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You missed : UK minister flies to Japan to grovel with an open cheque book...TOPPING said:Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.0 -
They take cheques?Scott_P said:
You missed : UK minister flies to Japan to grovel with an open cheque book...TOPPING said:Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.0 -
I hate to interrupt the Brexiteer circle jerk, but there is an absolutely horrible documentary on BBC Four about a surgeon transplanting synthetic tracheas into people, despite no experimental evidence before the fact that it would work and growing evidence after the fact that they were infection factories that ended up killing the patients. OH GOD IT'S HORRIBLE!0
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Until election night we have no way of knowing which are the worst polls, they could even be the 3 best pollsters if it is very close or Trump even produces a shock win!619 said:
what, 3 pollsters out of 20? (the worse ones as well(HYUFD said:
Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney gotnunu said:
Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.HYUFD said:
Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenialsnunu said:Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman @Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.0 -
Fuck me you're making this challenging.ReggieCide said:
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
iencies into the system.MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
If the government made a deal to transfer wealth from the UK taxpayer to a private manufacturing company then that introduces inefficiencies into the system. The globally competitive manufacturing system.
It benefits Nissan and the North East (talking to you @HYUFD and @Big_G_NorthWales). But either other companies will demand equivalent government subsidies or Nissan UK will compete on the basis of government subsidies which is a sub-optimal mode of operating in a globally competitive environment. Not to say it will be sustainable by future governments in which case then what?0 -
Maybe they just like to moan about it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.0 -
Just remember when we leave the EU we wont be constrained by their state aid rules..:TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
We can do pretty much what we want.0 -
Serious allegation on newsnight. And they have named the individual...despite no charges.0
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C-ReggieCide said:
Maybe they just like to moan about it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deaer transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
PB is your chance to discuss stuff. You're not exactly hitting it out of the park, are you?0 -
The offensive bit is?TOPPING said:
Fuck me you're making this challenging.ReggieCide said:
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
iencies into the system.MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
If the government made a deal to transfer wealth from the UK taxpayer to a private manufacturing company then that introduces inefficiencies into the system. The globally competitive manufacturing system.
It benefits Nissan and the North East (talking to you @HYUFD and @Big_G_NorthWales). But either other companies will demand equivalent government subsidies or Nissan UK will compete on the basis of government subsidies which is a sub-optimal mode of operating in a globally competitive environment. Not to say it will be sustainable by future governments in which case then what?0 -
Absolutely. We can subsidise all our industries. Luckily, we know how that turns out.timmo said:
Just remember when we leave the EU we wont be constrained by their state aid rules..:TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
We can do pretty much what we want.0 -
Yes these remoaners want our economy to slump.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
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Just dropping by...
Leeds Central CLP AGM tonight - total Corbynite takeover.0 -
Just like the French.timmo said:
Just remember when we leave the EU we wont be constrained by their state aid rules..:TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
We can do pretty much what we want.0 -
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Do u want a bet he won't get over 5% of African American vote, well use fox news exit poll? Put your money where your mouth is.HYUFD said:
Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney gotnunu said:
Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.HYUFD said:
Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenialsnunu said:Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
Dave Wasserman @Redistrict
Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.0 -
Hasn't it been halved across the board?nunu said:
AA unemployment is half of what it was when he came to power, things could and have been worse.RobD said:
Yep, but that doesn't make it right.nunu said:
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.RobD said:
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.nunu said:
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....FrancisUrquhart said:
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.nunu said:
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.HYUFD said:
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.tyson said:
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.Big_G_NorthWales said:Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.
I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.0 -
Repeat my question from the last thread .MP_SE said:
Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponentsIanB2 said:UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
What is your motivation/agenda for keeping posting that the Lib Dem candidate in Richmond is " associated - whatever that means " with Jenny Tonge ?
Come along don't be shy , show us your true colours .
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I like to keep things short but obviously not as short as you.TOPPING said:
C-ReggieCide said:
Maybe they just like to moan about it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?TOPPING said:
It is legitimate to ask what the deaer transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TheCharles said:
Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or somethingScott_P said:
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
PB is your chance to discuss stuff. You're not exactly hitting it out of the park, are you?0 -
The government agreed to pick up the tab for tariffs? The cheque will be cashed if there are tariffs on car exports from the UK to the EU.Scott_P said:0 -
The same reason that anyone wants to associate a candidate with unsavory people.MarkSenior said:
Repeat my question from the last thread .MP_SE said:
Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponentsIanB2 said:UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
What is your motivation/agenda for keeping posting that the Lib Dem candidate in Richmond is " associated - whatever that means " with Jenny Tonge ?
