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I'm glad to hear that this bizarre Stockholm syndrome is limited to a minority of right wing women, then.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The right wing women in my life get treated like queens and princesses and know where to deliver a verbal or physical blow if any scumbags take liberties.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.0 -
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.0 -
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But will she act quickly enough on the GE? She does seem to struggle thinking through the political strategy required to seize the initiative. Seems to prefer reacting to events.chestnut said:
Of course. He speaks the truth.TCPoliticalBetting said:May be a hard Brexit is inevitable?
George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton
EU president Donald Tusk: “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit." Europe's political priority is to avoid "soft" deal.
There is Real Brexit or eternal subservience.
I suspect that May will win a very substantial majority on a platform of Real Brexit in a general election next year. I also suspect that she is going to do things much more sharply than either the EU or SNP will be able to cope with. There is little point giving the initiative to them.
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Post debate and pre gropegate.JackW said:Nevada - Public Opinion Strategies - Sample 600 - 11-12 Oct
Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/heck-hanging-onto-lead-trump-falling-behind-in-new-gop-poll0 -
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.0 -
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
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FFS...it appears the powers that be f##ked the procedure to ban these two from teaching.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3836622/Two-teachers-Trojan-horse-school-allowed-classrooms.html0 -
I keep meaning to write a series of Python scripts to do real time inflation tracking. You could look at 100 products at five on-line supermarkets (and Amazon) and see how prices are trending on a day by day basis.Casino_Royale said:I see "marmitegate" has resolved itself in barely 24 hours:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-376502340 -
Marmite isn't even the hors d'oeuvres.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure it won't stopCasino_Royale said:I see "marmitegate" has resolved itself in barely 24 hours:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234Fasal IslamScottP (re)tweeting about it.
We have three years of this nonsense.0 -
Latest 538 Projections - Clinton - Trump
Now Cast - 90.7 .. 9.3
Polls Only - 87.0 .. 13.0
Polls Plus - 84.3 .. 15.7
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You are actually one step behind. Keep up! The step being the carefully laid trap in the debate where his denial of acting out his sexual domination fantasy has turned out to be a massive lie.Speedy said:Oh how wrong you are OGH.
Only the Suffolk, North Carolina poll was done after the debate, you have to look at the date of the surveys.
Using only the national polls done after the debate it's an average Hillary lead nationally of 3.6%.
She is leading by 2 in N.Carolina, by 3 in Florida by 2 on average in Nevada, all consistent with a national lead for Hillary of around 4 points.
You are behind the curve, the debate did wonders for Trump and cancelled the Tape.
The effect on the polls is emerging and will feed through over the weekend.
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I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.0 -
You are clearly blissfully unaware of the problems women have had with leftie parties such as the lib Dems and the socialist workers party.Freggles said:
I'm glad to hear that this bizarre Stockholm syndrome is limited to a minority of right wing women, then.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The right wing women in my life get treated like queens and princesses and know where to deliver a verbal or physical blow if any scumbags take liberties.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
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First is not something right wing women have defended it is something some women have. Just as some women have defended the left's repeated misogyny.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
Second I don't get the reference of but seems an unfortunate story many with teenagers can relate to. Conversely there's the other relatable story that Flora turned into their famous "wrestling" ad. I fail to see how this is political.
Third is alleged university hijinks. Yes fairly normal and with no assault and in fact no women involved at all. So fail to see how that matters at all to women.
On the other side you have parties that have never had female leaders and regularly have gender segregation in political rallies. That's infinitely worse than any alleged hijinks.0 -
Labour are a mess, doesn't make Trump any more acceptablebrokenwheel said:
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.0 -
Costco is probably the best tracker of base price, as they have a pretty much blanket policy of cost + 15% approach to pricing, rather than supermarkets that are constantly running loss leaders, 2 for 1s etc.rcs1000 said:
I keep meaning to write a series of Python scripts to do real time inflation tracking. You could look at 100 products at five on-line supermarkets (and Amazon) and see how prices are trending on a day by day basis.Casino_Royale said:I see "marmitegate" has resolved itself in barely 24 hours:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234
Thus, pricing in there is very sensitive to changes. It is already noticeable, especially food source from the US.0 -
I'm not sure that's true - inflation has been stubbornly too low for years. So even if the Leave vote was the spark that caused inflation to rise, something following a Remain vote would still have triggered the same thing. You sound like Gordon Brown saying "it started in America".Monksfield said:We are going to have inflation and ordinary people will suffer most. The inflation is being driven by Brexit.
