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The police here have heard of the phrase "proportionate response" but have decided that's for pinko liberal Yurpeens. You may recall the incident a couple of years ago when the NYPD took out a guy who shot his former boss outside the Empire State Building and the coppers managed to wound NINE passers by in the process.SeanT said:
Yes this could just be panic, as I say.rpjs said:
CBS saying that police on site beginning to calm down. There is a parking garage that's still being searched but it seems the police activity there is diminishing.SeanT said:
But they are quoting the local sheriff who says there IS a 2nd shooterrpjs said:Philip_Thompson said:
Is it definite that the first suspect in custody is a shooter and not an innocent? The Germans nicked the wrong person at first the other day and its unusual to have an armed suspect arrested rather than shot in these scenarios in the US.SeanT said:2nd shooter "confirmed" by Fox
Fox currently saying "no evidence" of a second shooter.SeanT said:
Try Fox, or the Live Audio Feedrpjs said:CBS saying shooter Esteban Santiago is from NJ and was bearing multiple weapons and wearing a "dark uniform". None of the media I'm watching are reporting any suggestion that there are confirmed other shooters. Live footage is showing police on alert; searching areas, crouched behind vehicles with rifles etc.
I agree, tho: very confused. The controllers on the live audio were adamant about a 2nd shooter... But could just be panic.
What is amazing is that you could hear the panic spread (if that's what it is) on the Audio Feed.
Like a kind of Chinese Whispers on crystal meth.0 -
LOL! They can't find anybody at all for any of the Sunday morning TV and radio, really?Black_Rook said:Some more light relief:
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/817453188169236480
Maybe their thinking is that if everyone forgets what Labour stands for right now, their polling numbers might not go below 20% before the May elections?0 -
Prime Minister, surely?RobD said:
Biden for Governor General?Black_Rook said:Some light relief:
twitter.com/theuptake/status/8174522141258833930 -
Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !0 -
MSNBC saying there are claims that the shooter came in from Canada on an Air Canada flight, but this seems spurious. At least one eyewitness has said he saw the shooter come into baggage reclaim from outside.0
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It shows in the difference between the two countries (UK, US) on advice to the public on terrorist, marauding incidents. Run, hide, fight (US) vs Run, hide, tell (UK).rpjs said:
The police here have heard of the phrase "proportionate response" but have decided that's for pinko liberal Yurpeens. You may recall the incident a couple of years ago when the NYPD took out a guy who shot his former boss outside the Empire State Building and the coppers managed to wound NINE passers by in the process.SeanT said:
Yes this could just be panic, as I say.rpjs said:
CBS saying that police on site beginning to calm down. There is a parking garage that's still being searched but it seems the police activity there is diminishing.SeanT said:
But they are quoting the local sheriff who says there IS a 2nd shooterrpjs said:Philip_Thompson said:
Is it definite that the first suspect in custody is a shooter and not an innocent? The Germans nicked the wrong person at first the other day and its unusual to have an armed suspect arrested rather than shot in these scenarios in the US.SeanT said:2nd shooter "confirmed" by Fox
Fox currently saying "no evidence" of a second shooter.SeanT said:
Try Fox, or the Live Audio Feedrpjs said:CBS saying shooter Esteban Santiago is from NJ and was bearing multiple weapons and wearing a "dark uniform". None of the media I'm watching are reporting any suggestion that there are confirmed other shooters. Live footage is showing police on alert; searching areas, crouched behind vehicles with rifles etc.
I agree, tho: very confused. The controllers on the live audio were adamant about a 2nd shooter... But could just be panic.
What is amazing is that you could hear the panic spread (if that's what it is) on the Audio Feed.
Like a kind of Chinese Whispers on crystal meth.0 -
ISIS welcomes all who bow to its strict interpretation of the Sunnah.Floater said:
Howabout one called Dave?HYUFD said:
Certainly never heard of a Muslim called Esteban before, maybe not ISIS after allrpjs said:Just announced shooter's name is Esteban Santiago - had a military ID on him. Unclear if ID is real. - FL Sen Bill Nelson on CNN, says he got it from head of TSA - Adm Neffinger.
