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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    rcs1000 said:

    Macron looks very short to me.

    The French are crying out for change.

    Is a Blairite centrist what they want?

    Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.

    A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.

    And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.

    That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.
    Darn. I shorted at 3.6
  • Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919
    I think there are some domain resolution issues across the Internet. I can't get to Register.com, for example. (And pb is registered with Register.com)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,888
    edited January 2017
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    off topic

    A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244

    What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.

    It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.
    He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.
    His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.

    The tennis equivalent would be Fed (To Leonard) - Djokovic, Nadal and to some degree Murray all provided the competition needed for his legacy.
  • John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Trump and Pena Nieto had an hour long phone call yesterday after the cancellation of the Mexican visit next week.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919

    rcs1000 said:

    Macron looks very short to me.

    The French are crying out for change.

    Is a Blairite centrist what they want?

    Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.

    A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.

    And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.

    That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.
    Darn. I shorted at 3.6
    I bought loads between 19 and 23, and sold almost all between 8 and 11. I think he's too short here too. But I don't share HYUFD's utter certainty that he cannot be President. He's a lot more likely to make it than Marine Le Pen, in my view.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Maybe you're nor a member of Einternet any longer :wink:
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.


    The "www." version disappeared for me too.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.
    It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Macron looks very short to me.

    The French are crying out for change.

    Is a Blairite centrist what they want?

    Who knows? A third of the French want Le Pen. And 50% abhor her.

    A quarter of French want a Thatcherite, and about two thirds think that isn't what France needs.

    And a about one in five think that Macon has what it takes.

    That being said, I've met Emmanuel Macron and he's a very sharp cookie. Will he win? Probably not. But is it possible that those on the Left lend him their votes to avoid a Fillon - Le Pen run-off? Yes, it's possible.
    Darn. I shorted at 3.6
    I bought loads between 19 and 23, and sold almost all between 8 and 11. I think he's too short here too. But I don't share HYUFD's utter certainty that he cannot be President. He's a lot more likely to make it than Marine Le Pen, in my view.
    I'm scared he will go shorter. And not come up again.

    Do I reback at 3.2 for a small loss?

    Or am I just being all gaylord ponceyboots and should just hold fire.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.
    It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.

    You mean it's NOT because of Brexit?

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.
    It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.
    Is the server in Mexico and they won't pay for it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2017
    Putin not happy with Mrs May cosying up to the Donald?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.

    Enough now.

    You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.

    We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.

    But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.

    So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.

    We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.

    Get with the programme.
    And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.
    Which bit did I get wrong?
    The forced expletives and CAPS. I'll admit I glazed over soon after that.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
    song lyrics -

    Tangerine, she is all they claim
    With her eyes of night and lips as bright as flame
    Tangerine, when she dances by, senoritas stare and caballeros sigh
    And I've seen toasts to Tangerine
    Raised in every bar across the Argentine
    Yes, she has them all on the run, but her heart belongs to just one
    Her heart belongs to Tangerine
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    The site appears back up on www. etc

    Also, Mr. Royale, I'd hold on, if I were you.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Main site and all variants seem to have disappeared for me.

    Me too. Only Vanilla seems to work.
    It's an internet DNS resolution issue. Don't worry too much.
    Main site OK for me
  • John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
    Isn't it red?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919
    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.
    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,353

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Sure they didn't invite Teresa?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Sure they didn't invite Teresa?

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Sure they didn't invite Teresa?
    Ha!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
    Isn't it red?
    I saw another photo where it looked orange but it looks red below.
  • John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
    Red it is as in red white and blue Brexit
  • rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
    EFTA also covered by EMA.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2017
    May looking smart and confident at the White House.

    She is growing into being the PM.

    Useful to have had six months as PM already.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.

