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  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Chris_A said:

    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.

    That's the best you've got - really?
    Did I miss any more lies then?
    Why do I suspect that you're one of those who, after Trump walked on water, would complain that he couldn't swim.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    OT: The US winning hearts and minds at the UN. "Zere names will be on ze list".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/americas/nikki-haley-united-nations.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.
  • Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    As will the security
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.

    That's the best you've got - really?
    Did I miss any more lies then?
    Why do I suspect that you're one of those who, after Trump walked on water, would complain that he couldn't swim.
    And I would supect that you're one of the ones who thinks he can walk on water.

    Lying matters. He does it daily. Either he doesn't know he's doing it, or he does it deliberately knowing that if he repeats it often enough some of his more asinine followers will start to believe the lies. This is not just a one-off slip, it's day after day after day.

    Whatever, it is it's worrying either way.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    John_M said:

    OT: The US winning hearts and minds at the UN. "Zere names will be on ze list".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/americas/nikki-haley-united-nations.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    She's not much of a diplomat.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Much as I have been assured that no one is on tenterhooks, we do seem a bit too eager to have a special relationship. Not quite the English way of doing things but these are strange times.
  • Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    nunu said:

    John_M said:

    OT: The US winning hearts and minds at the UN. "Zere names will be on ze list".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/americas/nikki-haley-united-nations.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    She's not much of a diplomat.
    After her predecessor's histrionic approach to diplomacy she has a low bar.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Was there any talk of a trade deal in the press conference? That surely is the aspect of this visit that would be most beneficial to the UK.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pong said:

    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?

    I don't know about that, but The Tories traded 100 down to 34 in Stoke today.. that is a crazy market
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Apparently 1 in 3 Californians wants to secede from the Union, many as a protest to Trump.

    If California is excluded from the popular vote last November, Trump would have won the nationwide popular vote by over a million.

    Clinton's majority in the state was almost 4.3 million. Her majority in NY state was almost 2.7 million.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.

    That's the best you've got - really?
    Did I miss any more lies then?
    Why do I suspect that you're one of those who, after Trump walked on water, would complain that he couldn't swim.
    If the story about the hotel and the hookers is true, it may not be 'water' he walks on... ;)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
  • isam said:

    Pong said:

    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?

    I don't know about that, but The Tories traded 100 down to 34 in Stoke today.. that is a crazy market
    As I don't bet why is that significant
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    Ooh yes that's right Laura is now the enemy of the people.

    Jeez I thought all we wanted was the right to eat straight bananas.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?

    I don't know about that, but The Tories traded 100 down to 34 in Stoke today.. that is a crazy market
    As I don't bet why is that significant
    Well its quite a big move on Betfair 100/1 to 33/1, although I guess its only saying they have gone form 1% chance of winning to 3%

    But Stoke is an amazing heat

    Labour have traded 1.55 and 2.46
    UKIP 1.74 and 4.9
    LD 6.4 and 85
    Cons 9.2 and 160

    The shrewdest man in the world could have laid to 148% and backed at 63%!!
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    John_M said:

    OT: The US winning hearts and minds at the UN. "Zere names will be on ze list".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/americas/nikki-haley-united-nations.html?src=twr&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    She's not much of a diplomat.
    After her predecessor's histrionic approach to diplomacy she has a low bar.
    and she's tripping over it.
  • isam said:

    Pong said:

    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?

    I don't know about that, but The Tories traded 100 down to 34 in Stoke today.. that is a crazy market
    As I don't bet why is that significant
    It isn't quite as impressive as it looks - it means that the Conservatives were given a 1% chance of winning Stoke Central and now they're given a 3% chance of winning.
  • There's a lot of disappointed posters on pb tonight. On broadband you can hear the gritted teeth.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
  • TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TOPPING said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    Ooh yes that's right Laura is now the enemy of the people.

    Jeez I thought all we wanted was the right to eat straight bananas.
    - or only those that bend to the right.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    Only tedious lefties...
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    How are UKIP 15/1 to win Copeland?

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.128848952

    I don't understand that one at all. Surely Copeland is a straight Lab/Con fight, given UKIP are heavily focused on winning Stoke - and the rural blue leavers are back in the tory fold.

    Am I missing something?

