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For sure. Perhaps if we two can find common ground...there is a path forward. I do not remember a country so divided, though my living political memory goes back to the late 80s only.Mortimer said:
To be honest, though, my ear is similarly attuned to the intolerance and narrowing of debate by no platforming, political correctness etc.Gardenwalker said:
I'm a filthy Islingtonite.Mortimer said:
Honest question Mr Walker - are you an urbanite or a rural dweller?Gardenwalker said:
I just call it as it is. Perhaps we were watching different shows.Mortimer said:
Is that the word you use when people who don't agree with you democratically decide something?Gardenwalker said:
What a hate-filled audience.Mortimer said:
It was the same in Hendon.Jobabob said:
It's a very Brexit town - the audience are coming across as somewhat obsessive.MarqueeMark said:Remaoners getting a kicking on QT from Hartlepool.
This is the new common ground of British politics.
Consequently, Labour are toast.
They shouted down anyone we dared to even suggest we need to actually figure out what happens next.
And they booed the poor Polish woman who had been living there for a 20 years.
Disgraceful showing. If that's mainstream, we're heading straight for dictatorship.
I think this is going to be one of the biggest cleavages in the next century of our politics....
But I was born and grew up in a working class suburb of Auckland, NZ. My people are car mechanics, book-keepers, machinists.
I get it. I get the power of "take back control" and the feeling of not being heard. But I think I also recognise hate and intolerace.
I'm beginning to think Mr Meeks is right: whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, this campaign was won by appealing to people's basest instincts.
And now we reap what was sown. Hard Brexit - because it does not require discussion, understanding, tolerance - naturally follows.
I suspect our bias wants us too....0 -
No it's not. Leaving the EU means leaving the Single Market, it is up to the government to sign a new deal and then for Parliament to ratify it. Has always been thus, Parliament has never controlled negotiations.rottenborough said:
Because the question on the ballot paper was about leaving the EU. Everything else is up to Parliament.Mortimer said:Andrew Neil making the very good point that Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean leaving the Single Market, so why the howling....
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25% turnout in Batley - SKY news0
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In Italian the stress is almost invariably on the second last syllable, so Pa-MEL-a rather than the British PAM-el-a. I am sure Theresa is no exception.Gardenwalker said:
Well she was Albanian, but probably became famous via an Italian speaking Catholic media.Mortimer said:
Could be.Gardenwalker said:
Mother Te-rayz-a?Mortimer said:Entirely OT, but why do so many people struggle with the pronunciation of Ter-ease-a ?
Is that actually how the nun's name was meant to be pronounced?
So who knows.
My white working class persona tells me it's Ter-ease-a May, and anything else is putting on airs.0 -
The Corn Laws caused a bit of upset :-)Gardenwalker said:
For sure. Perhaps if we two can find common ground...there is a path forward. I do not remember a country so divided, though my living political memory goes back to the late 80s only.Mortimer said:
To be honest, though, my ear is similarly attuned to the intolerance and narrowing of debate by no platforming, political correctness etc.Gardenwalker said:
I'm a filthy Islingtonite.Mortimer said:
Honest question Mr Walker - are you an urbanite or a rural dweller?Gardenwalker said:
I just call it as it is. Perhaps we were watching different shows.Mortimer said:
Is that the word you use when people who don't agree with you democratically decide something?Gardenwalker said:
What a hate-filled audience.Mortimer said:
It was the same in Hendon.Jobabob said:
It's a very Brexit town - the audience are coming across as somewhat obsessive.MarqueeMark said:Remaoners getting a kicking on QT from Hartlepool.
This is the new common ground of British politics.
Consequently, Labour are toast.
They shouted down anyone we dared to even suggest we need to actually figure out what happens next.
And they booed the poor Polish woman who had been living there for a 20 years.
Disgraceful showing. If that's mainstream, we're heading straight for dictatorship.
I think this is going to be one of the biggest cleavages in the next century of our politics....
