If you had to choose anyone to stand next to to make yourself look good it would be Donald Trump. I've never seen her look more in command. Like Princess Di with Del Boy
Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind
No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
If the consequences of brexit were so foreseeable to you and so disastrous, then either you spent every spare hour you had in the weeks before the vote knocking on doors and manning phone lines to get the In vote out, or you are a complacent blowhard. Which?
Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
More akin to chopping a leg off.
No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.
Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?
It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
No, but on balance it seems profoundly negative. Over 40 years, a lot of good legislation was imposed on us by the EU, e.g. the drinking water directive, the data protection directive. Meanwhile, Whitehall (i.e., the executive, overseen very badly by a parliament elected by FPTP) variously sought to abolish jury trial (Blair), created a regressive local government taxation system out of the wreckage of the poll tax (Thatcher), etc.
We don't yet know the cost of setting up UK government offices to do the work done for us by the EU for the net payment of £8 bn per year or so. It includes, e.g. writing and policing anti-trust legislation against companies like Google, Amazon, etc. Not cheap. Lots more to do besides.
Plus my European Health Insurance Card will no longer work and I'll need to take out medical insurance when I travel on the continent. As I did 20-40 years ago befpore the EHIC.
Sorry but this is garbage yet again. If you don't have medical insurance when you travel in Europe then you are a fool. Moreover long before Blair tried to do anything to Jury trials it was being pursued by the EU as part of their Corpus Juris project to unify all EU law under one code.
Mr. Voter, you should have such insurance when travelling in the EU anyway.
The health card only means you're not meant to be discriminated against, but if a member state only has minimal or no free healthcare, that's what you get.
I know you pay in the majority of EU countries but you should get the same terms as someone from that country would get. At least, that's what friends told me - he's English, she's a German citizen and they're very widely-travelled.
Ms. Apocalypse, what are you making of May's performance?
I think so far May is handling this 'situation' really well. I like her speech yesterday: especially her words on Russia, NATO etc. If she continues on this path I think fears (that I certainly had) that she would cosy up to Trump will be eased.
Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind
No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
If the consequences of brexit were so foreseeable to you and so disastrous, then either you spent every spare hour you had in the weeks before the vote knocking on doors and manning phone lines to get the In vote out, or you are a complacent blowhard. Which?
I donated to the Remain cause, yes.
Ah, the "donation in lieu" card, the last refuge of the apathetic scoundrel. I hope you realise this is all your fault.
Mr. Voter, yes, that's my understanding too (not a traveller much but I did write about this sort of thing in the past). I would still advocate insurance anyway. In some countries you could end up with a hefty bill (for example, if you need an air ambulance).
Ms. Apocalypse, cheers. Not watching the conference myself (doing a spot of work) but it's useful to get the view of someone neither pro-May nor fanatically against.
I think we have gotten used to an era of very slick meet-and-greet politicians - Reagan, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, Blair, Cameron - all seemed very much at ease in these situations from the get go. Trump and May, still feeling their way.
May seems to have achieved what she set out to do on trade, NATO and torture.
Tomorrow's news cycle will be dominated by Trump dropping sanctions on Russia which will only make it visible to the world how little May's opinion counts.
Hypothetically, if Jeremy Corbyn were run over by a canary tomorrow, who would be the next Labour leader? Who would the erstwhile Corbyn supporters coalesce around?
May seems to have achieved what she set out to do on trade, NATO and torture.
Tomorrow's news cycle will be dominated by Trump dropping sanctions on Russia which will only make it visible to the world how little May's opinion counts.
I think Gorbachev could be right, certainly Trump might start something by accident i.e. through a trade war with China rapidly escalating into a real military conflict. On the other side of the coin Russia are desperate to end sanctions and so he might be just saying this to create mood music that enables any arms agreement to be sold to the Russian public. I think Russia are in an unsustainable position where they will either have to invade and pillage or cut defence spending.
I think we have gotten used to an era of very slick meet-and-greet politicians - Reagan, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, Blair, Cameron - all seemed very much at ease in these situations from the get go. Trump and May, still feeling their way.
Chasing through a kitchen is no longer the most demeaning thing a British PM has done to try and get a US president to like them...
that would be Cameron letting Obama bitchslap him in front of both nations
Certainly, Cameron was out of his mind when he invited Obama to lecture the UK on how to vote. I voted Remain but I do wonder if Obama intervening as he did probably swung it for Leave. Nobody likes a foreigner telling you what to do.
I think Gorbachev could be right, certainly Trump might start something by accident i.e. through a trade war with China rapidly escalating into a real military conflict. On the other side of the coin Russia are desperate to end sanctions and so he might be just saying this to create mood music that enables any arms agreement to be sold to the Russian public. I think Russia are in an unsustainable position where they will either have to invade and pillage or cut defence spending.
