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.@michaelgove invites @realDonaldTrump to say UK will be front of the queue for a trade deal with US. PEOTUS declines pic.twitter.com/G5mUTCSNA2
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Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.0
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Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.0
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Huzzah for Jeremy Hunt, we should praise a successful businessman and not condemn him.
With such business nous, Hunt should put the NHS on a commercial footing.0 -
Good luck to Hunt. He built a business and is reaping the reward. Will he get Entrepreneur's relief?0
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What benefit does the US get from a trade deal that is beneficial to the UK?TheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
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NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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He is a maverick and I would accept his words with a great deal of scepticismTheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
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PEOTUSTheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
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The first flashpoint could be in an unexpected place - Kosovo. Russia has always bitterly resented the way it was sidelined over that intervention.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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PEEOTUS (snigger)Sunil_Prasannan said:PEOTUS
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Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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See - you can be funnyScott_P said:
PEEOTUS (snigger)Sunil_Prasannan said:PEOTUS
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I know what he has said about allies pulling their weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
I have sympathies with that view.
But the comments tonight do concern me.0 -
It is already agreed for the late Spring at Windsor I believeSouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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Some of my party.SouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
This ain't going to be Reagan or Thatcher, or FDR and Churchill, though you could argue the lend lease deal was the worst trade deal we've signed in our history, we finally paid it off 60 years after WWII ended.0 -
On Russia, I think you can guarantee that Russia won't rock the boat until after July 2018.0
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Not going to hold back is he
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-calls-nato-obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview0 -
Golden Showers are very pretty:Scott_P said:
PEEOTUS (snigger)Sunil_Prasannan said:PEOTUS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncidium#/media/File:Oncidium_excavatum_RTBG.jpg0 -
What benefit does the US get from a trade deal that is beneficial to the UK?
Trade deals are done because they are win-win. If they're not win-win, they won't be done.
The UK perhaps has up to a quarter of the EU's economy in services, so it'd be done for the same reasons TTIP was done: to boost both the UK and US economies in services trade.
I imagine it'd be focused on non-tariff barriers, ease of visas for business travel, and temporary working, and removing customs duties.0 -
I don't. But I think Congress are more serious.TheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
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Poor, poor woman.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is already agreed for the late Spring at Windsor I believeSouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!0
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The Israelis and MI6 have both been advised not to share everything with Trump because they worry he'll share it with the Russians, and the Russians will share it with Iran.Floater said:
I know what he has said about allies pulling their weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
I have sympathies with that view.
But the comments tonight do concern me.0 -
@Kasparov63: I'm still waiting for Trump to say something about global affairs that hasn't literally been said first by the Kremlin. twitter.com/business/statu…Floater said:0 -
Very blunt about her (Merkel) maniac open door policy.Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
But he is not wrong there.0 -
It certainly won't be Ronnie and Maggie. More likely Gordon chasing Barack through the UN kitchens.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of my party.SouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
This ain't going to be Reagan or Thatcher, or FDR and Churchill, though you could argue the lend lease deal was the worst trade deal we've signed in our history, we finally paid it off 60 years after WWII ended.
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Yet he is far more pro Israel than Obama it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Israelis and MI6 have both been advised not to share everything with Trump because they worry he'll share it with the Russians, and the Russians will share it with Iran.Floater said:
I know what he has said about allies pulling their weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
I have sympathies with that view.
But the comments tonight do concern me.
It's going to be a hell of a ride.
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What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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I see my tip of 1/25 has moved out to 1/50.
I still think that's value.0 -
Not a fan of Hunt, but with stories like this no wonder we don't get more successful folk in politics.
He built a business 20 years ago, 10 years ago he gave up all day to day input into it and his investment is in a blind trust i.e. he did everything right, which is fairly uncommon for politicians.
Despite all of that, it now it is being used as a stick to beat him with. His current job (mis)managing the NHS and criticism of it has absolutely nothing to do with this.0 -
No idea but he has told Bilt they have to locate to the US or face 35% tariff on BMW's built in Mexicomatt said:
What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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Trump said what had to be said about Israel to get the evangelical vote. There is little evidence to suggest a long-standing, convinced commitment to its future.Floater said:
Yet he is far more pro Israel than Obama it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Israelis and MI6 have both been advised not to share everything with Trump because they worry he'll share it with the Russians, and the Russians will share it with Iran.Floater said:
I know what he has said about allies pulling their weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
I have sympathies with that view.
