is hardly a sexist term. Say the word in a political context, and the first image which come to mind is Blair.CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
Are you sure 20mg a day is enough medication?Dixie said:
That's funny. Open and Liberal are words that you cannot put together. Liberals are not democrats in any way. 2nd referendum anybody? And they openly support religions that area sexist and racist, whilst despising the decent, local people.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
Indeed. Apart from here I struggle to find a handful of people still whingeing about the result of the referendum.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.
Lib dems are definitely winning local votes - but I struggle to see how this is converted into a tangible number of Parly seats.0 -
Have you not worked out yet that this place is Shutter Island, you are a mental patient and we are your carers?AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
He must have - he's not postingCarlottaVance said:
How could we tell?Casino_Royale said:
Has Bobajob sobered up yet?GeoffM said:
There's a Town ward in Gosport too and doubtless many others similarly boring across the country.Jobabob said:
It's simple job really. Pick names for 10 wards and then take the rest of the day off.
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Perhaps the post with the most non sequiturs ever on PB. Sunil has at last found his matchDixie said:
That's funny. Open and Liberal are words that you cannot put together. Liberals are not democrats in any way. 2nd referendum anybody? And they openly support religions that area sexist and racist, whilst despising the decent, local people.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
Soooooo, current Republicans saw the housing boom under Bush Jr and want some of that again because there was absolutely no problems with that?williamglenn said:Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:
twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/8272934839919820800 -
Merkel would pursue an 'open, liberal and tolerant' agenda too from your perspective there is little real difference between her and Schulz it is the AfD and Die Linke who provide a real ideological alternative in Germany. On France Macron May win round 2 if he gets there which is no given but Le Pen will likely win round 1 as Wilders will likely top the poll in the Netherlands next month.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.0 -
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
Can anyone shed any light on this Bowling Green Massacre thing? Sounds awful.0
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*waves*AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
It is on topic.Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.-1 -
All well and good for the yellows but the Liberals have always done well at pavement politics and building from council level up. Until they start winning parliamentary by elections in Leave areas as well as council by elections and start to make some real progress in the polls all those gains will make little difference to their aim of a soft Brexit or a second referendum. Unless they at least come second in Copeland and/or Stoke their renaissance still has a while to come to full fruition yetAlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
‘were’ absolutely or ‘problem’.Alistair said:
Soooooo, current Republicans saw the housing boom under Bush Jr and want some of that again because there was absolutely no problems with that?williamglenn said:Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:
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these LD "surges" are not being recorded in VI polls. Its mainly anti Labour voting..IMHO and anti UKIPGeoffM said:
Have you not worked out yet that this place is Shutter Island, you are a mental patient and we are your carers?AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Thanks for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Meeks, you are a silly sausage.
BBC top story is Russian hacking. Sad that some daft sods still want to inflict electronic voting on us.0 -
It has the same basis in reality as "whisky export duty"Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone shed any light on this Bowling Green Massacre thing? Sounds awful.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
I was applauding your post, not complaining about it.AlastairMeeks said:
It is on topic.Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
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There's a great site: Angry People In Local Newspapers which specialises in real photos of exactly that.Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.
apiln.blogspot.com
It's well worth some of anyone's idle browsing time. He did a spinoff called Dull News In Local Newspapers
dniln.blogspot.com
which is why I replied to your comment but after taking a quick look that one has gone quiet recently.0 -
If you can win in Brinsworth and Richmond, then you can win anywhere to be perfectly honest.0
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We're all dreaming that Corbyn and his clique of 450,000 will be cast into a bottomless pit and the 175 rebellious Labour MPs will join forces with the Scot Nats and the resergent Lib Dems and get David Milliband from across the water to come and lead a great revival of the centre left that will sweep May from office on a manifesto commitment of re-running the referendum with new voting restrictions on those over 75 with low IQs who live in East-Coast seaside towns (and Hartlepool).Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
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I wonder if Jeremy will be talking about local election results today!0
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Trump's UN envoy has either gone rogue or there's a change of ideology in Russia in trumpland.0
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Ah, but there's another twist in the plot...GeoffM said:
Have you not worked out yet that this place is Shutter Island, you are a mental patient and we are your carers?AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.
