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Tomorrow's Sun front page is a straight lift of its paper on the day of the 1992 General Election pic.twitter.com/jpKmFRH3ty
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The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.
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FPT: Is there some sort of dress/haircut code whereby 'leading' EU whingebags need to look like extras from The Lives of Others?0
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The original headline worked, this one doesn't.
The sun reliving its glory days is just a bit tragic.0 -
Humiliating for Kinnock to be compared to "open house party" Merkel.0
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Just the way to win allies and influence. Murdoch must feel he can profit from a trade war.0
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Seems to me the key issue here is Barnier's insistence that the UK agree the divorce 'payment' before any discussions start on future trade relationships. Not only is this contrary to what is stated in article 50, it is also a pretty clear attempt to torpedo any sensible discussions at all. I cannot see how the EU can enforce any claims against the UK arising from Brexit - by definition they only arise at the point of departure at which time we are not subject to the ECJ so the UK Parliament can simply pass a law as part of the Grand Repeal Act that no amounts are payable.
Therefore, the UK is really being asked to make concessions on departure payments in return for nothing other than the right to start talks on trade. This is a ridiculous position and the Commission know it.
My view is that the Commission have no intention whatsoever of doing a deal with the UK. The Council are meant to instruct them, yet Barnier has come up with this 'policy' without any direction from the Council. When Tusk refers to EU unity, as usual it means that the Council is unified in doing what the Commission tell them to do.
In any event, I do not see how negotiations will even start - expect a huge blow up on this issue in March. The UK will ask for the negotiations to be done in parallel, the EU (Commission) will refuse. What would be the point of May having discussions on payments to the EU when she is not allowed to discuss trade in return?0 -
It's also bad positioning for them because having 'Kinnocked' Merkel, they'll look stupid when she's still there calling the shots in a year's time and we're still holding out for a better offer.Pong said:B-
The original headline worked, this one doesn't.
The sun reliving its glory days is just a bit tragic.0 -
Keep hoping Williamwilliamglenn said:The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/821820713438998528
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I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.0 -
Are you trying to convince yourself? Cos its not working.williamglenn said:The most interesting thing in Davis' comments here is the hint that the final outcome he wants is not much different to the status quo. The hard Brexit positioning really is a bluff.
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If May wants to start the negotiations from a position of being fully out and then working up from there, she first needs to agree the terms on which she gets to her starting position, otherwise there is no basis for discussions.archer101au said:What would be the point of May having discussions on payments to the EU when she is not allowed to discuss trade in return?
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William,
I'm starting to wonder which event/headline could possibly make you believe that we might not stay in the EU and departure will actually happen.0 -
Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.0
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Trading on its past. Symbolic of the newspaper industry as a whole.0
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" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."Theuniondivvie said:Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.
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I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.0
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Perhaps 'You didn't vote for Brexit but those that did have put the UK's head in the noose'?TGOHF said:
" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."Theuniondivvie said:Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.
https://twitter.com/Mr_Mark_Brown/status/1717373253767741440 -
I don't know, The Guardian seems to be getting lots of new readers post Brexit.... or at least twitter followers!AlastairMeeks said:Trading on its past. Symbolic of the newspaper industry as a whole.
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The original suggestion of ten 'bags of sand' would have made PB unmissable for the next two years.Mortimer said:
Maybe WILLIAMGLENN PAYS SEANT A BAG OF SAND will do it?chestnut said:William,
I'm starting to wonder which event/headline could possibly make you believe that we might not stay in the EU and departure will actually happen.0 -
Where's Sunil when you need him?tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
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"Brexit in Channel - EU cut off"0
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Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.0
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Probably writing a treatise on post-war British locomotive manufacturing. Night night all. Don't let the Brexit bugs bite.brokenwheel said:
Where's Sunil when you need him?tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
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Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.
Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.0 -
Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.0
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Us Socialists are watching how the NHS is being fecked over on BBC2...FrancisUrquhart said:Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.
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Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?Sandpit said:
Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.
Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.0 -
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
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Casino_Royale - how are you finding the Jag?0
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Is it not spelt The Jaaaaaaaaggggggggggggg?PAW said:Casino_Royale - how are you finding the Jag?
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This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.0 -
There was an article in the Times today saying that the winter healthcare crisis was severe in Germany, France, Italy and Sweden too.SandyRentool said:
Us Socialists are watching how the NHS is being fecked over on BBC2...FrancisUrquhart said:Great documentary on BBC4 at the moment about marshall amps.
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In my experience Germans are even more obsessed by the war (though not out loud) - everything is examined from the perspective of *not* being like you-know-what, though it's done silently.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
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Three posts at the end of this thread, on the subject of why the UK voted to leave.RepublicanTory said:
Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?Sandpit said:
Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.
Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/18/my-661-long-shot-bet-for-the-2020-white-house-race-demcratic-senator-kamala-harris-from-california/0 -
The chairman of UKIP North Cumbria Branch , John Stanyer , has resigned and announced he is joining the Conservatives . He says that the national leadership has treated the West Cumbria branch appallingly with regard to the Copeland by election .0
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Ah yes. One of those irregular verb things :tlg86 said:Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.
My newspaper is the Guardian of democracy.
Your newspaper is a tacky tabloid
His newspaper is an affront to democracy.
I have never read the Sun.0 -
Significant parts of Europe have good reason to be ashamed of their actions in WW2. That might be why they would rather forget about it.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
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ExcellentSandpit said:
Three posts at the end of this thread, on the subject of why the UK voted to leave.RepublicanTory said:
Anyone have a link to this as i missed it?Sandpit said:
Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.
Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/18/my-661-long-shot-bet-for-the-2020-white-house-race-demcratic-senator-kamala-harris-from-california/
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All newspapers show the same trajectory in print sales AFAIK.tlg86 said:Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.
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I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?0 -
Yup - and if you want ugly, consider this. The Daily Mail is the profitable outfit, overall.CornishBlue said:
All newspapers show the same trajectory in print sales AFAIK.tlg86 said:Loving the circulation chart. On nights like this The Sun is a busted flush. When the Tories win a majority or Leave wins the referendum, The Sun is an affront to Democracy.
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You laughed out loud? You actually found that funny?Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.0 -
Tougher rules on residency proposed for England. https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/821843179582394370
Rugby Union.0 -
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I agree that the original EU concept was born out of a laudable desire to prevent the continent ever going to war again but nobody else bangs on about like we do. You cannot go a day in this country without someone referencing it as though it just happened a couple of years ago.Black_Rook said:
This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.
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There may be some merit in this argument. I had a nice WW2-free day today. Until you brought up the subject :-)OllyT said:
I agree that the original EU concept was born out of a laudable desire to prevent the continent ever going to war again but nobody else bangs on about like we do. You cannot go a day in this country without someone referencing it as though it just happened a couple of years ago.Black_Rook said:
This would be somewhat ironic considering that the entire European Union concept is rooted in war trauma, and the German open door policy toward migrants that did so much to undermine it was rooted in war guilt.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Although I would concede that a reappraisal of Britain's role in that war is long overdue. We didn't win World War 2. We lost.0 -
Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596
Paul Nuttall watch out.0 -
The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.chestnut said:
I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?0 -
Banks is quite supportive of Nuttall running in Stoke I thinkPong said:Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596
Nuttall watch out.0 -
We won, Olly. The Greeks, the Dutch, the Poles etc suffered enormously.OllyT said:
The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.chestnut said:
I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?
Their underlying resentment and hostility, in my personal experience, is far greater than ours .0 -
On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.0
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It was a 5 word off-the-cuff response from Johnson, and made his point very neatly. The banging on has been the tens of thousands of words of bien-pensant pretendy outrage which you and others are now channeling for the rest of us. And our national performance in WW2 was, at least, nothing to be ashamed of, and not really analogous on any level to scoring a winning goal. As I am sure you know from the historical education you claim to have received.OllyT said:
The Greeks were attacking Germany over a particular issue, they haven't banged on about daily for the last 75 years like the UK.chestnut said:
I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?0 -
Wasn't the point about reparations that Greece had waived a sum greater (adjusted for inflation) than they are currently in the hole for?chestnut said:
I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?0 -
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The lightbulb one was crap.steve_garner said:On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.
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The Scottish Sun backed the SNP, the English and Welsh Sun backed the Tories and BrexitTheuniondivvie said:
Perhaps 'You didn't vote for Brexit but those that did have put the UK's head in the noose'?TGOHF said:
" Boris comments make Sindy Ref 2 'more likely' drones oor Nicla.."Theuniondivvie said:Let me me make a wild prediction, readers in Scotland will have their own (entirely different) Sun front page.
https://twitter.com/Mr_Mark_Brown/status/1717373253767741440 -
Got that authentic, niche, hard right right aesthetic down to a tee.Pong said:Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596
Paul Nuttall watch out.
http://www.westmonster.com/0 -
Though the Golden Dawn were quite openly pro-Nazi, it was the left who were anti-German.DecrepitJohnL said:
Wasn't the point about reparations that Greece had waived a sum greater (adjusted for inflation) than they are currently in the hole for?chestnut said:
I remember thinking that when Grexit was on the cards and pictures of Merkel with a Charlie Chaplin moustache were all over the place, as well as claims for WW2 reparations.OllyT said:
I think most of Europe considers our continued obsession with WW2 rather pathetic. Most countries have moved on but we keep banging on like some sad old fart who once scored a brilliant goal 75 years ago and has never shut up about it since.tlg86 said:I think I'd have gone up for a Dad's Army style "Who do you think you are kidding Mrs Merkel" with arrows with the EU stars going across Europe.