We have no idea whether this is islamic terrorism or not at this stage but do bear in mind you can't just go by a name. Leaving "Dave" aside, it could have been false ID or even someone who converted.0 -
Kremlinology - what does it say about Diane or John if they are not on...?Sandpit said:
LOL! They can't find anybody at all for any of the Sunday morning TV and radio, really?Black_Rook said:Some more light relief:
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/817453188169236480
Maybe their thinking is that if everyone forgets what Labour stands for right now, their polling numbers might not go below 20% before the May elections?0 -
Looks like some of the people on the tarmac are being let back into the terminals at last. And Broward Cty Sheriff is starting a presser.
Sheriff: 13 shot, 8 being treated in hospital, 5 dead. SWAT teams clearing whole airport to ensure it's safe. Shooter in custody, unharmed, no shots fired by BCSO. FBI and BCSO are interviewing suspect.0 -
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/817467513239961607rpjs said:MSNBC saying there are claims that the shooter came in from Canada on an Air Canada flight, but this seems spurious. At least one eyewitness has said he saw the shooter come into baggage reclaim from outside.
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2016 US Presidential Election / Turnout / 58.00 - 61.99 percentSandpit said:
Wow, only 60 days after the election, pleased I wasn't on that one!Pulpstar said:Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !
What was the turnout in the end?
Turns out @JackW ARSE did get one right
And H Clinton PV I guess !0 -
Sheriff: No confirmation of any shooting other than at baggage area. No one else in custody.0
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No, watching the authorities' press conference. I really wouldn't get too excited about the live feed - fog of war and all that.SeanT said:
Have you got the live feed?rpjs said:Sheriff: No confirmation of any shooting other than at baggage area. No one else in custody.
They're freaking out. Again it's probably just panic.
Someone just said "we have people barricaded in a room with guns"....0 -
Sheriff unable to confirm suggestion gunman flew in from Canada.0
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I think the name stems from a nineteenth century fort from the Seminole wars. Lots of hotels, and quite smart waterways. The intracoastal starts here and it is also the main port for southern Florida, with lots of cruise ships. It blends into North Miami, but is newer and posher, albeit less historically interesting than Miami Beach. I was there a couple of years ago for a conference.Philip_Thompson said:
Didn't think so, I thought it was basically a retirement town of old people.nunu said:Fort Lauderdale is a millatry town right?
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CBS saying the Broward Cty Commisioner says the suspect was on flight from Canada with checked gun, he claimed it from the carousel and went into a bathroom to load it, came out firing.
Suspect name now given as Esteban Santiago Ruiz.0 -
known locally as Dave?rpjs said:CBS saying the Broward Cty Commisioner says the suspect was on flight from Canada with checked gun, he claimed it from the carousel and went into a bathroom to load it, came out firing.
Suspect name now given as Esteban Santiago Ruiz.0 -
The downtown area with the canals and big conference hotels is very pretty.foxinsoxuk said:
I think the name stems from a nineteenth century fort from the Seminole wars. Lots of hotels, and quite smart waterways. The intracoastal starts here and it is also the main port for southern Florida, with lots of cruise ships. It blends into North Miami, but is newer and posher, albeit less historically interesting than Miami Beach. I was there a couple of years ago for a conference.Philip_Thompson said:
Didn't think so, I thought it was basically a retirement town of old people.nunu said:Fort Lauderdale is a millatry town right?
It also has a reputation as a Spring Break party town.0 -
Dear god it's addictive - "two bodies"..."are they yellows or reds?"SeanT said:
Indeed. The Fire and Rescue were completely convinced there was a second shooter. Said it emphatically, "multiple eye-witnesses". Yet complete bollocks, it seems...?rpjs said:
No, watching the authorities' press conference. I really wouldn't get too excited about the live feed - fog of war and all that.SeanT said:
Have you got the live feed?rpjs said:Sheriff: No confirmation of any shooting other than at baggage area. No one else in custody.
They're freaking out. Again it's probably just panic.
Someone just said "we have people barricaded in a room with guns"....
Edit: "yellows at this time.."0 -
The mind does boggle at the gun culture here sometimes.rpjs said:CBS saying the Broward Cty Commisioner says the suspect was on flight from Canada with checked gun, he claimed it from the carousel and went into a bathroom to load it, came out firing.
