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If the LDs win even in Stoke, an overwhelmingly Leave seat, then we might very well stay in the Single Market actually and we may as well keep free movement exactly as now as such a platform has won in even the most anti EU areas. However that is also precisely why the LDs will not winperdix said:
The Libs may push for the Single Market and they could theoretically win there but it won't change the outcome of the negotiations. We will leave the single market. Too late Libs!surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
5/1 the foxes looks bigfoxinsoxuk said:
Playing Leicester tommorow, or not it seems!isam said:
Chinese club offered him £575k a week Tuesday... hasn't trained sinceScrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
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You keep repeating that but it is not true , like much of what you post . False news in fact , The candidate was the spouse of a different councillor for this ward not the disqualified councillor .HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
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Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
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Well if you say so but that was what was reported from a number of source so apologies if those sources were incorrect. It was still a protest vote against the complete failure of the previous Labour incumbent to do their duties though, whether the Labour candidate was their spouse or notMarkSenior said:
You keep repeating that but it is not true , like much of what you post . False news in fact , The candidate was the spouse of a different councillor for this ward not the disqualified councillor .HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
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Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
Makes the 16-1 on United seem a reasonable bet. If Chelsea City and Liverpool lose at the week-end-all of which are possible their odds should at least halve.Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
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Labour came second in Witney in 2015 and in normal circumstances should have been the main challengers to the Tories, yet they saw their voteshare falljustin124 said:
Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
For your interest , there is a by election in Fylde DC on Feb 9th . The Ratepayers councillor has been disqualified for non attendance as was the Sunderland Labour councillor . He is standing in the by election and will easily get back the seat from which he was disqualified ,HYUFD said:
Well if you say so. It was still a protest vote against the complete failure of the previous Labour incumbent to do their duties though, whether the Labour candidate was their spouse or notMarkSenior said:
You keep repeating that but it is not true , like much of what you post . False news in fact , The candidate was the spouse of a different councillor for this ward not the disqualified councillor .HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
Sometimes the nominal reason for the by election does not tell the whole story .0 -
Sounds about right to me, Ranieri will put on an effort, and our new midfielders (Ndidi and Mendy) played very well in the cup.isam said:
5/1 the foxes looks bigfoxinsoxuk said:
Playing Leicester tommorow, or not it seems!isam said:
Chinese club offered him £575k a week Tuesday... hasn't trained sinceScrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
Costa dropped by Blues.....
Gone now. 9/2
Even so, Chelsea should win comfortably.0 -
I know that - but they did not invest anything like the same resources in the campaign as the LibDems because it had far less significance for them. Had Labour done so , I suspect the contest for second place would have been much more competitive.HYUFD said:
Labour came second in Witney in 2015 and in normal circumstances should have been the main challengers to the Tories, yet they saw their voteshare falljustin124 said:
Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
We will see once the by election has been held. I grant you that the LDs are doing a bit better than at the last general election (not too difficult given the 2015 election was the worst Liberal performance since 1970) and are managing to attract the protest votes of hardcore Remainers, however if they were really on a roll they should have won Witney and come second in Sleaford and they did not. We will see what Copeland and Stoke bring but in the latter at least the LDs will certainly need to repeat the second place they got in 2010 to show a real revivalMarkSenior said:
Foe your interest , there is a by election in Fylde DC on Feb 9th . The Ratepayers councillor has been disqualified for non attendance as was the Sunderland Labour councillor . He is standing in the by election and will easily get back the seat from which he was disqualified ,HYUFD said:
Well if you say so. It was still a protest vote against the complete failure of the previous Labour incumbent to do their duties though, whether the Labour candidate was their spouse or notMarkSenior said:
You keep repeating that but it is not true , like much of what you post . False news in fact , The candidate was the spouse of a different councillor for this ward not the disqualified councillor .HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
Sometimes the nominal reason for the by election does not tell the whole story .0 -
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Well it does not exactly inspire confidence when the main opposition party cannot be bothered to invest resources in a by election when it should be seeking to be the focal point for protest, Labour have not even come in the top two in 1 by election since the referendum which has been contested by the other main partiesjustin124 said:
I know that - but they did not invest anything like the same resources in the campaign as the LibDems because it had far less significance for them. Had Labour done so , I suspect the contest for second place would have been much more competitive.HYUFD said:
Labour came second in Witney in 2015 and in normal circumstances should have been the main challengers to the Tories, yet they saw their voteshare falljustin124 said:
Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
The truth is you can't divide England into north and south because there are some places, like Sutton Coldfield and Nuneaton for example, which are definitely not in the north, but they're just as much not in the south either. They're just in the Midlands.0
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Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Throughout much of history the Trent has been considered the boundary between North and South.Charles said:Isn't the Trent the (informal) boundary between Percy ("The Kings in the North") and Talbot ("Lord of the Marches")? That would make it a pretty clear demarcation.