But I was born and grew up in a working class suburb of Auckland, NZ. My people are car mechanics, book-keepers, machinists.
I get it. I get the power of "take back control" and the feeling of not being heard. But I think I also recognise hate and intolerace.
I'm beginning to think Mr Meeks is right: whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, this campaign was won by appealing to people's basest instincts.
And now we reap what was sown. Hard Brexit - because it does not require discussion, understanding, tolerance - naturally follows.
I suspect our bias wants us too....0 -
The EU has a problem negotiating trade deals - sectional interests. The answer (to the EU), is, of course, more integration.Philip_Thompson said:
Bull. In a trade negotiation flexibility is everything. Besides our size is already big in its own right. Besides the US, China, EU and Japan we are the world's largest economy. The EU can't and won't sign a deal with itself and will not sign a deal with the US, China or Japan either (TTIP is dead). We might with those sign one independent of the EU.IanB2 said:
In a trade negotiation size is everything.Philip_Thompson said:Why would that happen? Seriously the opposite is infinitely more likely.
For every other nation in the globe we are bigger than them.
The problem is that even a generation into a future USE, the political structure will be a patchwork quilt of sectional interests. A receipe for political gridlock on such matters....0 -
Around 20,000 votes. That's less than Labour won with last time when they polled 21,826.Sunil_Prasannan said:25% turnout in Batley - SKY news
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Which major country or trading block has more free trade agreements than the EU?Malmesbury said:
The EU has a problem negotiating trade deals - sectional interests. The answer (to the EU), is, of course, more integration.Philip_Thompson said:
Bull. In a trade negotiation flexibility is everything. Besides our size is already big in its own right. Besides the US, China, EU and Japan we are the world's largest economy. The EU can't and won't sign a deal with itself and will not sign a deal with the US, China or Japan either (TTIP is dead). We might with those sign one independent of the EU.IanB2 said:
In a trade negotiation size is everything.Philip_Thompson said:Why would that happen? Seriously the opposite is infinitely more likely.
For every other nation in the globe we are bigger than them.
The problem is that even a generation into a future USE, the political structure will be a patchwork quilt of sectional interests. A receipe for political gridlock on such matters....0 -
God the tension is unbearable.
Have the Eccentrics beaten the Loonies?0 -
A. Because it wasn't on the ballot paper, B. Because it would be dumb, and C. Because Gove promised specifically that we would still be in the "free trade zone" and it isn't obvious how else that would happen.Mortimer said:Andrew Neil making the very good point that Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean leaving the Single Market, so why the howling....
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Does it though? As has been said repeatedly by both sides, Norway has full access to single market.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's not. Leaving the EU means leaving the Single Market, it is up to the government to sign a new deal and then for Parliament to ratify it. Has always been thus, Parliament has never controlled negotiations.rottenborough said:
Because the question on the ballot paper was about leaving the EU. Everything else is up to Parliament.Mortimer said:Andrew Neil making the very good point that Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean leaving the Single Market, so why the howling....
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Yes it does. Norway joined the Single Market via the EEA. We could leave the EU and negotiate Single Market membership via the EEA if that is the route the government chooses to go down in negotiations and if the rest of the EEA agrees to us joining and if Parliament ratifies the deal.rottenborough said:
Does it though? As has been said repeatedly by both sides, Norway has full access to single market.Philip_Thompson said:
No it's not. Leaving the EU means leaving the Single Market, it is up to the government to sign a new deal and then for Parliament to ratify it. Has always been thus, Parliament has never controlled negotiations.rottenborough said:
Because the question on the ballot paper was about leaving the EU. Everything else is up to Parliament.Mortimer said:Andrew Neil making the very good point that Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean leaving the Single Market, so why the howling....
If any of those don't happen though, our Single Market membership ends the day we leave the EU automatically.0 -
I've not watched This Week in years. Neil is a little too dominant. They should use the time to get politicans to be indiscreet and thoughtful.0
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A lot of crap was spoken in the campaign.