I had no idea he was still alive. As against that I met Norman Scott just before Christmas, which goes to show that people last longer than you think they do.
May seems to have achieved what she set out to do on trade, NATO and torture.
Tomorrow's news cycle will be dominated by Trump dropping sanctions on Russia which will only make it visible to the world how little May's opinion counts.
Are you terrified that TMay being a success might cement Brexit into place, even more? I'm guessing that's your motivation.
Yes, but I do genuinely think that she's being premature. She's aligned herself with the wing of the Republicans who want to rein Trump in and turn him into a 'normal' US President but I don't think they will succeed.
Chasing through a kitchen is no longer the most demeaning thing a British PM has done to try and get a US president to like them...
that would be Cameron letting Obama bitchslap him in front of both nations
Certainly, Cameron was out of his mind when he invited Obama to lecture the UK on how to vote. I voted Remain but I do wonder if Obama intervening as he did probably swung it for Leave. Nobody likes a foreigner telling you what to do.
I think it was the belief that the whole of the UK had the same worship complex for Obama that the establishment and media does, where this genius Nobel.prize winner coild do no wrong.
Trump did fine there. He was actually quite funny in places.
Intriguing.
Glad it wasn't just me who drew that conclusion. Trump could indeed be a transformative President - he is tearing up the old rule book of the US's place in the world and how it sees itself. My guess for the future is that he will secure some very big wins through to the medium term but hubris will, as hubris always does, will mean that he will overreach himself at some point and probably disastrously so. But on what?
Never seen anything like it in over 40 years observing politics. What's that Chinese curse?
May seems to have achieved what she set out to do on trade, NATO and torture.
Tomorrow's news cycle will be dominated by Trump dropping sanctions on Russia which will only make it visible to the world how little May's opinion counts.
I don't think he'll do it that fast. Why would he? He's protectionist; he'll quietly quite like the sanctions. Getting rid of them immediately would seem to confirm over-cosiness and the Russians would think him a walkover.
I think he'll want to co-operate militarily in Syria, get some results, change the complexion of things, then gradually reduce the sanctions.
Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom
I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind
No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
Insults confirm my comments
Fine don't take it personally. I think everyone of the 17 million is an idiot. You can't help it many of you were duped, misled and tricked.
Chris A,
Given your assertion of omniscience - knowing as you do, the minds of seventeen million Leave voters - perhaps you could turn your attention to the minds of the Remain voters, and enlighten us mere mortals on the number of Remain voters that paid attention to the Treasury, IMF, BofE, etc predictions that the UK would go into recession immediately after the 23 June vote, and how many of them were duped, mislead and tricked by these Remain lies?
I think the bar was low and she hopped over it well done her. Interesting Trump's comments about torture. He really is a mass of contradictions it's going to be a white knuckle ride that's for sure.
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
Trump did fine there. He was actually quite funny in places.
Intriguing.
Glad it wasn't just me who drew that conclusion. Trump could indeed be a transformative President - he is tearing up the old rule book of the US's place in the world and how it sees itself. My guess for the future is that he will secure some very big wins through to the medium term but hubris will, as hubris always does, will mean that he will overreach himself at some point and probably disastrously so. But on what?
Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.
Mr. Taxman, I agree on Obama. It was also interesting to compare the differing responses of the two sides (and neutrals) here after the 'back of the queue' comment.
I think the bar was low and she hopped over it well done her. Interesting Trump's comments about torture. He really is a mass of contradictions it's going to be a white knuckle ride that's for sure.
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
It is not the UK on tenterhooks it is the EU and many countries worldwide
May seems to have achieved what she set out to do on trade, NATO and torture.
Tomorrow's news cycle will be dominated by Trump dropping sanctions on Russia which will only make it visible to the world how little May's opinion counts.
I don't think he'll do it that fast. Why would he? He's protectionist; he'll quietly quite like the sanctions. Getting rid of them immediately would seem to confirm over-cosiness and the Russians would think him a walkover.
I don't think he'll do it completely yet, just the post-election ones that Obama signed. I think Putin will make some gesture in return.
The leader of the pro-Russian 'Lugansk People's Republic' in eastern Ukraine died suddenly in Moscow today due to a heart attack, which I'm sure was absolutely not suspicious in any way...
Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.
A killer point. If he has not resigned by this time tomorrow, impeachment is nailed on. Bet accordingly.
So has Richard Branson given any further comments on stock market movements, the predicted financial meltdown and recession or the mystery cancelled deal which cost 3,000 jobs ?