Come along don't be shy , show us your true colours .0 -
Perhaps you could point out your opposition to this:Scott_P said:
How much taxpayers money do we want to gift to International Car manufacturers?timmo said:Just remember when we leave the EU we wont be constrained by their state aid rules..:
We can do pretty much what we want.
' Japanese car giant Nissan praised the workforce at its UK plant today after announcing plans to build a new model under a £125 million investment programme, creating 2,000 jobs.
The vehicle will be built at the Sunderland plant from mid-2013 in a project supported by a £9.3 million grant from the Government, and will compete with models in the so-called B segment such as the Ford Fiesta and the VW Polo. '
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nissan-announce-125m-uk-investment-programme-7541052.html
Or was that different because it was Cameron and Osborne handing out taxpayers money to international car manufacturers ?
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Brave of newsnight. Hope they haven't just done another macapline.0
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I appreciate I am not the person you were asking, but I must point out that if the persuasion or promotion entails the transfer of public funds to private entities, then the sums should be made public. Government should not spend taxpayer money without letting the taxpayers know.Big_G_NorthWales said:Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.
[edit: correct attribution]0 -
'Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
The
Swedenand his elite
Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.
The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.
All in all a good day for Independent UK
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
iencies into the system.
Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.
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I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
Stage 1: Nissan exe.
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?
Fuck me you're making this challenging.
If the government made a deal to transfer wealth from the UK taxpayer to a private manufacturing company then that introduces inefficiencies into the system. The globally competitive manufacturing system.
It benefits Nissan and the North East (talking to you @HYUFD and @Big_G_NorthWales). But either other companies will demand equivalent government subsidies or Nissan UK will compete on the basis of government subsidies which is a sub-optimal mode of operating in a globally competitive environment. Not to say it will be sustainable by future governments in which case then what?'
The Leave vote was to gain some control of our borders and not submit everything to the demands of global laissez-faire (as indeed most major nations whether France, Russia, the US or China do not either), if that means providing a bit of support to a key manufacturing industry in a relatively low income part of the country so be it0 -
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K, this seems to be a reasonably boring exchange, so I shall end it shortly. Bed calls.ReggieCide said:
The offensive bit is?TOPPING said:
FuckReggieCide said:
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really thble?TOPPING said:
iencies into the system.MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
The offensive bit is that quite brazenly a foreign-owned firm held our government hostage and seems to have extracted some form of benefit in order to be persuaded to remain in the UK. Which could encourage others to try to extract similar benefits.
Of course we don't know what the deal is and you don't care. But I think we as a nation should care. Laura Kuenssberg does, for example. So do I. You not. Okey dokey.0 -
Ken loach on qt...has he got a new movie out by any chance?0
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What's the story?FrancisUrquhart said:Serious allegation on newsnight. And they have named the individual...despite no charges.
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Not sure I want to get OGH in trouble, but Allegation of sexual assault by a senior person in the paedo inquiry. alleged victim didn't want to press charges, but newsnight named the individual anyway.Cookie said:
What's the story?FrancisUrquhart said:Serious allegation on newsnight. And they have named the individual...despite no charges.
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More reasons to vote Dem.RobD said:
Hasn't it been halved across the board?nunu said:
AA unemployment is half of what it was when he came to power, things could and have been worse.RobD said:
Yep, but that doesn't make it right.nunu said:
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.RobD said:
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.nunu said:
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....FrancisUrquhart said:
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.nunu said:
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.HYUFD said:
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.tyson said:
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.Big_G_NorthWales said:Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.
I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.0 -
It wasn't my post but, being an atheist, I hope you will nevertheless allow me to associate myself with it.viewcode said:
I appreciate I am not the person you were asking, but I must point out that if the persuasion or promotion entails the transfer of public funds to private entities, then the sums should be made public. Government should not spend taxpayer money without letting the taxpayers know.Big_G_NorthWales said:Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.