    What has happened for you to say that ?
    He's allowed himself to become separated from his support base on a subject of considerable importance to them.
    But will Lewis attempt to plunge the knife ?
    He was always separated from his support base. It's just that now the scales are starting to drop from their eyes.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    I don't think it's up to us - a la the Single Market.
    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.
    I'm feeling very sensitive ;). The reporting of our withdrawal from EUratom is being so blatantly misreported, it's wound me up a bit. There's no reason why we can't have bilateral arrangements across a range of areas where we have mutual interests, as you say. It depends how fractious the negotiations become, I would imagine.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited January 2017
    Tim_B said:

    rpjs said:

    www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.

    In north Georgia (on AT&T) I get the 'resolving host' message sometimes when on the www2 site but it works mostly.

    When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
    You left NYS before 1969 then?

    (All back to normal for me now)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
    EFTA also covered by EMA.
    Only countries in the EEA. Switzerland is excluded.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    May looking smart and confident at the White House.

    She is growing into being the PM.

    Has Trump threatened to "Lock Her Up" yet?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rpjs said:

    Tim_B said:

    rpjs said:

    www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.

    In north Georgia (on AT&T) I get the 'resolving host' message sometimes when on the www2 site but it works mostly.

    When I lived in New York state there was no internet...
    You left NYS before 1969 then?

    (All back to normal for me now)
    We had dial-up but that doesn't really count.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    PAW said:

    The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.

    Why do you think so many countries are already bidding to become the new host?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Networks now reporting that the 1 hour phone call with Mex prez happened this morning.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    williamglenn - I can't see why, and I can't see much in ITER either.
  • John_M said:

    I used to get quite nauseous before giving a big speech. I'm now getting the same feeling on PM May's behalf, and it's not 17:30 yet. Please God, let it be OK and not a cringefest.

    Just seen video showing Theresa May in front of the Churchill bust with Donald Trump in the oval office
    Just seen picture showing Theresa May bust with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
    Is her tangerine suit meant as an homage?
    Homage to the Republical party.

    Good psychology. May has read The Donald's book about doing deals.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    PAW said:

    The EMA in London employs 59 British, several thousand EU. Not sure it is a big loss of jobs.

    Why do you think so many countries are already bidding to become the new host?
    And most of the QPPVs employed by drug companies are resident in Britain. They will not be able to do so after Brexit. The MHRA has played a very influential part in the running of the EMA and it will lose a very respected and influential chair of the Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee too.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
    EFTA also covered by EMA.
    But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    John_M said:



    I'm feeling very sensitive ;). The reporting of our withdrawal from EUratom is being so blatantly misreported, it's wound me up a bit.

    Good. Join the club. There's still time to stop this lunacy and put common sense and economic well-being before dogma.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
  • When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.
  • Chris_A said:

    John_M said:



    I'm feeling very sensitive ;). The reporting of our withdrawal from EUratom is being so blatantly misreported, it's wound me up a bit.

    Good. Join the club. There's still time to stop this lunacy and put common sense and economic well-being before dogma.
    Yes lets get negotiating fast and drop the doom and gloom
  • Chris_A said:

    But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.

    That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.
  • When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.

    The idea is almost as bad as Corbyn but no one could be as bad as Corbyn
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    1969?
    1996 perhaps?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2017

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    Minor EU 27 players (a la Wallonia) will be holding other EU 27 players to ransom not the UK.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    When considering today's events at the White House, Conservatives are probably glad they got May not Leadsom in the end.

    The moment I realised that we could end up with PM Leadsom via the most freakish of circumstances was the closest I've come to thinking..."omg, what have we done!"
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Are the rumours true that May is bidding for the contract to build the wall?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2017

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    Minor EU 27 players (a la Wallonia) will be holding other EU 27 players to ransom not the UK.
    Sure, that's why I said collateral damage.

    Edit: But it's direct damage as well. There's not a snowflake's chance in hell of the European Medicines Agency remaining in the UK, even though it would make sense.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    off topic

    A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244

    What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.