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Mr. Roger, offering double votes to those with IQs over 125 as well, presumably?
Said it before, but IQ is not intelligence.0 -
And how would someone like you possibly be able to tell?John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
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I'm intrigued why poodles were singled out - they're widely believed to be the smartest breed - and a circus act favourite.CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
If you can win at the Gates of Heaven and you can win in the Satanic Mills, you stand for nothing.Pulpstar said:If you can win in Brinsworth and Richmond, then you can win anywhere to be perfectly honest.
Good politics isn't about winning everywhere.
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OMG, we'll have court cases disputing where dots and commas go next!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/theresa-may-faces-fresh-legal-challenge-brexit-david-davis-refuses/0 -
I'm stiill chuckling over @isam and his traffic warden nerd comment. Spot on.Mortimer said:
In the real world, yes. For the PB Chuck Norrises, who knows.Blue_rog said:
Aren't by elections a little different from local council elections?theakes said:Most interesting results from Rotherham, the demise of UKIp continues and the rise of the Lib Dems pushes on where they are working hard, as in Stoke Central. Turnout 32% at Brinsworth and 19% at Dinnington. That shows what they achieved by concentrated effort. Understand Dinnington they did virtually nothing. It will be fascinating to see if the BBC and others make any comment, because a turnout of 32% may be similair to what we might expect at Stoke.
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Miss Plato, surely border collies?
Might be because poodles were used by the French as hunting dogs.
My first hound was a cross-breed. Half-border collie, half-something else (probably poodle or labrador). She was very clever.0 -
Speaking of not posting - where's @Speedy ?felix said:
He must have - he's not postingCarlottaVance said:
How could we tell?Casino_Royale said:
Has Bobajob sobered up yet?GeoffM said:
There's a Town ward in Gosport too and doubtless many others similarly boring across the country.Jobabob said:
It's simple job really. Pick names for 10 wards and then take the rest of the day off.
Yes, agreed, show some bloody imagination!0 -
I have two yorkshire terrier / miniature poodle crosses. Wonderful, intelligent, affectionate little blighters. I think the older one would make a fine Labour party leader. Just putting it out there if anyone's reading.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, surely border collies?
Might be because poodles were used by the French as hunting dogs.
My first hound was a cross-breed. Half-border collie, half-something else (probably poodle or labrador). She was very clever.0 -
Viszlas!0
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Already happened.Blue_rog said:OMG, we'll have court cases disputing where dots and commas go next!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/theresa-may-faces-fresh-legal-challenge-brexit-david-davis-refuses/
At Casement's highly publicized trial for treason, the prosecution had trouble arguing its case. Casement's crimes had been carried out in Germany and the Treason Act 1351 seemed to apply only to activities carried out on English (or arguably British) soil.
A close reading of the Act allowed for a broader interpretation: the court decided that a comma should be read in the unpunctuated original Norman-French text, crucially altering the sense so that "in the realm or elsewhere" referred to where acts were done and not just to where the "King's enemies" may be.
Afterwards, Casement himself wrote that he was to be "hanged on a comma" leading to the well used epigram.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Casement0 -
We feel your pain.Roger said:
We're all dreaming that Corbyn and his clique of 450,000 will be cast into a bottomless pit and the 175 rebellious Labour MPs will join forces with the Scot Nats and the resergent Lib Dems and get David Milliband from across the water to come and lead a great revival of the centre left that will sweep May from office on a manifesto commitment of re-running the referendum with new voting restrictions on those over 75 with low IQs who live in East-Coast seaside towns (and Hartlepool).Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
OGH performs a valuable service by providing a place where so many fools and demented partisans can find each other.
Watch this, you'll feel better:
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HMRC wants to inflict online tax collection on all of us, except possibly for MPs' tax affairs.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Thanks for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Meeks, you are a silly sausage.