But the comments tonight do concern me.
It's going to be a hell of a ride.
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What benefit does the UK get from a trade deal with the US?SouthamObserver said:
What benefit does the US get from a trade deal that is beneficial to the UK?TheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
A lowering of UK food standards to US levels, an opening of UK public services to US multinationals using ISDS challenges. A continued restriction of any UK opportunities at the US state level eg Californian motor regulations. A US/UK TTIP would be a disaster.0 -
Trump chasing Tezza in Benny Hill style?SouthamObserver said:
It certainly won't be Ronnie and Maggie. More likely Gordon chasing Barack through the UN kitchens.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of my party.SouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
This ain't going to be Reagan or Thatcher, or FDR and Churchill, though you could argue the lend lease deal was the worst trade deal we've signed in our history, we finally paid it off 60 years after WWII ended.0 -
Without a legal basis, he's no more than a tyrant. Yet some people, even here, here seem to think this is a good thing. One can witter on about shaking things up and the like but without the rule of law to protect us (both individuals and legal persons) we are at the whim of potentates and tyrants. I genuinely fail to understand why they think this good.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea but he has told Bilt they have to locate to the US or face 35% tariff on BMW's built in Mexicomatt said:
What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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Aslef leader Tosh McDonald 'I hated Thatcher so much that I used to set my alarm an hour earlier, just so I could hate her for am extra hour! '
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4122098/amp/Union-boss-Southern-Rail-strikes-pledges-bring-Theresa-tells-used-hour-early-hate-Thatcher-longer.html?client=ms-android-orange-gb0 -
Crafty idea of the Donald's to say he lift sanctions on Russia in return for a deal to reduce nuclear weapons. Whoever would have thought that this would deliver Putin 100% of what he wants?0
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The Gove/Trump interview is here
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/donald-trump-interview-brexit-britain-trade-deal-europe-queen-5m0bc2tns0 -
FPT
The CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization ) is a Russian NATO analogy: a "Dark Nato" if you will. Serbia is an observer in it.another_richard said:
How strongly allied is Serbia to Russia ?
Serbia was attacked by the Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1 and by the Germans during WWII. The former Yugoslavian countries that left it behind as Yugoslavia broke up went to the EU.
So for the past century Serbia has been at war with Germany or its avatars several times, and allied with Russia or its equivalents.
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One of the reasons I'm a conservative is that I passionately believe in free trade, free trade leads to freer people, countries that send goods and services across borders are most unlikely to send soldiers across those borders.
I have an expectation that Donald Trump will be the worst thing to have happened to free trade in many decades.0 -
Nobody in his right mind would want that, Mr Barnesian. Do you think Mrs May will go for it?Barnesian said:
What benefit does the UK get from a trade deal with the US?SouthamObserver said:
What benefit does the US get from a trade deal that is beneficial to the UK?TheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
A lowering of UK food standards to US levels, an opening of UK public services to US multinationals using ISDS challenges. A continued restriction of any UK opportunities at the US state level eg Californian motor regulations. A US/UK TTIP would be a disaster.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Unionviewcode said:FPT
The CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization ) is a Russian NATO analogy: a "Dark Nato" if you will. Serbia is an observer in it.another_richard said:
How strongly allied is Serbia to Russia ?
Serbia was attacked by the Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1 and by the Germans during WWII. The former Yugoslavian countries that left it behind as Yugoslavia broke up went to the EU.
So for the past century Serbia has been at war with Germany or its avatars several times, and allied with Russia or its equivalents.
Serbia officially applied for European Union membership on 22 December 2009,[6] and the European Commission recommended making it an official candidate on 12 October 2011. After the vote of the 27 EU foreign ministers on 28 February 2012, where with 26 votes for and 1 vote against, a candidate status recommendation was issued, and Serbia received full candidate status on 1 March. On 28 June 2013 the European Council endorsed the Council of Ministers conclusions and recommendations to open accession negotiations with Serbia.[7][8] In December 2013 the Council of the European Union approved opening negotiations on Serbia's accession in January 2014,[9] and the first Intergovernmental Conference was held on 21 January at the European Council in Brussels.[10]0 -
I do not think it is good - indeed his protectionist policies are wrong but at least I am glad we seem to be on the same sidematt said:
Without a legal basis, he's no more than a tyrant. Yet some people, even here, here seem to think this is a good thing. One can witter on about shaking things up and the like but without the rule of law to protect us (both individuals and legal persons) we are at the whim of potentates and tyrants. I genuinely fail to understand why they think this good.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea but he has told Bilt they have to locate to the US or face 35% tariff on BMW's built in Mexicomatt said:
What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/eu-opposes-to-serbia-s-military-drills-with-russia-08-18-2015-1Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Unionviewcode said:FPT
The CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization ) is a Russian NATO analogy: a "Dark Nato" if you will. Serbia is an observer in it.another_richard said:
How strongly allied is Serbia to Russia ?
