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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Things about to kick off between USA and USE?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament

    Donald Trump Vs Jean Claude Juncker

    Pass the popcorn. :smiley:
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    If Tissue Price had been the candidate, the Tories would have polled 75% plus

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/827296566528659456

    That's a cracking result given the change in 3rd party. I'm astonished Corbyn isn't going down better in a Midlands market town. Astonished.
    Yeah but he's doing wonders in the marginals.
    Burton was a Labour marginal when I moved here (in 2007). The MP now has over 50% of the vote and a five figure majority.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    chestnut said:

    If Tissue Price had been the candidate, the Tories would have polled 75% plus

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/827296566528659456

    UKIP picking up the lefty Greeny vote...hmmm...can't beat local elections.
    The 'who controls the bins?' vote is highly indicative of GE voting patterns, at least that's what I regularly read on here.
    Lots of preparation for government underway :smiley:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    GIN1138 said:

    Things about to kick off between USA and USE?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament

    Donald Trump Vs Jean Claude Juncker

    Pass the popcorn. :smiley:

    Has anyone got any popcorn left??
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/hpy/status/827294392062976001

    Did the government say this was all they had done? I thought they still wanted to maintain the no running commentary line.
    The timestamp on the document showed it was finished at 4:30 AM on the morning of publication and contained several factual errors. If they have a more detailed analysis to draw from they're doing a good job of hiding it. Everything points to it being Fred Karno's Brexit.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    The Trump polling is all over the place. There must be large differences in the methodology.
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    Hurrah for Micky Fallon.

    Nato must begin to compete on the cyber-battlefield to counter Russian hacking aimed at undermining democracy in the US and western Europe, the British defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has said.

    In his most hard-hitting comments yet about Russia, he accused it of targeting the US, France, Germany, Holland, Bulgaria and Montenegro, which is due to become a full Nato member this year.

    Fallon blamed Russia for helping create the age of fake information. “Today we see a country that, in weaponising misinformation, has created what we might now see as the post-truth age. Part of that is the use of cyber-weaponry to disrupt critical infrastructure and disable democratic machinery,” he said.

    His anti-Russian rhetoric contrasts with that of the US president, Donald Trump, who, in a shift from his predecessor, Barack Obama, appears to be moving towards rapprochement with Moscow and has described Nato as obsolete.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/02/nato-must-do-more-to-counter-russias-cyber-weaponry-says-fallon
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/hpy/status/827294392062976001

    Did the government say this was all they had done? I thought they still wanted to maintain the no running commentary line.
    The timestamp on the document showed it was finished at 4:30 AM on the morning of publication and contained several factual errors. If they have a more detailed analysis to draw from they're doing a good job of hiding it. Everything points to it being Fred Karno's Brexit.
    I really don't think that is telling. Who doesn't spend up until the deadline working on proposals?
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    RobD said:

    twitter.com/hpy/status/827294392062976001

    Did the government say this was all they had done? I thought they still wanted to maintain the no running commentary line.
    The timestamp on the document showed it was finished at 4:30 AM on the morning of publication and contained several factual errors. If they have a more detailed analysis to draw from they're doing a good job of hiding it. Everything points to it being Fred Karno's Brexit.
    My favourite is when the other side left 'track changes' on the microsoft word files they sent to me.

    It made my life so much easier.
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    The government has been preparing for a negotiation, not a White Paper. Quite right too.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/hpy/status/827294392062976001

    Did the government say this was all they had done? I thought they still wanted to maintain the no running commentary line.
    The timestamp on the document showed it was finished at 4:30 AM on the morning of publication and contained several factual errors. If they have a more detailed analysis to draw from they're doing a good job of hiding it. Everything points to it being Fred Karno's Brexit.
    I really don't think that is telling. Who doesn't spend up until the deadline working on proposals?
    I would hate to see how close to the submission deadline the timestamps of the pdfs for some most of my academic papers in the past have been!
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    Y0kel said:

    Ukraine:

    There are rumours that the two breakaway regions under Moscow's puppet strings are going to call on Moscow for protection, directly or indirectly. Moscow wouldn't refuse surely.

    Curiously Nikki Haley, Trumps ambassador to the UN says there is no chance of the sanctions imposed on Russia after its takeover of the Crimea being lifted until the region goes back to the Ukraine. Either this is a clever ploy, whereby headline sanctions stay but other restrictions get lifted in the background (this is occurring already) or Haley is flying her own kite.

    Blackmail material notwithstanding, you have to wonder how long these {$COUNTRY} FIRST, STAND UP TO FOREIGNERS politicians can carry on getting along, what with all their countries being foreign to each other.