' He told Good Morning Britain: “This country is going to go into recession, two of the worst days ever, banks being pounded means they’re not going to lend money and we’re going to go into recession.
He added: “It is not fine, we’re heading towards a disaster and in business, if you realise you’ve made a bad decision, you change it.”
Sir Richard revealed that his businesses had lost a third of their value since the leave vote.
He also claims he was about to do a "very big" business deal which would have supplied 3,000 jobs that has now had to be cancelled.
He added: “When Brexiters told the public that people were exaggerating that there would be a financial meltdown, I think it’s been proven that we’re not exaggerating." '
I think the bar was low and she hopped over it well done her. Interesting Trump's comments about torture. He really is a mass of contradictions it's going to be a white knuckle ride that's for sure.
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
It's PB and Twitter that are on tenterhooks, two of the least representative fora in the UK. Most people will be completely oblivious, as usual. We are not normal.
Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.
I think the bar was low and she hopped over it well done her. Interesting Trump's comments about torture. He really is a mass of contradictions it's going to be a white knuckle ride that's for sure.
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
It's PB and Twitter that are on tenterhooks, two of the least representative fora in the UK. Most people will be completely oblivious, as usual.
I think the bar was low and she hopped over it well done her. Interesting Trump's comments about torture. He really is a mass of contradictions it's going to be a white knuckle ride that's for sure.
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
It's PB and Twitter that are on tenterhooks, two of the least representative fora in the UK. Most people will be completely oblivious, as usual.
Aren't we the opinion-formers, hough?
You might be Topping, dear old thing. I am a complete nobody.
Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.
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Chasing through a kitchen is no longer the most demeaning thing a British PM has done to try and get a US president to like them...
Mr. Glenn, super. Allez Macron!
Trump meeting Gordon Brown for example.
I think we have gotten used to an era of very slick meet-and-greet politicians - Reagan, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, Blair, Cameron - all seemed very much at ease in these situations from the get go. Trump and May, still feeling their way.
I thought the rescue of T May from having to opine about Mexico was very deft..
Suggestion is Fillon paid his children for legal work, prior to qualification as lawyers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mikhail-gorbachev-ussr-last-soviet-premier-russia-world-prepare-war-syria-donald-trump-middle-east-a7548646.html
I think Gorbachev could be right, certainly Trump might start something by accident i.e. through a trade war with China rapidly escalating into a real military conflict. On the other side of the coin Russia are desperate to end sanctions and so he might be just saying this to create mood music that enables any arms agreement to be sold to the Russian public. I think Russia are in an unsustainable position where they will either have to invade and pillage or cut defence spending.
chortle
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/britain-could-have-fastrack-back-eu-brexit-says-european-parliament/
May was sure footed. Trump less so.
Never seen anything like it in over 40 years observing politics. What's that Chinese curse?
I think he'll want to co-operate militarily in Syria, get some results, change the complexion of things, then gradually reduce the sanctions.
Given your assertion of omniscience - knowing as you do, the minds of seventeen million Leave voters - perhaps you could turn your attention to the minds of the Remain voters, and enlighten us mere mortals on the number of Remain voters that paid attention to the Treasury, IMF, BofE, etc predictions that the UK would go into recession immediately after the 23 June vote, and how many of them were duped, mislead and tricked by these Remain lies?
But what did Tezza achieve apart from nothing (in a positive sense)? She has met POTUS, they forged a relationship (v important, no doubt cf Yo Blair) but I don't see what else was achieved. The heavy lifting will be done by civil servants.
It's interesting that the UK is so on tenterhooks about life right now that a non-cataclysmic press conference by the PM with another head of state is hailed as a triumph.
The leader of the pro-Russian 'Lugansk People's Republic' in eastern Ukraine died suddenly in Moscow today due to a heart attack, which I'm sure was absolutely not suspicious in any way...
' He told Good Morning Britain: “This country is going to go into recession, two of the worst days ever, banks being pounded means they’re not going to lend money and we’re going to go into recession.
He added: “It is not fine, we’re heading towards a disaster and in business, if you realise you’ve made a bad decision, you change it.”
Sir Richard revealed that his businesses had lost a third of their value since the leave vote.
He also claims he was about to do a "very big" business deal which would have supplied 3,000 jobs that has now had to be cancelled.
He added: “When Brexiters told the public that people were exaggerating that there would be a financial meltdown, I think it’s been proven that we’re not exaggerating." '
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/were-heading-towards-a-disaster-richard-branson-calls-for-second-eu-referendum-a3282651.html
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/247757867032117248
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-4165000/Fillons-French-presidential-bid-hurt-probe-wifes-work.html
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