In Roman times it was the boundary between the civilian and military zones of Roman Britain.
During the 100 years war all counties in England were expected to raise men and funds to pay for the war. The exceptions were the south coast counties who were supposed to protect against invasion or raids and any county North of the Trent as that was considered border country against raids or invasion from Scotland.
During the Pilgrimage of Grace rebellion the commander sent North by Henry VIII to suppress the rebellion refused to cross the Trent and instead fortified the crossings at Newark.
Anything North of the Trent is bandit country.
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this is why we divide england into cornwall, the north, the far north and the not far enough northAndyJS said:The truth is you can't divide England into north and south because there are some places, like Sutton Coldfield and Nuneaton for example, which are definitely not in the north, but they're just as much not in the south either. They're just in the Midlands.
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are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
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The fact is it was far more important to the LibDems than Labour as reflectrd in the effort made.HYUFD said:
Well it does not exactly inspire confidence when the main opposition party cannot be bothered to invest resources in a by election when it should be seeking to be the focal point for protest, Labour have not even come in the top two in 1 by election since the referendum which has been contested by the other main partiesjustin124 said:
I know that - but they did not invest anything like the same resources in the campaign as the LibDems because it had far less significance for them. Had Labour done so , I suspect the contest for second place would have been much more competitive.HYUFD said:
Labour came second in Witney in 2015 and in normal circumstances should have been the main challengers to the Tories, yet they saw their voteshare falljustin124 said:
Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
Aberdeen has a Pret.nunu said:
are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
Costa dropped by Blues.....0 -
New Zealand PM Bill English talks up 'high quality trade deal' with post Brexit UK after meeting Theresa May at No 10
https://order-order.com/2017/01/13/new-zealand-pm-talks-high-quality-trade-deal/0 -
Some hints of common sense emerging?Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Bill English? He should run for First Minister.HYUFD said:New Zealand PM Bill English talks up 'high quality trade deal' with post Brexit UK after meeting Theresa May at No 10
https://order-order.com/2017/01/13/new-zealand-pm-talks-high-quality-trade-deal/0 -
Yes he took over from John Key not that long after May succeeded Cameron, his surname is certainly encouragingwilliamglenn said:
Bill English? He should run for First Minister.HYUFD said:New Zealand PM Bill English talks up 'high quality trade deal' with post Brexit UK after meeting Theresa May at No 10
https://order-order.com/2017/01/13/new-zealand-pm-talks-high-quality-trade-deal/0 -
The north ends much further south than that.Richard_Tyndall said:
Aberdeen has a Pret.nunu said:
are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
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Well what about Sleaford then where Labour were also second at the last general election but came fourth in the by election? The fact is in both by elections the Remain vote went LD and the Leave vote to the Tories and UKIP, Labour got squeezedjustin124 said:
The fact is it was far more important to the LibDems than Labour as reflectrd in the effort made.HYUFD said:
Well it does not exactly inspire confidence when the main opposition party cannot be bothered to invest resources in a by election when it should be seeking to be the focal point for protest, Labour have not even come in the top two in 1 by election since the referendum which has been contested by the other main partiesjustin124 said:
I know that - but they did not invest anything like the same resources in the campaign as the LibDems because it had far less significance for them. Had Labour done so , I suspect the contest for second place would have been much more competitive.HYUFD said:
Labour came second in Witney in 2015 and in normal circumstances should have been the main challengers to the Tories, yet they saw their voteshare falljustin124 said:
Richmond yes - but Labour's performance in the other two seats was affected by other factors. In Witney they were held back by not applying anything like the same resources as the LibDems.HYUFD said:
That was not the case in Witney, Richmond Park or Sleaford and Hykeham where Labour was squeezed by the LDs, UKIP and the Toriesjustin124 said:
I believe that is completely wrong. Whatever anoraks on here might like to think , most people are not obsessed by Brexit and will vote on the basis of other issues.surbiton said:If the Liberals campaign in Stoke mainly on Brexit, they will win regardless of their previous history there. They have to emphasise they will push for the single market and staying in it.
The Tories, UKIP and Corbyn's Labour will be pro-Brexit.0 -
You're on the mailing list for BarCap as was. Impressed.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
I've been to Newark too.Richard_Tyndall said:
Throughout much of history the Trent has been considered the boundary between North and South.Charles said:Isn't the Trent the (informal) boundary between Percy ("The Kings in the North") and Talbot ("Lord of the Marches")? That would make it a pretty clear demarcation.
In Roman times it was the boundary between the civilian and military zones of Roman Britain.
During the 100 years war all counties in England were expected to raise men and funds to pay for the war. The exceptions were the south coast counties who were supposed to protect against invasion or raids and any county North of the Trent as that was considered border country against raids or invasion from Scotland.
