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December 21st 2016 Cranleigh West (Con defence) on Waverley Result of council at last election (2015): Conservatives 53, Farnham Residents 3, Independent 1 (Conservative majority of 49) Result of ward at last election (2015): Emboldened denotes elected Conservatives 1,269, 1,155 (56%) Liberal Democrats 685, 515 (30%) Labour 321, 192 (14%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 44,341 (58%) LEAVE 31,601 (42%) on a turnout of 82% Candidates duly nominated: Richard Cole (Lib Dem), Rosaleen Egan (UKIP), Liz Townsend (Con) Result: Conservative 377 (59% +3%), Liberal Democrat 187 (29% -1%), United Kingdom Independence Party 78 (12%, no candidate in 2015) Conservative HOLD with a majority of 190 (30%) on a swing of 2% from Liberal Democrat to Conservative
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1st by gum0
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Aylesham doesn't seem to offer much in the way of candidates. That's two in a row with just two candidates.0
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FPT I don't really give a stuff what anyone calls me. It's striking how quite a few Leavers can dish it out but cry foul at anything that challenges their worldview.0
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We shall miss you until the new year, council by-elections.
Something about the ward name Hedge End immediately made me think it was a LD seat. Of course, Eastleigh seems to be among the most LD friendly areas of the country. Isn't a majority of 32 low for that council?
Re name calling, a lot of people claim to be happy to take it and so are free to dish it out, but from what I can see, rarely justify such a claim regarding the former and demonstrate incredible sensitivity to even minor criticism. Easier to admit most people don't like taking it, so just don't dish it out.0 -
60 inmates have taken control of a wing at a prison on the Isle of Sheppey.0
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As ever, thanks Harry.0
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What is the Leave version of Remoaner? Is there one (using a play on the word leave I mean)?0
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FPT:
@Mortimer
So you don't have anything to say to any of my points? Only that your experience of other views reigns supreme? What a shame.
Re you're last point: well that is based on your assumption that Labour Party and Momentum represent all of the British Left. I'd have thought that being on this site, and seeing many on the left be critical of Corbyn and Mometum, alongside criticism of Corbyn from other parts of the left in the media - such as The New Statesmen - would have showed you otherwise.0 -
Just checked and Copeland did indeed register the lowest Alliance share of the vote in England in 1987 with 9.1%, and the 10th lowest in the UK:
Copeland: 9.1%
Blaenau Gwent: 8.9%
Rhondda: 8.2%
Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney: 8.1%
Motherwell North: 8.0%
Glasgow Springburn: 7.9%
Angus East: 7.8%
Glasgow Provan: 7.2%
Ynys Mon: 6.7%
Dundee East: 4.6%0 -
FTP: Mike said:
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
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One of this weeks 3 UKIP councillors leaving the sinking ship will see an interesting 4 way battle early next year in Aylesbury DC Elmhurst ward
Result in 2015 2 seats
LD 729/652
UKIP 666/567
Lab 632/516
Con 604/496
Green 220/1310 -
Incredible to think there was just a single lost deposit.AndyJS said:Just checked and Copeland did indeed register the lowest Alliance share of the vote in England in 1987 with 9.1%, and the 10th lowest in the UK:
Copeland: 9.1%
Blaenau Gwent: 8.9%
Rhondda: 8.2%
Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney: 8.1%
Motherwell North: 8.0%
Glasgow Springburn: 7.9%
Angus East: 7.8%
Glasgow Provan: 7.2%
Ynys Mon: 6.7%
Dundee East: 4.6%0 -
This one may provide a preview for Copeland, it's an ex-mining town like Whitehaven.AlastairMeeks said:Aylesham doesn't seem to offer much in the way of candidates. That's two in a row with just two candidates.
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Another good piece on the US election:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/22/clinton_loss_shows_the_importance_of_being_there_132627.html
This number surprised me - 85,000 voters in Michigan alone voted for bottom of the ticket candidates but not for any of the Presidential candidates. That is an awful lot of people who bothered to vote, who could not bring themselves to select any of the presidential candidates.0 -
In this weeks Whitehaven News the Reed resignation is the lead but looks to have come after the initial print deadline. It's very editorially independent but is noticibly neutral in it's lead merely reporting the facts.