Serbia was attacked by the Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1 and by the Germans during WWII. The former Yugoslavian countries that left it behind as Yugoslavia broke up went to the EU.
So for the past century Serbia has been at war with Germany or its avatars several times, and allied with Russia or its equivalents.0 -
I know, Sunil. But I think we've seen the high water mark of the West. We have a proRussian POTUS succeeding a Pacific-Rim orientated POTUS, UK is leaving EU, EU banged up against reality when it talked to Ukraine. The West is splitting up, we're climbing up our own arse...I don't see Serbia as a slam-dunkSunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Unionviewcode said:FPT
The CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization ) is a Russian NATO analogy: a "Dark Nato" if you will. Serbia is an observer in it.another_richard said:
How strongly allied is Serbia to Russia ?
Serbia was attacked by the Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1 and by the Germans during WWII. The former Yugoslavian countries that left it behind as Yugoslavia broke up went to the EU.
So for the past century Serbia has been at war with Germany or its avatars several times, and allied with Russia or its equivalents.
Serbia officially applied for European Union membership on 22 December 2009,[6] and the European Commission recommended making it an official candidate on 12 October 2011. After the vote of the 27 EU foreign ministers on 28 February 2012, where with 26 votes for and 1 vote against, a candidate status recommendation was issued, and Serbia received full candidate status on 1 March. On 28 June 2013 the European Council endorsed the Council of Ministers conclusions and recommendations to open accession negotiations with Serbia.[7][8] In December 2013 the Council of the European Union approved opening negotiations on Serbia's accession in January 2014,[9] and the first Intergovernmental Conference was held on 21 January at the European Council in Brussels.[10]0 -
I can believe it. Can't imagine what she and Trump have in common
https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/8207740716128051200 -
The Americans will tell us what deal they're prepared to give us. We'll decide whether or not we will take it. They will be in charge, for a number of very obvious reasons.PClipp said:
Nobody in his right mind would want that, Mr Barnesian. Do you think Mrs May will go for it?Barnesian said:
What benefit does the UK get from a trade deal with the US?SouthamObserver said:
What benefit does the US get from a trade deal that is beneficial to the UK?TheScreamingEagles said:Putting faith in the POETUS is courageous, as Sir Humphrey would put it.
A lowering of UK food standards to US levels, an opening of UK public services to US multinationals using ISDS challenges. A continued restriction of any UK opportunities at the US state level eg Californian motor regulations. A US/UK TTIP would be a disaster.
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I'm not sure he's on our side: I don't think Trump has friends per se. If it's in his interests to hurt us, he will do so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think it is good - indeed his protectionist policies are wrong but at least I am glad we seem to be on the same sidematt said:
Without a legal basis, he's no more than a tyrant. Yet some people, even here, here seem to think this is a good thing. One can witter on about shaking things up and the like but without the rule of law to protect us (both individuals and legal persons) we are at the whim of potentates and tyrants. I genuinely fail to understand why they think this good.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea but he has told Bilt they have to locate to the US or face 35% tariff on BMW's built in Mexicomatt said:
What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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Montenegro and Serbia have set a goal to finish accession talks by 2019.[64]williamglenn said:
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/eu-opposes-to-serbia-s-military-drills-with-russia-08-18-2015-1Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Unionviewcode said:FPT
The CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization ) is a Russian NATO analogy: a "Dark Nato" if you will. Serbia is an observer in it.another_richard said:
How strongly allied is Serbia to Russia ?
Serbia was attacked by the Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1 and by the Germans during WWII. The former Yugoslavian countries that left it behind as Yugoslavia broke up went to the EU.