There was only one question on the ballot.
And one answer was given.
I now expect my government to deliver that, as best they can, with due regard to the security, prosperity, and sovereignty of the country.
As a parliamentary democracy, the government need to find a way of binding parliament to the course they pursue and negotiate.
End of.
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Not sure there is much to add to the Brexit discussion but to me it's about the disparities. Leave/Remain in a binary referendum seems like the ultimate in Control. But as we are now discovering actually what Brexit will entail could be 10001 things. It's highly nuanced and my binary. I think that disparity is the first foundation of the continued culture war and political strife.0
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Labour gain Witham North ( Braintree DC ) from Conservatives0
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Gardenwalker said:
On reflection, it simply that the Plebs have revolted against the Optimates, and the Optimates views of the Plebs are out in the open. The Optimates are appalled to find that they are not loved by the Plebs.Mortimer said:
For sure. Perhaps if we two can find common ground...there is a path forward. I do not remember a country so divided, though my living political memory goes back to the late 80s only.Gardenwalker said:
To be honest, though, my ear is similarly attuned to the intolerance and narrowing of debate by no platforming, political correctness etc.Mortimer said:
:Gardenwalker said:
Honest question Mr Walker - are you an urbanite or a rural dweller?Mortimer said:
I just call it as it is. Perhaps we were watching different shows.Gardenwalker said:
Is that the word you use when people who don't agree with you democratically decide something?Mortimer said:
:Jobabob said:
It's a very Brexit town - the audience are coming across as somewhat obsessive.MarqueeMark said:Remaoners getting a kicking on QT from Hartlepool.
I think this is going to be one of the biggest cleavages in the next century of our politics....
I suspect our bias wants us too....
How many times over the years have we heard of the progressive contempt for the lower orders? If I recall correctly, on one occasion, here, a couple of impeccably right-on posters enjoyed themselves describing a group of immigrants as a all tax dodging criminals, who were too stupid to integrate. They were, of course, talking of British working class immigrants to Spain...
A number of times over the years, we have had people on the Left calling on other progressive types not to demonise the filthy degenerates who infect the country with their awful behaviour. I recall a hilarious article in the Guardian by a lady who went "native" among the plebs for a few weeks. It was so utterly Sanders of The River.....
It is going to hurt, but think on this - What was the original idea behind all the elaborate concern shown to minority groups? What was the history? Why for example, when a crime is committed by someone from such a group, is a special effort made by those of... the proper tendencies.. to emphasise that "they are not all like that"??0 -
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
Priti Patel's constituency? These by election results really are bad for the Tories.MarkSenior said:Labour gain Witham North ( Braintree DC ) from Conservatives
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That's a "Priti" good result for the CorbynistasMarkSenior said:Labour gain Witham North ( Braintree DC ) from Conservatives
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Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
Hell hath no fury.....Y0kel said:
If Clinton wins there is every possibility of investigations around some of Trump's team's associations. Legal investigations. You don't want to be near it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stepping back to focus on Watergate x1000?Scott_P said:0 -
The second disparity is between a single day of decision, 23rd of June and the reality of years, perhaps a decade of negotiation. Ultimately Brexit won't be done until the successor FTA is done. Could be 7 years. Perhaps longer. If you have a single decisive day of destiny where ever voter is empowered then what you actually get is years of uncertainty the disparity is huge.0
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Erm, Jess wasn't even born then...justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:
It was a foolish comment.0 -
Those were almost 50 years ago. Times have changed a little bit since then wrt independent candidates.justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
But in even in that era some by elections did attract quite a few fringe candidates - eg Hull North in January 1966. My point really is that it has never been universal.RobD said:
Those were almost 50 years ago. Times have changed a little bit since then wrt independent candidates.justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
@Malmesbury
Ultimately there is more that unites us than divides us. Difference of class, or wealth, or political opinion vanish in the face of God, or Allah, or "the void".