    I don't know about that, but The Tories traded 100 down to 34 in Stoke today.. that is a crazy market
    As I don't bet why is that significant
    Well its quite a big move on Betfair 100/1 to 33/1, although I guess its only saying they have gone form 1% chance of winning to 3%

    But Stoke is an amazing heat

    Labour have traded 1.55 and 2.46
    UKIP 1.74 and 4.9
    LD 6.4 and 85
    Cons 9.2 and 160

    The shrewdest man in the world could have laid to 148% and backed at 63%!!
    Thanks for that but it is only a small move in winning the seat but big in betting
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    TOPPING said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    Ooh yes that's right Laura is now the enemy of the people.

    Jeez I thought all we wanted was the right to eat straight bananas.
    Not an enemy of the people just a reporter hack after another award. It obviously riles you no end that people in both the USA and the UK gave you the 2 fingers. Suck it up.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    TOPPING said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    Ooh yes that's right Laura is now the enemy of the people.

    Jeez I thought all we wanted was the right to eat straight bananas.
    The EU fixed that issue years ago. We can also eat misshapen aubergines, deformed plums and asymmetrical apples. Hail Juncker!
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    Only as cringeworthy as you waxing lyrical about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' with the EU, which we voted to leave.
  • @ThreeQuidder

    Roger

    "Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy'

    Only tedious lefties...'


    Special Relationship only allowed when it's a Labour PM & Democrat president.

  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
  • johnzims said:

    @ThreeQuidder

    Roger

    "Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy'

    Only tedious lefties...'


    Special Relationship only allowed when it's a Labour PM & Democrat president.

    As a leftie, I liked the Cameron/Obama relationship (and found Gordon's desperation towards Obama excruciating to watch).
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    JohnO said:

    SeanT said:

    Trump did fine there. He was actually quite funny in places.

    Intriguing.

    Glad it wasn't just me who drew that conclusion. Trump could indeed be a transformative President - he is tearing up the old rule book of the US's place in the world and how it sees itself. My guess for the future is that he will secure some very big wins through to the medium term but hubris will, as hubris always does, will mean that he will overreach himself at some point and probably disastrously so. But on what?

    Never seen anything like it in over 40 years observing politics. What's that Chinese curse?
    May you live in interesting times?

    Trump is perhaps reminiscent of the spectre of President Goldwater in 1964. I remember my parents talking nervously about it, only two years after the Cuban missile crisis. This time the nightmare's come true.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    I have a theory: the happy man is the man who knows what he cannot control, and is OK with it.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Chris_A
    6:55PM

    Well picked up. Strange none of the press did.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    Of course it is cringeworthy, but it's traditional; see Private Eye cartoons of Wilson licking LBJ's arse and Blair fellating GWB. We have been banging on about it for so long that to cease to bang on about it would be a hostile diplomatic move in its own right. To say that we are the poor relations would of course be more accurate.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    scotslass said:

    Chris_A
    6:55PM

    Well picked up. Strange none of the press did.

    https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/825065055632912384
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147

    johnzims said:

    @ThreeQuidder

    Roger

    "Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy'

    Only tedious lefties...'


    Special Relationship only allowed when it's a Labour PM & Democrat president.

    As a leftie, I liked the Cameron/Obama relationship (and found Gordon's desperation towards Obama excruciating to watch).
    To be fair you're one of the most balanced 'lefties' on here :)
  • Scott_P said:
    Actually I think it was Trump who looked quite nervous and actually for once sounded more reasonable than his usual bombast. Maybe he is waking up to reality
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    12 months ago - who would have predicted either May or Trump?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    There's a lot of disappointed posters on pb tonight. On broadband you can hear the gritted teeth.

    Nah, you've probably got mice.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    I have a theory: the happy man is the man who knows what he cannot control, and is OK with it.

    Perhaps a loose variant of:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    felix said:

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
    Don't be so sensitive. She was right with her implication many people in Britain will be concerned about his announcements. Chill.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    rcs1000 said:

    I have a theory: the happy man is the man who knows what he cannot control, and is OK with it.