    It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.
    He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.
    His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.

    The tennis equivalent would be Fed (To Leonard) - Djokovic, Nadal and to some degree Murray all provided the competition needed for his legacy.
    Yes but Canelo is his "control" opponent. Now one of the most feared at 147-160 (officially) and Floyd fought him in his prime.

    That stands for something.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,919

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
    EFTA also covered by EMA.
    That's not quite true. Switzerland is not a member of the EMA, but it does have bilateral treaties with it.
  • John McCain announces he will introduce legislation to maintain Russian sanctions if Trump reduces or cancels them
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    FF43 said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Report on my Facebook page that UK is pulling out of European Nuclear Research programmes. Is that true?

    Apparently yes
    EU lawyers informed the UK that A50 invocation would automatically trigger Euratom exit as well. It wasn't our idea.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-confirms-plans-to-exit-euratom/
    What about EASA? Planes can't fly if they aren't certified by that body. Nor can ATC control movements.
    This is getting worse than the Millennium bug!
    Nope. Triggering article 50 makes no difference at all. We do not leave anything until we leave the EU

    This is just more scaremongering bollocks.
    There will undoubtedly be a huge amount of negotiation to arrive back (for certain areas and sectors) at the position we currently already occupy.
    Of course there will. But the idea we will be locked out of anything we are currently members of and which does not require EU membership is garbage.
    Right now I'm more concerned that Mrs May decides that we don't want to be members of any EU-administered bodies. It seems bizarre that we'd want to leave EASA or the EMA, for example.
    We can't legally be in the EMA without being in the EEA.
    EFTA also covered by EMA.
    That's not quite true. Switzerland is not a member of the EMA, but it does have bilateral treaties with it.
    As it does with the USA, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Israel. Looser arrangements with China, India and Russia.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    I'm beginning to think that the end for Jeremy Corbyn might come very suddenly.

    What has happened for you to say that ?
    He's allowed himself to become separated from his support base on a subject of considerable importance to them.
    But will Lewis attempt to plunge the knife ?
    He was always separated from his support base. It's just that now the scales are starting to drop from their eyes.
    Labour doesn't do assassination, does it?
    Barnesian said:

    rpjs said:

    www2.politicalbetting.com 's DNS entry has gone away, at least for me on Verizon in downstate New York. politicalbetting.com (with no subdomain) is working still.

    Ditto
    Yes it disappeared from my screen too until fairly recently and other websites loaded OK.
  • Hard for Trump/May to talk about and agree much in a one hour meeting. Apart from vague aspirations agreed by officials in advance, it is just symbolic. But symbols can be important and it will help the atmosphere for future negotiations.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited January 2017
    In the previous thread some PBers are referring to Trump's approval ratings going up. They've improved relative from from campaign, but since he became President Elect, they have not improved. Indeed a new Quinnipiac poll released after his first week in office, shows him having an approval rating of 36%. That's even lower than several other polls prior to his inauguration which show him on a 40% approval rating on average.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
    More akin to chopping a leg off.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
    More akin to chopping a leg off.
    That's the spirit Jonathan! I feel we're making progress :D.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2017
    geoffw said:

    1969?
    1996 perhaps?

    There is a difference between the internet (which was definitely around in the 1970s) and the world wide web which came a lot later.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    off topic

    A thing of beauty. Could watch it 5x a day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244

    What a nightmare to box against. All those wasted punches. Totally knackering.

    It irritates me when people say he is boring to watch.
    He reminds me a bit of Sampras on the grass, so clearly superior to all other contempories that he never seriously was challenged.
    His legacy can't match that of say Sugar Ray Leonard as he simply didn't have the same quality and calibre of opponents as Haggler, Hearns, Duran.