The West Cumbria edition of the daily News and Star runs a proper front page on it but carries the Reed spin uncritically. He is " heartbroken " and it is " the worst day of his life. " An odd description of freely choosing to take a better paid job. The News and Star knows what proportion of local and buying comes from Big Nuclear so the puff piece on the MAP for Sellafield leaving to work for Sellafield is no surprise.
Whether electors buy their MP sodding off for more cash as " the worst day of my life " remains to be seen.
The timeline is explained as well. He starts his new job on 1/2/17 so the end of January resignation preserves his salary and allows a brief period where he can campaign as the incumbent alongside the new candidate.
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On tonight's Border TV News the Labour representative on the By-election package was Cllr Tim Knowles who's the Chair of the Cumbria CC Labour Group. He would tick a number for boxes as a candidate. He's a shill for Sellafield, he's a bit dim so wouldn't challenge Sue Hayman for the new seat in 2020, he's part of the local labour establishment but crucially a county not a borough councillor. So he's detached from the local meltdown that led to the Mayoral referendum then loss.
The give away for me was he was wearing a clearly new and illfitting suit and red tie which had clearly been bought in haste.0 -
Andrew Marr has attempted to answer Alastair's question:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit0 -
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.Beverley_C said:FTP: Mike said:
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
Bit like when you changed your EUref vote because you didn't like Nige. Sensitive bordering on unhinged.0 -
Happy Christmas to all posters, lurkers, thread writers and OGH.0
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@YellowSubmarine Your comments, observations and reports are really appreciated. Thanks YS and keep it up.0
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As a free-marketeer, I find the idea of 'industry bodies' given 20,000 visas here and there to be a genuinely frightening idea.Casino_Royale said:Andrew Marr has attempted to answer Alastair's question:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit0 -
Just been reading an article on Labour-Uncut about this. Seems inclined to take it at its face value, and it sounds reasonable enough to me.YellowSubmarine said:In this weeks Whitehaven News the Reed resignation is the lead but looks to have come after the initial print deadline. It's very editorially independent but is noticibly neutral in it's lead merely reporting the facts.
The West Cumbria edition of the daily News and Star runs a proper front page on it but carries the Reed spin uncritically. He is " heartbroken " and it is " the worst day of his life. " An odd description of freely choosing to take a better paid job. The News and Star knows what proportion of local and buying comes from Big Nuclear so the puff piece on the MAP for Sellafield leaving to work for Sellafield is no surprise.
Whether electors buy their MP sodding off for more cash as " the worst day of my life " remains to be seen.
The timeline is explained as well. He starts his new job on 1/2/17 so the end of January resignation preserves his salary and allows a brief period where he can campaign as the incumbent alongside the new candidate.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2016/12/21/its-christmas-and-family-comes-first-even-for-mps/
(May have already been linked)
Good evening, everyone.0 -
@YellowSubmarine - are you local to Whitehaven?0
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@OGH and Yellow Submarine
For poster of the year I think I tipped AndyJS and Pong...this is a political site after all.
For the person who best embodies all those things I love and admire about humanity....then Yellow Submarine. Joff and Roger.....deserve a mention.
In my Xmas bonhomie, I am still in no mood for Brexit and Trump wankers mind...... I have absolutely no time in my life for such horrible nihilism....0 -
There you go @RobD, the counter to "Remoaners" is "Wankers"tyson said:@OGH and Yellow Submarine
For poster of the year I think I tipped AndyJS and Pong...this is a political site after all.
For the person who best embodies all those things I love and admire about humanity....then Yellow Submarine. Joff and Roger.....deserve a mention.
In my Xmas bonhomie, I am still in no mood for Brexit and Trump wankers mind...... I have absolutely no time in my life for such horrible nihilism....0 -
For poster of the year, I nominate rcs1000. He's insightful, interesting, intelligent, well mannered, and will only ban those posters who don't immediately agree with this post.0
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That is sad. I only use that expression for Bankers.isam said:
There you go @RobD, the counter to "Remoaners" is "Wankers"tyson said:@OGH and Yellow Submarine
For poster of the year I think I tipped AndyJS and Pong...this is a political site after all.