Suspect name now given as Esteban Santiago Ruiz.0 -
Hope the wait was worth the payout. Glad to see Jack's ARSE did come up with a couple of winners in the secondary markets at least.Pulpstar said:
2016 US Presidential Election / Turnout / 58.00 - 61.99 percentSandpit said:
Wow, only 60 days after the election, pleased I wasn't on that one!Pulpstar said:Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !
What was the turnout in the end?
Turns out @JackW ARSE did get one right
And H Clinton PV I guess !
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Yeah CBS is asking Sen Nelson whether this means all guns should be banned from checked luggage and he's "won't anybody think of the hunters?"RobD said:
The mind does boggle at the gun culture here sometimes.rpjs said:CBS saying the Broward Cty Commisioner says the suspect was on flight from Canada with checked gun, he claimed it from the carousel and went into a bathroom to load it, came out firing.
Suspect name now given as Esteban Santiago Ruiz.0 -
They could get them shipped, as an alternative.rpjs said:
Yeah CBS is asking Sen Nelson whether this means all guns should be banned from checked luggage and he's "won't anybody think of the hunters?"RobD said:
The mind does boggle at the gun culture here sometimes.rpjs said:CBS saying the Broward Cty Commisioner says the suspect was on flight from Canada with checked gun, he claimed it from the carousel and went into a bathroom to load it, came out firing.
Suspect name now given as Esteban Santiago Ruiz.0 -
"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.0 -
Why do you hate freedom, boy?Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.0 -
Jack's always had an excellent record on turnout, even if the band didn't look like being the winner earlier we should always remember how slowly the coasts count.Sandpit said:
Hope the wait was worth the payout. Glad to see Jack's ARSE did come up with a couple of winners in the secondary markets at least.Pulpstar said:
2016 US Presidential Election / Turnout / 58.00 - 61.99 percentSandpit said:
Wow, only 60 days after the election, pleased I wasn't on that one!Pulpstar said:Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !
What was the turnout in the end?
Turns out @JackW ARSE did get one right
And H Clinton PV I guess !0 -
@SkyNewsBreak: Report into Russian election hack concludes Vladimir Putin ordered campaign aspiring to help Donald Trump's chances in U.S. election0
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817413321058029568
Someone is going to end up in serious shit for that I think.0 -
What happened?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817413321058029568
Someone is going to end up in serious shit for that I think.0 -
The DNC ordered a similar such campaign....Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: Report into Russian election hack concludes Vladimir Putin ordered campaign aspiring to help Donald Trump's chances in U.S. election
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Let's hope it is, but in a land where most people seem to be armed routinely, how can anyone tell an attacker from a defender?SeanT said:
Indeed. The Fire and Rescue were completely convinced there was a second shooter. Said it emphatically, "multiple eye-witnesses". Yet complete bollocks, it seems...?rpjs said:
No, watching the authorities' press conference. I really wouldn't get too excited about the live feed - fog of war and all that.SeanT said:
Have you got the live feed?rpjs said:Sheriff: No confirmation of any shooting other than at baggage area. No one else in custody.
They're freaking out. Again it's probably just panic.
Someone just said "we have people barricaded in a room with guns"....
Good evening, everyone.0 -
Rather bruised ego, I think, given his cocksure and strident pronouncements on Trump and the electoral college.SeanT said:
Has anyone seen JackW? Hope the old boy is OK.Pulpstar said:
Jack's always had an excellent record on turnout, even if the band didn't look like being the winner earlier we should always remember how slowly the coasts count.Sandpit said:
Hope the wait was worth the payout. Glad to see Jack's ARSE did come up with a couple of winners in the secondary markets at least.Pulpstar said:
2016 US Presidential Election / Turnout / 58.00 - 61.99 percentSandpit said:
Wow, only 60 days after the election, pleased I wasn't on that one!Pulpstar said:Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !
What was the turnout in the end?
Turns out @JackW ARSE did get one right
And H Clinton PV I guess !