Why do you think they really don't want an EU Army when the Germans would be the major force within it?
For those who haven't seen it on Netfix "Look Who's Back" is worth catching. It is a bit odd at first, but then gets into its stride. No spoilers for the ending, but this scene where Hitler discovers the internet explains a lot:
https://youtu.be/nIJpOw78HMM
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It was The Sunil wot won it!
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The Sun's demise shows they should never have bowed to pressure and ignored the WWC by ditching page 3.
On another topic: Diary of a snowflake: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/18/teenage-diary-latino-donald-trump-california0 -
Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.0
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TechnicallyRon:
"I'd like to cancel my netflix subscription"
"ok"
"But I still want to watch everything"
"But"
"It's called global netflix"
"but"
"Brexflix"0 -
The queue is Albania, Montenegro and some other places that are smaller than the average Hackney council estate.paulbarker said:Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.
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Erm, and what sort of countries are queuing to join? Wealthy, liberal, stable democracies? Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine...paulbarker said:Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.
And which countries in Europe have not joined, or are now leaving? Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Great Britain...
Reality Strikes Again.0 -
I have a feeling that they got a phone call from the Foreign Office along the lines of "really, this is probably not the best time for this... once we've left with the deal in the bag, then let rip on Johny".Pong said:
The lightbulb one was crap.steve_garner said:On Sky News tomorrow's Sun front page does not look like OGH's version.
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On topic, I wish newspapers would take bets on the thing they say will happen happening.0
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Well, there was all the time our government was telling them to join and that we were happy to pay...paulbarker said:Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.
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Netflix love the EU....and their totally unnecessary inferring.Scott_P said:TechnicallyRon:
"I'd like to cancel my netflix subscription"
"ok"
"But I still want to watch everything"
"But"
"It's called global netflix"
"but"
"Brexflix"
Netflix and Amazon must guarantee 20% of content is European
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/25/netflix-and-amazon-must-guarantee-20-of-content-is-european0 -
Many thanks.Sandpit said:
Absolutely, let the media run with the hyperbole and the serious negotiation be done in the background.Casino_Royale said:I laughed out loud... Very good.
It will be entertaining watching the tabloid press battle over the next 2 years, that's for sure.
It might actually help the negotiations, funnily enough, by providing a space through which both sides can vent and sensationalise, whilst the real work is done behind the scenes.
Well done for your essay earlier by the way, you should really have submitted it to OGH as a header.0 -
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That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)0
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And with a combined GDP of Rutland. If that.chestnut said:
The queue is Albania, Montenegro and some other places that are smaller than the average Hackney council estate.paulbarker said:Of course in the real world their is a queue to join The EU & a bunch of other Countries trying to join the queue. So far, just one Country is leaving, maybe.
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FPT @Casino_Royale
There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?Casino_Royale said:I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.
[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.0 -
Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.
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I wanted to indulge myself this once. I love how it looks, feels and drives. I was bored (and annoyed) with VW. Plus, you can customise it exactly how you like it: it has latte leather seats, mood lighting, sports spec, and a high-tech info system. I've gone for the petrol turbo, not the diesel.viewcode said:FPT @Casino_Royale
There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?Casino_Royale said:I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.
[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.
I also have Union Jack wheel badges, and door trim steps. Natch.
It shouldn't depreciate too badly actually and will still be worth 50% of its brand new price in 4 years.0 -
Looks utterly crap. Hardly any content. Crap name. What a disaster.Theuniondivvie said:
Got that authentic, niche, hard right right aesthetic down to a tee.Pong said:Aaron Banks launches his own fake news website;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38650596
Paul Nuttall watch out.
http://www.westmonster.com/0 -
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/MTimT said:That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)
According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)
The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.
The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.0 -
The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
Coming to an authority near you apparently0 -
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This is clearly some new meaning of the word "depreciate" that I wasn't previously aware of.Casino_Royale said:
I wanted to indulge myself this once. I love how it looks, feels and drives. I was bored (and annoyed) with VW. Plus, you can customise it exactly how you like it: it has latte leather seats, mood lighting, sports spec, and a high-tech info system. I've gone for the petrol turbo, not the diesel.viewcode said:FPT @Casino_Royale
There's nothing on telly but brexit shit[1]. Go on, cheer me up. Why a brand-new XE? Jags are lovely but depreciate like a lead shed: did you consider buying a nearly-new instead?Casino_Royale said:I just bought a brand new Jaguar XE. In British Racing Green. I'm not joking.