For the person who best embodies all those things I love and admire about humanity....then Yellow Submarine. Joff and Roger.....deserve a mention.
In my Xmas bonhomie, I am still in no mood for Brexit and Trump wankers mind...... I have absolutely no time in my life for such horrible nihilism....0 -
@Isam
Wankers is really the very best thing I could say about you and your ilk....if I could say what I felt then I doubt very much I would be allowed here.
Brexit, Trump, Grillo, Le Pen, Wilders... and your nihilistic followers....you have made the civilised world that much less civilised. Well done. 2016 is a good year for the dark side.0 -
Alistair I think youre yummyAlastairMeeks said:FPT I don't really give a stuff what anyone calls me. It's striking how quite a few Leavers can dish it out but cry foul at anything that challenges their worldview.
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I'm relatively relaxed about it.rcs1000 said:
As a free-marketeer, I find the idea of 'industry bodies' given 20,000 visas here and there to be a genuinely frightening idea.Casino_Royale said:Andrew Marr has attempted to answer Alastair's question:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit0 -
Of course I am. But I'm already taken.Alanbrooke said:
Alistair I think youre yummyAlastairMeeks said:FPT I don't really give a stuff what anyone calls me. It's striking how quite a few Leavers can dish it out but cry foul at anything that challenges their worldview.
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I reckon you'd get away with ittyson said:@Isam
Wankers is really the very best thing I could say about you and your ilk....if I could say what I felt then I doubt very much I would be allowed here.
Brexit, Trump, Grillo, Le Pen, Wilders... and your nihilistic followers....you have made the civilised world that much less civilised. Well done. 2016 is a good year for the dark side.
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Merry Christmas to you too.tyson said:@OGH and Yellow Submarine
For poster of the year I think I tipped AndyJS and Pong...this is a political site after all.
For the person who best embodies all those things I love and admire about humanity....then Yellow Submarine. Joff and Roger.....deserve a mention.
In my Xmas bonhomie, I am still in no mood for Brexit and Trump wankers mind...... I have absolutely no time in my life for such horrible nihilism....0 -
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.Beverley_C said:FTP: Mike said:
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
youre on catch up Beverley
Ive had one for 20 years and have fitted all the kids out with one, it's proved surprisingly useful over the years
Failte :-)0 -
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.Beverley_C said:FTP: Mike said:
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
I can assure you, you are not the only one !0 -
rcs1000 said:
For poster of the year, I nominate rcs1000. He's insightful, interesting, intelligent, well mannered, and will only ban those posters who don't immediately agree with this post.
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I can assure you, you are not the only one !surbiton said:
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.Beverley_C said:FTP: Mike said:
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
why Surby I didnt know you were an Ulster Prod, but now you say it you have a touch of the Paisleys about you.0 -
It basically means that big companies get visas for bringing people in to the country, while smaller companies get shut out. It's corporatism.Casino_Royale said:
I'm relatively relaxed about it.rcs1000 said:
As a free-marketeer, I find the idea of 'industry bodies' given 20,000 visas here and there to be a genuinely frightening idea.Casino_Royale said:Andrew Marr has attempted to answer Alastair's question:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit0 -
Hugo!!!!!
Happy Christmas on that bombshell....
Easiest trivia question ever... what is Ronaldo's son called.... clue = it's suggestive of ego0 -
NigelB
"I prefer Leavite"
They begat the Philistines.....0 -
What the fuck has Stanstead done to domestic arrivals? reduced to a corridor at the arse end of no where and you have to go outside to get into the main building.0
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Real philistines spell it with an f.0
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I'm currently in Stansted departures waiting on a delayed flight. I feel your pain.Alistair said:What the fuck has Stanstead done to domestic arrivals? reduced to a corridor at the arse end of no where and you have to go outside to get into the main building.
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@Mortimer....I bet you don't tell many of your Oxford chums about your affection for Trump and Brexit
@SeanFear....I always viewed you as an odd and rather endearing residue of the anachronistic right. Now you are in power...I bet even you are worried, because you never really expected it.