    In a sense I disagree. I think one should die happy, but humble, realizing what he has accomplished, but unhappy for the hard questions he has been trying to find answers to, and failed, so far.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    nunu said:

    felix said:

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
    Don't be so sensitive. She was right with her implication many people in Britain will be concerned about his announcements. Chill.
    The presser will be gone and forgotten in less than 24 hours. In the mean time, it's something to keep Twitter in its perpetual state of righteous indignation. Ce n'est rien.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147
    nunu said:

    felix said:

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
    Don't be so sensitive. She was right with her implication many people in Britain will be concerned about his announcements. Chill.
    It is not her place to speak for the British people - that's why we have elections - I know that many on the left are very frustrated about that at the moment but there you go. The world was better when the press reported the news instead of always trying to make it.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    He did say beautiful.......
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2017
    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I have a theory: the happy man is the man who knows what he cannot control, and is OK with it.

    Perhaps a loose variant of:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
    Well as long as Robert knew he shouldn't change the sentiment, but it was cool to change the words, he was ok!
  • Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    Private Eye's next cover?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/38767802
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    Tim_B said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    He did say beautiful.......
    I was going to suggest Barry Island.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K.

    She's very very good.


  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Roger said:
    Decades ago I saw a cartoon with Enoch Powell in that very posture saying racist-ly "and some of them are this big". I can't remember what that 'toon had him actually referring to.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:
    I wonder what Trump did to her just before they came into the picture. Well, his boasts about women.....................
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Chris_A said:

    Trump still can't stop himself from lying though. He wasn't at Turnberry on 22nd June. He only arrived in Scotland and the 23rd and visited there on the 24th.

    A killer point. If he has not resigned by this time tomorrow, impeachment is nailed on. Bet accordingly.
    It'll never, ever, beat this "mis-speaking": https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/?utm_term=.b0606948328f
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    edited January 2017
    Macron has to get to the final two first and at the moment all the polls have it Le Pen v Fillon in the run off. Given Macron's statement today following May's meeting with Trump that the UK was no a 'vassal state' of the U.S. post Brexit UK should certainly hope that Fillon or even Le Pen win the French Presidency when Brexit talks start, not the EU Federalist Macron
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN15B16C?client=ms-android-orange-gb
  • nunu said:

    felix said:

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
    Don't be so sensitive. She was right with her implication many people in Britain will be concerned about his announcements. Chill.
    I thought it was a fair enough question, and I'm not overly minded to care too much about the president of another country's views.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Hope May didn't crush his tiny hands.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder what Trump did to her just before they came into the picture. Well, his boasts about women.....................
    Mr Surbiton - this is our PM.

  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    nunu said:

    felix said:

    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    You obviously do but you're hardly typical. Is it me alone who resents the idea that the unelected hack Laura K suddenly purports to speak for the British people when asking her question. It certainly makes me cringe as yet again the Liberal establishment demonstrate why people like Trump win elections.
    why because a reporter asks a tough question?
    No because she referenced it as if she was speaking for British people. She doesn't speak for me. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote before jumping on your high horse.
    Don't be so sensitive. She was right with her implication many people in Britain will be concerned about his announcements. Chill.
    I thought it was a fair enough question, and I'm not overly minded to care too much about the president of another country's views.
    I think everyone's become overly sensitive.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    Hope May didn't crush his tiny hands.

    You have to ask, was it the chivalrous act of a gentleman helping a woman who has a cold and might be unsteady, or was it a strong woman helping a geriatric old man down the stairs...
  • Darren Bent is Jeremy Corbyn
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,898

    Scott_P said:
    Actually I think it was Trump who looked quite nervous and actually for once sounded more reasonable than his usual bombast. Maybe he is waking up to reality
    Is that Madame Tussauds?
  • John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Tip for editors: stop assuming leaders of foreign elites will appreciate it as a huge favour if they're allowed to meet the "queen" and get their photos taken with her in public.

    From an editorial in the Independent:

    "So far as a deal is concerned, Mr Trump wangled a public invitation for a state visit to the UK later this year, complete with the usual pomp, ceremony and photo opportunities with the Queen."

    He "wangled" it. What a favour he is receiving. He doesn't deserve it, but we know how the little darling likes it. How we smiled as we let him have it. Just don't ask us a second time, mind! And we'll consider letting you ride a horse in Windsor Great Park if you're a good boy!