BBC top story is Russian hacking. Sad that some daft sods still want to inflict electronic voting on us.0 -
I wasn't the one who thought 'bitch in heat' was an appropriate metaphor for a leader of any party - if I recall correctly, you rejoiced in repeating it.Roger said:
A quick look at your post and you seem to be the one who has problems with female leaders. Or doesn't the 'sainted Angela' count as a female?CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
You 'd prefer to fill paper forms?rural_voter said:
HMRC wants to inflict online tax collection on all of us, except possibly for MPs' tax affairs.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Thanks for this, Mr. Hayfield.
Mr. Meeks, you are a silly sausage.
BBC top story is Russian hacking. Sad that some daft sods still want to inflict electronic voting on us.
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While thinking the first legal challenge was on an important point but recognising that some additional ones may take the piss a bit (judge each on its merits), but am I right in thinking the placement of dots and commas can be of great significance? - It may be an urban legend but I heard there was a key US Supreme Court ruling on gun rights which hinged on comma placement in the second amendment, and therefore what the framers intended (notwithstanding as with all documents there are drafting errors).Blue_rog said:OMG, we'll have court cases disputing where dots and commas go next!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/theresa-may-faces-fresh-legal-challenge-brexit-david-davis-refuses/
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Can you explain what the fundamental difference is between a "six month pause in processing refugees from Iraq" and a "nine month suspension of entry rights to people born in Iraq"Scott_P said:
It has the same basis in reality as "whisky export duty"Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone shed any light on this Bowling Green Massacre thing? Sounds awful.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened?CMP=share_btn_tw
One is slightly longer and slightly more broadly drawn, but I am struggling to see the difference in principle between the two.0 -
Mr. Patrick, yes.
Mr. Voter, aye, that's bonkers too. As an option, it's fine, but mandatory is ridiculous.0 -
Be fair to the LDs. They do get the paving slabs running on time.
Brexit is on course and they yearn for a brighter yesterday.0 -
Possibly an obedience thing, and also that poodles had a reputation for being for show.PlatoSaid said:
I'm intrigued why poodles were singled out - they're widely believed to be the smartest breed - and a circus act favourite.CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......
Being referred to as someones poodle has very different connotations to being their terrier. As a Border Terrier owner, I would never cite them as evidence of obedience. Indeed that spirited independent nature is part of their charm.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament
LOL. They can hand out their Verhofstadts, but they can't take their Ted Mallochs.
"The European parliament’s main political parties are making an unprecedented attempt to block Donald Trump’s likely choice as ambassador to the European Union from EU buildings, describing him as hostile and malevolent.
In a startling move that threatens a major diplomatic row, the leaders of the conservative, socialist and liberal groups in Brussels have written to the European commission and the European council, whose members represent the 28 EU states, to reject the appointment of Ted Malloch.
Malloch, a businessman who stridently supported Brexit ahead of the vote in June, is said to have been interviewed for the post by Trump.
When recently asked by the BBC why he was interested in moving to Brussels, Malloch replied: “I had in a previous career a diplomatic post where I helped bring down the Soviet Union. So maybe there’s another union that needs a little taming.”"0 -
Because under the 'pause' Iraqi refugees still entered America trough the entirety of the period, just the processing of applications slowed down as more detailed vetting was applied retroactively to claimants.Charles said:
Can you explain what the fundamental difference is between a "six month pause in processing refugees from Iraq" and a "nine month suspension of entry rights to people born in Iraq"Scott_P said:
It has the same basis in reality as "whisky export duty"Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone shed any light on this Bowling Green Massacre thing? Sounds awful.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened?CMP=share_btn_tw
One is slightly longer and slightly more broadly drawn, but I am struggling to see the difference in principle between the two.
