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https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/789111351541059584
If we assume that the difference between the figures for 2015 and current Labour voters - 14% - represents the proportion of Labour's 2015 vote that has deserted to stay-at-home or other parties, then this would put their true current Westminster VI score at just a shade over 26%. Curiously enough, this is 3% below the 29% average of Labour support in all recent polls - the same polls that also counted Lab 3% too high and Con 3% too low in 2015.
I'm therefore guessing that the current national voting intention is about Con 43%, Lab 26%. The most recent polls suggest that Ukip's support *may* be starting to soften, to the Tories' benefit - which could easily get them over the 45% mark - but it's still too early to tell whether or not this is likely to be a genuine, developing trend.0 -
Thanks. I am fairly sure we haven't got either of those stores near us. Shame, otherwise it would save me 57p a week.madasafish said:
B&M or Home Bargains.HurstLlama said:
@Madasafish
Where do I get them at 50p each, please? In my local sweetshop they are 69p. I buy three every Sunday morning for Herself.0 -
Of course, this theory also implies that, were Corbyn to fall under a bus and be replaced by someone more moderate and credible, Labour might be able to recover to at least 30% quite quickly, and would be back in the game (although that doesn't take into account any lasting reputational damage that the lurch to the Left might have caused amongst certain elements of their old core vote.)Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/789111351541059584
If we assume that the difference between the figures for 2015 and current Labour voters - 14% - represents the proportion of Labour's 2015 vote that has deserted to stay-at-home or other parties, then this would put their true current Westminster VI score at just a shade over 26%. Curiously enough, this is 3% below the 29% average of Labour support in all recent polls - the same polls that also counted Lab 3% too high and Con 3% too low in 2015.
I'm therefore guessing that the current national voting intention is about Con 43%, Lab 26%. The most recent polls suggest that Ukip's support *may* be starting to soften, to the Tories' benefit - which could easily get them over the 45% mark - but it's still too early to tell whether or not this is likely to be a genuine, developing trend.0 -
Um, seriously, what's the alternative as a means of discovering who has already voted?david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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To be fair to David Cameron he was set up to fail by the die-hard wing of his party who made a big play about renegotiating with the EU a couple of years back. Cameron walked into their trap by agreeing to renegotiation on their terms rather than arguing for the EU from first principles.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The article states that Cameron and co knew this was not a good deal. So why trigger the referendum 18 months before the self imposed deadline? Cameron could have let the French and German elections take place and then see what the deal was in autumn of 2017.AnneJGP said:
Yes, you did. Having read that article I am even more puzzled over why Mr Cameron thought it a good idea for the UK to Remain. I can understand much clearly why he resigned, though.Richard_Nabavi said:
I did point this out here at the time, but no-one believed me. My information came from someone in the No 10 team that I happened, quite by chance, to sit next to at a dinner.AnneJGP said:I hadn't realised how much effort went into Mr Cameron's re-negotiation.
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But I understand that the Conservatives are telling at some polling stations. I infer that they still believe in doing this, everywhere that they can, but are just not up to it.david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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Well a hard brexit doesn't necessarily mean crashing out into WTO rules, it just means no single market. May could still push for a trade deal of sorts, while excluding single market and FoM, so there would be negotiations for that.BannedInParis said:
Yeah, surely, if they want a hard brexit, you go "oh, ok then"AnneJGP said:
Puzzled by that. If you're aiming for what you get by default, why negotiate hard? Or, indeed, at all?Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Translation typo - Hollande, 'I say to May firmly, if she wants a hard Brexit, negotiations will be hard'
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I believe Little Quitlers is the current Twitter-approved term.rural_voter said:
Well at least I can now accidentally launder my money; the £5 in my pocket will still be worth £5.MarqueeMark said:
The three-fingered KitKat? Giving the finger to Brexit?Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
They could just make KitKats smaller. Like Carney did with his rubbish new fivers.
Why do we dignify the term Brexit & call the group which makes up ~30% of Parliament Brexiteers? It makes it sound positive/adventurous? They're Leavers, i.e. as in 'quitters'.0 -
American political parties aren't membership organizations like British ones. You can't be "expelled" from one as you can't "join" one in the first place. Most, but not all, states allow voters to register as supporters of a particular party: in states with closed primaries this is what decides which primary you get to vote in.Dromedary said:
Expel him from the party?rottenborough said:
How are the GOP elite going to stop him running in 2020?619 said:
Yup, I thought it deserved a joke!GeoffM said:
LOL much appreciated TSETheScreamingEagles said:
Yup.GeoffM said:
Won't they have missed the thing by a few weeks on the 28th?619 said:
More importantly, do they include the Shy WWC Trumpers nodding along to all his pro racism and sexual assault platform, waiting to all come out on November 28th?Jobabob said:Do the turnout bars above include the lizards or are they hidden from official totals?