    Who is laughing at whom? Who is patronising whom?
  • Hypothetically, if Jeremy Corbyn were run over by a canary tomorrow, who would be the next Labour leader? Who would the erstwhile Corbyn supporters coalesce around?

    The bungling burgon
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    Hypothetically, if Jeremy Corbyn were run over by a canary tomorrow, who would be the next Labour leader? Who would the erstwhile Corbyn supporters coalesce around?

    The bungling burgon
    Wouldn't get nominated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    surbiton said:

    What makes people so sure that Le Pen will be in the final two ? It could be Fillon vs Macron. Or, even, Macron vs Le Pen [ if she narrowly beats Fillon ]

    As all the polls now have Le Pen ahead on 25%+
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    We might be related!
  • Scott_P said:
    Actually I think it was Trump who looked quite nervous and actually for once sounded more reasonable than his usual bombast. Maybe he is waking up to reality
    Is that Madame Tussauds?
    Actually quite a few on the US chanels are commenting that he looked nervous and came over much better
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Le Pen is mightier than the ...
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Macron has to get to the final two first and at the moment all the polls have it Le Pen v Fillon in the run off. Given Macron's statement today following May's meeting with Trump that the UK was no a 'vassal state' of the U.S. post Brexit UK should certainly hope that Fillon or even Le Pen win the French Presidency when Brexit talks start, not the EU Federalist Macron
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN15B16C?client=ms-android-orange-gb

    Rushing to a foreign country that keeps military bases in Britain to praise its new head of government shortly after his inauguration isn't pathetic? Funny how no-one does it when there's a new prime minister in Britain. Vive la France!
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    The Bronze Age copper mine on the Great Orme is the most remarkable & astonishing thing I have visited in the UK over the last decade.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    Roger said:

    Well done Laura K. I think she asked a question the majority of the country want answered. As for meeting the Queen....the demos will be HUGE!!

    Does no one find talking about our 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' rather cringeworthy

    Yes. I've always found it so. Would still be if under other circumstances it was Cameron standing with Clinton. It's just a silly thing that gets trotted out.
  • Dromedary said:

    Tip for editors: stop assuming leaders of foreign elites will appreciate it as a huge favour if they're allowed to meet the "queen" and get their photos taken with her in public.

    From an editorial in the Independent:

    "So far as a deal is concerned, Mr Trump wangled a public invitation for a state visit to the UK later this year, complete with the usual pomp, ceremony and photo opportunities with the Queen."

    He "wangled" it. What a favour he is receiving. He doesn't deserve it, but we know how the little darling likes it. How we smiled as we let him have it. Just don't ask us a second time, mind! And we'll consider letting you ride a horse in Windsor Great Park if you're a good boy!

    Who is laughing at whom? Who is patronising whom?

    The Independent of course is so Trump and Brexit minded
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Darren Bent is Jeremy Corbyn

    Back from the dead!
  • John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
    Yes it is our secret
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
    I used to go to school in Penmaenmawr. I used to spend alternate Sundays on day release around the Great Orme. What happened to the Gogarth Hotel Big G?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Scott_P said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hope May didn't crush his tiny hands.

    You have to ask, was it the chivalrous act of a gentleman helping a woman who has a cold and might be unsteady, or was it a strong woman helping a geriatric old man down the stairs...
    Or a woman grabbing onto him in case he tries to grab somewhere else?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    You are so lucky. I will always remember climbing to the top of the Great Orme and looking west across the mouth of the Conwy at the walled town, shafts of light breaking through the clouds. I could have been in Middle Earth!
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Roger said:

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
    I used to go to school in Penmaenmawr. I used to spend alternate Sundays on day release around the Great Orme. What happened to the Gogarth Hotel Big G?
    Do you mean the hotel on top of the Orme?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:
    A woman always wants to know where Trump has his tiny hands....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    edited January 2017
    Dromedary said:

    HYUFD said:

    Macron has to get to the final two first and at the moment all the polls have it Le Pen v Fillon in the run off. Given Macron's statement today following May's meeting with Trump that the UK was no a 'vassal state' of the U.S. post Brexit UK should certainly hope that Fillon or even Le Pen win the French Presidency when Brexit talks start, not the EU Federalist Macron
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN15B16C?client=ms-android-orange-gb

