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What makes people so sure that Le Pen will be in the final two ? It could be Fillon vs Macron. Or, even, Macron vs Le Pen [ if she narrowly beats Fillon ]
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
Why would the EU agree to extend? They hold all the cards.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
If it had gone to a referendum and it had won it would have put this whole issue mostly to bed IMO.
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
No it can't. The two years can be extended if 28 parties unanimously agree. That is outside our control. We can't control how the other parties act once Article 50 is invoked.
Besides why would they agree? A number of people on other sides have said that if we're leaving the process should be completed before the 2019 European Parliament Elections. Not an unreasonable request.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
Just as it will be a democratically-elected UK government that will ratify Article 50 that Lisbon created.
What makes people so sure that Le Pen will be in the final two ? It could be Fillon vs Macron. Or, even, Macron vs Le Pen [ if she narrowly beats Fillon ]
The presidential voting system was designed so that there would be a run-off, in the second round De Gaulle would stand against a tame socialist and De Gaulle would win. It doesn't entirely work to design any more, not least because De Gaulle is dead.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
If *all* parties agree. The EU27 would need unanimity on that point. Every member has a veto.
What makes people so sure that Le Pen will be in the final two ? It could be Fillon vs Macron. Or, even, Macron vs Le Pen [ if she narrowly beats Fillon ]
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
No it can't. The two years can be extended if 28 parties unanimously agree. That is outside our control. We can't control how the other parties act once Article 50 is invoked.
Besides why would they agree? A number of people on other sides have said that if we're leaving the process should be completed before the 2019 European Parliament Elections. Not an unreasonable request.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
Just as it will be a democratically-elected UK government that will ratify Article 50 that Lisbon created.
Well of course. That's how democracy works. I mean people even, de temps en temps, vote in a Labour government.
Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
That video is devastating to any of the "advisory" or other excuses. Cameron said it strongly to warn the British people of the consequences of the vote - and we still voted Leave.
The "you've made a mistake, I'll override your decision" MPs are the ones making a terrible mistake.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
If it had gone to a referendum and it had won it would have put this whole issue mostly to bed IMO.
What makes people so sure that Le Pen will be in the final two ? It could be Fillon vs Macron. Or, even, Macron vs Le Pen [ if she narrowly beats Fillon ]
Le Pen has been in the first two in polling in just about every poll over the past 6 months and probably longer. Her support appears to be pretty solid at around 26 or 27%.
For her to be beaten by both the fading Fillon and Macron, it would mean that they both need to be 26% plus in the first round. Considering the vote share is going to be diluted by the socialist candidate (probably Hamon) Melenchon (polling 13-14%) possibly Bayrou (if he runs) and one or two others on the ballot paper, the top three taking over 78% of the vote appears to be an unlikely scenario.
So yes, it COULD be Fillon v Macron if Le Pen's vote collapses in the first round in comparison to what all the polls have forecast, but it is unlikely.
And yes, I agree with you that it could well be Macron v Le Pen. In fact that is the likeliest outcome in my opinion, given Fillon's current problems and the mud that is likely to stick even if he is cleared.
Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
That video is devastating to any of the "advisory" or other excuses. Cameron said it strongly to warn the British people of the consequences of the vote - and we still voted Leave.
The "you've made a mistake, I'll override your decision" MPs are the ones making a terrible mistake.
Yep - I think they are extremely misguided. English voters are likely to judge them harshly.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
Sorry. I don't agree. The two years can be extended if both parties agree.
If *all* parties agree. The EU27 would need unanimity on that point. Every member has a veto.
Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
I am.not buying they don't understand, rather the paperwork is wrong and they are been hard headed about it....same as if you used to fill your green slip in a similarly incorrect manner and walked up to the immigration booth.
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
We'll need a BASA or some other similar arrangement.
We would, but it's highly technical work. Then the body would have to be ratified internationally. I never conceived we would leave EASA.