I repeat though that this referendum has unleashed some dark forces. Indeed today is a by-election caused by the slaying of an MP by a nutter who was inflamed in some way by the debate.
She seems to have been half forgotten already, but let us not forget what her death says about the politics and society in the UK today.0 -
Browsing the ward demographics it looks like it should have been a Labour ward to start with; high proportion of social housing, low educational attainment, relatively young etcnunu said:
Priti Patel's constituency? These by election results really are bad for the Tories.MarkSenior said:Labour gain Witham North ( Braintree DC ) from Conservatives
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That's Mr Neil to you.YellowSubmarine said:I've not watched This Week in years. Neil is a little too dominant. They should use the time to get politicans to be indiscreet and thoughtful.
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It is pretty much universal now.justin124 said:
But in even in that era some by elections did attract quite a few fringe candidates - eg Hull North in January 1966. My point really is that it has never been universal.RobD said:
Those were almost 50 years ago. Times have changed a little bit since then wrt independent candidates.justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
He's surely due a gong at some point?David_Evershed said:
That's Mr Neil to you.YellowSubmarine said:I've not watched This Week in years. Neil is a little too dominant. They should use the time to get politicans to be indiscreet and thoughtful.
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That may be partly due to there being far fewer of them!RobD said:
It is pretty much universal now.justin124 said:
But in even in that era some by elections did attract quite a few fringe candidates - eg Hull North in January 1966. My point really is that it has never been universal.RobD said:
Those were almost 50 years ago. Times have changed a little bit since then wrt independent candidates.justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
Thirdly there is the disparity of Control. Voters are asked to make a Soveriegn decision. They do. Then elites take it back and decide what it means.0
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My point is rather that the dark forces were always there, just not expressed.Gardenwalker said:@Malmesbury
Ultimately there is more that unites us than divides us. Difference of class, or wealth, or political opinion vanish in the face of God, or Allah, or "the void".
I repeat though that this referendum has unleashed some dark forces. Indeed today is a by-election caused by the slaying of an MP by a nutter who was inflamed in some way by the debate.
She seems to have been half forgotten already, but let us not forget what her death says about the politics and society in the UK today.
Lots of places round the world look idyllic from the places where Roger would be barred from on the grounds that he isn't suitably cultured and rich enough.0 -
I am sure if there were more by elections there would still be a similar number of independent candidates.justin124 said:
That may be partly due to there being far fewer of them!RobD said:
It is pretty much universal now.justin124 said:
But in even in that era some by elections did attract quite a few fringe candidates - eg Hull North in January 1966. My point really is that it has never been universal.RobD said:
Those were almost 50 years ago. Times have changed a little bit since then wrt independent candidates.justin124 said:
Perhaps not quite as stupid as it sounds. If you look at the Paddington North By- election of October 1969 - and Wellingborough - December 1969 - both were straight fights with only Tory and Labour candidates. Also true I think of Bromsgrove in May 1971.MP_SE said:
Just reinforces my opinion of her being a particularly dim individual.brokenwheel said:0 -
Workington - November 1976 -only the three main party candidates!0
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Further to previous discussion of claims that the Monster Vote might counter Clinton's Demonic advantage - Nate Silver concludes that filtering for turnout may give Trump a 0.8% advantage, compared with Romney's 2% advantage last time (which may have been an overestimate):
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-likely-voters-arent-helping-trump-much/?ex_cid=2016-forecast0 -
Fourthly and finally is the disparity between Control and Dispossession. Because the referendum was framed by stories and exclusionary stories and in the end the current national story was supplanted by another story many will feel violated. If you were an elite in control it doesn't feel like you've taken back control. It feels like you've been mugged.