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I was under the impression that the A50 negotiations were just about formalising the divorce, who pay the rent on the TV, that sort of stuff. There may be a separate trade negotiation with the EU, but I was under the impression that was under a separate cover and could not be started until the A50 talks were complete. Conversely we cannot legally start trade talks with any other country until we have left the EU, so the faster we get out the door the faster we can start talking with australia, new zealand, canada etc. Obviously there is a balance to be struck here.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes absolutely there is because we will get a hard Brexit with some form of trade deal. No negotiations and we get no deal at all.Indigo said:
Think I might have mentioned it once of twice over the past six monthsTCPoliticalBetting said:May be a hard Brexit is inevitable?
George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton
EU president Donald Tusk: “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit." Europe's political priority is to avoid "soft" deal. At this stage and after the promises made at the CPC the "No BrExit" option would result in pitchforks in the street which means eventually it's hard BrExit. That being the case is there any merit in pissing around with it for two years ?0 -
There was no such rhetoric from ministers.Jonathan said:The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies [...] need to stop.
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I hope the bruising wasn't too severe.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The right wing women in my life get treated like queens and princesses and know where to deliver a verbal or physical blow if any scumbags take liberties.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.0 -
An ex-colleague of mine, who's been a major Republican donor and strident supporter on Facebook (against the tide of many Dems!), wrote a long piece about how she could not support Trump. I doubt she'll vote for Hillary, the question is whether she'll go down to the polling booth to vote for the downticket Republicans.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
(She's in NJ.)0 -
You mean like UKIP and their fellow-travellers blamed everything on the EU prior to June 23rd? You'd better get used to it, it is going to get a lot lot worse.ThreeQuidder said:
We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.0 -
Quite, they should be able to work out for themselves.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.0 -
How does the SNP currently square the economic circle of arguing that Single Market access (to the EU) is of fundamental importance to Scotland (and the UK), but Single Market access (to the UK) is not fundamentally important to Scotland? Aren't all economic arguments about the UK and the EU, magnified in relation to Scotland's and the UK several fold?0
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You were the one trying to make out it is some kind of left/right issue, I was just pointing out that is nonsense. Besides in many ways Trump isn't "right wing" by many usual definitions of the term, he's closer to (but I hate the term) "populist".Freggles said:
Labour are a mess, doesn't make Trump any more acceptablebrokenwheel said:
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.0 -
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
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What a bunch of drama queens.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
Very few people see the EU as our lifeline, just that it was better for us to be a voluntary member of a club, abide by its rules which we helped to formulate, and benefit greatly thereby.
Of course some of it is quite nuanced and therefore I wouldn't expect everyone to understand those benefits. No offence.
I don't think it's a calamity. I view Brexit just as I would and have a Labour Party GE victory. A shame and bad for the country but we will get by and most people won't notice that they are worse off.
Of course in this case we have the phantom "sovereignty" card that the winners also play which contributes to their clouded judgement.0 -
Isnt it a bit ironic to talk about the shamelessness of right-wing women in the same week as we get the new Shadow Attorney General voting in favour of the snoopers charter.brokenwheel said:
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.0 -
I see Tusk has suggested it's hard Brexit or no Brexit. Although in its way a reflection of our own hardline stance, this doesn't seem helpful.
Ultimately we need an agreement to work together, not a beggar thy neighbour policy.0 -
No Article 50 vaguely describes negotiating the future relationship between the EU and the departing nation. If the future relationship is a trade deal it makes sense to negotiate that during the A50 window so we don't end up in WTO limbo between EU membership and the new deal being agreed.Indigo said:
I was under the impression that the A50 negotiations were just about formalising the divorce, who pay the rent on the TV, that sort of stuff. There may be a separate trade negotiation with the EU, but I was under the impression that was under a separate cover and could not be started until the A50 talks were complete. Conversely we cannot legally start trade talks with any other country until we have left the EU, so the faster we get out the door the faster we can start talking with australia, new zealand, canada etc. Obviously there is a balance to be struck here.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes absolutely there is because we will get a hard Brexit with some form of trade deal. No negotiations and we get no deal at all.Indigo said:
Think I might have mentioned it once of twice over the past six monthsTCPoliticalBetting said:May be a hard Brexit is inevitable?