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/donald-trump-tells-supporters-to-vote-november-28-election-day-trump-university-fraud-trial
Also, Trump was up at 3 am again...
“Just landed in Ohio. Thank you America- I am honored to win the final debate for our MOVEMENT,” Trump tweeted
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-3-am-tweet-third-debate-230078#ixzz4Ncu4gVC1
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Such referendums as have been offered (e.g. on the European Constitution) suggest otherwise.taffys said:''I wouldn't be at all sure of that. No reason to suppose that other EU voters don't at least share a similar mindset to the politicians they elect. ''
you may well be right. Plenty of exciting elections ahead for us to find out!
As recently as the 2010 election, UKIP only polled 3%. Indeed, it was only in 2012 that they took off. For all that Britain had long had a Eurosceptic attitude, to those only paying cursory attention, outright withdrawalism would have looked like a minority opinion.0 -
Mr. Divvie, I don't think that's a nice way to describe the SNP and Yes supporters generally.0
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Surprised he didn't blame it on the dog, that is what he usually does right?0 -
Did someone else give his 2013 speech or did he? Cameron's fall wasn't set up by anyone other than himself.FF43 said:
To be fair to David Cameron he was set up to fail by the die-hard wing of his party who made a big play about renegotiating with the EU a couple of years back. Cameron walked into their trap by agreeing to renegotiation on their terms rather than arguing for the EU from first principles.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The article states that Cameron and co knew this was not a good deal. So why trigger the referendum 18 months before the self imposed deadline? Cameron could have let the French and German elections take place and then see what the deal was in autumn of 2017.AnneJGP said:
Yes, you did. Having read that article I am even more puzzled over why Mr Cameron thought it a good idea for the UK to Remain. I can understand much clearly why he resigned, though.Richard_Nabavi said:
I did point this out here at the time, but no-one believed me. My information came from someone in the No 10 team that I happened, quite by chance, to sit next to at a dinner.AnneJGP said:I hadn't realised how much effort went into Mr Cameron's re-negotiation.
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rottenborough said:
There was a bigger ("monster") vote seen (not "say" but "saw") in the Primaries which isn't being picked up by polls.rottenborough said:
surely to, though? If we rock up and say "we want the hardest Brexit just wto" there aren't many negotiations at all? Unless they are going to try to force us to accept concessions?rcs1000 said:
He forgot the key words "with my successor"Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Translation typo - Hollande, 'I say to May firmly, if she wants a hard Brexit, negotiations will be hard'
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Mr Corbyn being replaced by someone more moderate and credible is getting increasingly unlikely as the Labour selectorate changes, though, isn't it?Black_Rook said:
Of course, this theory also implies that, were Corbyn to fall under a bus and be replaced by someone more moderate and credible, Labour might be able to recover to at least 30% quite quickly, and would be back in the game (although that doesn't take into account any lasting reputational damage that the lurch to the Left might have caused amongst certain elements of their old core vote.)Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/789111351541059584
If we assume that the difference between the figures for 2015 and current Labour voters - 14% - represents the proportion of Labour's 2015 vote that has deserted to stay-at-home or other parties, then this would put their true current Westminster VI score at just a shade over 26%. Curiously enough, this is 3% below the 29% average of Labour support in all recent polls - the same polls that also counted Lab 3% too high and Con 3% too low in 2015.
I'm therefore guessing that the current national voting intention is about Con 43%, Lab 26%. The most recent polls suggest that Ukip's support *may* be starting to soften, to the Tories' benefit - which could easily get them over the 45% mark - but it's still too early to tell whether or not this is likely to be a genuine, developing trend.0 -
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Oh, my sides.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, I don't think that's a nice way to describe the SNP and Yes supporters generally.
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Mr. Divvie, you complain that leaving a union is worthy of describing its supporters as 'Little Quitlers', yet are upset at the suggestion that some might describe supporters of leaving a union as 'Little Quitlers'. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.0
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TBH I think Hollande was wibbling. The original French is as meaningless as the translation: "Madame Theresa May veut un Brexit dur, la négociation sera dure", i.e "Mrs Theresa May wants a hard Brexit, the negotiation will be hard".Charles said:surely to, though? If we rock up and say "we want the hardest Brexit just wto" there aren't many negotiations at all? Unless they are going to try to force us to accept concessions?