So imho June 23rd was a defining cultural event in our modern history. But if you look at the four disparities between how it was framed and how it will pan out it's a deeply unstable cultural event. The idea it would settle anything in the short term seems ludicrous. We've years of aftershocks until we reach the final durable Brexit settlement. Continued conflict is designed into it.0 -
Lib Dem Gain
St Mary's (E. Riding of Yorks.):
LD: 40.0% (+28.7)
CON: 25.3% (-3.2)
LAB: 18.4% (+0.6)
BEV: 9.7% (-1.2)
IND: 3.8% (+3.8)
UKIP: 2.7% (-10.3
Lib Dem Hold
Clarence, St Albans
LD 916 (57.0%; +6.1)
Con 388 (24.1%; +3.0)
Lab 193 (12.0%; -5.2)
Grn 98 (6.1%; -3.7)
UKIP 16 (0.8%)
PC Gain
Blaengwrach, Neath Port Talbot
PC 225 (48.0%; +3.6)
Lab 143 (30.5%; -25.1)
Ind 58 (12.4%)
UKIP 39 (8.3%)
Con 4 (0.9%)
Con Gain
Strood South, Medway
Con 724 (38.4%; +3.4)
Lab 521 (27.7%; +3.5)
UKIP 480 (25.5%; -13.1)
Grn 74 (3.9%)
LD 62 (3.3%)
ED 23 (1.2%)
Con Hold
Central Sandhurst (Bracknell Forest) result:
CON: 69.3% (+6.3)
LAB: 30.7% (+10.5)
Lab hold Central, Middlesbrough0 -
Dental tests are already being used to assess the age of migrants, the Daily Mail can reveal.
The Home Office is under fire for ruling out tooth X-rays for youngsters coming to the UK from The Jungle camp in Calais.
Ministers claimed such checks were 'inaccurate, inappropriate and unethical'.
But last night it was revealed that UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI), the Home Office agency responsible for asylum claims, already accepts dental checks as proof of age, if provided by the migrant.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3857394/Are-dental-checks-child-migrants-unethical-No-Home-Office.html0 -
26 candidates(!) at Haltemprice (David Davis) in 2008
19 at Newbury, 1993
18 at Kensington & Chelsea, 1999
17 Chesterfield, 1994
16 Bermondsey, 1983 and Brent East, 2003
15 Kensington, 1988
14 at Christchurch 1993, Corby, 2012, Eastleigh, 2013, Hartlepool, 2004, Mid Staffs, 1990, Tooting, 2016, Vauxhall 1989, and Witney 2016
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really sticking their neck out there!!williamglenn said:0 -
Next they will be predicting Clinton is going to win...williamglenn said:0 -
Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.0 -
"Not long now" - for verification to finish. They haven't even started counting.David_Evershed said:Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.0 -
I have a lot of friends who live in the Witney constituency. Most of them have complained about the amount of literature coming through their letterboxes - one of them described as being like the scene in Harry Potter when all the Hogwarts letters arrived for Harry filling up the Dursley house.David_Evershed said:Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.
At least one person said that he wouldn't vote LD in protest at the amount of stuff they have shoved through his letterbox.
Sometimes trying too hard is off-putting.0 -
Looks like Labour have taken about 85% in Batley & Spen.0
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I can understand that more at by elections, too.oxfordsimon said:
I have a lot of friends who live in the Witney constituency. Most of them have complained about the amount of literature coming through their letterboxes - one of them described as being like the scene in Harry Potter when all the Hogwarts letters arrived for Harry filling up the Dursley house.David_Evershed said:Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.
At least one person said that he wouldn't vote LD in protest at the amount of stuff they have shoved through his letterbox.