As said Happy Xmas to all...except Brexit, Corbynistas, badger cullers, climate change deniers, Trump, Grillo, Le Pen, Wilders....I hope your turkey is burnt to a crisp, and something worse happens to you all.....0 -
Halo Fizz?AlastairMeeks said:
I'm currently in Stansted departures waiting on a delayed flight. I feel your pain.Alistair said:What the fuck has Stanstead done to domestic arrivals? reduced to a corridor at the arse end of no where and you have to go outside to get into the main building.
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Is it impossible for both sides to accept that the vast majority of voters felt they were being asked a difficult question which they never asked to be asked, but which they felt duty bound to answer to the best of their ability in the way which was best for the country?
Silly question, of course. But assuming good faith in one's opponents saves a lot of stress and bad temper, and is perhaps something we could experiment with for a week or two now that it is that Goodwill-to-all-men time of the year..
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I was bored so I wrote a blogSeanT said:Look at this. Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/812043916098801666
If you like clumsy metaphors, and transparent allegories, fill your boots
http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/0 -
@Ismael Z
Assuming good faith in one's opponents....is that how you expected the Jews to feel as they were led to the gas chambers.?
I really despise beyond anything the gloating Brexit and Trumpers for saying such nonsense. You won.
The tyranny of the majority........it has won, and we all will suffer....
So please, please, do not look for any kind of rapprochement from people like me. I hate you all the more for asking for it.....0 -
A typically understated and measured contribution, tyson, marred only by wrong end of the stickery: I voted remain.
season's greetings.0 -
Flight was delayed an hour and 15 as well. You have my full sympathies.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm currently in Stansted departures waiting on a delayed flight. I feel your pain.Alistair said:What the fuck has Stanstead done to domestic arrivals? reduced to a corridor at the arse end of no where and you have to go outside to get into the main building.
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Conspiracy or cock-up in Germany...they have form for both said the man known locally as David.0
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World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-107038770 -
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-107038770 -
I say both.FrancisUrquhart said:Conspiracy or cock-up in Germany...they have form for both said the man known locally as David.
The German Government probably tried to do a conspiracy to cover it up but they failed.0 -
I still don't see how that will get state aid approval.rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-107038770 -
MeekerySeanT said:Talking of neologisms, is there a word for the regret that follows ridiculous indulgence and pointless luxury?
Because I'm feeling it over that £1000 lunch-for-two at the Savoy.
Obscene vulgarity. Could have fed a village for a year on that money.
I am actually feeling slightly ashamed.0 -
It suggests that the mentality of the German authorities hasn't changed since last New Year's Eve.SeanT said:Look at this. Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/812043916098801666
It also aligns with your anecdote of a mate's anecdote of the German media.
Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders.
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I think 2016 was a weird year but so far so good (fingers crossed).tyson said:@Isam
Wankers is really the very best thing I could say about you and your ilk....if I could say what I felt then I doubt very much I would be allowed here.
Brexit, Trump, Grillo, Le Pen, Wilders... and your nihilistic followers....you have made the civilised world that much less civilised. Well done. 2016 is a good year for the dark side.
There was much less bullsh!t this year than in the past 30 years, people are more direct and to the point (like you are for instance), which is progress for the civilized world.0 -
And then only because they were squeezed in an SNP-Lab marginal.rcs1000 said:
Incredible to think there was just a single lost deposit.AndyJS said:Just checked and Copeland did indeed register the lowest Alliance share of the vote in England in 1987 with 9.1%, and the 10th lowest in the UK:
Copeland: 9.1%
Blaenau Gwent: 8.9%
Rhondda: 8.2%
Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney: 8.1%
Motherwell North: 8.0%
Glasgow Springburn: 7.9%
Angus East: 7.8%
Glasgow Provan: 7.2%
Ynys Mon: 6.7%
Dundee East: 4.6%
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Spiegel reported that German intelligence had intercepted a call between the perpetrator and a known Islamist where he offered to carry out a terrorist attack for them. Over here that would be 7-10 years for intent. In Germany it seems as if they didn't act because arresting one of Mrs Merkel's migrants is too embarrassing for the government.SeanT said:
There are too many oddities and non sequiturs surrounding this case. It took them a whole day to find the terrorist's ID in the cabin of the truck? Really? And this is because they had to wait for the sniffer dogs to go in first?Speedy said:
I say both.FrancisUrquhart said:Conspiracy or cock-up in Germany...they have form for both said the man known locally as David.