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Are you sure he didn't mean "with her cabinet"?rcs1000 said:
He forgot the key words "with my successor"Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Translation typo - Hollande, 'I say to May firmly, if she wants a hard Brexit, negotiations will be hard'
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Ah, we can agree on this.Indigo said:
The remarkable thing (or perhaps not in the light of that article) is how little he came back with given all the effort expended. Personally I would have hoped a statesman of his statue, with the advisors at his disposal, would have been aware of what was possible (in broad terms) before going into the negotiation, but there seems to have been a complete lack of real understanding on both sides. Basically, WTF have the FCO been doing for the last 40 years that they didn't know what was possible, it is kind of their job!Richard_Nabavi said:
I did point this out here at the time, but no-one believed me. My information came from someone in the No 10 team that I happened, quite by chance, to sit next to at a dinner.AnneJGP said:I hadn't realised how much effort went into Mr Cameron's re-negotiation.
When I criticise Cameron for lack of effort, I don't mean he was physically listless, slumped at home in front of a PlayStation.
I mean, he failed to do the mental homework - along with his team - on what was possible, and how best to achieve it. That goes for the whole govt machine, including the FCO, but presumably he and the Number 10 team have to take responsibility for the absolute incoherence of it all.0 -
An explanation rather than an endorsement. Politicians try to catch each other out all the time. And not just those in the opposing party. David Cameron should have avoided the trap his fellow party members set for him.HurstLlama said:
Did someone else give his 2013 speech or did he? Cameron's fall wasn't set up by anyone other than himself.FF43 said:
To be fair to David Cameron he was set up to fail by the die-hard wing of his party who made a big play about renegotiating with the EU a couple of years back. Cameron walked into their trap by agreeing to renegotiation on their terms rather than arguing for the EU from first principles.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The article states that Cameron and co knew this was not a good deal. So why trigger the referendum 18 months before the self imposed deadline? Cameron could have let the French and German elections take place and then see what the deal was in autumn of 2017.AnneJGP said:
Yes, you did. Having read that article I am even more puzzled over why Mr Cameron thought it a good idea for the UK to Remain. I can understand much clearly why he resigned, though.Richard_Nabavi said:
I did point this out here at the time, but no-one believed me. My information came from someone in the No 10 team that I happened, quite by chance, to sit next to at a dinner.AnneJGP said:I hadn't realised how much effort went into Mr Cameron's re-negotiation.
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I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time:
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I merely pointed out what was being said on Twitter, you leapt on it as though someone had piddled on an ancestor's' grave: obviously a sensitive area.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you complain that leaving a union is worthy of describing its supporters as 'Little Quitlers', yet are upset at the suggestion that some might describe supporters of leaving a union as 'Little Quitlers'. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
I'd assume the term refers to the triumphalist attitude of some of your Leave bruderschaft stomping around telling 'remoaners' to suck it up, and starting petitions demanding prosecutions for insufficient patriotism.0 -
Although if you imagine him saying it with a leer and a thick accent it's like something Owen Smith would sayRichard_Nabavi said:
TBH I think Hollande was wibbling. The original French is as meaningless as the translation: "Madame Theresa May veut un Brexit dur, la négociation sera dure", i.e "Mrs Theresa May wants a hard Brexit, the negotiation will be hard".Charles said:surely to, though? If we rock up and say "we want the hardest Brexit just wto" there aren't many negotiations at all? Unless they are going to try to force us to accept concessions?
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Why do you need to know? Just blanket-contact your pledge base. No-one needs lifts to the polling station these days.JohnO said:
Um, seriously, what's the alternative as a means of discovering who has already voted?david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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Post of the thread.HurstLlama said:
In defence of the FCO (not something that you will hear me say often), you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. To put it bluntly you can put up papers but you can't make a minister read them or actually take any notice if he/she does. Politicians have a long history of ignoring any advice that doesn't accord with their view, particularly in the Defence and Overseas policy arena.Indigo said:
The remarkable thing (or perhaps not in the light of that article) is how little he came back with given all the effort expended. Personally I would have hoped a statesman of his statue, with the advisors at his disposal, would have been aware of what was possible (in broad terms) before going into the negotiation, but there seems to have been a complete lack of real understanding on both sides. Basically, WTF have the FCO been doing for the last 40 years that they didn't know what was possible, it is kind of their job!Richard_Nabavi said:
I did point this out here at the time, but no-one believed me. My information came from someone in the No 10 team that I happened, quite by chance, to sit next to at a dinner.AnneJGP said:I hadn't realised how much effort went into Mr Cameron's re-negotiation.