George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton
EU president Donald Tusk: “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit." Europe's political priority is to avoid "soft" deal. At this stage and after the promises made at the CPC the "No BrExit" option would result in pitchforks in the street which means eventually it's hard BrExit. That being the case is there any merit in pissing around with it for two years ?0 -
It is correct that 'divorce' and trade discussion agreements are separate. However, they will be parallel discussions because they have bearing on each other.Indigo said:
I was under the impression that the A50 negotiations were just about formalising the divorce, who pay the rent on the TV, that sort of stuff. There may be a separate trade negotiation with the EU, but I was under the impression that was under a separate cover and could not be started until the A50 talks were complete. Conversely we cannot legally start trade talks with any other country until we have left the EU, so the faster we get out the door the faster we can start talking with australia, new zealand, canada etc. Obviously there is a balance to be struck here.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes absolutely there is because we will get a hard Brexit with some form of trade deal. No negotiations and we get no deal at all.Indigo said:
Think I might have mentioned it once of twice over the past six monthsTCPoliticalBetting said:May be a hard Brexit is inevitable?
George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton
EU president Donald Tusk: “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit." Europe's political priority is to avoid "soft" deal. At this stage and after the promises made at the CPC the "No BrExit" option would result in pitchforks in the street which means eventually it's hard BrExit. That being the case is there any merit in pissing around with it for two years ?0 -
That is about the same economic effect as a Labour GE victory...JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
As an aside, it is worth remembering that the EU's EUR20bn bill for Britain's future liabilities is largely an attempt to neutralise the UK's inevitable demand that is owed 14% of the EU's net assets, our share of which (at face value, which may be optimistic given some of it is Greek government bonds) is nust north of EUR30bn.0
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It wasn't marybeth, was it?rcs1000 said:
An ex-colleague of mine, who's been a major Republican donor and strident supporter on Facebook (against the tide of many Dems!), wrote a long piece about how she could not support Trump. I doubt she'll vote for Hillary, the question is whether she'll go down to the polling booth to vote for the downticket Republicans.Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
(She's in NJ.)0 -
Few right wingers on this site do regard Trump's behaviour as acceptable.Freggles said:
Labour are a mess, doesn't make Trump any more acceptablebrokenwheel said:
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
Misogyny can be found just as much on the left as the right, as MP's like Ruth Smeeth, Charlotte Leslie, and Esther McVey will testify.0 -
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Yes, indeed.OllyT said:
You mean like UKIP and their fellow-travellers blamed everything on the EU prior to June 23rd? You'd better get used to it, it is going to get a lot lot worse.ThreeQuidder said:
We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.
Most sensible people will, of course, ignore it just like they ignored that.0 -
Only if it is Labour circa 1983 or indeed 2016.Indigo said:
That is about the same economic effect as a Labour GE victory...JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil
The media went mad on the Marmite non-story today. It needs to lie down in a dark room and ponder, before making the same mistake again.0 -
Clinton's chances of winning some key states, per Pollster model:
PA/CO 98%
NH 95%
WI 93%
FL 89%
OH 80%
NV/NC 67%0 -
Or late era Gordon Brown.Gardenwalker said:
Only if it is Labour circa 1983 or indeed 2016.Indigo said:
That is about the same economic effect as a Labour GE victory...JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
Oh come off it. I may have been engaging in hyperbole but divide and rule has been UK policy for centuries in Europe - and we allied with Stalin who makes Putin look like a pussycat.Gardenwalker said:
I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.0 -
Ah didn't see that. Yes exactly. As I said above: just like a Labour victory. Brexit is just like a Labour victory.Indigo said:
That is about the same economic effect as a Labour GE victory...JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
I really don't need to fill in the details of how that plays out in any number of ways.0 -
Or early era Gordon Brown.Indigo said:
Or late era Gordon Brown.Gardenwalker said:
Only if it is Labour circa 1983 or indeed 2016.Indigo said:
That is about the same economic effect as a Labour GE victory...JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
Brexit of course leaves the continent less divided than ever. Oops.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Oh come off it. I may have been engaging in hyperbole but divide and rule has been UK policy for centuries in Europe - and we allied with Stalin who makes Putin look like a pussycat.Gardenwalker said:
I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.0 -
Yes and that point seems to be overlooked in the recent FT article AFAIK. Odd that hacks do this in what is supposed to be a paper aiming to inform.rcs1000 said:As an aside, it is worth remembering that the EU's EUR20bn bill for Britain's future liabilities is largely an attempt to neutralise the UK's inevitable demand that is owed 14% of the EU's net assets, our share of which (at face value, which may be optimistic given some of it is Greek government bonds) is nust north of EUR30bn.