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In spite of, or because of?nunu said:
More reasons to vote Dem.RobD said:
Hasn't it been halved across the board?nunu said:
AA unemployment is half of what it was when he came to power, things could and have been worse.RobD said:
Yep, but that doesn't make it right.nunu said:
Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.RobD said:
I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.nunu said:
Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....FrancisUrquhart said:
I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.nunu said:
If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.HYUFD said:
If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.tyson said:
Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.Big_G_NorthWales said:Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.
I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
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Will they select far left councillor candidates for local elections.SandyRentool said:Just dropping by...
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The suggestion is that the lib dems will associate Zac with UKIP as they are supporting him so what is good for the goose is good for the ganderMarkSenior said:
Repeat my question from the last thread .MP_SE said:
Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponentsIanB2 said:UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
What is your motivation/agenda for keeping posting that the Lib Dem candidate in Richmond is " associated - whatever that means " with Jenny Tonge ?
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OK - understand the need to tread carefully, even if the BBC couldn't give a rat's arse for such niceties.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure I want to get OGH in trouble, but Allegation of sexual assault by a senior person in the paedo inquiry. alleged victim didn't want to press charges, but newsnight named the individual anyway.Cookie said:
What's the story?FrancisUrquhart said:Serious allegation on newsnight. And they have named the individual...despite no charges.
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Nighty night and God bless LK and all who sail in her.TOPPING said:
K, this seems to be a reasonably boring exchange, so I shall end it shortly. Bed calls.ReggieCide said:
The offensive bit is?TOPPING said:
FuckReggieCide said:
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really thble?TOPPING said:
iencies into the system.MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
The offensive bit is that quite brazenly a foreign-owned firm held our government hostage and seems to have extracted some form of benefit in order to be persuaded to remain in the UK. Which could encourage others to try to extract similar benefits.
Of course we don't know what the deal is and you don't care. But I think we as a nation should care. Laura Kuenssberg does, for example. So do I. You not. Okey dokey.0 -
That can't augur terribly well for Hilary Benn?SandyRentool said:Just dropping by...
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Nissan have been the beneficiaries of numerous government grants and tax allowances over the years:
' In February 1984, Nissan under the leadership of Takashi Ishihara, President of Nissan from 1977 to 1985 and the Government signed an agreement to build a car plant in the UK. The following month, a 799-acre (3.23 km2) greenfield site in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, was chosen. As an incentive, the land was offered to Nissan at agricultural prices; around £1,800 per acre. '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motor_Manufacturing_UK
' Margaret Thatcher had to intervene to prevent the abolition of certain tax breaks scuppering the massive jobs deal.
The prime minister had secured a pledge for massive inward investment from Nissan, the first Japanese car company to enter the UK, by promising favourable tax breaks to the firm’s president. '
http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/revealed-how-margaret-thatcher-saved-6464068
' Nissan has received almost £80 million in grants from British Governments over the past ten years, with politicians bending over backwards to persuade the Japanese car giant to invest in its Sunderland car production plant. As recently as March 2010 it was awarded £21 million to develop the all-electric Nissan Leaf. '
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2230999/Nissan-sells-UK-cars-Switzerland-tax-ruse.html
' Japanese car giant Nissan praised the workforce at its UK plant today after announcing plans to build a new model under a £125 million investment programme, creating 2,000 jobs.
The vehicle will be built at the Sunderland plant from mid-2013 in a project supported by a £9.3 million grant from the Government, and will compete with models in the so-called B segment such as the Ford Fiesta and the VW Polo. '
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nissan-announce-125m-uk-investment-programme-7541052.html
' Many of the companies receiving the largest public grants over the past few years previously paid little or zero corporation tax, the analysis shows. They include some of the best-known names in Britain, such as Amazon, Ford and Nissan. '
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake
Yet its only now that some people have got all upset.
Why is that I wonder.
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Some branches definitely. Worth noting that there are ward boundary changes, and all seats will be contested in 2018, not the usual one-third.nunu said:
Will they select far left councillor candidates for local elections.SandyRentool said:Just dropping by...
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He was putting on a brave face...david_herdson said:
That can't augur terribly well for Hilary Benn?SandyRentool said:Just dropping by...