So for the past century Serbia has been at war with Germany or its avatars several times, and allied with Russia or its equivalents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union0 -
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When somebody says gifted these days, I normally think of a Christmas present that you don't want and thus "gifted" it to somebody else.TheScreamingEagles said:I can believe it. Can't imagine what she and Trump have in common
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I note with interest that there's a Playboy cover behind Michael Gove.
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Hollande's foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault warns Donald Trump not to recognise occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It will be interesting to see how Marine Le Pen responds.
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Isn't West Jerusalem unoccupied? West of the Green Line?Dromedary said:Hollande's foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault warns Donald Trump not to recognise occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It will be interesting to see how Marine Le Pen responds.
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The roast of Donald Trump onc50
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Fantastic game of the grid-irons at the moment.0
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One Nation is polling very well (for them) for the upcoming Western Australia state elections. Could be the start of something...TheScreamingEagles said:I can believe it. Can't imagine what she and Trump have in common
https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/820774071612805120
William Hill have Labor at 1.33 to win the WA election which looks suspiciously like free money.0 -
Nothing is unoccupied.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't West Jerusalem unoccupied? West of the Green Line?Dromedary said:Hollande's foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault warns Donald Trump not to recognise occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It will be interesting to see how Marine Le Pen responds.
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It was a catastrophic error. Although, ironically, it seems to have caused bigger waves outside Germany than in it.SeanT said:
The problem for all Trump-haters and Trump-sceptics (and I'm definitely one of the latter) is that lots of what he says is completely true, and perceptive, and needed saying in these blunt terms. Merkel's decision to let in 1m migrants/refugees WAS a catastrophic error, and led directly to Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:The Gove/Trump interview is here
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/donald-trump-interview-brexit-britain-trade-deal-europe-queen-5m0bc2tns
But is there any world politician other than Trump who will come out and say that?
The thing that scares me most about Donald Trump is that he is reflexively anti-free trade. In the late 1920s, the Smoot Hawey Act was passed to protect US industries from foreign competition. Too many jobs were lost due to cheap imports. Other nations reacted by increasing their own tariffs, world trade collapsed, and The Great Depression ensued.
Donald Trump's Border Tax is Smoot Hawey, only worse. It is equivalent to - depending on how you count it - something between a 5 and 20% tax on all imports. And it applies to all, free trade agreement or not.
What is dumb - of course - is that other countries will react by imposing their own Border Profit Tax. And the biggest losers, by a country mile, from this would be US firms. Imagine Apple paying the UK government 20% of the value of each iPhone sold in the UK to compensate it for the taxes lost by the iPhone not being built in the UK!
But, of course, such a move - if replicated everywhere - would dramatically increase the costs of doing business across borders. We in the UK are a nation defined by trade. And we are a nation with high value add services, which would be hit the most.
I hope Congress stands up and says "this is stupid". But, can they? Trump's tax cuts are predicated on bringing in hundreds of billions by taxing Glaxo for importing drugs into the US, or ARM for microprocessor licenses.
I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.0 -
nunu said:
Nothing is unoccupied, thousands of settlements everywhere.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't West Jerusalem unoccupied? West of the Green Line?Dromedary said:Hollande's foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault warns Donald Trump not to recognise occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It will be interesting to see how Marine Le Pen responds.
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If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.0 -
West Jerusalem was part of Israel before 1967.nunu said:
Nothing is unoccupied.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't West Jerusalem unoccupied? West of the Green Line?Dromedary said:Hollande's foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault warns Donald Trump not to recognise occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It will be interesting to see how Marine Le Pen responds.
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What a game!0
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If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.0 -
Do I need to sell my Glaxo sharesrcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.
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Water off a duck's back - she's put up with (much) worse....the Ceaucescus, anyone?SouthamObserver said:
Poor, poor woman.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is already agreed for the late Spring at Windsor I believeSouthamObserver said:
Your party is going to prostrate itself at his feet. Please don't let him near the Queen.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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No, just keep taking the tablets.Pulpstar said:
Do I need to sell my Glaxo sharesrcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time. ?0 -
I haven't seen anyone on this board say they think they made the wrong call on Brexit yet.rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.
If ever there was proof needed that arguments don't change people's minds...