Not that he was alone.0 -
Ofcourse they saw it first, he's been turning them away.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817413321058029568
Someone is going to end up in serious shit for that I think.0 -
says Corporal SeanT Jones...SeanT said:
Best guess: this isn't Islamic, it's a lone and random sad nutter, with a grudge against Trump/America/the world.Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.
And a lesson in how panic spreads.0 -
Not sure that excuses it!nunu said:
Ofcourse they saw it first, he's been turning them away.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817413321058029568
Someone is going to end up in serious shit for that I think.0 -
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russia-hack-report.html
Not a bad story for our intelligence services.0 -
Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.0
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Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
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Amazing - the Gunman in Fort Lauderdale boarded the aircraft in Alaska and had a checked gun in his baggage, he went into the toilets in baggage reclaim, and opened fire
That is seriously mad and unbelievable0 -
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the primary debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
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The PB Thread when BJO was live posting from a Tunisian hotel during the massacre was really quite the most bizarre bit of globalisation that I have encountered.SeanT said:
Yes. Though you should have heard the livefeed. Better than any TV. Utterly compelling.foxinsoxuk said:
says Corporal SeanT Jones...SeanT said:
Best guess: this isn't Islamic, it's a lone and random sad nutter, with a grudge against Trump/America/the world.Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.
And a lesson in how panic spreads.0 -
Yeah that's where the whole story fails, before the election the Democrats dismissed the DNC email leaks as irrelevant tittle-tattle, and afterwards they now seem them as a smoking gun for a plot that cost them the Whitehouse. You can't have it both ways, it either mattered or not, it didn't start to matter only after Trump won.RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Besides that I don't think that the DNC link, or Clinton's email server, had much salience. I think that things like failing to campaign in key states, and calling Republicans "deplorables", and Clinton's already tarnished reputation might have swung it.0 -
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few were swayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.0 -
A friend just offered me a seat on his plane from SF to Teleride for a cheeky long weekend in the mountains. Had to decline as I have a breakfast meeting on Fridayrcs1000 said:
To be honest, all commercial airlines are shit. If you have to travel, it's best to just charter.rpjs said:
And a couple of decent ones, like JetBlue and Virgin America. And it's not like BA is anything to write home about these days.SeanT said:
I stand corrected.matt said:
LAX I recall. Which is probably the 9th circle of hell at the best of times.SeanT said:
Yes, JFK I think.Sandpit said:
Wasn't there a mass panic at a US airport a couple of months ago, the descriptions of which were quite horrifying? Doesn't take much to cause a lot of deaths and injuries.SeanT said:
FWIW an airport is a very ISIS-y target. Spreads terror around travelling. More impact than some casual drive-by in the street.RobD said:
Sounds like it's in the baggage claim, which is landside.Sandpit said:
One dead, nine injuries, suspect in custody is the latest report. Fingers crossed that's all it is.SeanT said:@NBCNightlyNews 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Multiple people dead after shooting at Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood airport, federal officials tell @NBCNightlyNews - @PeteWilliamsNBC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/06/shots-fired-fort-lauderdale-airport-live/
On the other hand the shooter is apparently alive and in custody (how the hell do you manage that against armed US cops??), which is not very ISIS-y at all.
Yes, LAX is truly horrible.
America has really shite airports. And rubbish airlines.
I agree that most American airports are a s**tshow, and the way that domestic baggage reclaim is open to anyone who wants to walk off the street was probably the reason it was targetted in this incident.
(True story time. I was at a party, and there was a loud, drunk and obnoxious person there. She said "My husband and I went to India for Christmas, and - of course - we flew First Class." I couldn't hold myself back. I looked her in the eye and said, in a voice of utter incredulity "You fly commercial???")
((I don't really charter planes.))0 -
I thought the entire collection of emails was leaked? A few may have appeared more prominently than others (the Sanders bashing ones, for instance).foxinsoxuk said:
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few werecswayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.0 -
The bottom line is that Hillary Clinton lost because she was Hillary Clinton. Her misuse of e mails was common knowledge and I doubt many were influenced by the hackingfoxinsoxuk said:
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few were swayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Democrats need to accept they lost because of their candidate as almost any other Democrat would have won relatively easily0 -
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They weren't edited. That allegation came from a news report that misattributed some content in one of them but nobody has ever question the authenticity of the emails as published by wikileaks.foxinsoxuk said:
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few were swayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.0 -
The state of emergency is now in effect -they said the rain would start at 2pm and it did. Temperature are dropping and will reach freezing in an hour or so, so it will switch to sleet and freezing rain before turning to snow overnight. We're expecting about 4 inches.