In truth, I don't know if we are either. Euratom is a given (per the story).
Ultimately, May did the smart thing in her Lancaster House speech by shooting the Single Market fox (bear with me here!).
But she didn't (and couldn't) cover the future of the ECAA, EMA, EASA, Erasmus, ESA, ITER, CERN, ESO and all the other multilateral agreements we currently have under the umbrella of EU membership.
I want to add this. There's been a fair amount of sneering about 'low information' voters in the EUref - not necessarily on here, which is civilisation itself compared to Twitter etc. But it's clear that no one is an expert on the ramifications of the technical aspects of EU membership. We were all, to some extent, low information voters.
*edit* No mention of any other body apart from Euratom in:
I am.not buying they don't understand, rather the paperwork is wrong and they are been hard headed about it....same as if you used to fill your green slip in a similarly incorrect manner and walked up to the immigration booth.
This part I am not sure is legally watertight. Why "this" final deal vs. No deal ? Who decided that ? Is it written anywhere ?
Gordon Brown decided that when he ratified the Lisbon Treaty against the Conservatives wishes which authorised the creation of Article 50 and set that as the method by which we leave. Until then we would have to have left by negotiating our withdrawal and repealing the 1972 Act without any formal withdrawal mechanism.
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
While I don't dispute that Lab's actions caused, shall we say, some disgruntlement, it was nevertheless a democratically-elected UK government that ratified the Lisbon Treaty.
If it had gone to a referendum and it had won it would have put this whole issue mostly to bed IMO.
shouda, woulda, coulda...
"You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a BREXITEER. I coulda been somebody, instead of a REMOANER, which is what I am, let's face it!"
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
We'll need a BASA or some other similar arrangement.
We would, but it's highly technical work. Then the body would have to be ratified internationally. I never conceived we would leave EASA.
In truth, I don't know if we are either. Euratom is a given (per the story).
Ultimately, May did the smart thing in her Lancaster House speech by shooting the Single Market fox (bear with me here!).
But she didn't (and couldn't) cover the future of the ECAA, EMA, EASA, Erasmus, ESA, ITER, CERN, ESO and all the other multilateral agreements we currently have under the umbrella of EU membership.
I want to add this. There's been a fair amount of sneering about 'low information' voters in the EUref - not necessarily on here, which is civilisation itself compared to Twitter etc. But it's clear that no one is an expert on the ramifications of the technical aspects of EU membership. We were all, to some extent, low information voters.
*edit* No mention of any other body apart from Euratom in:
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
We'll need a BASA or some other similar arrangement.
We would, but it's highly technical work. Then the body would have to be ratified internationally. I never conceived we would leave EASA.
In truth, I don't know if we are either. Euratom is a given (per the story).
Ultimately, May did the smart thing in her Lancaster House speech by shooting the Single Market fox (bear with me here!).
But she didn't (and couldn't) cover the future of the ECAA, EMA, EASA, Erasmus, ESA, ITER, CERN, ESO and all the other multilateral agreements we currently have under the umbrella of EU membership.
I want to add this. There's been a fair amount of sneering about 'low information' voters in the EUref - not necessarily on here, which is civilisation itself compared to Twitter etc. But it's clear that no one is an expert on the ramifications of the technical aspects of EU membership. We were all, to some extent, low information voters.
*edit* No mention of any other body apart from Euratom in:
Non-EU members take part in EURATOM, ERASMUS, CERN, etc, etc.
Yes, I appreciate that, and have stated so before. However, they often have conditions - e.g. Erasmus (if I understand it correctly) requires some level of commitment to freedom of movement. When I can be arsed, I'll go and re-read that section .
I am.not buying they don't understand, rather the paperwork is wrong and they are been hard headed about it....same as if you used to fill your green slip in a similarly incorrect manner and walked up to the immigration booth.