During the Pilgrimage of Grace rebellion the commander sent North by Henry VIII to suppress the rebellion refused to cross the Trent and instead fortified the crossings at Newark.
Anything North of the Trent is bandit country.0 -
I just have an account at Barclays Paris. I imagine it went to all account holdersmatt said:
You're on the mailing list for BarCap as was. Impressed.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Doesn't begin to explain why they turned to the Lib Dems rather than UKIP who were in 2nd place and supposed to have Labour quaking in their northern heartlands under Nuttall.HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
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I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-386184480 -
A Lib Dem supporting the Snoopers Charter is a bit like a member of Ukip supporting membership of the EU.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-386184480 -
Everything is wrong with this question!nunu said:
are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
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Determined is too strong. I'm a massive fan of the EU and will be very disappointed when we leave. I also expect Brexit to fail so expecting me to be enthusiastic is expecting too much. I wonder how many on here would be cheering Corbyn on and wishing his government well in the event of a Labour victory?felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
For most Labour voters the LDs are probably their natural party of preference and most moved en masse to them in this council by election in protest at the behaviour of the previous Labour incumbent it seems. I doubt UKIP are really going to eat that much more into the Labour vote at the moment beyond that they already did at the last election, the LDs and Tories are more likely beneficiaries based on current polling but almost certainly not on the scale of last night which was down to unique circumstances. If and when it is a softer Brexit than it now looks then UKIP may do a bit better but for now they are treading waterOllyT said:
Doesn't begin to explain why they turned to the Lib Dems rather than UKIP who were in 2nd place and supposed to have Labour quaking in their northern heartlands under Nuttall.HYUFD said:
Only because the Labour councillor resigned because of non-attendance and Labour were then stupid enough to pick their spouse as the candidateMikeSmithson said:
That was in the special circumstances of the coalition. The world has changed and the LDs are winning all over the place. In Sunderland last night they went from 4% in 2015 to 45%.RobD said:To come from 4.2% to win the seat would be an amazing result for the LDs!
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He was a long-term MP for Montgomeryshire though so it is a boost for the Tory MP there that he no longer supports the yellowstlg86 said:
A Lib Dem supporting the Snoopers Charter is a bit like a member of Ukip supporting membership of the EU.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-386184480 -
Nah. I've heard there are a few in London though;nunu said:
are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
Costa dropped by Blues.....
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/every-building-in-london-to-be-a-pret-a-manger-by-2020-201701051197030 -
I voted Remain with some reservations but would certainly vote to stay out in any second referendum, if we reentered now it would be a national humiliation beyond even Suez and effectively the end of the UK as a sovereign nation state. While I also want a reasonable deal with the EU I also recognise that some immigration controls must be a part of the Brexit process to respect what was such a key plank of the winning Leave platformRoger said:
Determined is too strong. I'm a massive fan of the EU and will be very disappointed when we leave. I also expect Brexit to fail so expecting me to be enthusiastic is expecting too much. I wonder how many on here would be cheering Corbyn on and wishing his government well in the event of a Labour victory?felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
GoodHYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-386184480 -
Well, that rule certainly worked with Bonnie Prince Charlie - he reached Swarkestone Bridge over the Trent before scuttling back north!Richard_Tyndall said:
Throughout much of history the Trent has been considered the boundary between North and South.Charles said:Isn't the Trent the (informal) boundary between Percy ("The Kings in the North") and Talbot ("Lord of the Marches")? That would make it a pretty clear demarcation.
In Roman times it was the boundary between the civilian and military zones of Roman Britain.
During the 100 years war all counties in England were expected to raise men and funds to pay for the war. The exceptions were the south coast counties who were supposed to protect against invasion or raids and any county North of the Trent as that was considered border country against raids or invasion from Scotland.
During the Pilgrimage of Grace rebellion the commander sent North by Henry VIII to suppress the rebellion refused to cross the Trent and instead fortified the crossings at Newark.
Anything North of the Trent is bandit country.