Local TV stations have suspended regular programming and have wall to wall weather coverage. They have correspondents all over the ATL metro, for example WSB "Severe Storm Team 2" and Action News folks are breathlessly reporting every flurry and sleet report, and traffic jams. HD Radar, interactive traffic flow maps - you name it they have it.
The Weather Channel, a nationwide channel has reporters all over Atlanta, and shows all the various models showing projected snowfall etc. (The Weather Channel studios are in Atlanta).
One has to wonder how viewers in Fargo, Bismarck or International Falls view this saturation coverage of a 4 inch snow storm, (which will shut the place down for 2 to 3 days) compared to what they regularly get. I suspect either a wry smile or just outright contempt for southern wusses.
It is almost mesmeric to watch though - an enjoyable slow motion train wreck0 -
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.0 -
They were all leaked then spammed everywhere by Plato's alt.right twitter mates.RobD said:
I thought the entire collection of emails was leaked? A few may have appeared more prominently than others (the Sanders bashing ones, for instance).foxinsoxuk said:
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few werecswayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.
No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.0 -
So the PM has to make policy for and on behalf of wealthy business donors.Scott_P said:
I do not think she will be impressed by donor blackmail0 -
So they weren't selectively leaked? I can understand some featuring more prominently in the news though.foxinsoxuk said:
They were all leaked then spammed everywhere by Plato's alt.right twitter mates.RobD said:
I thought the entire collection of emails was leaked? A few may have appeared more prominently than others (the Sanders bashing ones, for instance).foxinsoxuk said:
I understand that some were edited, and certainly they were selectively leaked in a manner designed to embarrass the Democrats and distract their campaign.RobD said:
I can't even remember one salacious bit of info from the DNC emails, apart from perhaps Clinton being given the debate questions before hand. Still, assuming the emails were genuine (a somewhat big if), it means in the end they were influenced by the truth?foxinsoxuk said:
Weren't the hacks spread all over the media over the summer and endlessly discussed in the media while the American public were deciding how to vote. Just a guess...RobD said:Although I am still not clear how the hacking was supposed to have influenced the election.
Maybe only a few werecswayed, but now Trump is Putin's bitch.
No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.
Has it actually been shown he asked them to do this for him? if not, I don't see how this makes anyone anyones bitch.
If they were so blatant about it, why did it take so long for the CIA/FBI to do anything about it, perhaps before the actual election took place?0 -
Haven't seen anything in the obits.SeanT said:
Has anyone seen JackW? Hope the old boy is OK.Pulpstar said:
Jack's always had an excellent record on turnout, even if the band didn't look like being the winner earlier we should always remember how slowly the coasts count.Sandpit said:
Hope the wait was worth the payout. Glad to see Jack's ARSE did come up with a couple of winners in the secondary markets at least.Pulpstar said:
2016 US Presidential Election / Turnout / 58.00 - 61.99 percentSandpit said:
Wow, only 60 days after the election, pleased I wasn't on that one!Pulpstar said:Betfair have FINALLY paid out on US POTUS turnout btw.
Took them a while !
What was the turnout in the end?
Turns out @JackW ARSE did get one right
And H Clinton PV I guess !0 -
He was live posting, and PBers were posting both advice and news updates on the security search.SeanT said:
He did?? Respect to Mr Owls.foxinsoxuk said:
The PB Thread when BJO was live posting from a Tunisian hotel during the massacre was really quite the most bizarre bit of globalisation that I have encountered.SeanT said:
Yes. Though you should have heard the livefeed. Better than any TV. Utterly compelling.foxinsoxuk said:
says Corporal SeanT Jones...SeanT said:
Best guess: this isn't Islamic, it's a lone and random sad nutter, with a grudge against Trump/America/the world.Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.
And a lesson in how panic spreads.
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No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
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That kind of evidence free alluding to interference is exactly the sort of thing the Russians say about Ukraine.foxinsoxuk said:No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.