Assuming you voted leave - you seem close to being the first?0 -
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I wonder if the Queen will be sent to the Tower this year.0
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The Trump Tower, I mean.0
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I think she's done with long foreign trips.old_labour said:I wonder if the Queen will be sent to the Tower this year.
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surbiton said:
FPTweejonnie said:
Well someone hasn't read theAlistair said:
The pensioners parents also voted, but they chose to vote for things that benefitted the next generation.John_M said:
Young people should try voting.surbiton said:
The pensioners today are one of the most selfish people in history. From birth, they have had privileges no other generation had until then. They were the first beneficiaries of the Welfare State.SouthamObserver said:
Trump won more votes than Hillary among the wealthiest in the US; while she beat him among the poorest.glw said:
I genuinely think it has had that effect on some people, and Trump's victory has had a similar effect in America. There are people I used to follow on Twitter who are serious academics who had started posting quite barmy conspiracy nonsense, I stopped listening.John_M said:Based on events since last June, I can only conclude that the Brexit vote has unhinged some of our academics, presumably because they feel it threatens their funding.
It seems to me that some people are used to people like them always "winning", no matter what party actually won the election it was a party that coveted their support and was filled with people like them. Brexit and Trump are a victory for people who have been politically excluded for a long time, and our "betters" are not taking that very well.
Leave won because of huge support for it among pensioners - who have seen their incomes rise over 13% in the last decade, while those of working age have seen theirs fall.
The triple lock was no more than a bribe.propagandaleaflet given to everybody at the time. Back then we didn't have mass communication available to the masses. And most people voted for a Common Market, not a Federal Europe.
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The US electoral system has elected a complete moron. Ironically, the very people who elected him will also suffer.rcs1000 said:
It was a catastrophic error. Although, ironically, it seems to have caused bigger waves outside Germany than in it.SeanT said:
The problem for all Trump-haters and Trump-sceptics (and I'm definitely one of the latter) is that lots of what he says is completely true, and perceptive, and needed saying in these blunt terms. Merkel's decision to let in 1m migrants/refugees WAS a catastrophic error, and led directly to Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:The Gove/Trump interview is here
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/donald-trump-interview-brexit-britain-trade-deal-europe-queen-5m0bc2tns
But is there any world politician other than Trump who will come out and say that?
The thing that scares me most about Donald Trump is that he is reflexively anti-free trade. In the late 1920s, the Smoot Hawey Act was passed to protect US industries from foreign competition. Too many jobs were lost due to cheap imports. Other nations reacted by increasing their own tariffs, world trade collapsed, and The Great Depression ensued.
Donald Trump's Border Tax is Smoot Hawey, only worse. It is equivalent to - depending on how you count it - something between a 5 and 20% tax on all imports. And it applies to all, free trade agreement or not.
What is dumb - of course - is that other countries will react by imposing their own Border Profit Tax. And the biggest losers, by a country mile, from this would be US firms. Imagine Apple paying the UK government 20% of the value of each iPhone sold in the UK to compensate it for the taxes lost by the iPhone not being built in the UK!
But, of course, such a move - if replicated everywhere - would dramatically increase the costs of doing business across borders. We in the UK are a nation defined by trade. And we are a nation with high value add services, which would be hit the most.
I hope Congress stands up and says "this is stupid". But, can they? Trump's tax cuts are predicated on bringing in hundreds of billions by taxing Glaxo for importing drugs into the US, or ARM for microprocessor licenses.
I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.0 -
Morning. Trump's latest press conference - with added pee jokes. Whole golden streams of pee jokes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2V8TO6y0IR40 -
An absolute maniac. This guy is a nut case. He needs help.Floater said:0 -
Be careful about taking anything at face valueBig_G_NorthWales said:
I do not think it is good - indeed his protectionist policies are wrong but at least I am glad we seem to be on the same sidematt said:
Without a legal basis, he's no more than a tyrant. Yet some people, even here, here seem to think this is a good thing. One can witter on about shaking things up and the like but without the rule of law to protect us (both individuals and legal persons) we are at the whim of potentates and tyrants. I genuinely fail to understand why they think this good.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea but he has told Bilt they have to locate to the US or face 35% tariff on BMW's built in Mexicomatt said:
What's the legal basis for this?Big_G_NorthWales said:I said a few days ago he will put tariffs on BMW's built in their new Mexico plant. He has confirmed that direct to Bild in his interview. Taxing times !!