    Specifically, everybody always starts out promising to remake friends with Russia.
    If Trump were to use his leverage with Putin to get the Russians out of Eastern Ukraine I'd forgive him most of his sins.
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    MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?
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    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    The reaction of the woman in the background was priceless....supportive frantic nodding turns to frozen face in a split second.
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    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Things about to kick off between USA and USE?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/european-union-trump-ambassador-ted-malloch-parliament

    Donald Trump Vs Jean Claude Juncker

    Pass the popcorn. :smiley:

    Has anyone got any popcorn left??
    This could seriously damage the EU.

    Trump gets more bizarre by the day but to pick a direct fight with him shows how out of touch they are

    Sure the Baltics states will be delighted as will Putin
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    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy, he's never struck me as a family values Christian.
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    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy, he's never struck me as a family values Christian.
    Yup. Though God knows had TM (or another senior Tory) said the same we'd never have heard the end of it.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy phrasing, but I can't get particularly worked up about it.
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    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy, he's never struck me as a family values Christian.
    Yup. Though God knows had TM (or another senior Tory) said the same we'd never have heard the end of it.
    I still think Tim Farron is a disaster waiting to happen when it comes to that subject.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/19/tim-farron-gay-rights-accused-illiberal-approach-lib-dems
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited February 2017

    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy, he's never struck me as a family values Christian.
    Yup. Though God knows had TM (or another senior Tory) said the same we'd never have heard the end of it.
    I still think Tim Farron is a disaster waiting to happen when it comes to that subject.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/19/tim-farron-gay-rights-accused-illiberal-approach-lib-dems
    There could well have to be some serious use of trademarked Polly nose-pegs from some Guardianistas.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Pulpstar said:

    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    Clumsy phrasing, but I can't get particularly worked up about it.
    Yeah, given he was st an LGBT event I don't think those are actually his views!
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    Labour win Dinnington per @election_data's source
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Liberal Democrat GAIN Brinsworth & Catcliffe
    (Rotherham) from Labour.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited February 2017
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Lib Dem gain Brinsworth and Catcliffe
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    Lib Dem GAIN B & C (!)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    TSE- you never stood a chance :D
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Dinnington (Rotherham) from UKIP.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited February 2017
    Labour gain Dinnington from UKIP
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Lib Dem gain Dinnington from UKIP

    Has UKIP ever successfully defended a by election?!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited February 2017
    So that's two Lib Dem gain from Labour in Leaverstan tonight.

    Edit: Bugger, that's two Lib Dem gains in Leaverstan, one from Lab, one from UKIP
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940

    Lib Dem gain Brinsworth and Catcliffe

    I understand Nick Clegg has been helping.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    If the Lib Dems can break through in Rotherham, Labour could be looking in the wrong place for their big threat.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    MrsB said:

    haven't had time to go back any threads to see if it was commented on. What were pb's collective thoughts on Corbyn suggesting people "choose" to be gay earlier on today?

    The ultra hard Left can be quite homophobic, witness the 'dyke' accusations levelled at Angela Eagle and attacks on Ruth Davidson or even Peter Mandelson, they see homosexuality as a 'bourgeois' vice. However I don't think Corbyn is homophobic, it was just a slip of the tongue
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    slade said:

    Lib Dem gain Brinsworth and Catcliffe

    I understand Nick Clegg has been helping.
    He has, the seat is right next to Sheffield, as is Dinnington.

    I know the Lib Dems in Sheffield were quite optimistic about both seats.
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    If the Lib Dems can break through in Rotherham, Labour could be looking in the wrong place for their big threat.

    If (big if) the Lib Dems end up representing a load of Northern Leave-type seats, via pavement politics and a general plague-on-all -their-houses pitch, it will ultimately end in tears, just like it did in the South West.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Brinsworth & Catcliffe (Rotherham) result:
    LDEM: 66.0% (+50.4)
    LAB: 17.1% (-26.2)
    UKIP: 12.8% (-16.4)
    CON: 3.0% (-8.8)
    GRN: 1.0% (+1.0)
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Brinsworth

    LDem 2,000
    Lab 519
    UKIP 389
    Con 91
    Green 30
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    Brinsworth

    LDem 2,000
    Lab 519
    UKIP 389
    Con 91
    Green 30

    Bloody hell. Well done them.
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940

    Brinsworth

    LDem 2,000
    Lab 519
    UKIP 389
    Con 91
    Green 30

    Adam Carter, the Lib Dem victor, is a local doctor and a rugby referee.
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    Here's a thought.