Sometimes trying too hard is off-putting.0 -
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I don't recall, during any of the three POTUS debates, any mention of climate change.0
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Party agents should know the result fairly accurately by the end of verification though.brokenwheel said:
"Not long now" - for verification to finish. They haven't even started counting.David_Evershed said:Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.0 -
Indeed, just clarifying for those who might be thinking of staying up for the declaration.0
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Tracey Brabin - such a vapid acceptance speech. You would expect an actor to be capable of greater sincerity.0
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Hmm. If it's 25%, doing 2% or more better in a by-election than in the last few general elections won't really rank as an outstanding achievement. Still, it's a sign of life.slade said:Thanks to Mark Pack for this. If the LDs get 23.1% of the vote in Witney it is the best result in the seat this century. If they get 27.9% it is the best share of the vote in a Tory held bye-election since 2006. If they get 28.1% it is the best increase in the vote since 1993. Just shows how poor the resent record has been.
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Batley:
Majority 16,537 81.0
Labour Tracy Brabin 17,506 85.8 +42.6
English Democrats Therese Hirst 969 4.8 N/A
BNP David Furness 548 2.7 N/A
Independent Garry Kitchin 517 2.5 N/A
English Independence Corbyn Anti 241 1.2 N/A
Liberty GB Jack Buckby 220 1.1 N/A
Independent Henry Mayhew 153 0.8 N/A
Independent Waqas Ali Khan 118 0.6 N/A
National Front Richard Edmonds 87 0.4 N/A
One Love Party Ankit Love 34 0.2 N/A
Turnout 20,393 25.8
Labour hold Swing +1.7
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In the last general election the Lib Dems got 6.8% (down 12.7% from 2010)Chris said:
Hmm. If it's 25%, doing 2% or more better in a by-election than in the last few general elections won't really rank as an outstanding achievement. Still, it's a sign of life.slade said:Thanks to Mark Pack for this. If the LDs get 23.1% of the vote in Witney it is the best result in the seat this century. If they get 27.9% it is the best share of the vote in a Tory held bye-election since 2006. If they get 28.1% it is the best increase in the vote since 1993. Just shows how poor the resent record has been.
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Yes, but I was looking at which of Dr Pack's benchmarks were met. What with his being such a competent spin doctor and knowing all about expectation management, I assume he was really hoping for 30% or more.David_Evershed said:
In the last general election the Lib Dems got 6.8% (down 12.7% from 2010)Chris said:
Hmm. If it's 25%, doing 2% or more better in a by-election than in the last few general elections won't really rank as an outstanding achievement. Still, it's a sign of life.slade said:Thanks to Mark Pack for this. If the LDs get 23.1% of the vote in Witney it is the best result in the seat this century. If they get 27.9% it is the best share of the vote in a Tory held bye-election since 2006. If they get 28.1% it is the best increase in the vote since 1993. Just shows how poor the resent record has been.
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There has been. Clinton has pushed that button in some of her Robo bits. Where as Trump just goes all GGGGGGGGhinnnaaaa..GGGGGGGGhinnnaaaa...GGGGGGGGhinnnaaaaTim_B said:Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I don't recall, during any of the three POTUS debates, any mention of climate change.
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Normally better to focus on getting out the vote of canvassed supporters. Conservatives are good at this in the south because of their records from previous elections and having fulltime local agents which others can't afford.oxfordsimon said:
I have a lot of friends who live in the Witney constituency. Most of them have complained about the amount of literature coming through their letterboxes - one of them described as being like the scene in Harry Potter when all the Hogwarts letters arrived for Harry filling up the Dursley house.David_Evershed said:Periodic updates from Witney count at
http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/14815246.LIVE__Witney_by_election_count_and_results/
"Not long now"
Lib Dems expecting 25% - low after their big effort.
UKIP expecting fourth.
At least one person said that he wouldn't vote LD in protest at the amount of stuff they have shoved through his letterbox.
Sometimes trying too hard is off-putting.0 -
Trump is being really funny at the Al Smith dinner.0
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Seems much less of an A-hole than in the debatesMortimer said:Trump is being really funny at the Al Smith dinner.
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Witney
2:09am Keith Butler, the acting returning officer, has provided an update.