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As several have suggested overnight the new POTUS is a "game changer". No longer on the cards for Brexiteers is the prospect of a balanced/beneficial free trade deal with the USA. He says the US has to address its trade deficit with the rest of the world, particularly with China and the emphasis for his administration should be smart trade, rather than free trade.
Well that's alright then, smart trade arrangements for the US and dumb trade arrangements for everyone else. All this coming out at the same time as we trigger Article 50 to leave the EU. A "perfect storm" for our negotiating team. There is no need for the European side to offer us anything other than a "hard" Norway/Swiss deal because they know we are not going to get better anywhere else as trade barriers across the world start to go up.
Is there a betting market on Parliament approving the negotiated Brexit deal? I suspect we might find invoking Article 50 turns out to be the equivalent of walking through a revolving rather than exit door.0 -
Interesting comments. We are going to pursue hard brexit though, there is no alternative as we have established over the last few days.rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.
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Fortunately for the Nation "we" are not those in power. There is always an alternative; it's just a different section of the population that will be upset if it is implemented.nielh said:
Interesting comments. We are going to pursue hard brexit though, there is no alternative as we have established over the last few days.rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.0 -
If Robert's terrified we all shuld be. As Bette Davis (nearly) said 'fasten your seatbelts. We're for a bumpy ride'rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.0 -
Depends on what faith you have in those in power. In my own assessment May, Davis and Hammond are good eggs. Fox, Johnson and 70% of the conservative party are bad news.Ally_B said:
Fortunately for the Nation "we" are not those in power. There is always an alternative; it's just a different section of the population that will be upset if it is implemented.nielh said:
Interesting comments. We are going to pursue hard brexit though, there is no alternative as we have established over the last few days.rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.
Even if we get Brexit fudge where we get a 'leave in name only' type deal then you end up with a slim majority coalition of liberal leavers and remainers running the country - IE the 'status quo', and an embittered, angry opposition screaming betrayal that builds up support and eventually overthrows it. Political chaos for a generation.
Sometimes I'd much rather the leavers took back control and be in a minority insurgency holding them to account than part of an unsustainable status quo.
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So "do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?"rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.0 -
Gove looks really awkward in that pose.TheScreamingEagles said:I note with interest that there's a Playboy cover behind Michael Gove.
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I was accused of being unduly negative with my global outlook piece last week:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/08/the-consequences-of-what-has-already-happened-and-the-consequences-of-what-is-yet-to-come/
The last couple of days' news seems to fit with it well.0 -
Reading the hatchet jobs on Jeremy Hunt this morning, it's clear why good and successful people are being dissuaded from entering politics.
This is a company that he founded and worked to run before he become an MP, he did the right thing and placed his shares in trust and has had no input into the company since he joined the government, no-one is suggesting anything inappropriate about his shareholding, dividends or cash windfall from the sale.
Donald Trump was right when he said that the British don't like success.0 -
When was this ever on the cards?Ally_B said:No longer on the cards for Brexiteers is the prospect of a balanced/beneficial free trade deal with the USA.
The job of the US President is to get the best possible deal for the US.
Roosevelt was perfectly happy to fight to the last Briton if that spared American lives.
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NATO members have agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence. Most have been free riding on America's largesse. If they want the benefits of the treat they need to meet their obligations.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
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If success involves hurting others, then no one should like it.Sandpit said:Reading the hatchet jobs on Jeremy Hunt this morning, it's clear why good and successful people are being dissuaded from entering politics.
This is a company that he founded and worked to run before he become an MP, he did the right thing and placed his shares in trust and has had no input into the company since he joined the government, no-one is suggesting anything inappropriate about his shareholding, dividends or cash windfall from the sale.
Donald Trump was right when he said that the British don't like success.
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Strictly speaking, the CIA has leaked both those pieces of information (The advice to the Israelis and the request from the Brits).TheScreamingEagles said:
The Israelis and MI6 have both been advised not to share everything with Trump because they worry he'll share it with the Russians, and the Russians will share it with Iran.Floater said:
I know what he has said about allies pulling their weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
I have sympathies with that view.
But the comments tonight do concern me.
It may be true, or it may be the CIA making stuff up. They certainly benefit from the leak.0 -
Don't encourage him, Robert.rcs1000 said:
If the US puts in place the Border Tax, and we pursue Hard Brexit, we are going to be in seven seas of shit economically.williamglenn said:
If you're right, do you still think Brexit was the correct decision?rcs1000 said:I hope I'm wrong. But every day makes me more scared that I'm right. And I fear that we in the UK will be among the most negatively impacted.