I am.not buying they don't understand, rather the paperwork is wrong and they are been hard headed about it....same as if you used to fill your green slip in a similarly incorrect manner and walked up to the immigration booth.
Yes it's the Secret Service not the Keystone Cops, they don't do "flexibility" or "sense of humour". Someones presumably working on the paperwork right now to officially acknowledge there are other date formats.
It was a standard topic of conversation with the Yanks, all the time I was in the Civil Service. This business with the EU army, while entirely understandable from a European perspective, is not going down well among my former contacts.
On topic, M. Macron obviously needs to find a way of persuading those to the left of him to vote tactically for him in the first round. You'd think it was achievable, were it not for the fact the same problem is regularly not solved by other centre leftists.
OOPS!! Someone needs to tell Monsieur Fillon that when he is in a hole, he should stop digging!!
Thursday night on TF1 , Fillon sought to anticipate any future controversy. The presidential candidate thus acknowledged having paid two of his children lawyers of the time when he was senator of the Sarthe, between September 2005 and June 2007. Problem: his children were not yet graduates at that time ... Marie, 34, was sworn in on 14 November 2007, while Charles, enrolled in the New York Bar in 2010, joined that of Paris a year later.
I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
What has happened for you to say that ?
He's allowed himself to become separated from his support base on a subject of considerable importance to them.
Indeed. A major strategic error and the (likely) resignations from the left on the front bench could damage him. This is not another revolt of the moderates.
I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
Yep - it will be a very unLabour-like coup, involving the trade unions; with backing from former cheerleaders in the press. Then Nick Palmer will come on here and say it was always going to happen and that Jeremy was never the right person for the job ;-)
I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
Yep - it will be a very unLabour-like coup, involving the trade unions; with backing from former cheerleaders in the press. Then Nick Palmer will come on here and say it was always going to happen and that Jeremy was never the right person for the job ;-)
Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
Get with the programme.
And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.
Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.
Enough now.
You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
Get with the programme.
And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.
Some of my left wing friends in Labour are beginning to despair at the party's position and find the new members a bit of a handful and waiting for them to leave in protest at the next moment.
The end indeed could come for Corbyn this year. It might be too late for Labour.
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On topic, M. Macron obviously needs to find a way of persuading those to the left of him to vote tactically for him in the first round. You'd think it was achievable, were it not for the fact the same problem is regularly not solved by other centre leftists.
He should get some support from the left, supporters of Valls for instance (who is likely to be knocked iout in the Primary on sunday) Valls is more towards centre than Hamon and some of his supporters are likely to migrate to Macron. Also he could well be the recipient of those who would normally have voted for Fillon but have become disenchanted by his latest financial revelations.
I am.not buying they don't understand, rather the paperwork is wrong and they are been hard headed about it....same as if you used to fill your green slip in a similarly incorrect manner and walked up to the immigration booth.
American bureaucracy is marked by its rigid inflexibility. I like to say that it's because the two groups that mostly settled the original 13 states were British and German. America could have been run with German efficiency and British flexibility but got the exact opposite.
What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
I've no idea. I don't know how those things work. You and I would assume that it will all be ok and that we're dealing with sensible civilised people and nothing needs to change and no impediments will be placed in our way.
But there is no way we can be sure. Plus there we are negotiating to get back to where we were before and all for what? We'll be negotiating to place ourselves under some EU jurisdiction or other when the whole point of Brexit, surely, was to free ourselves from such jurisdiction. Right?
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When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
Some of my left wing friends in Labour are beginning to despair at the party's position and find the new members a bit of a handful and waiting for them to leave in protest at the next moment.
The end indeed could come for Corbyn this year. It might be too late for Labour.
It'll be a very long road back. A different leader provides some hope that Labour could help deny the Tories an overall majority in 2020. That would be a start. For as long as Corbyn and McDonnell are there the party will not even get a hearing.
I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.