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"Assurances" have mutated into "subsidies" in a matter of hours.
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Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable0
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There's a bullish report for Clinton from Fox News based on early voting statistics:
Clinton is showing strength in Florida and North Carolina, both must-win states for Trump, as well as the battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona. There are even favorable signs for Clinton in Republican-leaning Utah and Texas.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/214051542-story
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Yes, sorry about that: I edited the tags wrongReggieCide said:
It wasn't my post but, being an atheist, I hope you will nevertheless allow me to associate myself with it.viewcode said:
I appreciate I am not the person you were asking, but I must point out that if the persuasion or promotion entails the transfer of public funds to private entities, then the sums should be made public. Government should not spend taxpayer money without letting the taxpayers know.Big_G_NorthWales said:Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.
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Don Brind tried associating him with a race-row from the 1960s in the last thread. Associating the Lib Dems with one of their members - and a member of the legislature at that - seems tame in comparison.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The suggestion is that the lib dems will associate Zac with UKIP as they are supporting him so what is good for the goose is good for the ganderMarkSenior said:
Repeat my question from the last thread .MP_SE said:
Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponentsIanB2 said:UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
What is your motivation/agenda for keeping posting that the Lib Dem candidate in Richmond is " associated - whatever that means " with Jenny Tonge ?
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I couldn't agree more and I keep this brief to avoid using much more intemperate language than you.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
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.ReggieCide said:
Nighty night and God bless LK and all who sail in her.TOPPING said:
K, this seems to be a reasonably boring exchange, so I shall end it shortly. Bed calls.ReggieCide said:
The offensive bit is?TOPPING said:
FuckReggieCide said:
Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?TOPPING said:
Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.ReggieCide said:
I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.TOPPING said:
Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.ReggieCide said:
Do you really thble?TOPPING said:
iencies into the system.MP_SE said:
The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
The offensive bit is that quite brazenly a foreign-owned firm held our government hostage and seems to have extracted some form of benefit in order to be persuaded to remain in the UK. Which could encourage others to try to extract similar benefits.
Of course we don't know what the deal is and you don't care. But I think we as a nation should care. Laura Kuenssberg does, for example. So do I. You not. Okey dokey.
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I really was not put out at all.viewcode said:
Yes, sorry about that: I edited the tags wrongReggieCide said:
It wasn't my post but, being an atheist, I hope you will nevertheless allow me to associate myself with it.viewcode said:
I appreciate I am not the person you were asking, but I must point out that if the persuasion or promotion entails the transfer of public funds to private entities, then the sums should be made public. Government should not spend taxpayer money without letting the taxpayers know.Big_G_NorthWales said:Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.
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Fox News is the epitome of bloody biased liberal pro-Clinton mainstream media.Chris said:There's a bullish report for Clinton from Fox News based on early voting statistics:
Clinton is showing strength in Florida and North Carolina, both must-win states for Trump, as well as the battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona. There are even favorable signs for Clinton in Republican-leaning Utah and Texas.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/214051542-story0 -
However 'In Ohio, the heavily Democratic counties of Cuyahoga and Franklin continue to show double-digit declines in ballot requests compared to 2012. The state does not break down ballots by party affiliation. By race, voter modeling by Catalist found the white share of Ohio ballot requests was up to 91 percent from 87 percent. The black share declined to 7 percent from 10 percent.Chris said:There's a bullish report for Clinton from Fox News based on early voting statistics:
Clinton is showing strength in Florida and North Carolina, both must-win states for Trump, as well as the battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona. There are even favorable signs for Clinton in Republican-leaning Utah and Texas.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/214051542-story
Democrats lead early ballot requests in Iowa, 43 percent to 35 percent. But that lead is narrower than 2012, when Democrats held an advantage of 14 percentage points. Obama ultimately won the state by 5 percentage points.
And in Georgia, which does not report party affiliation, ballots submitted are up from 2012, but mostly among whites.
The white share of ballots rose a percentage point to 66 percent. The black share fell to 31 percent from 34 percent, according to Catalist.'
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A few Leavers on Question Time whining about HMG not giving an insight into Brexit policy intentions.
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Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...0
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Bloody numpties... don't they know 'brexit means brexit'.Theuniondivvie said:A few Leavers on Question Time whining about HMG not giving an insight into Brexit policy intentions.