Despite all you've said about how we weren't comfortable with the political aspect, our position in the treaties is secure and surely this is not a sensible time to be pulling out.
I am genuinely terrified about the UK economic outlook, in a way I simply haven't been for a long time.0 -
Oh, you mean it was always meant to be like this? Fast forward to "Dirty Harry" Trump in 2019.CarlottaVance said:
When was this ever on the cards?Ally_B said:No longer on the cards for Brexiteers is the prospect of a balanced/beneficial free trade deal with the USA.
The job of the US President is to get the best possible deal for the US.
Roosevelt was perfectly happy to fight to the last Briton if that spared American lives.
It's his job
"Did you get a fair trade deal here?". Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But this being the USA, the most powerful trading nation in the world, you've gotta ask yourself one question. "Do you feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?0 -
To be fair to Hunt, in what way does Hotcourses hurt others?Innocent_Abroad said:
If success involves hurting others, then no one should like it.Sandpit said:Reading the hatchet jobs on Jeremy Hunt this morning, it's clear why good and successful people are being dissuaded from entering politics.
This is a company that he founded and worked to run before he become an MP, he did the right thing and placed his shares in trust and has had no input into the company since he joined the government, no-one is suggesting anything inappropriate about his shareholding, dividends or cash windfall from the sale.
Donald Trump was right when he said that the British don't like success.0 -
It may not. I know absolutely nothing about it.OldKingCole said:
To be fair to Hunt, in what way does Hotcourses hurt others?Innocent_Abroad said:
If success involves hurting others, then no one should like it.Sandpit said:Reading the hatchet jobs on Jeremy Hunt this morning, it's clear why good and successful people are being dissuaded from entering politics.
This is a company that he founded and worked to run before he become an MP, he did the right thing and placed his shares in trust and has had no input into the company since he joined the government, no-one is suggesting anything inappropriate about his shareholding, dividends or cash windfall from the sale.
Donald Trump was right when he said that the British don't like success.
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Trump's calling other NATO members out here - particularly Germany I think. & Quite right too.Charles said:
NATO members have agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence. Most have been free riding on America's largesse. If they want the benefits of the treat they need to meet their obligations.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
Meanwhile I note the pound has gone under $1.20 - even as an employee of an exporter thats too low !
Under the Tories. Brexit needs to be gone through with, but Jesus - $1.20 under the fricking Conservatives.......
Maybe the truth is between Merkel's million refugees, our spineless pre-brexit leadership who talked out both sides of their mouth and Trump we were always screwed.0 -
I'd never heard of the website till yesterday - weird that its worth £30 million when its simply a listing of courses, but there we are.OldKingCole said:
To be fair to Hunt, in what way does Hotcourses hurt others?Innocent_Abroad said:
If success involves hurting others, then no one should like it.Sandpit said:Reading the hatchet jobs on Jeremy Hunt this morning, it's clear why good and successful people are being dissuaded from entering politics.
This is a company that he founded and worked to run before he become an MP, he did the right thing and placed his shares in trust and has had no input into the company since he joined the government, no-one is suggesting anything inappropriate about his shareholding, dividends or cash windfall from the sale.
Donald Trump was right when he said that the British don't like success.0 -
Google Dornbusch overshooting.Pulpstar said:
Trump's calling other NATO members out here - particularly Germany I think. & Quite right too.Charles said:
NATO members have agreed to spend 2% of GDP on defence. Most have been free riding on America's largesse. If they want the benefits of the treat they need to meet their obligations.TheScreamingEagles said:
NATO was one of the key things that ensured peace in Europe and helped bring down communism, no wonder Putin wants to see it destroyed, and his popinjay in Washington agrees.Floater said:Trump's comments about NATO could be huge, they could be massive.
Meanwhile I note the pound has gone under $1.20 - even as an employee of an exporter thats too low !
Under the Tories. Brexit needs to be gone through with, but Jesus - $1.20 under the fricking Conservatives.......
Maybe the truth is between Merkel's million refugees, our spineless pre-brexit leadership who talked out both sides of their mouth and Trump we were always screwed.
I may even have spelt it right
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