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I was just about to type 'I doubt people would be cheering on any potential job losses and harsh economic times' then I realised that's what referendum losers are doing!Roger said:
Determined is too strong. I'm a massive fan of the EU and will be very disappointed when we leave. I also expect Brexit to fail so expecting me to be enthusiastic is expecting too much. I wonder how many on here would be cheering Corbyn on and wishing his government well in the event of a Labour victory?felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Good.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-386184480 -
I'd be wishing for it to be a success, certainly. Surely anyone would?Roger said:
Determined is too strong. I'm a massive fan of the EU and will be very disappointed when we leave. I also expect Brexit to fail so expecting me to be enthusiastic is expecting too much. I wonder how many on here would be cheering Corbyn on and wishing his government well in the event of a Labour victory?felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
well looks like got out just in time as they are mulling a fifth freedom
"The Commission said a new "principle of free movement of data within the EU" should guide decision making by EU countries affecting data storage or processing."0 -
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
I heard it's a wasteland and you only have kebab shops........Omnium said:
Everything is wrong with this question!nunu said:
are there any Prets in the north?Scrapheap_as_was said:
No, I think Pret is....JackW said:
Was he expected to stand in Stoke Central for the Tories ?Scrapheap_as_was said:BLIMEY
Costa dropped by Blues.....0 -
He hasn't been in tune with Lib Demmery for a long time, especially on security.YellowSubmarine said:
Good.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
But was your "good" because you wanted to see the back of him or because you think the Lib Dems have been dealt a blow?0 -
The WSJ has a longer version of the quote from the US Ambassador to the EU.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ambassador-to-eu-warns-trump-on-brexit-1484327214
“We shouldn’t become cheerleaders for Brexit, particularly a Brexit that is more likely to be a hard, and a disorderly, unmanaged Brexit. That would be in my view absolute folly,” he said. If Brexit led to a fragmentation of the European single market he said, “it would be very bad news for American business.”
“The perceived idea of some is that 2017 is the year that the EU is going to fall apart,” Mr. Gardner said, referring to conversations between Mr. Trump’s transition team and top EU officials that he said he had been told of. But he said “the EU is not about to fall apart.”
“To think that supporting the fragmentation of Europe would be supporting our interests would be sheer folly. It would be lunacy,” he said.0 -
Mr Gardner is an appointment of President Obama who was an EUphile and opposed Brexit. Trump's likely appointment as next US Ambassador to the EU backed Brexitwilliamglenn said:The WSJ has a longer version of the quote from the US Ambassador to the EU.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ambassador-to-eu-warns-trump-on-brexit-1484327214
“We shouldn’t become cheerleaders for Brexit, particularly a Brexit that is more likely to be a hard, and a disorderly, unmanaged Brexit. That would be in my view absolute folly,” he said. If Brexit led to a fragmentation of the European single market he said, “it would be very bad news for American business.”
“The perceived idea of some is that 2017 is the year that the EU is going to fall apart,” Mr. Gardner said, referring to conversations between Mr. Trump’s transition team and top EU officials that he said he had been told of. But he said “the EU is not about to fall apart.”
“To think that supporting the fragmentation of Europe would be supporting our interests would be sheer folly. It would be lunacy,” he said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098478/Strident-Brexiteer-revealed-leading-candidate-Donald-Trump-s-new-ambassador-EU.html
The Trump team even asked the EU leadership which nation would be next to leave
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2609978/donald-trumps-officials-call-the-eu-to-ask-which-country-will-be-next-to-do-a-brexit-departing-us-ambassador-to-brussels-reveals/0 -
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
There is no problem in the EU to which the answer isn't More Europe.Pagan said:well looks like got out just in time as they are mulling a fifth freedom
"The Commission said a new "principle of free movement of data within the EU" should guide decision making by EU countries affecting data storage or processing."0 -
This is interesting. Labour have gone for an all female short list in Copeland. It means the Sellafield Union Official isn't on it. Quite a departure for local politics.
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/No-acceptable-reason-for-delaying-Copeland-MP-by-election-borough-mayor-90530ea9-b522-45ea-83e6-99e0763e91d1-ds0 -
That'd be the best scenario, but I really can't see it happening. There simply isn't the time or ability available to negotiate a complex middle ground. I reckon it'll have to be close to either a full, hard Brexit or Brexit in name only, at least in the two years we have. Looking further into the future, we might then begin to move closer together or further apart, respectively.SeanT said:
That's how I see it. We'll get half of what we want, the EU will get half of what it wants, both sides will claim victory, and hardliners everywhere will scream betrayal.HYUFD said:
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
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Yes, it will be neither soft Brexit nor hard Brexit but 'fudged Brexit' exactly as you saySeanT said:
That's how I see it. We'll get half of what we want, the EU will get half of what it wants, both sides will claim victory, and hardliners everywhere will scream betrayal.HYUFD said:
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
Because I want to see the back of him. It was good riddance.MrsB said:
He hasn't been in tune with Lib Demmery for a long time, especially on security.YellowSubmarine said:
Good.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
But was your "good" because you wanted to see the back of him or because you think the Lib Dems have been dealt a blow?