SUCK IT UP!0 -
Mildly disturbing interview with Tony Schwartz (who wrote The Art of the Deal for Trump) on the BBC's Newsnight, claiming he has already made arrangements to leave the US should Trump win, as he fears for his personal safety.
Q. "Can you think of any redeeming personal qualities he might have ?"
...pause...
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Shock answer for someone who is campaigning for Clinton.Nigelb said:Mildly disturbing interview with Tony Schwartz (who wrote The Art of the Deal for Trump) on the BBC's Newsnight, claiming he has already made arrangements to leave the US should Trump win, as he fears for his personal safety.
Q. "Can you think of any redeeming personal qualities he might have ?"
...pause...
"No."0 -
It's not cold but is a bit windy in North Wales tonightMortimer said:Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...
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Was that caused by new pro-Corbyn members ?SandyRentool said:Just dropping by...
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Not surprising he doesn't like the guy; the vehemence was something else.RobD said:
Shock answer for someone who is campaigning for Clinton.Nigelb said:Mildly disturbing interview with Tony Schwartz (who wrote The Art of the Deal for Trump) on the BBC's Newsnight, claiming he has already made arrangements to leave the US should Trump win, as he fears for his personal safety.
Q. "Can you think of any redeeming personal qualities he might have ?"
...pause...
"No."
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Today we discovered the Brexiteers' definition of "taking back control" is to allow Japanese car makers to dictate terms to the UK Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
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I think the early-voting figures are quite useful even if one shouldn't try to over-interpret. What they do seem to be showing is that the polls look broadly right. That means there won't be either a Clinton landslide or a Trump victory; the probability distribution looks as though it should be closer to the NYT or even HuffPost models than to Nate Silver's, with its very long tails on both sides. It's looking increasingly as though we can be confident that the final Clinton ECV total will be in the range 320-350 or so.0
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Skeeter Davis came to mindRobD said:
Bloody numpties... don't they know 'brexit means brexit'.Theuniondivvie said:A few Leavers on Question Time whining about HMG not giving an insight into Brexit policy intentions.
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There's something about Keir's hair.0
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So you would let Nissan leave then. Tell that to the 7,000 workers and 40,000 in the supply chain. Believe Toyota has also confirmed it is staying in the UK and no doubt Jaguar Land Rover will follow to commit to the UK post Brexit.Scott_P said:
Today we discovered the Brexiteers' definition of "taking back control" is to allow Japanese car makers to dictate terms to the UK Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
I am having trouble comprehending that much Sovereignty in one lump...
It is interesting that the German car manufacturers have said today they will not accept tariffs on the 850,000 cars exported to the UK.0 -
Are you sure ?Mortimer said:Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...
Rhyl West was safely Labour even in 2008:
http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2008/423/
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Living up the coast from Rhyl I have never seen it as conservative territoryanother_richard said:
Are you sure ?Mortimer said:Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...
Rhyl West was safely Labour even in 2008:
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The government has clearly made some fairly strong promises to Nissan, desperate to avoid its Brexit strategy falling at the first hurdle. Greg Clark's lunchtime radio interview was a classic : he must have been asked four or five times about what assurances or compensation the government had offered, which he refused to answer positively or negatively, each time taking the discussion off into vague generalities about the government's supposed new pro-active industrial strategy.
Nissan has clearly been sworn to secrecy, although they did refer to 'assurances' from HMG in their first statement to the press.
I would assume that Cabinet and the relevant officials will need to be briefed at some point, and based on experience to date, that it will reach the press shortly thereafter.
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That kind of comment is obviously meaningless, as it makes no reference to the numbers. What the article actually says about Florida is this:HYUFD said:
However 'In Ohio, the heavily Democratic counties of Cuyahoga and Franklin continue to show double-digit declines in ballot requests compared to 2012. The state does not break down ballots by party affiliation. By race, voter modeling by Catalist found the white share of Ohio ballot requests was up to 91 percent from 87 percent. The black share declined to 7 percent from 10 percent.Chris said:There's a bullish report for Clinton from Fox News based on early voting statistics:
Clinton is showing strength in Florida and North Carolina, both must-win states for Trump, as well as the battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona. There are even favorable signs for Clinton in Republican-leaning Utah and Texas.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/214051542-story
Democrats lead early ballot requests in Iowa, 43 percent to 35 percent. But that lead is narrower than 2012, when Democrats held an advantage of 14 percentage points. Obama ultimately won the state by 5 percentage points.