Then there is the issue, as that paper makes clear, of the power of the SpAds to control, or at least direct, the thinking of senior ministers. SpAds tend to be young, jolly clever (at least in their own estimation) but very loyal to their minister. Cameron was one himself. So you get young, clever people who have little experience or real understanding of issues and people effectively controlling government decisions.
The result of the referendum was, I think, set before Cameron came to office, probably before he became an MP. The power of that essay is not that it exposes the corrupt nature of the EU (who knew that Juncker's chief of staff had so much power) but that it provides an expose on the machinations of government today and how fecking useless our politicians actually are.
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Sounds to me as though the meaning is much more colloquial: "If Mrs May wants it hard, she'll get it hard", or something similar.Richard_Nabavi said:
TBH I think Hollande was wibbling. The original French is as meaningless as the translation: "Madame Theresa May veut un Brexit dur, la négociation sera dure", i.e "Mrs Theresa May wants a hard Brexit, the negotiation will be hard".Charles said:surely to, though? If we rock up and say "we want the hardest Brexit just wto" there aren't many negotiations at all? Unless they are going to try to force us to accept concessions?
(Edited to add: "wants to play hard-ball" sort of thing)0 -
You can't really defend people who call Pinocchio on the basis that Hillary didn't use chemicals to delete her emails because BleachBit is a piece of software.AlastairMeeks said:I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time
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Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.0 -
Well since trust in the media is running at 32% this is hardly unexpected - all it shows is that the Democrats are brainwashed into not looking for the information themselves.AlastairMeeks said:I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time:
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@faisalislam: in Brussels Lab leader @jeremycorbyn has just told me he is inviting some European leaders for a Brexit summit in February, weeks before a500
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Blanket contact your pledge base how many times throughout the day?david_herdson said:
Why do you need to know? Just blanket-contact your pledge base. No-one needs lifts to the polling station these days.JohnO said:
Um, seriously, what's the alternative as a means of discovering who has already voted?david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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Mr. Jonnie, not necessarily brainwashing. People often believe what they want to believe, then rationalise it afterwards.0
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Yes, don't confuse them with the facts!AlastairMeeks said:I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time:
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Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Yanis Varoufakis and José Bové?Scott_P said:@faisalislam: in Brussels Lab leader @jeremycorbyn has just told me he is inviting some European leaders for a Brexit summit in February, weeks before a50
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From what I've read on here, the fact-checking is done mainly by Democrat supporters on what Mr Trump says; very little, the other way. If that's so, the figures are hardly surprising.weejonnie said:
Well since trust in the media is running at 32% this is hardly unexpected - all it shows is that the Democrats are brainwashed into not looking for the information themselves.AlastairMeeks said:I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time:
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One is fine (and in most elections, once is as much as could be done anyway, even without committing people to telling). The amount of time you'd save in stripping out a few on the fly would be more than spent up-front getting the info.logical_song said:
Blanket contact your pledge base how many times throughout the day?david_herdson said:
Why do you need to know? Just blanket-contact your pledge base. No-one needs lifts to the polling station these days.JohnO said:
Um, seriously, what's the alternative as a means of discovering who has already voted?david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.0 -
Oh absolutely. I was just saying...AnneJGP said:
Mr Corbyn being replaced by someone more moderate and credible is getting increasingly unlikely as the Labour selectorate changes, though, isn't it?Black_Rook said:
Of course, this theory also implies that, were Corbyn to fall under a bus and be replaced by someone more moderate and credible, Labour might be able to recover to at least 30% quite quickly, and would be back in the game (although that doesn't take into account any lasting reputational damage that the lurch to the Left might have caused amongst certain elements of their old core vote.)Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/789111351541059584
If we assume that the difference between the figures for 2015 and current Labour voters - 14% - represents the proportion of Labour's 2015 vote that has deserted to stay-at-home or other parties, then this would put their true current Westminster VI score at just a shade over 26%. Curiously enough, this is 3% below the 29% average of Labour support in all recent polls - the same polls that also counted Lab 3% too high and Con 3% too low in 2015.