EDIT: I see Yellow Sub and I both wrote "good". I can't speak for Yellow Sub but my comment is definitely good riddance.0 -
Most likely May offers a job offer requirement rather than a points system and limited budget contributions and gets limited single market access in some key sectors and a vague promise of a trade deal later onFeersumEnjineeya said:
That'd be the best scenario, but I really can't see it happening. There simply isn't the time or ability available to negotiate a complex middle ground. I reckon it'll have to be close to either a full, hard Brexit or Brexit in name only, at least in the two years we have. Looking further into the future, we might then begin to move closer together or further apart, respectively.SeanT said:
That's how I see it. We'll get half of what we want, the EU will get half of what it wants, both sides will claim victory, and hardliners everywhere will scream betrayal.HYUFD said:
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
The Trent is a sort of red line in the North/Midlands debate in that it's rare to find any suggestion that anything south of the Trent is in the North. But that doesn't mean that some of the stuff north of the Trent isn't in the Midlands. For all that I'm from halfway up Derbyshire and consider myself just-about-Northern, I've always regarded Derby as a Midland town (well, a Midland city since 1977). Derby-Nottingham-Leicester is a triangle of Eastmidlandsness. (And the forthcoming Derby vs Leicester tie in the FA Cup is surely an East Midlands derby.)Charles said:Isn't the Trent the (informal) boundary between Percy ("The Kings in the North") and Talbot ("Lord of the Marches")? That would make it a pretty clear demarcation.
There's an official EU statistical designation of the East Midlands which includes the whole of Derbyshire. That seems bonkers - as mentioned upthread, wherever one draws the Midlands/North line, the top left-hand corner of Derbyshire just has to be Northern. I can't imagine that the number of people living in Glossop or Chapel-en-le-Frith who regard themselves as Midlanders is very large.
Re the West/East Midlands thing, I always have trouble remembering whether Burton is in Staffordshire or Derbyshire, as it sort of leans into Derbyshire even though it's in Staffs. In that regard it's the Berwick of the Midlands: in one place but feeling like it's actually in another.0 -
O/T:
Some real idiots on this video re. the storms, especially the man pushing the wheelchair with the old woman:
http://www.itv.com/news/0 -
Just the sort of thing a straight-talking non-politician US President might undiplomatically point out when he's at a summit.SeanT said:
Funnily enough, they are generally right. The solution to many EU problems - from the currency to migration to lack of democracy - is a proper Federal superstate, with fiscal transfers, an EU army and border force, EU police, directly elected EU president, and so on.Casino_Royale said:
There is no problem in the EU to which the answer isn't More Europe.Pagan said:well looks like got out just in time as they are mulling a fifth freedom
"The Commission said a new "principle of free movement of data within the EU" should guide decision making by EU countries affecting data storage or processing."0 -
This happened a while ago.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
His Party designation was changed on the House of Lords website earlier this week - and it takes a while to filter through to there.
Other recent Lords changes:
Baroness (Camilla) Cavendish has resigned from the Conservative Party - only appointed a few months ago in Cameron resignation list. Some speculation this was because she was going for BBC Chairman - though she didn't get it.
Lord Lyell (Con) has died - but he was a hereditary so he'll be replaced by another Con in a by-election.0 -
Burton is in Staffordshire and therefore the West Midlands. The local council is East Staffordshire and I know that a lot of people in the area mis-read it as East Midlands because I've heard them talk about it.Cambusdave said:
The Trent is a sort of red line in the North/Midlands debate in that it's rare to find any suggestion that anything south of the Trent is in the North. But that doesn't mean that some of the stuff north of the Trent isn't in the Midlands. For all that I'm from halfway up Derbyshire and consider myself just-about-Northern, I've always regarded Derby as a Midland town (well, a Midland city since 1977). Derby-Nottingham-Leicester is a triangle of Eastmidlandsness. (And the forthcoming Derby vs Leicester tie in the FA Cup is surely an East Midlands derby.)Charles said:Isn't the Trent the (informal) boundary between Percy ("The Kings in the North") and Talbot ("Lord of the Marches")? That would make it a pretty clear demarcation.
There's an official EU statistical designation of the East Midlands which includes the whole of Derbyshire. That seems bonkers - as mentioned upthread, wherever one draws the Midlands/North line, the top left-hand corner of Derbyshire just has to be Northern. I can't imagine that the number of people living in Glossop or Chapel-en-le-Frith who regard themselves as Midlanders is very large.
Re the West/East Midlands thing, I always have trouble remembering whether Burton is in Staffordshire or Derbyshire, as it sort of leans into Derbyshire even though it's in Staffs. In that regard it's the Berwick of the Midlands: in one place but feeling like it's actually in another.0 -
Trumps approval rating 37% Obamas 55%. Trumps is the lowest on record.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/donald_trump_approval_rating_a.html0 -
yep, and that was the mistake. Why was he campaigning there where UKIP were going to win anyway?isam said:
I am sorry but that is just you guessing & it's not true. Farage worked very hard indeed, I campaigned for Ukip in Clacton alongside him and he was knocking on every door in the crappiest town in England!SouthamObserver said:
Too many in UKIP think working class voters will just flock to their ranks. But that's not how it works. You need to put in the tough graft of policy-making, fighting council elections hard, manning stalls at the weekends, knocking on doors, getting in the local paper and so on. That was never Nigel; it needs to be Nuttall.MikeK said:Nuttall needs to start a complete reorganisation of UKIP.