Yep - it will be a very unLabour-like coup, involving the trade unions; with backing from former cheerleaders in the press. Then Nick Palmer will come on here and say it was always going to happen and that Jeremy was never the right person for the job ;-)
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Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.
A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.
And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.
That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.
I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.
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Isn't the current working assumption anyone who makes the final two and doesn't have the surname Le Pen will win...
Ironic isn't it? The betrayal of the nation and Labour's 2005 manifesto to have a referendum on the EU Constitution is what created this exit mechanism that has now left Labour rather impotent in the negotiations and forced to choose between the hardest of hard exits or Theresa May's exit.
Without Lisbon we'd have had no Article 50 and thus no automatic exit if Parliament doesn't like the final deal.
No 2 AV 68%
Yes 2 AV 32%
Ukip and Labour both odds against on Betfair
Besides why would they agree? A number of people on other sides have said that if we're leaving the process should be completed before the 2019 European Parliament Elections. Not an unreasonable request. Just as it will be a democratically-elected UK government that will ratify Article 50 that Lisbon created.
Though she might yet falter at the final hurdle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwcl_ZehPtE
Doesn't mean I have to like it.
That video is devastating to any of the "advisory" or other excuses. Cameron said it strongly to warn the British people of the consequences of the vote - and we still voted Leave.
The "you've made a mistake, I'll override your decision" MPs are the ones making a terrible mistake.
For her to be beaten by both the fading Fillon and Macron, it would mean that they both need to be 26% plus in the first round. Considering the vote share is going to be diluted by the socialist candidate (probably Hamon) Melenchon (polling 13-14%) possibly Bayrou (if he runs) and one or two others on the ballot paper, the top three taking over 78% of the vote appears to be an unlikely scenario.
So yes, it COULD be Fillon v Macron if Le Pen's vote collapses in the first round in comparison to what all the polls have forecast, but it is unlikely.
And yes, I agree with you that it could well be Macron v Le Pen. In fact that is the likeliest outcome in my opinion, given Fillon's current problems and the mud that is likely to stick even if he is cleared.
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/825017459530936320
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
...in kids pocket money
http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.
But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.
So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.
We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.
Get with the programme.
Ultimately, May did the smart thing in her Lancaster House speech by shooting the Single Market fox (bear with me here!).
But she didn't (and couldn't) cover the future of the ECAA, EMA, EASA, Erasmus, ESA, ITER, CERN, ESO and all the other multilateral agreements we currently have under the umbrella of EU membership.
I want to add this. There's been a fair amount of sneering about 'low information' voters in the EUref - not necessarily on here, which is civilisation itself compared to Twitter etc. But it's clear that no one is an expert on the ramifications of the technical aspects of EU membership. We were all, to some extent, low information voters.
*edit* No mention of any other body apart from Euratom in:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2016-2017/0132/en/17132en.pdf
This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
But we already knew that.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/825014413287682050
Perhaps wishful thinking.
Perhaps not.
Thursday night on TF1 , Fillon sought to anticipate any future controversy. The presidential candidate thus acknowledged having paid two of his children lawyers of the time when he was senator of the Sarthe, between September 2005 and June 2007. Problem: his children were not yet graduates at that time ... Marie, 34, was sworn in on 14 November 2007, while Charles, enrolled in the New York Bar in 2010, joined that of Paris a year later.
A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
Some of my left wing friends in Labour are beginning to despair at the party's position and find the new members a bit of a handful and waiting for them to leave in protest at the next moment.
The end indeed could come for Corbyn this year. It might be too late for Labour.
The French are crying out for change.
Is a Blairite centrist what they want?
But there is no way we can be sure. Plus there we are negotiating to get back to where we were before and all for what? We'll be negotiating to place ourselves under some EU jurisdiction or other when the whole point of Brexit, surely, was to free ourselves from such jurisdiction. Right?
When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
https://twitter.com/misselliemae/status/825030166753718273
A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.
And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.
That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.