He says the result is expected at 3am at the moment. Verification is being done at the same time as counting, so once it is finished we should have a result very soon afterwards.
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OK - hes lost the funny now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Seems much less of an A-hole than in the debatesMortimer said:Trump is being really funny at the Al Smith dinner.
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I don't know why it takes them so long when other constituencies are able to finish by 1 or 2 in the morning.David_Evershed said:Witney
2:09am Keith Butler, the acting returning officer, has provided an update.
He says the result is expected at 3am at the moment. Verification is being done at the same time as counting, so once it is finished we should have a result very soon afterwards.0 -
Hillary isn't pulling the punches.Mortimer said:
OK - hes lost the funny now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Seems much less of an A-hole than in the debatesMortimer said:Trump is being really funny at the Al Smith dinner.
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In the circumstances Batley seems a fitting result. An emphatic Labour win but enough choice in the ballot paper to make dissent possible. I'd normally argue contested democracy is the best response to terrorism ( Eg Eastbourne ) but the specifics of Cox's murder where arguably even darker.0
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Yeah, but in the context of saving the jobs of people who work in coal.Chris said:
I think someone called Ken Bone did mention environmental friendliness briefly during the second debate.Tim_B said:Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I don't recall, during any of the three POTUS debates, any mention of climate change.
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They have to fly the ballot boxes in from Chipping Norton.AndyJS said:
I don't know why it takes them so long when other constituencies are able to finish by 1 or 2 in the morning.David_Evershed said:Witney
2:09am Keith Butler, the acting returning officer, has provided an update.
He says the result is expected at 3am at the moment. Verification is being done at the same time as counting, so once it is finished we should have a result very soon afterwards.0 -
Seems a tad excessive!Dadge said:
They have to fly the ballot boxes in from Chipping Norton.AndyJS said:
I don't know why it takes them so long when other constituencies are able to finish by 1 or 2 in the morning.David_Evershed said:Witney
2:09am Keith Butler, the acting returning officer, has provided an update.
He says the result is expected at 3am at the moment. Verification is being done at the same time as counting, so once it is finished we should have a result very soon afterwards.0 -
Couldn't Rebekah have lent them a horse?RobD said:
Seems a tad excessive!Dadge said:
They have to fly the ballot boxes in from Chipping Norton.AndyJS said:
I don't know why it takes them so long when other constituencies are able to finish by 1 or 2 in the morning.David_Evershed said:Witney
2:09am Keith Butler, the acting returning officer, has provided an update.
He says the result is expected at 3am at the moment. Verification is being done at the same time as counting, so once it is finished we should have a result very soon afterwards.0 -
Candidates and agents have just been summoned by the RO0
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Morning all. Still no result in Witney, what's taking them so long, surely it doesn't take five hours to count a couple of dozen thousand votes?0
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Candidates going up by the looks of it...0
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Morning all.
Rumour has it that the Lib Dems are claiming the biggest swing to them against the Tories in 2 decades. – BTW, they appear to do things very slowly in Oxfordshire…
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Result coming now0
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17313 Tory Candidate0
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Labour 57650
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UKIP 1354
Loony 1290 -
LD 116110
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As we thought. Safe hold.0
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LD 11611
Lab 5765
Jug 59
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Brandon Lewis MP Verified account @BrandonLewis 2m2 minutes ago
Labour fall backwards in Witney & Ukip crash to 5th place behind Green Party.
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LD cheering not proportional to their share
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Con maj = 5,7020
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Over 5,000 majority wins with Ladbrokes then.0
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Greens beat UKIP by 9 votes.0
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Tory majority cut from 25,155 to 5,702. Labour vote was 63 votes higher than Tory majority.0
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Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
Witney result:
CON: 45.1% (-15.1)
LDEM: 30.2% (+23.5)
LAB: 15.0% (-2.2)
GRN: 3.5% (-1.5)
UKIP: 3.5% (-5.6)
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Con 43 LD 29 Lab14?0
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