And in Georgia, which does not report party affiliation, ballots submitted are up from 2012, but mostly among whites.
The white share of ballots rose a percentage point to 66 percent. The black share fell to 31 percent from 34 percent, according to Catalist.'
In North Carolina and Florida the Democrats had the advantage in early voting in 2012 but Romney won the former and the latter was very close
In Florida, more than 2.4 million voters have already returned ballots. In-person voting began Monday, and Democrats have pulled virtually even with Republicans, at 41 percent each. That's a much faster rate of catch-up than in 2012 and 2008, when Barack Obama won the state.
Perhaps that interpretation could be disputed with reference to the numbers, but vague waffle about "the Democrats were ahead but it was very close" is a waste of everyone's time.0 -
I think you will find that the whole car industry has received assurances and quite right to.IanB2 said:The government has clearly made some fairly strong promises to Nissan, desperate to avoid its Brexit strategy falling at the first hurdle. Greg Clark's lunchtime radio interview was a classic : he must have been asked four or five times about what assurances or compensation the government had offered, which he refused to answer positively or negatively, each time taking the discussion off into vague generalities about the government's supposed new pro-active industrial strategy.
Nissan has clearly been sworn to secrecy, although they did refer to 'assurances' from HMG in their first statement to the press.
I would assume that Cabinet and the relevant officials will need to be briefed at some point, and based on experience to date, that it will reach the press shortly thereafter.0 -
Vaguely reminiscent of a minor character in a Dilbert cartoon ?SeanT said:
I agree. He's a bit... weird. Also his teeth,Theuniondivvie said:There's something about Keir's hair.
(The eyes almost look drawn on his face rather than being real...)
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And his voice. And his skin. And his posture. And his lifeless eyes.SeanT said:
I agree. He's a bit... weird. Also his teeth,Theuniondivvie said:There's something about Keir's hair.
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It is from any standpoint but remainer's see it as fundamentally undermining their case and they are in panic modeSeanT said:
Thatcher spent half her term bribing investors. Cf Docklands. It's just pragmatic politics. All governments do it. This is a ludicrous debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So you would let Nissan leave then. Tell that to the 7,000 workers and 40,000 in the supply chain. Believe Toyota has also confirmed it is staying in the UK and no doubt Jaguar Land Rover will follow to commit to the UK post Brexit.Scott_P said:
Today we discovered the Brexiteers' definition of "taking back control" is to allow Japanese car makers to dictate terms to the UK Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
I am having trouble comprehending that much Sovereignty in one lump...
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My experience is that North Wales is always choppy, but then I'm a softy southerner with relatives in Rhyl and Llandudno...Big_G_NorthWales said:
It's not cold but is a bit windy in North Wales tonightMortimer said:Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...
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Steer calmerSeanT said:Thus dies the future career of Keir Starmer as a Labour leader candidate. He's awful. A robot's idea of a political robot. He makes Ken Loach look witty. And Ken Loach is possibly retarded.
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Yep - Mayism should actually help the inhabitants of Rhyl. I'm pretty sure Labour haven't helped them for decades. Shades of Scot Lab all over again.another_richard said:
Are you sure ?Mortimer said:Rhyl west is the sort of seat that Cons should be winning from Lab. But on a cold, misty by-election night in October, anything could happen...
Rhyl West was safely Labour even in 2008:
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I have supported it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is from any standpoint but remainer's see it as fundamentally undermining their case and they are in panic modeSeanT said:
Thatcher spent half her term bribing investors. Cf Docklands. It's just pragmatic politics. All governments do it. This is a ludicrous debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So you would let Nissan leave then. Tell that to the 7,000 workers and 40,000 in the supply chain. Believe Toyota has also confirmed it is staying in the UK and no doubt Jaguar Land Rover will follow to commit to the UK post Brexit.Scott_P said:
Today we discovered the Brexiteers' definition of "taking back control" is to allow Japanese car makers to dictate terms to the UK Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
I am having trouble comprehending that much Sovereignty in one lump...