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And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
Probably because the CIA do just the same in Russia and other countries. They're just miffed that they have possibly been outplayed at their own game. The denouement will probably be some kind of agreement that both sides will tell the troll farms to stand down.RobD said:If they were so blatant about it, why did it take so long for the CIA/FBI to do anything about it, perhaps before the actual election took place?
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With respect that is just silly - we want a PM with integrity not one bought off by big businessTheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
He could go to UKIPSeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Oh wait0 -
He doesn't have to go anywhere. He just stops funding something he dislikes. Makes sense.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.0 -
Well lets hope that the CIA report is made public so that the investigations can all be aired and the voters can judge for themselves.glw said:
That kind of evidence free alluding to interference is exactly the sort of thing the Russians say about Ukraine.foxinsoxuk said:No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.0 -
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
Tory voters back hard Brexit over soft Brexit by a 13% margin, May is more likely to lose her majority if she fails to control free movement and sees mass defections to UKIP than if she fails to appease 1 donor by not keeping full access to the single marketTheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/810116884850941953?ref_src=twsrc^tfw0 -
Not saying it hasn't happened, just saying it's probably not the best look!TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
I know he has his critics, but Andrew Feldman was phenomenal in raising funds for the Tories whilst Dave was in charge, Mrs May will struggle to replace him.0
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This one will not change policy to suit her donorsTheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
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I think a censored version will be made public soon.foxinsoxuk said:
Well lets hope that the CIA report is made public so that the investigations can all be aired and the voters can judge for themselves.glw said:
That kind of evidence free alluding to interference is exactly the sort of thing the Russians say about Ukraine.foxinsoxuk said:No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.0 -
Strange things do happen. Cameron couldn't get a majority vs Brown after the worst financial crash in living memoryPulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
It is very *courageous* of Mrs May to put all her faith in Corbyn still being there.Pulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
Something about hubris and nemesis spring to mind0 -
This is the threadSeanT said:
Crikey.foxinsoxuk said:
He was live posting, and PBers were posting both advice and news updates on the security search.SeanT said:
He did?? Respect to Mr Owls.foxinsoxuk said:
The PB Thread when BJO was live posting from a Tunisian hotel during the massacre was really quite the most bizarre bit of globalisation that I have encountered.SeanT said:
Yes. Though you should have heard the livefeed. Better than any TV. Utterly compelling.foxinsoxuk said:
says Corporal SeanT Jones...SeanT said:
Best guess: this isn't Islamic, it's a lone and random sad nutter, with a grudge against Trump/America/the world.Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.
And a lesson in how panic spreads.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/26/don-brind-says-labour-hopefuls-know-their-partys-future-isnt-in-their-hands/0 -
They leaked transcripts of State Department officials obviously trying to fix the new government in Ukraine before the events that led to Yanukovych fleeing. That's not evidence free.glw said:
That kind of evidence free alluding to interference is exactly the sort of thing the Russians say about Ukraine.foxinsoxuk said:No two ways about it. Trump is Putin's bitch.
The Russians were blatent about it, so imagine what they were doing behind the scenes, and what they hacked from the Republicans.
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The importance of money in elections is overrated, Trump beat Hillary despite spending significantly less than she did. Given a choice between losing some money and losing your base you choose the former0
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If that is the scenario, May will be changing her mind even more quickly.SeanT said:
But if by unfunding them he actually risks a Corbyn government? Then he will change his mind swiftly.Jonathan said:
He doesn't have to go anywhere. He just stops funding something he dislikes. Makes sense.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.0 -
Do you seriously think her policy on Brexit takes into account Corbyn leading or not leading the labour partyTheScreamingEagles said:
It is very *courageous* of Mrs May to put all her faith in Corbyn still being there.Pulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
Something about hubris and nemesis spring to mind0 -
Alot of people always vote for the incumbent government despite what they tell pollsters. Makes the runes look even worse for Corbyn if anything.isam said:
Strange things do happen. Cameron couldn't get a majority vs Brown after the worst financial crash in living memoryPulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
They haven't been outplayed, the DNC had terrible security, much like Clinton's email server. If anything that's part of the problem in identifying the culprit, it wasn't the technical means that shows it was the Russians, it is more likely intelligence that the NSA has about where the attack came from that shows that. The IC doesn't want to disclose such sources of intelligence to the public, so instead we end up with all this secret briefing and alluding to things we can't be told.williamglenn said:Probably because the CIA do just the same in Russia and other countries. They're just miffed that they have possibly been outplayed at their own game. The denouement will probably be some kind of agreement that both sides will tell the troll farms to stand down.