    Rushing to a foreign country that keeps military bases in Britain to praise its new head of government shortly after his inauguration isn't pathetic? Funny how no-one does it when there's a new prime minister in Britain. Vive la France!
    The U.S. is the most powerful nation on earth and the largest single destination for UK exports, of course May accepted the invite of the POTUS. It is now abundantly clear that Macron is a Junker stooge, even worse than Hollande from a UK perspective and would be an even more anti British French President than Dr Gaulle. Vive La France indeed but hopefully Fillon or even Le Pen's France, we should certainly hope Macron loses this election before the Brexit talks begin
  • Dromedary said:

    Tip for editors: stop assuming leaders of foreign elites will appreciate it as a huge favour if they're allowed to meet the "queen" and get their photos taken with her in public.

    From an editorial in the Independent:

    "So far as a deal is concerned, Mr Trump wangled a public invitation for a state visit to the UK later this year, complete with the usual pomp, ceremony and photo opportunities with the Queen."

    He "wangled" it. What a favour he is receiving. He doesn't deserve it, but we know how the little darling likes it. How we smiled as we let him have it. Just don't ask us a second time, mind! And we'll consider letting you ride a horse in Windsor Great Park if you're a good boy!

    Who is laughing at whom? Who is patronising whom?

    It's pretty obvious Trump likely the pomp and circumstance of meeting the Queen. Great for his ego.

    Sure, other people might find it a drag. But it's a very cheap bargaining chip for May!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    A woman always wants to know where Trump has his tiny hands....

    Talking of which

    https://twitter.com/joabaldwin/status/825051188550787072
  • Chris_A said:

    Roger said:

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
    I used to go to school in Penmaenmawr. I used to spend alternate Sundays on day release around the Great Orme. What happened to the Gogarth Hotel Big G?
    Do you mean the hotel on top of the Orme?
    The Gogarth Abbey, the holiday home of Alice Liddell, the little girl who inspired Alice in Wonderland, was demolished and turned into luxury flats in 2004. Sad really
  • Scott_P said:
    Faisal Islam is Scott P
  • Chris_A said:

    Roger said:

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Chris_A said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    If we were confident we wouldn't need a special relationship. Then again we wouldn't need Brexit either.

    Speak for yourself. It is because we are confident we want to break free, have our own laws, contol our borders and strike trade deals with whoever we want, not some failing undemocratic bloc
    Goodness you must have suffered for the past 40 years. Poor you what a blessed relief for you now to see freedom in sight.
    I voted remain but welcome the opportunity to make our own laws - if it is good enough for the Scots it is good enough for us
    Excellent finally you can spread your wings and be all you can be.
    Think I have already done that in my 73 years having travelled round the world 10 times in the last 10 years, have a great family and four grandchildren, and am retired in a beautiful Welsh Victorian Seaside Town
    OMG. Not Llandudno?
    The beautiful Queen of resorts with so much to offer
    When I met Jenny, we seriously considered Llandudno, it's only three hours from London. There are worse commutes. We settled for staying in Monmouthshire because: Haberdashers, and it's a two hour journey. I'm very envious of you, it's a lovely area.
    It is quite fabulous.

    As we drive over the Little Orme and see the wonderful arc of the bay with it's Victorian Hotels and then the Great Orme standing high we are just so grateful that we have lived and worked here for over 52 years
    I used to live in St Asaph and often kicked about all along that coast. Underrated part of the country in my view.
    I used to go to school in Penmaenmawr. I used to spend alternate Sundays on day release around the Great Orme. What happened to the Gogarth Hotel Big G?
    Do you mean the hotel on top of the Orme?
    The Gogarth Abbey, the holiday home of Alice Liddell, the little girl who inspired Alice in Wonderland, was demolished and turned into luxury flats in 2004. Sad really
    Correction - was demolished in 2008 and is waiting planning for luxury flats but still sad
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:
    His lies are all so weird as often needless and he doesn't give himself the usual politician "out"...if he had said he predicted brexit and arrived as it came true...he gets the message out just the same while being able to debate the exactness of that.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited January 2017

    His lies are all so weird as often needless and he doesn't give himself the usual politician "out"...if he had said he predicted brexit and arrived as it came true...you could debate the exactness of that.

    Not lies !

    Alternative facts...
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