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Tim late of this parish used to call him " Scot n'paste"TCPoliticalBetting said:FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure it won't stopCasino_Royale said:I see "marmitegate" has resolved itself in barely 24 hours:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37650234Fasal IslamScottP (re)tweeting about it.
What does Pasty_Scott do for a living?0 -
add in Momentum's treatment of many female Labour MPs.Sean_F said:
Few right wingers on this site do regard Trump's behaviour as acceptable.Freggles said:
Labour are a mess, doesn't make Trump any more acceptablebrokenwheel said:
Well aparently in Labour you only get places as a woman by either fucking the leader or taking his thirty pieces of silver...Freggles said:
So women should be free to be whatever they want as long as it's a sex object or Tory leader?brokenwheel said:
Remind me again, which parties have never elected a female leader?Freggles said:You have to feel sorry for right wing women. They are apparently living in a culture where it's normal behaviour for men to:
- brag about groping women without permission
- walk in on 15 year olds while they are naked
- insert their genitals into a dead pig's mouth
And before anyone denies one of those, remember we are talking about what right wing women have defended as normal behaviour, not whether the accounts were accurate or not.
Misogyny can be found just as much on the left as the right, as MP's like Ruth Smeeth, Charlotte Leslie, and Esther McVey will testify.
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I agree entirely with you on that.Gardenwalker said:I see Tusk has suggested it's hard Brexit or no Brexit. Although in its way a reflection of our own hardline stance, this doesn't seem helpful.
Ultimately we need an agreement to work together, not a beggar thy neighbour policy.0 -
It seems most Remainers have come to terms with Leave now. The odd exceptions seem to be the younger ones to whom long sulks are a habit.
It might be interesting to check the demographics of the remaining bitter Remainers. I suspect they'll be young and/or suffering from a superiority complex. It's only as you get older you develop more self-awareness.
So treat them lightly, they're suffering and some may never recover without counselling.0 -
I have this terrible fear that David Davis will announce he has victoriously achieved a full return of EUR30bn of assets.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes and that point seems to be overlooked in the recent FT article AFAIK. Odd that hacks do this in what is supposed to be a paper aiming to inform.rcs1000 said:As an aside, it is worth remembering that the EU's EUR20bn bill for Britain's future liabilities is largely an attempt to neutralise the UK's inevitable demand that is owed 14% of the EU's net assets, our share of which (at face value, which may be optimistic given some of it is Greek government bonds) is nust north of EUR30bn.
Upon closer inspection it will turn out that we've accepted it all in Greek Government bonds at par...0 -
Indeed it wouldn't be. But it's bollocks.JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
A drop from the baseline GDP. I suspect some of the strain will be accommodated by allowing the deficit to start increasing again.ThreeQuidder said:
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
0 -
A drop from the baseline GDP. I suspect some of the strain will be accommodated by allowing the deficit to start increasing again.ThreeQuidder said:
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
0 -
A drop from the baseline GDP. I suspect some of the strain will be accommodated by allowing the deficit to start increasing again.ThreeQuidder said:
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
0 -
A drop from the baseline GDP. I suspect some of the strain will be accommodated by allowing the deficit to start increasing again.ThreeQuidder said:
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.
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Still prefer the reply in Arkell-v-Pressdram but this is pretty close.619 said:https://twitter.com/gavinsblog/status/786626297489399809
Brilliant letter back to trump from the NYT0 -
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.0 -
Anti-Semite Adolf believed in a single European Superstate.Gardenwalker said:
Brexit of course leaves the continent less divided than ever. Oops.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Oh come off it. I may have been engaging in hyperbole but divide and rule has been UK policy for centuries in Europe - and we allied with Stalin who makes Putin look like a pussycat.Gardenwalker said:
I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.
Believe in Britain! Be LEAVE!
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Has Faisal has calmed down now that Marmitegate has been resolved?
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Does "baseline" mean "what it actually was" or "what it was predicted to be after a Remain vote"?JonathanD said:
A drop from the baseline GDP. I suspect some of the strain will be accommodated by allowing the deficit to start increasing again.ThreeQuidder said:
A drop, or a lower increase?JonathanD said:
Reversion to WTO, which now seems quite likely, Was associated with a GDP drop of 6% over 2 years and an increase in unemployment of 800,000. That's not a slight effect.Casino_Royale said:
A surprising number of people seem to think the EU is our lifeline and, if we cut the umbilical cord linking us to it, the whole UK economy will collapse.Sean_F said:
I'm certainly enjoying our victory.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
In reality, the worst that happens according to the most contorted Osbornomics available is (apart from the short-term disruption) that we grow slightly more slowly than we might have done had we stayed.0 -
We allied with Stalin against Hitler then swiftly pivoted. It wasn't a permanent alliance.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Oh come off it. I may have been engaging in hyperbole but divide and rule has been UK policy for centuries in Europe - and we allied with Stalin who makes Putin look like a pussycat.Gardenwalker said:
I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.