    The tennis equivalent would be Fed (To Leonard) - Djokovic, Nadal and to some degree Murray all provided the competition needed for his legacy.
    I used to have to argue Federer's superiority over Nadal et al, and one thing I used point out was that Federer defeated Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001. This was before Sampras won his final grand slam and before they messed about with the balls and grass at Wimbledon. I don't think any of Nadal, Djokovic or Murray could have done that to Sampras at Wimbledon.
  • Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom

    I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John McCain announces he will introduce legislation to maintain Russian sanctions if Trump reduces or cancels them

    Putin removes McCain from his Christmas card list. He's really not keen on old Vlad.

    http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=C9F10A81-5E01-4937-9395-64533976169F
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The East Room is apparently packed to the gills with reporters - maybe the brits got in after all?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Chris_A said:

    But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.

    That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.
    It is a problem as it will require further primary legislation to put it right.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    presser begins now
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom

    I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind

    No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
  • Jonathan said:

    Are the rumours true that May is bidding for the contract to build the wall?

    Trump giving May the contract to edit his tweets.
  • Chris_A said:

    Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom

    I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind

    No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
    Insults confirm my comments
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Tim_B said:

    presser begins now

    If anyone wants me, I'll be under the bed.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    They're creepy and they're kooky, Mysterious and spooky, They're all together ooky, The Addams Family.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
    More akin to chopping a leg off.
    No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.

    Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?

    It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
    You have body integrity identity disorder.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    SeanT said:

    We keep sneering about British neediness re America..

    I'm watching Fox News USA and they've used the term "special relationship" maybe 50 times in the last 30 minutes.

    Sean - what are your views on Trump? - I vaguely remember you calling him a lunatic a few months ago - that still holds?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Has Trump put in new gold curtains?
  • Chris_A said:

    Chris_A said:

    But many aspects of British law concerning the licensing of medicines is now contingent on us being members of the EU.

    That's not a problem. The oddly-named Great Repeal Bill will ensure those aspects of British law don't get repealed on Brexit.
    It is a problem as it will require further primary legislation to put it right.
    Of all the Brexit problems to worry about, ones which are entirely in the control of the UK government really aren't significant. It's the issues which are not in our control which matter.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Shit he's coming here. Quick build a wall.
  • State Visit
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    SeanT said:



    Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?
    .

    We already had democracy, have gained nothing and lost things of significant benefit.
  • May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.

    The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.

    The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...

    She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.

    The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...

    Well, that's a definite future episode of the truly stunning Tv show 'The Crown' pretty much written without too much work.

    But, as we are only up to 1954, it will be in series 12.

    Will Alec Baldwin still be available?
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
    More akin to chopping a leg off.
    No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.

    Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?

    It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
    No, but on balance it seems profoundly negative. Over 40 years, a lot of good legislation was imposed on us by the EU, e.g. the drinking water directive, the data protection directive. Meanwhile, Whitehall (i.e., the executive, overseen very badly by a parliament elected by FPTP) variously sought to abolish jury trial (Blair), created a regressive local government taxation system out of the wreckage of the poll tax (Thatcher), etc.

    We don't yet know the cost of setting up UK government offices to do the work done for us by the EU for the net payment of £8 bn per year or so. It includes, e.g. writing and policing anti-trust legislation against companies like Google, Amazon, etc. Not cheap. Lots more to do besides.

    Plus my European Health Insurance Card will no longer work and I'll need to take out medical insurance when I travel on the continent. As I did 20-40 years ago befpore the EHIC.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Watching that Cameron video, I'm coming close to thinking Remoaners should go to fucking jail.

    Enough now.

    You jelly-spined, weak, naive, childlike TOSSER.

    We are leaving. Geddit? Leaving the EU.

    But as every fuckwit is quick to point out, there was no manifesto for leave. No, you're right, amazingly the OFFICIALLY-DESIGNATED LEAVE CAMPAIGN was, apparently, not empowered to dictate what flavour of leave we would get.