I may be wrong but UKIP has shown no progress since his election as leader. In fact quite the reverse, which to me is a shame, because at one time it was on the verge of becoming a real player in British politics.0 -
That storm video again:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyFZcdWu1js0 -
Sensible Brexit.HYUFD said:
Yes, it will be neither soft Brexit nor hard Brexit but 'fudged Brexit' exactly as you saySeanT said:
That's how I see it. We'll get half of what we want, the EU will get half of what it wants, both sides will claim victory, and hardliners everywhere will scream betrayal.HYUFD said:
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
Is the large (and city-council-running) Stoke Independents group fielding a candidate? If so, the contest gets very complicated indeed.0
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I always find it hard to understand why most politicians who leave one party find it necessary to join another immediately - like those who cross the floor from Conservative to Labour or vice versa.MrsB said:
He hasn't been in tune with Lib Demmery for a long time, especially on security.YellowSubmarine said:
Good.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
But was your "good" because you wanted to see the back of him or because you think the Lib Dems have been dealt a blow?
It's almost as though they need the support of a party - any party - rather than thinking for themselves for a while.
I can easily understand people who find they are diverging from their party's views; it's the instant identification with almost polar opposite views I find hard to credit.
I see this gentleman is simply leaving the LibDems; no big drama about joining any other party straight away. Good for him.
Good evening, everyone.0 -
ThanksMikeL said:
This happened a while ago.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
His Party designation was changed on the House of Lords website earlier this week - and it takes a while to filter through to there.
Other recent Lords changes:
Baroness (Camilla) Cavendish has resigned from the Conservative Party - only appointed a few months ago in Cameron resignation list. Some speculation this was because she was going for BBC Chairman - though she didn't get it.
Lord Lyell (Con) has died - but he was a hereditary so he'll be replaced by another Con in a by-election.0 -
@MrsB @Barnesian Good question. I don't know what has happened to Alex. He was a good liberal and a good MP. But his authoritarian shilling while he had the Terrorism gig was inexplicable and unforgivable. The only real reason not to have withdrawn the whip from him was that would have been more illiberal than he was.
Though as you perhaps allude to having left the Lib Dems myself over four years ago I'm not the best judge of the party's needs and fortunes. Though I still think about the old girl is a confused manner In the way you might about an ex spouse you loved, then bitterly divorced whose Crack addiction eventually did kill them after all. As you predicted.0 -
It will be the GOP Congress though that will be first up for any protest vote in the 2018 midterms, if the Democrats take the House that will ironically boost Trump's chances of re-election, especially against a left-liberal like Warren. A Trump presidency will be far worse for GOP candidates than a Hillary presidency would have been but a gift to PelosiRoger said:Trumps approval rating 37% Obamas 55%. Trumps is the lowest on record.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/donald_trump_approval_rating_a.html0 -
For 60-70% of the country certainlychestnut said:
Sensible Brexit.HYUFD said:
Yes, it will be neither soft Brexit nor hard Brexit but 'fudged Brexit' exactly as you saySeanT said:
That's how I see it. We'll get half of what we want, the EU will get half of what it wants, both sides will claim victory, and hardliners everywhere will scream betrayal.HYUFD said:
Indeed and once the inevitable compromise occurs then the LD revival will start to fade a little and it will be UKIP who start to claim much of the protest vote insteadSeanT said:
Both sides will have to compromise. The City is a huge asset to Europe, inside or outside the EU - it makes no sense to hammer it, only to see bankers skedaddle to NYC and SingaporeSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
See also this in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/aa76b168-a5b9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de60 -
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Yes quite true as I said earlier. The day Ukip won Clacton they lost Heywood and Middleton by 600 votes. All the top faces were in Clacton, so poor use of resources.MrsB said:
yep, and that was the mistake. Why was he campaigning there where UKIP were going to win anyway?isam said:
I am sorry but that is just you guessing & it's not true. Farage worked very hard indeed, I campaigned for Ukip in Clacton alongside him and he was knocking on every door in the crappiest town in England!SouthamObserver said:
Too many in UKIP think working class voters will just flock to their ranks. But that's not how it works. You need to put in the tough graft of policy-making, fighting council elections hard, manning stalls at the weekends, knocking on doors, getting in the local paper and so on. That was never Nigel; it needs to be Nuttall.MikeK said:Nuttall needs to start a complete reorganisation of UKIP.
I may be wrong but UKIP has shown no progress since his election as leader. In fact quite the reverse, which to me is a shame, because at one time it was on the verge of becoming a real player in British politics.