I'm therefore guessing that the current national voting intention is about Con 43%, Lab 26%. The most recent polls suggest that Ukip's support *may* be starting to soften, to the Tories' benefit - which could easily get them over the 45% mark - but it's still too early to tell whether or not this is likely to be a genuine, developing trend.0 -
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
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It appears the turnout at Witney is going to be pretty good for a by election. That would suggest quite a close result as the enthusuasm LOCALLY seems to be with the Lib Dems, (this is the first by election I can recall for years where they are getting cheers, waves and car drivers honking support).0
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Mr. Divvie, I'm merely perplexed by those who advocate Scottish independence as a good and noble thing, whilst suggesting the UK leaving the EU is due to wickedness, stupidity or petty nationalism. The two views do not necessarily appear to be bound together with reason.0
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What's this about? Is there any evidence she saw the questions in advance?619 said:0 -
Why? Surely this is the most Tory of shires.theakes said:It appears the turnout at Witney is going to be pretty good for a by election. That would suggest quite a close result as the enthusuasm LOCALLY seems to be with the Lib Dems, (this is the first by election I can recall for years where they are getting cheers, waves and car drivers honking support).
What's behind all this honking?
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<<La Brexitanie - Douze points!>>Pulpstar said:Does anyone have the original French of wht Hollande said ?
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The Treaty of Rome is a bit 1957, isn't it?david_herdson said:
Polling station telling is a bit 1958, isn't it?PClipp said:
Brisk voting looks to me like a high level of enthusiasm - something which I would not associate with the Conservative Party in its present shambolic and demoralised state. If they can`t even get people to man the polling stations.....rcs1000 said:
Brisk voting, one would think, would mean a comfortable Conservative hold. The LDs needed ultra low turnout to make a dent.El_Capitano said:Voting seems very brisk here in Witney. Our neighbourhood polling station is currently without a Conservative teller for the first time I can recall at any election, Westminster or local.
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I fell asleep during the Debate, around 2.30 am
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They'd be a cock-a-hoop. It would provide some evidence that left-leaning voters have forgiven them for the Coalition, and are prepared once again to vote Lib Dem to stop the Tories where Labour is presumed to be weak.logical_song said:Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics 6h6 hours ago Harrow, London
Here's a #Witney by-election prediction
47% Cons
30% Lib Dems
12% Lab
6% UKIP
LibDems would be pleased with that.
HOWEVER... it still does nothing to explain why on Earth they are flatlining in the national polls. Very strange. And by-elections are somewhat unreliable as indicators of performance in general elections, to put it mildly. Anyway, let's see what happens tonight...0 -
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
Believe in BRITAIN! Be LEAVE!
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619.
That graphic shows why the Repubs are doomed if Trump loses.
If they swing to a liberal Repub to attract minority voters, the base crumbles away. And as I said earlier, its a dog with different fleas.
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I think this is what they are whining aboutChris said:What's this about? Is there any evidence she saw the questions in advance?
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/7890830092657008650 -
Well, indeed. I do have some sympathy for the Lib Dems putting in a carnival effort and wanting to pretend that 2010-15 never existed. A decent result might remind people that they still exist. All the same, it looks to me as if Farron is determined to repeat all the Lib Dems' mistakes of the last 20 years that resulted in their near-annihilation. I'll probably say more on Saturday.Gardenwalker said:
Why? Surely this is the most Tory of shires.theakes said:It appears the turnout at Witney is going to be pretty good for a by election. That would suggest quite a close result as the enthusuasm LOCALLY seems to be with the Lib Dems, (this is the first by election I can recall for years where they are getting cheers, waves and car drivers honking support).
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post truth politics. The trumpters can't debate with facts, so they make them up, SAD!!weejonnie said:
Well since trust in the media is running at 32% this is hardly unexpected - all it shows is that the Democrats are brainwashed into not looking for the information themselves.AlastairMeeks said:I don't see what's surprising about this. We see this from pb's Trumpeters all the time:
https://twitter.com/JorgeGalindo/status/7888492923961671730 -
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
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Has it escaped your attention that France declared war on him in 1939?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
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@logical_song I'd be pleased with that too. I bought both the Lib Dems at 25 and the Conservatives at 45 on SPIN and I have a bet on Labour getting between 10 and 15%. That would be pretty much the perfect result for me.0
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It doesn't have to be a liberal, just not someone who is a massive racist like Trump.taffys said:619.
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No, but their so-called "offensive" on the Saar in Sept 1939 was a pathetically feeble gesture, especially given that the Wehrmacht was tied up in Poland.williamglenn said:
Has it escaped your attention that France declared war on him in 1939?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
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'It doesn't have to be a liberal, just not someone who is a massive racist like Trump.'