    So we are in limbo with all sides fighting for what they believe best for the UK. Apart, perhaps, from you, who seems so divorced from the realities of life in the UK that you only comment after your first sundowner in a country 5,000 miles away.

    We are working out what is best for us as a non-EU member. As plenty of people who know what they are talking about will point out, non-EU members including Norway, Liechtenstein and home of equally virulent Leaver Max, Switzerland, are all members of the single market. So plenty of options for us.

    Get with the programme.
    And you accused me of being the bargain bin SeanT. Brexit really has destroyed some posters' dignity.
    Which bit did I get wrong?
    The forced expletives and CAPS. I'll admit I glazed over soon after that.
    Right, thanks. So just out of interest, what point did you think you were making when you used CAPS?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.

    The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...

    She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.
    They have similar taste in interior design. Who knows Philip and Donald might get hit it off.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Yeah, but the EU wants our money, and it'd be cheaper for both of us to cut a deal.

    Yes, but membership of, and the physical location of, those types of institution are exactly the kinds of issue over which minor EU27 players will see that they have veto power which can be put to good pork-barrelling use. We, and the EU as a whole, could easily suffer considerable collateral damage.
    There will be damage. Again, consider it akin to childbirth. Anticipate drooping, stretchmarks, piles, pain and enervating tedium. But, a child.
    More akin to chopping a leg off.
    No, if you chop a leg off, you get nothing back. You've lost a leg. is all.

    Do you seriously believe there are NO upsides to taking back all our laws, government, rules, and democracy? To making our MPs responsible for EVERYTHING they do to us?

    It's ridic to say this is all negative - "an amputation".
    No, but on balance it seems profoundly negative. Over 40 years, a lot of good legislation was imposed on us by the EU, e.g. the drinking water directive, the data protection directive. Meanwhile, Whitehall (i.e., the executive, overseen very badly by a parliament elected by FPTP) variously sought to abolish jury trial (Blair), created a regressive local government taxation system out of the wreckage of the poll tax (Thatcher), etc.

    We don't yet know the cost of setting up UK government offices to do the work done for us by the EU for the net payment of £8 bn per year or so. It includes, e.g. writing and policing anti-trust legislation against companies like Google, Amazon, etc. Not cheap. Lots more to do besides.

    Plus my European Health Insurance Card will no longer work and I'll need to take out medical insurance when I travel on the continent. As I did 20-40 years ago befpore the EHIC.
    It's a little late to be worrying about all this stuff.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Mr. Voter, you should have such insurance when travelling in the EU anyway.

    The health card only means you're not meant to be discriminated against, but if a member state only has minimal or no free healthcare, that's what you get.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Ouch for Laura K!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    (((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 1m1 minute ago
    More
    Theresa May sets out in detail nature of special relationship. Trump says "my mum's from Scotland.".


    F**** immigrants, flooding into the US.
  • Jonathan said:

    May says Trump has accepted invitation from the Queen to come to UK for a state visit later this year.

    The things Her Majesty has to do for her country...

    She's spent time with Robert Mugabe and President Assad on the nation's behalf, I'm sure she can cope with The Donald.
    They have similar taste in interior design. Who knows Philip and Donald might get hit it off.
    I'm sure Philip and Melania will.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Jonathan said:

    Has Trump put in new gold curtains?

    Yes. Although he got staff to do it. Probably Mexican immigrants on contract.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Chris_A said:

    Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom

    I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind

    No just pointing out the entirely foreseeable consequence to the idiots.
    If the consequences of brexit were so foreseeable to you and so disastrous, then either you spent every spare hour you had in the weeks before the vote knocking on doors and manning phone lines to get the In vote out, or you are a complacent blowhard. Which?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209

    Those who want to remain on this forum seem to be getting more desperate and extreme in their comments and doom and gloom

    I think there may be a place for a remain grief counsellor to help their peace of mind

    Conversely G it is your goodself that is getting more euphoric.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    This is soooo tense.
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