The German Government probably tried to do a conspiracy to cover it up but they failed.
Pff. I don't believe it.0 -
#couldhaveboughtafifthofaHuntsmanforthatSeanT said:Talking of neologisms, is there a word for the regret that follows ridiculous indulgence and pointless luxury?
Because I'm feeling it over that £1000 lunch-for-two at the Savoy.
Obscene vulgarity. Could have fed a village for a year on that money.
I am actually feeling slightly ashamed.0 -
Prisoner Officers have rejected their Unions recommendation of a new deal with the government including allowing them to retire at 65 rather than 68.
This is the thin edge of the wedge as Unions will now push for reduction in retirement age across the public sector at enormous cost and inequality0 -
"Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders."another_richard said:
It suggests that the mentality of the German authorities hasn't changed since last New Year's Eve.SeanT said:Look at this. Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/812043916098801666
It also aligns with your anecdote of a mate's anecdote of the German media.
Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders.
That is why they always vote for the person who orders them around already, same as Japan, which results in a very sclerotic and antiquated approach to things.
"I order you to Vote for me"
"As you wish Master, ect "
Germans have voted for a change of government only 3 times in 57 years.
The roof has to fall in and then some for the germans to vote for change.0 -
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Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
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They probably did find it pretty quickly, but didn't want to publish it for political reasons because it would embarrass their Dear Leader in an election season.SeanT said:
It's all very fishy. The German police and intel services are clearly inept in several ways, but I do not believe their incompetence stretches to "not finding the terrorist's ID lying on the floor of the cabin" until a whole day after the attack.another_richard said:
It suggests that the mentality of the German authorities hasn't changed since last New Year's Eve.SeanT said:Look at this. Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/812043916098801666
It also aligns with your anecdote of a mate's anecdote of the German media.
Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders.0 -
And changes in German governments are by shifts in coalitions, sometimes even shifts in grand coalitions.Speedy said:
"Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders."another_richard said:
It suggests that the mentality of the German authorities hasn't changed since last New Year's Eve.SeanT said:Look at this. Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/812043916098801666
It also aligns with your anecdote of a mate's anecdote of the German media.
Remember that Germans are always very good at obeying orders.
That is why they always vote for the person who orders them around already, same as Japan, which results in a very sclerotic and antiquated approach to things.
"I order you to Vote for me"
"As you wish Master, ect "
Germans have voted for a change of government only 3 times in 57 years.
Not the decisive rejections of government as seen in the UK, USA, France or indeed most other countries.
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There's no prohibition on state aid for banks, there is merely a requirement that subordinated debt holders are bailed in*.MaxPB said:
I still don't see how that will get state aid approval.rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
Italy will argue that it's deposit protection scheme covers savings products issued by banks up to 100,000, as these products are indistinguishable from time deposits.
But it's all irrelevant anyway because the ECB has no right to preemptively prevent a government buying the shares of a bank (i.e., bailing it out), only to challenge it after the fact. And all the ECB can do is issue a fine, by which point the Italian government will be the only people capable of paying the fine, as they'll be the owners of BMPS.
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Bit like when you changed your EUref vote because you didn't like Nige. Sensitive bordering on unhinged.Luckyguy1983 said:
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.Beverley_C said:FTP: Mike said:
Can we stop the terms like "remoaner" and other derogatory terms to describe one side or another in EU debate.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
I do what I feel is right rather than blindly follow stuff. When conditions change I re-evaluate.0 -
Who are numbers one and two?Charles said:
4 ---> 3rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
(Of course, BMPS may be recapitalised and refloated, but I suspect it'll be broken up and BNP will take the best bits.)0 -
youre on catch up BeverleyAlanbrooke said:
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
Ive had one for 20 years and have fitted all the kids out with one, it's proved surprisingly useful over the years
Failte :-)
I am indeed on catch-up. I was always proud of being British but that is getting more and more tarnished with the act of collective madness known as Brexit. Since I have options I intend to ensure that I utilise them.