Or Romney, apparently!0 -
It seems some of the EU countries don't really believe that Brexit means Brexit, so they're saying things for their own electorate. After all, the usual default is to have another referendum until they get the right result.0
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The LibDems have saved only ONE deposit out of four Westminster by-elections so far this Parliament.
During the 2010-15 Parliament, they lost ELEVEN deposits from 19 contests.0 -
Looking forward to that.david_herdson said:
Well, indeed. I do have some sympathy for the Lib Dems putting in a carnival effort and wanting to pretend that 2010-15 never existed. A decent result might remind people that they still exist. All the same, it looks to me as if Farron is determined to repeat all the Lib Dems' mistakes of the last 20 years that resulted in their near-annihilation. I'll probably say more on Saturday.Gardenwalker said:
Why? Surely this is the most Tory of shires.theakes said:It appears the turnout at Witney is going to be pretty good for a by election. That would suggest quite a close result as the enthusuasm LOCALLY seems to be with the Lib Dems, (this is the first by election I can recall for years where they are getting cheers, waves and car drivers honking support).
What's behind all this honking?
I have much sympathy with the LDs, but am dubious about their comeback. Parish seats and even the odd by-election success are necessary but hardly a sufficient condition to regain some kind of relevance.0 -
I guess the British position now is to push for what Churchill always envisaged, which is an integrated United States Of Europe with the Britain on the outside.williamglenn said:Theresa May calls for united European foreign policy.
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Reuters:
"Trump accuser Karena Virginia said she was groped by Donald Trump at a U.S. Open event in Queens, New York in 1998."0 -
Taking over Vichy was a military necessity due to not having won the war. His plan for Europe is better exemplified in the fact that Vichy succeeded the Third Republic in the first place; France wasn't brought into the Reich (except for Alsace-Lorraine).Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
Believe in BRITAIN! Be LEAVE!
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Churchill said in his 1946 Zurich speech that:GIN1138 said:
I guess the British position now is to push for what Churchill always envisaged, which is an integrated United States Of Europe with the Britain on the outside.williamglenn said:Theresa May calls for united European foreign policy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37710786
"Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine."
Ergo, we must be FRIENDS of the new Europe, not PART of it.
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He envisaged an integrated United States of Europe as another superpower alongside the British Empire and the USA. His vision is completely irrelevant to today's world and he would have been horrified by the diminished position we are setting ourselves up for.GIN1138 said:
I guess the British position now is to push for what Churchill always envisaged, which is an integrated United States Of Europe with the Britain on the outside.williamglenn said:Theresa May calls for united European foreign policy.
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Yes, and they also established "forbidden zones" along the Atlantic coast and in eastern France where refugees weren't allowed to return to after the armistice. The eastern zone was the area Himmler (who even by Nazi standards was well past Plaistow) had plans to establish his "SS state". The actual occupation authorities on the ground had pretty much given up enforcing the return ban by the time the occupation was extended to all of France.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
Believe in BRITAIN! Be LEAVE!
Also, very late in 1944, by which time most of the territory concerned had been liberated, the Nazis established two Reichsgaue covering Belgium and Nord-Pas de Calais (which had been administered by the occupation authorities in Brussels since 1940) and annexed them to the Greater German Reich. Quite why they wasted time doing such administrivia while on the brink of defeat eludes me.
But the rest of France was always intended to be a puppet state and not annexed to the Reich.0 -
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Just watched the press conference of a Trump accuser. Sounds like boorish behaviour from Trump but the over-acting was a little too much. I expected her to have been living with sexual assault for the last twenty years.
And yes, there are degrees of sexual assault. When you equate a touch on the breast (through clothes) with causing mental misery for the last twenty years, something is wrong.
No sympathy for Trump but I suspect he'd have to be a miraculous memory man to even remember. So what's the defence?0 -
I was only troll..., er I ,mean teasing!david_herdson said:
Taking over Vichy was a military necessity due to not having won the war. His plan for Europe is better exemplified in the fact that Vichy succeeded the Third Republic in the first place; France wasn't brought into the Reich (except for Alsace-Lorraine).Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
Believe in BRITAIN! Be LEAVE!
rpjs is right: there was no Nazi plan for a single European state, not least because it would have run counter to Hitler's racial theories.