    Could Labour remain switchers to the Lib Dem and not Lab Leave switchers cost Labour the seats of Stoke and Copeland.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited February 2017
    I'll say it again, only the very churlish and/or the very partisan would say that the Lib Dems aren't doing well in by elections since the referendum
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,369
    edited February 2017
    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Brinsworth & Catcliffe (Rotherham) result:
    LDEM: 66.0% (+50.4)
    LAB: 17.1% (-26.2)
    UKIP: 12.8% (-16.4)
    CON: 3.0% (-8.8)
    GRN: 1.0% (+1.0)

    Preparation for government intensifies....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
    Plenty of economists backed Leave, they opposed Brexit before the referendum and oppose it now, quelle surprise
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    I'll say it again, only the very churlish and/or the very partisan would say that the Lib Dems are doing well in by elections since the referendum

    Not say? Or are you admitting to churlishness?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited February 2017

    I'll say it again, only the very churlish and/or the very partisan would say that the Lib Dems are doing well in by elections since the referendum

    I think you better say it again!!
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    I'll say it again, only the very churlish and/or the very partisan would say that the Lib Dems are doing well in by elections since the referendum

    Not say? Or are you admitting to churlishness?
    Typo fixed now
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited February 2017

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not one LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dirty sleazy kippers on the slide. In Rotherham, a place now with an unsavoury reputation for inter ethnic relations.
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    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not on LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    What is your impression for Copeland
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not on LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    What is your impression for Copeland
    Will be close, certainly little enthusiasm for Corbyn will be a battle between Labour on the NHS and the Tories on Brexit and nuclear power
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    RobD said:

    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D

    David Herdson and myself keep on meaning to do a thread on that.

    The Labour Party: A hundred year aberration, now its time to get back to Tories v Liberals.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not on LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    What is your impression for Copeland
    Will be close, certainly little enthusiasm for Corbyn will be a battle between Labour on the NHS and the Tories on Brexit and nuclear power
    Thanks for that
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    RobD said:

    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D

    David Herdson and myself keep on meaning to do a thread on that.

    The Labour Party: A hundred year aberration, now its time to get back to Tories v Liberals.
    End of an error
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    RobD said:

    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D

    David Herdson and myself keep on meaning to do a thread on that.

    The Labour Party: A hundred year aberration, now its time to get back to Tories v Liberals.
    End of an error
    That's an awesome pun.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not on LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    What is your impression for Copeland
    Will be close, certainly little enthusiasm for Corbyn will be a battle between Labour on the NHS and the Tories on Brexit and nuclear power
    Thanks for that
    That is OK. Goodnight
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    RobD said:

    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D

    David Herdson and myself keep on meaning to do a thread on that.

    The Labour Party: A hundred year aberration, now its time to get back to Tories v Liberals.
    End of an error
    You do wonder just how many Kippers join the conservatives from now on
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    Actually on Sunday, I will be giving PBers a history lesson in one thread, whilst another thread begins with me updating the lyrics of a seminal 90s song.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not one LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    Are you phoning everybody, HYUFD, or just erstwhile Tories?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Can you imagine the first liberal majority.. there will be yellow/orange "winning here" diamonds everywhere! :o
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940
    Interesting factoid about Brinsworth and Catcliffe - it contains the site of the Orgreave Coke works ( now redeveloped).
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    RobD said:

    A return to the good old days of Tory vs Liberal? :D

    David Herdson and myself keep on meaning to do a thread on that.

    The Labour Party: A hundred year aberration, now its time to get back to Tories v Liberals.
    End of an error
    You do wonder just how many Kippers join the conservatives from now on
    I think about half the kipper vote has gone Tory, and a smaller fraction of the Tory gone LD.

    Why vote kipper when you have a Tory government planning hard Brexit?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
    Plenty of economists backed Leave, they opposed Brexit before the referendum and oppose it now, quelle surprise
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
    Plenty of economists backed Leave, they opposed Brexit before the referendum and oppose it now, quelle surprise
    Yes, because the economics are terrible. And as the analysis shows, the Govt still has its head in the sand when it comes to the details
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Dinnington

    Lab 670
    UKIP 303
    Con 238
    Ind Smith 232
    Ind Hart 180
    Ind Scott 81
    Green 78
    Lib Dem 75

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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Ha, #prayfordiane is trending on Twitter
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited February 2017
    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Actually on Sunday, I will be giving PBers a history lesson in one thread, whilst another thread begins with me updating the lyrics of a seminal 90s song.

    For the love of all that is holy I hope it's MMMBop. :D
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    justin124 said:

    Dinnington

    Lab 670
    UKIP 303
    Con 238
    Ind Smith 232
    Ind Hart 180
    Ind Scott 81
    Green 78
    Lib Dem 75

    Rather less sign of a LibDem surge there!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    PClipp said:

    HYUFD said:

    Well done to lib dems. Labour and UKIP in big trouble. Wonder if this result will have implications for Stoke and Copeland. Mind you I voted lib dems many times in locals as they were good on the council but never voted for them in a GE
    Phoned in Copeland again tonight and again not one LD, did get a Green though. LDs have always been good at council by elections and are doing well in parliamentary Remain areas, Sleaford showed that has not yet really translated to parliamentary Leave areas, beyond a minor recovery from there very low base
    Are you phoning everybody, HYUFD, or just erstwhile Tories?
    Everybody at the moment, presumably just confirmed/lean Tories though in the final week to get out the vote
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
    Plenty of economists backed Leave, they opposed Brexit before the referendum and oppose it now, quelle surprise
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That would be the JP Morgan led by Remain and Hillary backing Jamie Dimon I believe
    Somehow I think they have more expertise on the economics of Brexit than you
    Plenty of economists backed Leave, they opposed Brexit before the referendum and oppose it now, quelle surprise
    Yes, because the economics are terrible. And as the analysis shows, the Govt still has its head in the sand when it comes to the details
    The details presumably being to have as little change from the current position as possible, which is a political non starter
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Dinnington

    Lab 670
    UKIP 303
    Con 238
    Ind Smith 232
    Ind Hart 180
    Ind Scott 81
    Green 78
    Lib Dem 75

    Rather less sign of a LibDem surge there!
    Rotherham not quite going yellow yet then, night
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    RobD said:

    Actually on Sunday, I will be giving PBers a history lesson in one thread, whilst another thread begins with me updating the lyrics of a seminal 90s song.

    For the love of all that is holy I hope it's MMMBop. :D
    Nope. It is an indie song not a pop song.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Two poor results for UKIP which hardly auger well for Stoke on Trent!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited February 2017

    RobD said:

    Actually on Sunday, I will be giving PBers a history lesson in one thread, whilst another thread begins with me updating the lyrics of a seminal 90s song.

    For the love of all that is holy I hope it's MMMBop. :D
    Nope. It is an indie song not a pop song.
    Hmmm... now what 90s indie song has a word in the lyrics that rhymes with "AV"? ;)
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry

    The body language between her and Portillo is quite something.

    Liz Kendall was SPAD to HH, but seems to have a more forgiving nature.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    isam said:

    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry

    The body language between her and Portillo is quite something.

    Liz Kendall was SPAD to HH, but seems to have a more forgiving nature.
    Was Portillo mansplaining, or something equally as heinous?
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    isam said:

    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry

    Why not (not watching)?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry

    The body language between her and Portillo is quite something.

    Liz Kendall was SPAD to HH, but seems to have a more forgiving nature.
    Was Portillo mansplaining, or something equally as heinous?
    Np, just refighting eighties battles over Thatcher.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    slade said:

    Interesting factoid about Brinsworth and Catcliffe - it contains the site of the Orgreave Coke works ( now redeveloped).

    So Corbyn has even lost the flying picket vote? What's left?
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    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    Nuttall is a doctor as well ;-)
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    RobD said:

    Actually on Sunday, I will be giving PBers a history lesson in one thread, whilst another thread begins with me updating the lyrics of a seminal 90s song.

    For the love of all that is holy I hope it's MMMBop. :D
    Nope. It is an indie song not a pop song.
    That Hymnn to Trump, Wonderwall?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    Nuttall is a doctor as well ;-)
    His Excellency Professor Lord Nuttall BSC SSC.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    slade said:

    Interesting factoid about Brinsworth and Catcliffe - it contains the site of the Orgreave Coke works ( now redeveloped).

    So Corbyn has even lost the flying picket vote? What's left?
    Surely the point of flying pickets is that they are not local?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Harriet Harman won't be asked back on the this week sofa in a hurry

    Why not (not watching)?
    She was asked to name a stateswoman... Portillo suggested Thatcher and listed some of the things she achieved internationally

    Harman flinched and said while thatcher was swanning around the world,people were dying in her constituency because of her NHS cuts, then implicated Portillo was responsible too!

    Reminded me of this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Alf19unbtVs
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Swing of nearly 40% from Lab to LD in Rotherham.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited February 2017
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    Nuttall is a doctor as well ;-)
    His Excellency Professor Lord Nuttall BSC SSC.
    He won the World Cup when he Captained England. Don't knock him!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    So is Liam Fox
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    So is Liam Fox
    A slur on us Dr Foxes! Though of course the delightful Dr Wollaston does make up for him.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited February 2017
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    So is Liam Fox
    And Oliver Letwin.....just not the type that you hope is on board when you have a heart attack on a plane.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The LibDem victor was a local doctor - very likely a personal vote for him more than anything else.

    True in Stoke also.

    Doctors make excellent MP's. Worth noting that Gill Troughton in Copeland is one too.
    So is Liam Fox
    And Oliver Letwin.....just not the type that you hope is on board when you have a heart attack on a plane.
    The reason I go as "Mr" when I'm on a plane!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Another Trump story that's gone unnoticed:

    https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/827293483991982080
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    From UK Vote Forum:
    ‘There is also the potential impact of Labour fielding an Asian candidate in Brinsworth & Catcliffe: a 90% White ward which elected a BNP councillor in 2008 and a UKIPper as one of their three last year.’
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