[1] "something something Britain/ish something" programs: Ray Mears' Wild Britain, Penelope Keith's Great British Villages, Britain's Greatest Bridges ("Tonight: Menai Bridge!") Great British Bake Off, Great Britain's Greatest Benefit Cheats Great, Great Britain's British Great Britain Greatness, Botched-up Bodies ("They went abroad for surgery! FOOLS!") and Michael Portillo's Fucking Midlife Crisis on a Train.
I also have Union Jack wheel badges, and door trim steps. Natch.
It shouldn't depreciate too badly actually and will still be worth 50% of its brand new price in 4 years.0 -
Who runs your local authority?Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
Coming to an authority near you apparently0 -
Except that at every opportunity the Mail gets they attack any whiff of council tax increase, adding to the household council tax bands, mansion taxes, using parking fines to help local councils, increasing tax subsides to local councils from central government etc etc.Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
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I'll sell them my Y-fronts.Big_G_NorthWales said:Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.
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Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
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Time you enjoyed wasting...was not wasted.Casino_Royale said:...I wanted to indulge myself this once...
This guy on YouTube is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHyx4jftHw
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Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.Black_Rook said:
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/MTimT said:That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)
According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)
The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.
The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.
Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.
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Telegraph: "Without America, Britain must lead in standing up to Tsar Putin's new imperial Russia".
Daily Mail: "Ministers [sic] secret bid to block Trump-Putin pact: Britain practices deploying TANKS through the Channel Tunnel as Whitehall officials try to convince incoming Pentagon counterparts to remain wary of the Russian leader".
Do you know what this is? This is SAD!
Britain now has the US, Russia and Germany against her. When you're in a hole, for goodness sake stop digging!
But no. Mophead Boris puts his foot in his mouth and digs away, talking of punishment beatings. Number Ten has to say oh he was just being theatrical, with the implication that anyone who thinks this twat is a twat must be stupid. We didn't understand. We didn't get the joke. We've got no culture. It couldn't possibly be that he is an "entitled" twat of twats who is utterly unfit for his office.
If May wants to win just a tiny amount of my respect, she should sack him. But she won't.
As they say in Easy Rider, "this used to be a great country". (And before I get jumped on: I am not attacking this country. I am expressing exasperation at the pathetic fools that run it.)
Regarding the topic of this thread: yes Mike, you're right. Many aspects of what makes good propaganda don't change much over the decades. Bernays on propaganda, Linebarger on psychological warfare, Ogilvy on Advertising, Cialdini on influence - they're all as worth reading now as they ever were.
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Dreadful. Dreadful patent violation that is!Big_G_NorthWales said:Report that a German company has invented anti rape underwear in view of increasing number of rape attacks and they are selling out completely.
That is just dreadful
AntibRape undies were invented some years ago in New York.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2013/nov/11/problem-anti-rape-underwear-chastity-belt?client=ms-android-sonymobile
Though with the pussy grabber at large there, I can understand why.
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What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?Tykejohnno said:
Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
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We will still have Platos twitter chums. What more do you need?rottenborough said:
Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.Black_Rook said:
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/MTimT said:That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)
According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)
The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.
The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.
Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.-1 -
Take it to the tip rather than dump it in a country layby?Dromedary said:
What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?Tykejohnno said:
Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
Coming to an authority near you apparently
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I'm confused, which is the Sun's front page for tomorrow?0
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I meant the 4 weeks collecting was a disgrace.Dromedary said:
What do you expect people to do if rubbish isn't collected with reasonable frequency? Put up with rats?Tykejohnno said:
Watch the fly tipping,that is a disgrace.Big_G_NorthWales said:The Daily Mail front page headlines our County (Conwy) move to four week bin collections.
My wife and I manage as we recycle plastic, glass, cardboard and food waste weekly but it is very difficult for many.
Coming to an authority near you apparently0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
We will still have Platos twitter chums. What more do you need?rottenborough said:
Oh, and wouldn't that be brilliant? Another newspaper down the swanny. A vibrant and diverse press with proper, serious journos who investigate stories and write factual stories with genuine quotes has been the lifeblood of democracy for three hundred years.Black_Rook said:
http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2016/10/20/national-newspaper-abcs-september-2016/MTimT said:That is a real LibDem job on the vertical scale for Sun sales. I wonder how the Sun's circulation fall compares to the Grauniad's or the Independent's ... (latter is deliberately cheeky)
According to these recent figures, The Guardian is down to not much more than 150,000 copies, and is now being outsold by both the FT and the Daily Record (the latter of which, of course, is not widely available outside of Scotland.)
The Sun is down to about 1.7 million. Both Sun and Guardian show year-on-year decline of a little under 6%.
The Sun - for the time being - is still viable. Rumour has it that The Guardian will have burnt through the Scott Trust's entire cash pile in a few years and it will then go the way of The Independent - hence the pathetic begging messages at the end of all the articles on their website.
Sometimes I wonder if most people have any idea what we are losing.
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