But the Reich did incorporate all or some of quite a number of present day EU member states:
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Larry Sabato on CNN forecasts Clinton 352 .. Trump 173 .. Toss-U- 13 :
Clinton takes Obama 12 except Iowa and Maine CD02, adds Arizona, North Carolina and Nebraska CD02. Utah, Iowa and Maine CD02 are Toss-Up :
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/0 -
To be fair, it's not like we were champing at the bit to go on the offensive and were held back by French dilatoriness either. I do feel that if we (the western allies) had fought for the Czechs in 1938 or actually gone on the offensive while the Wehrmacht were busy in Poland, Hitler would be just a historical footnote today.Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, but their so-called "offensive" on the Saar in Sept 1939 was a pathetically feeble gesture, especially given that the Wehrmacht was tied up in Poland.williamglenn said:
Has it escaped your attention that France declared war on him in 1939?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I'm sure German forces entered Paris, and reached as far southwest as Bordeaux in 1940, and then took over the free (Vichy) zone in late 1942, n'est-ce pas?rpjs said:
No he didn't. He had plans for a Greater Germanic Reich which would include all the Germanic language speaking countries (except for the British Isles) plus all the eastern territories he was trying to grab of course. Romance language speakers need not apply. (Well except for eastern "Burgundian" France which Himmler had his eye on for some sort of SS-state, but all the original French inhabitants would have been expelled first.)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European super-state.Theuniondivvie said:
It may surprise you that I don't have a recollection of all your expressed views, and tbh in this case it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to me making reference to Little Quitlers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, you might also recall I condemned that ridiculous petition, and the tone of the newspapers calling for people to be 'silenced'.
For someone who seemed upset, from memory, at the YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes nicknames [I only repeat them now for comparison's sake] and keen to leave a union, it seems a mite hypocritical to use Nazi-like comic terms to describe those keen to leave a union.
I have no problem with people using the terms YeSNP and Waffen Yes Yes, just the snivelling hypocrites who bridle when reminded that (in that case) as Unionists they were fellow travellers with the BNP, NF, Britain First and holocaust deniers. They also seem to be precisely the types who whip themselves into a snowflakey rage at the mention of xenophobes, Little Englanders, and newly added to the list, Little Quitlers.
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Mr Borough,
"Reuters reporting another woman has come forward about Trump and groping."
He touched her arm and the inside of her breast (through clothes) in 1998. So traumatic she burst into tears at the press conference. This was in public so I'm not sure how the French would treat it.
Sarkozy had better beware.0 -
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"Vote Trump, get Bush"rottenborough said:
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Clinton's team must be starting to panic that the idea this is completely over will depress turn-out. They are going to need some really solid GOTV on the day.JackW said:Larry Sabato on CNN forecasts Clinton 352 .. Trump 173 .. Toss-U- 13 :
Clinton takes Obama 12 except Iowa and Maine CD02, adds Arizona, North Carolina and Nebraska CD02. Utah, Iowa and Maine CD02 are Toss-Up :
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/0 -
Trump went for a forehand winner ?!? ....rottenborough said:Reuters:
"Trump accuser Karena Virginia said she was groped by Donald Trump at a U.S. Open event in Queens, New York in 1998." 0 -
An interesting read on the Brexit effects on London property;
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-property-london-idUKKCN12K1QO?il=0
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Frightening.Scott_P said:
I think this is what they are whining aboutChris said:What's this about? Is there any evidence she saw the questions in advance?
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/7890830092657008650 -
Gardenwalker: suiggest you get out of the garden and onto the street!!!!0
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Too many unforced errors creeping in.JackW said:
Trump went for a forehand winner ?!? ....rottenborough said:Reuters:
"Trump accuser Karena Virginia said she was groped by Donald Trump at a U.S. Open event in Queens, New York in 1998."0 -
Le, Brexit is masculine remember...Sunil_Prasannan said:
<<La Brexitanie - Douze points!>>Pulpstar said:Does anyone have the original French of wht Hollande said ?
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Brexitanie is a country!brokenwheel said:
Le, Brexit is masculine remember...Sunil_Prasannan said:
<<La Brexitanie - Douze points!>>Pulpstar said:Does anyone have the original French of wht Hollande said ?