It is interesting that the German car manufacturers have said today they will not accept tariffs on the 850,000 cars exported to the UK.
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I am sure you are pragmatic but unfortunately their are some who so love the EU they would do anything to stop us leavingfoxinsoxuk said:
I have supported it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is from any standpoint but remainer's see it as fundamentally undermining their case and they are in panic modeSeanT said:
Thatcher spent half her term bribing investors. Cf Docklands. It's just pragmatic politics. All governments do it. This is a ludicrous debate.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So you would let Nissan leave then. Tell that to the 7,000 workers and 40,000 in the supply chain. Believe Toyota has also confirmed it is staying in the UK and no doubt Jaguar Land Rover will follow to commit to the UK post Brexit.Scott_P said:
Today we discovered the Brexiteers' definition of "taking back control" is to allow Japanese car makers to dictate terms to the UK Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Today seems to have shown up remainer's actively hoping that Nissan and the car industry leaves in an attempt to say 'I told you so'. It is really depressing and unacceptable
I am having trouble comprehending that much Sovereignty in one lump...
It is interesting that the German car manufacturers have said today they will not accept tariffs on the 850,000 cars exported to the UK.
I like to see a centrist government subsidising worthwhile industries and having an industrial policy rather than advocating unrestricted free markets. It takes me back to my youth in the Seventies.0 -
Afaik Sturgeon is currently hetero, but I think we red blooded Scotchmen can take some credit for the rest. The lesbian bit anyway.SeanT said:
Yup!Theuniondivvie said:
And his voice. And his skin. And his posture. And his lifeless eyes.SeanT said:
I agree. He's a bit... weird. Also his teeth,Theuniondivvie said:There's something about Keir's hair.
Future Labour leader, nailed on.
The interesting question is why Scotland has suddenly become so so good at producing plausible, likeable lesbian leaders: Davidson, Sturgeon, etc. Is is something in Highland Spring water?0 -
Yes, we're definitely going to see a return to the Wilson/Sunny Jim era of 'picking winners'. Nissan had to be saved for post-Brexit cosmetic reasons, but it will be interesting to see how this and future governments will be with the pork-barrel strategy. For example, will this government attempt a vaguely even spread, or will they concentrate on the midlands and south and let the north go hang?IanB2 said:The government has clearly made some fairly strong promises to Nissan, desperate to avoid its Brexit strategy falling at the first hurdle. Greg Clark's lunchtime radio interview was a classic : he must have been asked four or five times about what assurances or compensation the government had offered, which he refused to answer positively or negatively, each time taking the discussion off into vague generalities about the government's supposed new pro-active industrial strategy.
Nissan has clearly been sworn to secrecy, although they did refer to 'assurances' from HMG in their first statement to the press.
I would assume that Cabinet and the relevant officials will need to be briefed at some point, and based on experience to date, that it will reach the press shortly thereafter.0 -
Sturgeon a lesbian leader - are you sureSeanT said:
Yup!Theuniondivvie said:
And his voice. And his skin. And his posture. And his lifeless eyes.SeanT said:
I agree. He's a bit... weird. Also his teeth,Theuniondivvie said:There's something about Keir's hair.
Future Labour leader, nailed on.
The interesting question is why Scotland has suddenly become so so good at producing plausible, likeable lesbian leaders: Davidson, Sturgeon, etc. Is is something in Highland Spring water?0 -
Your cock is now tainted for ever!SeanT said:I just had fantastic sex with a 21 year old Remainer.
I make this point solely to boast, and with no relation to politics, whatsoever.
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I thought Ms Sturgeon was married to a bloke, but who cares in the modern world.SeanT said:
Yup!Theuniondivvie said:
And his voice. And his skin. And his posture. And his lifeless eyes.SeanT said:
I agree. He's a bit... weird. Also his teeth,Theuniondivvie said:There's something about Keir's hair.
Future Labour leader, nailed on.