More generally though it is an almost certainty that the Americans do the same to the Russians. There was a story in 2013 that the Kremlin has started using mechanical typewriters for its most important communications, which makes sense when you consider where most computer hardware is designed and manufactured, and most of the software is written. i.e. Not in Russia.0 -
He was glad to get home from that holiday.SeanT said:
Crikey.foxinsoxuk said:
He was live posting, and PBers were posting both advice and news updates on the security search.SeanT said:
He did?? Respect to Mr Owls.foxinsoxuk said:
The PB Thread when BJO was live posting from a Tunisian hotel during the massacre was really quite the most bizarre bit of globalisation that I have encountered.SeanT said:
Yes. Though you should have heard the livefeed. Better than any TV. Utterly compelling.foxinsoxuk said:
says Corporal SeanT Jones...SeanT said:
Best guess: this isn't Islamic, it's a lone and random sad nutter, with a grudge against Trump/America/the world.Ishmael_Z said:"Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
In other words, this is a rather entry-level example of what was a more frequent than daily occurrence in 2015. If it weren't at an international airport we would not have heard of it.
It is a constant mystery to me that the richest country in history tolerates third-world levels of risk of being shot to death, and of dying of disease because medical care is unaffordable.
And a lesson in how panic spreads.0 -
I'll bet against Don Brind's fantasies all day long and twice on sundays.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is very *courageous* of Mrs May to put all her faith in Corbyn still being there.Pulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
Something about hubris and nemesis spring to mind0 -
A Corbyn victory is more likely through mass Tory defections to UKIP under FPTP and a split right through soft Brexit than through the loss of 1 donorJonathan said:
If that is the scenario, May will be changing her mind even more quickly.SeanT said:
But if by unfunding them he actually risks a Corbyn government? Then he will change his mind swiftly.Jonathan said:
He doesn't have to go anywhere. He just stops funding something he dislikes. Makes sense.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.0 -
It's all about pressure, to use my favourite expression, it's like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.SeanT said:
Leaving the Single Market may dent this guy's business. Corbyn would turn the UK into Venezuela. I suspect he will cough up if Labour rise in the polls.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.0 -
Rich donors do have influence, parties say they don't but it is ridiculous to say donors don't lobby their views. Whether a PM or LOTO takes on board somebodies views is another question, I should imagine some donors have quite dotty opinions on some subjects.RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
In regard to this particular donor, if leaving the single market ruins his business why would you donate to a party that makes your life more difficult? A similar process goes on once a party gains power as the new government makes decisions that gradually make some people's lives who voted them in more difficult. I voted Tory in 2015 but will not vote for them in 2020 or whenever the next GE is called. I don't blame the former donor for withdrawing his funding, if it means a hung parliament and Brexit has not been executed he gets what he wants.....
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Your boyo that did the shooting at the airport in Ft Lauderdale had taken an interest in Jihadi stuff in the past. How deep is unclear.0
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Well, yes. Having no opposition gives her more freedom of movement (if you'll pardon the expression). Obviously.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you seriously think her policy on Brexit takes into account Corbyn leading or not leading the labour partyTheScreamingEagles said:
It is very *courageous* of Mrs May to put all her faith in Corbyn still being there.Pulpstar said:
May has Carte Blanche, all the models point to overwhelming wins at the next GE right now. If Labour didn't have Corbyn it might be different, but they do. So it isn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean Prime Ministers have never based/changed policy on what donors wish it to be?RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
Something about hubris and nemesis spring to mind0 -
Yeah, easy on the bold @The_Taxman0
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The_Taxman said:
Rich donors do have influence, parties say they don't but it is ridiculous to say donors don't lobby their views. Whether a PM or LOTO takes on board somebodies views is another question, I should imagine some donors have quite dotty opinions on some subjects.RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
In regard to this particular donor, if leaving the single market ruins his business why would you donate to a party that makes your life more difficult? A similar process goes on once a party gains power as the new government makes decisions that gradually make some people's lives who voted them in more difficult. I voted Tory in 2015 but will not vote for them in 2020 or whenever the next GE is called. I don't blame the former donor for withdrawing his funding, if it means a hung parliament and Brexit has not been executed he gets what he wants.....