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I think without some form of PR and related reform no other party will regain much kind of relevance! The SNP in Scotland and the Tories in England will prosper from their votes being concentrated but not piled up too badly in safe seats. Labour will lose 'voting efficiency' due to southern marginals slowly going Tory, Scottish 'problems' and being unable to get much above 30%.Gardenwalker said:
Looking forward to that.david_herdson said:
Well, indeed. I do have some sympathy for the Lib Dems putting in a carnival effort and wanting to pretend that 2010-15 never existed. A decent result might remind people that they still exist. All the same, it looks to me as if Farron is determined to repeat all the Lib Dems' mistakes of the last 20 years that resulted in their near-annihilation. I'll probably say more on Saturday.Gardenwalker said:
Why? Surely this is the most Tory of shires.theakes said:It appears the turnout at Witney is going to be pretty good for a by election. That would suggest quite a close result as the enthusuasm LOCALLY seems to be with the Lib Dems, (this is the first by election I can recall for years where they are getting cheers, waves and car drivers honking support).
What's behind all this honking?
I have much sympathy with the LDs, but am dubious about their comeback. Parish seats and even the odd by-election success are necessary but hardly a sufficient condition to regain some kind of relevance.
Conceivably, 30,000 people in about 50 seats could determine what govt. we get. That's comparable to the population of Malvern.0 -
Is that a lizard I spot on her lecturn??????Chris said:
Frightening.Scott_P said:
I think this is what they are whining aboutChris said:What's this about? Is there any evidence she saw the questions in advance?
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/7890830092657008650 -
Nick Clegg came across as borderline deranged on the Daily Politics. Tries to argue that voters were not aware that Brexit meant leaving the single market only for the BBC to play him a clip of David Cameron, George Osborne, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Andrea Leadsom claiming that it would.
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I think the point is that he does it all the time. ( as he admitted to doing). So he has no defence. He can't say he brags about it, but all the women coming forward now are liars. Hence him losing women voters.CD13 said:Just watched the press conference of a Trump accuser. Sounds like boorish behaviour from Trump but the over-acting was a little too much. I expected her to have been living with sexual assault for the last twenty years.
And yes, there are degrees of sexual assault. When you equate a touch on the breast (through clothes) with causing mental misery for the last twenty years, something is wrong.
No sympathy for Trump but I suspect he'd have to be a miraculous memory man to even remember. So what's the defence?0 -
Yes, we will soon be moving into the reverse ramping phase – scare postings from Dems and 'leaked' rumours of tight polls.rottenborough said:
Clinton's team must be starting to panic that the idea this is completely over will depress turn-out. They are going to need some really solid GOTV on the day.JackW said:Larry Sabato on CNN forecasts Clinton 352 .. Trump 173 .. Toss-U- 13 :
Clinton takes Obama 12 except Iowa and Maine CD02, adds Arizona, North Carolina and Nebraska CD02. Utah, Iowa and Maine CD02 are Toss-Up :
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/with-19-days-to-go-clintons-lead-is-bigger-than-ever/0 -
Millions of Trump supporters now believe that blue rays come out of Hillary Clinton's eyes.Jobabob said:
Is that a lizard I spot on her lecturn??????Chris said:
Frightening.Scott_P said:
I think this is what they are whining aboutChris said:What's this about? Is there any evidence she saw the questions in advance?
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/7890830092657008650 -
The UK was in no position to go to war in 1938 and in 1939 the situation was barely that much better. The idea that the UK and France could have conducted and offensive war against Germany in either year is laughable. There were not the troops, the aircraft, the logistics and, especially, not the mindset to do any such thing.rpjs said:
To be fair, it's not like we were champing at the bit to go on the offensive and were held back by French dilatoriness either. I do feel that if we (the western allies) had fought for the Czechs in 1938 or actually gone on the offensive while the Wehrmacht were busy in Poland, Hitler would be just a historical footnote today.
Perhaps there should have been but that is a different argument and one which should mostly be directed at Paris.0 -
London effectively joins forces with Sturgeon in advocating regional visas.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-cityoflondon-idUKKCN12K15F?il=0
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whats the excitement ?Richard_Nabavi said:
TBH I think Hollande was wibbling. The original French is as meaningless as the translation: "Madame Theresa May veut un Brexit dur, la négociation sera dure", i.e "Mrs Theresa May wants a hard Brexit, the negotiation will be hard".Charles said:surely to, though? If we rock up and say "we want the hardest Brexit just wto" there aren't many negotiations at all? Unless they are going to try to force us to accept concessions?
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I have money on them retaining their deposit this time aroundSunil_Prasannan said:The LibDems have saved only ONE deposit out of four Westminster by-elections so far this Parliament.
During the 2010-15 Parliament, they lost ELEVEN deposits from 19 contests. 0