The interesting question is why Scotland has suddenly become so so good at producing plausible, likeable lesbian leaders: Davidson, Sturgeon, etc. Is is something in Highland Spring water?0 -
Last time I looked Sunderland is in the North East. I would expect TM to spread the pot more in the North, Midlands and South West even more than the South, apart from Heathrow.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, we're definitely going to see a return to the Wilson/Sunny Jim era of 'picking winners'. Nissan had to be saved for post-Brexit cosmetic reasons, but it will be interesting to see how this and future governments will be with the pork-barrel strategy. For example, will this government attempt a vaguely even spread, or will they concentrate on the midlands and south and let the north go hang?IanB2 said:The government has clearly made some fairly strong promises to Nissan, desperate to avoid its Brexit strategy falling at the first hurdle. Greg Clark's lunchtime radio interview was a classic : he must have been asked four or five times about what assurances or compensation the government had offered, which he refused to answer positively or negatively, each time taking the discussion off into vague generalities about the government's supposed new pro-active industrial strategy.
Nissan has clearly been sworn to secrecy, although they did refer to 'assurances' from HMG in their first statement to the press.
I would assume that Cabinet and the relevant officials will need to be briefed at some point, and based on experience to date, that it will reach the press shortly thereafter.0 -
Probably has got a new movie out. Probably about the Evil Tories.FrancisUrquhart said:Ken loach on qt...has he got a new movie out by any chance?
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It is and of course on benefits and the nasty Toriesperdix said:
Probably has got a new movie out. Probably about the Evil Tories.FrancisUrquhart said:Ken loach on qt...has he got a new movie out by any chance?
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Actually the most damning criticism (and one I made in the debates), trump is unable to concentrate for more than 5 minutes. That is incredibly dangerous for a world leader.Nigelb said:Mildly disturbing interview with Tony Schwartz (who wrote The Art of the Deal for Trump) on the BBC's Newsnight, claiming he has already made arrangements to leave the US should Trump win, as he fears for his personal safety.
Q. "Can you think of any redeeming personal qualities he might have ?"
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"No."
Politicians lying & not being nice people behind the scenes, well hiliary has both in spades, but one thing you wouldn't say is she can't hold her shit together for a maximum of 5 minutes.
One positive that the civil.servants used to say about Cameron was they gave him stuff in his red box & he would sit, concentrate and get through the shit in a timely fashion.0 -
Amusing to see Trump has been trying to win over Indian Americans (or rather Hindu Americans) with a Hindi slogan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-37787347
The reaction from people in Delhi wasn't favourable:
Student Kriti Kakkar was so amused she watched the video a few times over.
"I thought the US was a developed country, but after seeing this man come this far, I am having serious doubts," she said.
"How could they not know him? I have followed him since he used to host The Apprentice on television. He was so rude even then."0 -
He has...all about how nasty the benefits system is & food banks. I am sure roger will love it.perdix said:
Probably has got a new movie out. Probably about the Evil Tories.FrancisUrquhart said:Ken loach on qt...has he got a new movie out by any chance?
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It's hard to square the alleged short attention span with the other claim that Trump will relentlessly pursue something until he gets his way. Even Schwartz said he thought Trump had qualities that could be used for tremendous good in the right cause.FrancisUrquhart said:
Actually the most damning criticism (and one I made in the debates), trump is unable to concentrate for more than 5 minutes. That is incredibly dangerous for a world leader.Nigelb said:Mildly disturbing interview with Tony Schwartz (who wrote The Art of the Deal for Trump) on the BBC's Newsnight, claiming he has already made arrangements to leave the US should Trump win, as he fears for his personal safety.
Q. "Can you think of any redeeming personal qualities he might have ?"
...pause...
"No."
Politicians lying & not being nice people behind the scenes, well hiliary has both in spades, but one thing you wouldn't say is she can't hold her shit together for a maximum of 5 minutes.
One positive that the civil.servants used to say about Cameron was they gave him stuff in his red box & he would sit, concentrate and get through the shit in a timely fashion.0 -
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Smart people.Chris said:Amusing to see Trump has been trying to win over Indian Americans (or rather Hindu Americans) with a Hindi slogan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-37787347
The reaction from people in Delhi wasn't favourable:
Student Kriti Kakkar was so amused she watched the video a few times over.
"I thought the US was a developed country, but after seeing this man come this far, I am having serious doubts," she said.
"How could they not know him? I have followed him since he used to host The Apprentice on television. He was so rude even then."0 -
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