Nollaig shona dhuit :-)
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Yes. That is becoming apparent. On the plus side, the form is absurdly simple. Thankfully...surbiton said:I can assure you, you are not the only one !
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Scrapheap_as_was:
"Easiest trivia question ever... what is Ronaldo's son called.... clue = it's suggestive of ego"
I was slightly surprised it wasn't Jesus.....0 -
I am happy to be known as one of the Leavers of Power.....0
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Dutch national bank & Swedish national bank. Forget the order.rcs1000 said:
Who are numbers one and two?Charles said:
4 ---> 3rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
(Of course, BMPS may be recapitalised and refloated, but I suspect it'll be broken up and BNP will take the best bits.)0 -
Au contraire tyson - amongst my Oxford chums are more Brexiteers than you'd think. And those who are Remainers are bright enough to see the other POV too.tyson said:@Mortimer....I bet you don't tell many of your Oxford chums about your affection for Trump and Brexit
@SeanFear....I always viewed you as an odd and rather endearing residue of the anachronistic right. Now you are in power...I bet even you are worried, because you never really expected it.
As said Happy Xmas to all...except Brexit, Corbynistas, badger cullers, climate change deniers, Trump, Grillo, Le Pen, Wilders....I hope your turkey is burnt to a crisp, and something worse happens to you all.....
No affection for Trump. Just thought he was going to win. This is a betting site, after all.
One of the top moments of the year for me was Bobajobabobajobabobajob pestering those who thought Trump would win for a call. Only to see him win.0 -
Deleaver us from the EU?0
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I see the armchair police are out in force tonight.0
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@Beverly_C
Just out of interest, what advantages do you think your possession of an Irish Passport gives you?0 -
I'm waiting for Sindy myself..Beverley_C said:
Yes. That is becoming apparent. On the plus side, the form is absurdly simple. Thankfully...surbiton said:I can assure you, you are not the only one !
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@Beverley, I'm sorry for the stupid tone some have taken. I hope you don't feel the need to move to Ireland over this, I think (and this is not an excuse) a lot of people are frustrated about how slow the process is. Just give as good as you get at the same time as staying on the high road.
And try to avoid Brexit discussion over Christmas! Happy Christmas.
Good will to all men, remain or Leave!0 -
Correction: wiki has deleted the Dutch from the ranking, so it is now the Swedish Riksbank and then my brother's shop.Charles said:
Dutch national bank & Swedish national bank. Forget the order.rcs1000 said:
Who are numbers one and two?Charles said:
4 ---> 3rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
(Of course, BMPS may be recapitalised and refloated, but I suspect it'll be broken up and BNP will take the best bits.)
(Of course Berenberg try to claim they date from 1590, but as the founders sold then a hundred years ago it's really a new firm).0 -
One of my nephews (father British, mother EU citizen, born London, never lived in an EU country other than UK) has just been accepted for a fee free place at Edinburgh University courtesy of his dual citizenship. Fox jr is rather jealous.HurstLlama said:@Beverly_C
Just out of interest, what advantages do you think your possession of an Irish Passport gives you?0 -
Of course the owner of the second oldest company in the world is a relative of someone on PB!Charles said:
Correction: wiki has deleted the Dutch from the ranking, so it is now the Swedish Riksbank and then my brother's shop.Charles said:
Dutch national bank & Swedish national bank. Forget the order.rcs1000 said:
Who are numbers one and two?Charles said:
4 ---> 3rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
(Of course, BMPS may be recapitalised and refloated, but I suspect it'll be broken up and BNP will take the best bits.)
(Of course Berenberg try to claim they date from 1590, but as the founders sold then a hundred years ago it's really a new firm).0 -
I am not contemplating moving therenunu said:@Beverley, I'm sorry for the stupid tone some have taken. I hope you don't feel the need to move to Ireland over this,
It is slow and that adds to frustration on all sides. I can probably avoid the discussions by taking a break from PB (again)nunu said:I think (and this is not an excuse) a lot of people are frustrated about how slow the process is. Just give as good as you get at the same time as staying on the high road.
And try to avoid Brexit discussion over Christmas! Happy Christmas.