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If the Conservatives are going to try in Stoke, the £100 at 15 on Betfair must be fair?0
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I see that there's been a political defection with Lord Carlile leaving the LibDems. Good riddance. You'd struggle to find anyone more illiberal.0
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Checkout Emily Maitlis clobber on Newsnight!!0
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Not necessarily. Any peer can stand but the electors are those who hold the Tory whip.HYUFD said:
ThanksMikeL said:
This happened a while ago.HYUFD said:I see Lord Carlile has quit the LDs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38618448
His Party designation was changed on the House of Lords website earlier this week - and it takes a while to filter through to there.
Other recent Lords changes:
Baroness (Camilla) Cavendish has resigned from the Conservative Party - only appointed a few months ago in Cameron resignation list. Some speculation this was because she was going for BBC Chairman - though she didn't get it.
Lord Lyell (Con) has died - but he was a hereditary so he'll be replaced by another Con in a by-election.0 -
Look me in the eye and tell me that, when Labour win a GE, you don't think: well that'll show them, they won't be laughing when they have to pay more for their beer and fags.SeanT said:
To me, this makes you, simply, a traitor.Dadge said:
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
I know this word is tossed about (not least by me) but Remainers like you who want Britain and the British to suffer impoverishment, decay and decline as punishment for some absurd, perceived "xenophobia" are traitors.
You "wish your own country ill". In your own words!
Here's some advice. Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Bring a puke-bucket.
Go on, tell me.0 -
Your continued ranting makes the memory of that joyous night in June last year come back with renewed vigour, remembering the brave step my fellow Brits took.Dadge said:
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Sun political editor's Father was at lunch when the Queen did or didn't criticise the EU
https://order-order.com/2017/01/13/clegg-changes-story-queen-backed-brexit-yet/#comment-30970676790 -
Don't believe you. Plus I know every week there seems to be a different fad, but they do say you should have a day or two a week off the booze.SeanT said:
No, I don't think that. I really don't. I'm a patriot AND a democrat. If my fellow Brits vote Labour, then I accept it, and wish ill on no one. I may decry their mistake, but I know they have their motives (different from mine) and that electoral fortunes will change, over time.TOPPING said:
Look me in the eye and tell me that, when Labour win a GE, you don't think: well that'll show them, they won't be laughing when they have to pay more for their beer and fags.SeanT said:
To myour own words!Dadge said:
drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
Here's some advice. Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Bring a puke-bucket.
Go on, tell me.
These fucking Remoaner traitors are DISGUSTING. Cockroaches.0 -
Why should we be surprised by treason?SeanT said:Mods, can we have Dadge banned?
That crosses the line.
If MikeK can be suspended for race-baiting, I see no reason why Dadge shouldn't be carded for actually wishing disaster on all Britons, because he doesn't like the way we voted in a referendum.
These sorts of people are like Philby, Burgess and Maclean: well-educated, upper-middle class types willingly selling out their own country to a foreign power in pursuit of their deluded and naive ideals.
And there were plenty of others like them. Not all spies, sure, or as well-placed, but sympathetic.
In the 1930s it was for Commmuism and the USSR. If they were alive today, it would be for the EU.
As Orwell said in the 1940s: England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during God save the King than of stealing from a poor box.0 -
I deny that I was race-baiting, so called. There is no doubt that I was suspended though.SeanT said:Mods, can we have Dadge banned?
That crosses the line.
If MikeK can be suspended for race-baiting, I see no reason why Dadge shouldn't be carded for actually wishing disaster on all Britons, because he doesn't like the way we voted in a referendum.0 -
It would be the best thing that would happen. I am going to Kevin Keegan style LOVE IT if Brexit is a complete disaster.Dadge said:
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
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'Cockroach' was a favourite epithet of the Rwandan Interahamwe before the genocide. Rhetoric tends to reflect values; you might want to consider that.SeanT said:
No, I don't think that. I really don't. I'm a patriot AND a democrat. If my fellow Brits vote Labour, then I accept it, and wish ill on no one. I may decry their mistake, but I know they have their motives (different from mine) and that electoral fortunes will change, over time.TOPPING said:
Look me in the eye and tell me that, when Labour win a GE, you don't think: well that'll show them, they won't be laughing when they have to pay more for their beer and fags.SeanT said:
To myour own words!Dadge said:
drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
Here's some advice. Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Bring a puke-bucket.
Go on, tell me.
These fucking Remoaner traitors are DISGUSTING. Cockroaches.