Under the ban no one gets to enter, as it is a ban.0 -
More likely under such a scenario we rejoin the EEA, I can't see a second referendum being won on a platform of rejoining the EURoger said:
We're all dreaming that Corbyn and his clique of 450,000 will be cast into a bottomless pit and the 175 rebellious Labour MPs will join forces with the Scot Nats and the resergent Lib Dems and get David Milliband from across the water to come and lead a great revival of the centre left that will sweep May from office on a manifesto commitment of re-running the referendum with new voting restrictions on those over 75 with low IQs who live in East-Coast seaside towns (and Hartlepool).Ishmael_Z said:
"Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" is my preferred candidate for the most boring headline ever, but "Lib Dems having something of a renaissance in local by-elections" would definitely be a contender.AlastairMeeks said:Only fools or the dementedly partisan could deny that the Lib Dems are having something of a renaissance in local by-elections.
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Here's one for Roger. I'm sure he'll love it. It shows England at its very best.
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And @kle4TheScreamingEagles said:
Already happened.Blue_rog said:OMG, we'll have court cases disputing where dots and commas go next!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/theresa-may-faces-fresh-legal-challenge-brexit-david-davis-refuses/
At Casement's highly publicized trial for treason, the prosecution had trouble arguing its case. Casement's crimes had been carried out in Germany and the Treason Act 1351 seemed to apply only to activities carried out on English (or arguably British) soil.
A close reading of the Act allowed for a broader interpretation: the court decided that a comma should be read in the unpunctuated original Norman-French text, crucially altering the sense so that "in the realm or elsewhere" referred to where acts were done and not just to where the "King's enemies" may be.
Afterwards, Casement himself wrote that he was to be "hanged on a comma" leading to the well used epigram.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Casement
Many thanks and only on PB!
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So they entered before they were vetted?Alistair said:
Because under the 'pause' Iraqi refugees still entered America trough the entirety of the period, just the processing of applications slowed down as more detailed vetting was applied retroactively to claimants.Charles said:
Can you explain what the fundamental difference is between a "six month pause in processing refugees from Iraq" and a "nine month suspension of entry rights to people born in Iraq"Scott_P said:
It has the same basis in reality as "whisky export duty"Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone shed any light on this Bowling Green Massacre thing? Sounds awful.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/kellyanne-conway-refugees-bowling-green-massacre-never-happened?CMP=share_btn_tw
One is slightly longer and slightly more broadly drawn, but I am struggling to see the difference in principle between the two.
Under the ban no one gets to enter, as it is a ban.0 -
Hurrah for Madame Le Pen.
An excuse to move elsewhere
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I didn't repeat it I originated it! Its generally considered a unisex expression which refers to an overeagerness. I wouldn't think it was sex specific any more than 'poodle' which you also referenced in your 'misogyny' post.CarlottaVance said:
I wasn't the one who thought 'bitch in heat' was an appropriate metaphor for a leader of any party - if I recall correctly, you rejoiced in repeating it.Roger said:
A quick look at your post and you seem to be the one who has problems with female leaders. Or doesn't the 'sainted Angela' count as a female?CarlottaVance said:
I suppose 'poodle' is progress from 'bitch in heat' when the sainted Angela was supposedly wisely 'biding her time' - when in fact we now know, Trump simply wasn't returning her calls with requests to go 'as soon as'.....John_M said:
Good morning. Can I just thank you for adding May parenthetically. Without that, I would have never have guessed who you meant by 'Trump's poodle'. Possibly one of PB's finest moments of condescension - high praise, considering we have several black belts in the art here. Bravo.daodao said:I see that Trump's poodle (May) is going to Malta for a brief visit - I suspect she will be an unwelcome guest.
Europe needs leaders who are committed to progressing an open,liberal and tolerant agenda. From a European perspective, it would be excellent if Macron and Schulz win their respective GEs in France and Germany later this year.
What is it with (some on) the Left & female leaders?
Forty years after the Tories, now on their second, Labour or the Lib Dems have yet to elect one.......0 -
I'm feeling a bit Bremorseful this morning. Even Malta is booting the boot in. And I thought we were friends.0
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How is that likely to go down with the French ? Sounds a bit bonkers to us, but putting a Rosbif tax on us would appeal to a lot of people across the Channel I dare sayTheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah for Madame Le Pen.
An excuse to move elsewhere
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/8274373349751726080
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