Merry Xmas
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When we leave the EU I do wonder if they'll just keep charging non-Scots.foxinsoxuk said:
One of my nephews (father British, mother EU citizen, born London, never lived in an EU country other than UK) has just been accepted for a fee free place at Edinburgh University courtesy of his dual citizenship. Fox jr is rather jealous.HurstLlama said:@Beverly_C
Just out of interest, what advantages do you think your possession of an Irish Passport gives you?
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Mail reporting on another publication that has pictures of the man known locally as Dave pottering around , visiting his local mosque etc etc etc hours AFTER the attack.0
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Hedge End is the villagey bit of Eastleigh, notable mostly for its soulless out of town shopping centre. The villagers here are more Tory than Eastleigh itself. For what it is worth.kle4 said:We shall miss you until the new year, council by-elections.
Something about the ward name Hedge End immediately made me think it was a LD seat. Of course, Eastleigh seems to be among the most LD friendly areas of the country. Isn't a majority of 32 low for that council?
Re name calling, a lot of people claim to be happy to take it and so are free to dish it out, but from what I can see, rarely justify such a claim regarding the former and demonstrate incredible sensitivity to even minor criticism. Easier to admit most people don't like taking it, so just don't dish it out.
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I am indeed on catch-up. I was always proud of being British but that is getting more and more tarnished with the act of collective madness known as Brexit. Since I have options I intend to ensure that I utilise them.Beverley_C said:
youre on catch up BeverleyAlanbrooke said:
I do not use the terms myself, but they have been applied to me often enough (not on PB that I am aware of) that I have decided to apply for my Irish passport.
For someone raised as an Ulster protestant that is one heck of a step to take.
Ive had one for 20 years and have fitted all the kids out with one, it's proved surprisingly useful over the years
Failte :-)
Nollaig shona dhuit :-)
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I know John von Berenberg quite well. Nice chap, bright, and very hard working.Charles said:
Correction: wiki has deleted the Dutch from the ranking, so it is now the Swedish Riksbank and then my brother's shop.Charles said:
Dutch national bank & Swedish national bank. Forget the order.rcs1000 said:
Who are numbers one and two?Charles said:
4 ---> 3rcs1000 said:
Not a great summary. A bail-out, of some description, was always on the cards. This is beginning to look more like Northern Rock style nationalisation.FrancisUrquhart said:World's oldest bank moves closer to bail-out after €5bn cash call fails
http://news.sky.com/story/shares-in-worlds-oldest-bank-suspended-again-on-funding-worries-10703877
But a sad way to move up the ranking.
(Of course, BMPS may be recapitalised and refloated, but I suspect it'll be broken up and BNP will take the best bits.)
(Of course Berenberg try to claim they date from 1590, but as the founders sold then a hundred years ago it's really a new firm).
He had the ignominy of being let go from the family firm, despite being the best guy on the European sales desk in London.0 -
@Speedy
I think you are right....2016 has allowed us to show what we really think...for good or ill.... At least we know what we are up against.
Mortimer...your depiction of Oxford...full of Brexiters, or sympathetic, adjusted Remainers...Please with a capital P..... Either you are a sad fantasist, or a Billy No Mates stuck in your room with Wifi and a box of kleenex....0 -
Mr Llama - I travel around Europe a lot and I intend to be travelling there even more over the coming years so there is that aspect of it. One of my kids wants to work in Paris and she can do so much easier as an EU citizen as she can plan regardless of Brexit. She finishes Uni this year.HurstLlama said:@Beverly_C
Just out of interest, what advantages do you think your possession of an Irish Passport gives you?
There is also an emotional aspect to the whole thing. I see some of the more extreme pronouncements from politicians and others and, thanks to the internet, if I can see them so can anybody else anywhere else. The voices of those who voted remain are largely unheard whereas it seems that the voices of "Leave" are loudly shouted out. Stupid speeches like Amber Rudd's at the Tory party conference or the idiotic comments of Boris as Foreign Secretary and as for the bile pumped out by the Daily Mail ....
I think what hurts the most is not losing EU citizenship (I can fix it) but that I feel the megaphone diplomacy is making me ashamed of my own country. I find that hard to stomach.
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