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He's not himself at the moment. He will be suitably contrite tomorrow when he wakes up.Nigelb said:
'Cockroach' was a favourite epithet of the Rwandan Interahamwe before the genocide. Rhetoric tends to reflect values; you might want to consider that.SeanT said:
No, I don't think that. I really don't. I'm a patriot AND a democrat. If my fellow Brits vote Labour, then I accept it, and wish ill on no one. I may decry their mistake, but I know they have their motives (different from mine) and that electoral fortunes will change, over time.TOPPING said:
Look me in the eye and tell me that, when Labour win a GE, you don't think: well that'll show them, they won't be laughing when they have to pay more for their beer and fags.SeanT said:
To myour own words!Dadge said:
drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
Here's some advice. Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Bring a puke-bucket.
Go on, tell me.
These fucking Remoaner traitors are DISGUSTING. Cockroaches.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn vows to take failed care homes into public ownership
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Amarone, profoundly bitter, profoundly delicious.SeanT said:TOPPING:
"Don't believe you. Plus I know every week there seems to be a different fad but they do say you should have a day or two a week off the booze."
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Clearly you do think this shit, so you have merely exposed yourself: as another Remoaner traitor.
This referendum has been like lifting up the stone, to see the scuttling nastiness that exists just beneath the liberal, europhile facade
As for booze, I'm two glasses of Amarone into the evening. Been working hard all day. I'm stone cold sober by my standards. I'm just genuinely amazed, startled and repelled by the abhorrent bilge Remainers like you are now dribbling out of your electorally sodomized arseholes, which so closely resemble your mouths.0 -
If you dislike Brexit UK so much why don't you move to Brussels then?Dura_Ace said:
It would be the best thing that would happen. I am going to Kevin Keegan style LOVE IT if Brexit is a complete disaster.Dadge said:
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Yet not to be drunk from pint glasses.MonikerDiCanio said:
Amarone, profoundly bitter, profoundly delicious.SeanT said:TOPPING:
"Don't believe you. Plus I know every week there seems to be a different fad but they do say you should have a day or two a week off the booze."
****
Clearly you do think this shit, so you have merely exposed yourself: as another Remoaner traitor.
This referendum has been like lifting up the stone, to see the scuttling nastiness that exists just beneath the liberal, europhile facade
As for booze, I'm two glasses of Amarone into the evening. Been working hard all day. I'm stone cold sober by my standards. I'm just genuinely amazed, startled and repelled by the abhorrent bilge Remainers like you are now dribbling out of your electorally sodomized arseholes, which so closely resemble your mouths.0 -
I hate Labour UK but when they are in government I don't look to move to Islington.HYUFD said:
If you dislike Brexit UK so much why don't you move to Brussels then?Dura_Ace said:
It would be the best thing that would happen. I am going to Kevin Keegan style LOVE IT if Brexit is a complete disaster.Dadge said:
It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Every time I hear another story of everyday xenophobia it does make me wish my own country ill. Even if before the referendum my fellow countryidiots had an excuse for being so shitty, they certainly have no excuse now that they've voted to pull up the drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."0 -
Strained.SeanT said:
No, I won't. Not for this. You europhiles are emetic and repulsive: you wish ill on your fellow Britons for exercising a democratic choice. You are, indeed, cockroaches, though I fear I am possibly doing a disservice to Things That Live Under The Fridge, in making this comparison.TOPPING said:
He's not himself at the moment. He will be suitably contrite tomorrow when he wakes up.Nigelb said:
'Cockroach' was a favourite epithet of the Rwandan Interahamwe before the genocide. Rhetoric tends to reflect values; you might want to consider that.SeanT said:
No, . Cockroaches.TOPPING said:
Look me in the eye and tell me that, when Labour win a GE, you don't think: well that'll show them, they won't be laughing when they have to pay more for their beer and fags.SeanT said:
To myour own words!Dadge said:
drawbridge.SeanT said:
That's true of most Remoaners, but I think some of the more deranged - like Meeks - actively want to see the country suffer, and slide into penury and famine, as some kind of "punishment" for our grievous error.Casino_Royale said:
I think it's more they hate the idea they might turn out to be wrong.felix said:
Roger is determined to see the UK destroyed by Brexit - he and his ilk are among the reasons why Remain lost.Charles said:
Barclays France (The bits they didn't sell a few weeks ago) has always been a French company - originally part of DCO I believe. Not related to passporting.Roger said:
By then the British banks will be well set up in Paris Frankfurt and Dublin. I got a circular from Barclays France explaining some expansion plan they have in the pipeline. I imagine all the banks have plansSouthamObserver said:
Now, that looks interesting.Gardenwalker said:Interesting, from the pro-Remain Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit
"The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City."
Here's some advice. Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Bring a puke-bucket.
Go on, tell me.
You're better when you're not trying so hard.0 -
What about failed party leaderships?YellowSubmarine said:Jeremy Corbyn vows to take failed care homes into public ownership
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/13/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-take-failed-care-homes-into-public-ownership?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
Remainer bitterness is like teenage acne.....the pus just oozes out, day after day.0