And if it means that A50 has been triggered, May loses and Corbyn gets in, and turns Britain into a nightmare state, separated from the EU, what does he get then?
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Hm. May is (as ever) stuck between a rock and a hard place. More of her party want Hard Brexit than Soft, but that means pursuing a policy supported by only one third of voters. So pursuing HB will stop some Tories voting Ukip, but risks leaking more support to the LibDems.HYUFD said:
Tory voters back hard Brexit over soft Brexit by a 13% margin, May is more likely to lose her majority if she fails to control free movement and sees mass defections to UKIP than if she fails to appease I donor by keeping full access to the single marketTheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/810116884850941953?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The irony of her "Brexit means Brexit" line is that it's a lot truer for the EU than it is for her. Leaving the EU means leaving the single market and ending free movement. The idea that she "is preparing to give an ultimatum to the European Union that the UK will quit the single market unless it is allowed to opt out of free movement rules" ( https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/82099/theresa-may-prioritise ) is risible.
The EU will do a Norway-style (Soft Brexit) deal with the UK if the UK is willing to accept the EU's terms, no more, no less.0 -
Trump is going to be a terrible POTUS, he has an extreme agenda which he has gently recanted on to get past the blocks that impede him getting power. He then reiterates his original view once any threat to him succeeding Obama recedes. Basically him taking office may mean we will all die sooner rather than later, he is a dangerous extremist. I noticed Corbyn, who is dangerous due to him being the other extreme have similar strategies that indicate he is not as bad as you think, only for him later to reiterate his original opinion. All extreme politicians go through this process. Frankly those who do not see Trump for the dangerous maniac he is want to hope the UK is not dragged into another war that he accidentally starts.TheScreamingEagles said:A former President of Mexico tweets...
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So he leaves the Tories and gives a bit of money to the LDs, so what. Far more damaging to May would be a dripping wet, soft Brexit with no new migration controls at all, continued payments to the EU and continued ECJ jurisdiction over the UK and a result something like Labour 27% UKIP 26% Tory 24%, Corbyn PM in deal with SNPThe_Taxman said:
Rich donors do have influence, parties say they don't but it is ridiculous to say donors don't lobby their views. Whether a PM or LOTO takes on board somebodies views is another question, I should imagine some donors have quite dotty opinions on some subjects.RobD said:
And how good would it look if she changed her policy based on what a few rich donors wanted?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, it forces pressure on Mrs May, Labour via the Unions are well funded, does Mrs May really want to go down in history as the Tory leader that didn't win a majority against Corbyn.SeanT said:
What's he gonna do, stop funding the Tories so Corbyn's Labour has a better chance of winning?TheScreamingEagles said:
*Buffs Nails*Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/817482097350811648
I posted exactly that after the Tory conference and a few PBers pooh-poohed it.
See my sources were right, Brexit has the potential to lead to a donors' strike it.
Exactly. He has nowhere to go.
Why give you money to someone who ruins your business.
In regard to this particular donor, if leaving the single market ruins his business why would you donate to a party that makes your life more difficult? A similar process goes on once a party gains power as the new government makes decisions that gradually make some people's lives who voted them in more difficult. I voted Tory in 2015 but will not vote for them in 2020 or whenever the next GE is called. I don't blame the former donor for withdrawing his funding, if it means a hung parliament and Brexit has not been executed he gets what he wants.....0 -
The other issue for Mrs May re donors is quite a few of them will also want sweetheart deals/assurances like Nissan obtained from the Government.0
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When the British political class as a whole is left with this stark choice, they will fold.Dadge said:The EU will do a Norway-style (Soft Brexit) deal with the UK if the UK is willing to accept the EU's terms, no more, no less.
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