Given a choice of Putin or Junker I know which is worse. It would make more sense to continue to ally with our EU NATO partners against a resurgent Great Bear.0 -
Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.0 -
On topic calling this a race is a bit of an overstatement at the moment. Unless the hare decides to have a particularly long nap this "race" is over and the tortoise is toast.
Will Hilary win more than 350ECVs? I would say almost certainly.0 -
There was nothing in Amber Rudd's speech about naming and shaming. Although the press was all over it I can't recall its origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.0 -
Switch nation for NHS and it sounds like every Labour campaign I can remember.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.0 -
Obviously you are suffering from some sort of temporary blindness or you would have seen me being just as vehement in my advocacy of the EEA option over the last few days. I still think it is the best way forward. That doesn't mean that I believe any other version of Brexit on offer would be as bad as staying in.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
So the only person showing a lack of integrity appears to be yourself.0 -
Short of googling (what a faff!), AFAIK it was mentioned by Rudd in her subsequent radio interviews and/or briefed as such by Home Office spokespeople.TOPPING said:
There was nothing in Amber Rudd's speech about naming and shaming. Although the press was all over it I can't recall its origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.
Truly regrettable. Rudd should be ashamed herself.0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
It must be sad to so hate your country and everything it stands for.Jonathan said:
British politics is two tramps fighting over the dregs in a can of Stella. The winner later discovers the dregs are piss.SquareRoot said:
Labour especially and particularly Corbyn.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Enjoy your victory.
Of course the EU want to push us towards a Hard Brexit - they think it will be an economic disaster for the UK.john_zims said:@TCPoliticalBetting
'May be a hard Brexit is inevitable?
George Eaton ✔ @georgeeaton
EU president Donald Tusk: “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit." Europe's political priority is to avoid "soft" deal.'
So no need for endless time wasting debate in the HoC of soft v hard brexit,Tusk has clarified it for us.
It won't be of course because Brexiters have promised us we will be entering a earthly paradise. in a couple of years time. I can't wait0 -
Quite so. But the Government needs to ensure the tone of the message is right as well as the content.TOPPING said:
There was nothing in Amber Rudd's speech about naming and shaming. Although the press was all over it I can't recall its origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
IJonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.0 -
I honeatly think Trump is unaware that "global special interest" is code for Jews. He's just found a phrase he likes and ignorantly used it.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.0 -
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
We allied with Stalin against Hitler then swiftly pivoted. It wasn't a permanent alliance.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Oh come off it. I may have been engaging in hyperbole but divide and rule has been UK policy for centuries in Europe - and we allied with Stalin who makes Putin look like a pussycat.Gardenwalker said:
I really hope you are not representative.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would prefer soft Brexit.williamglenn said:
One of the first casualties is your integrity given your prior vehement advocacy of the EEA option.Richard_Tyndall said:
Keep dreaming William.williamglenn said:
Leave won a Pyrrhic victory that will destroy their case morally, intellectually and economically in the fullness of time.ThreeQuidder said:
No, 52% of us won.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
But I would prefer hard Brexit a hundredfold to no Brexit.
If it has to be hard Brexit though, I would hope our subsequent foreign policy is to undermine, subvert and destroy the EU, working with Putin to do so if necessary.
Allying with Putin might make sense from the comfort of your Biggleswade eyrie, but it would be a betrayal of everything this country stands for.
Given a choice of Putin or Junker I know which is worse. It would make more sense to continue to ally with our EU NATO partners against a resurgent Great Bear.
The great foreign policy question for the UK is how to secure our neighbourhood which is threatened inter alia by a resurgent, revanchist and anti-liberal Russia, and Islamic extremism.
It would be better to tackle both *with* our European partners.
But if you're one of the frothers who thinks we ought to nuke Luxembourg, you'd naturally disagree.0 -
What odds are you offering?DavidL said:On topic calling this a race is a bit of an overstatement at the moment. Unless the hare decides to have a particularly long nap this "race" is over and the tortoise is toast.
Will Hilary win more than 350ECVs? I would say almost certainly.0 -
Andrew Neil talks a lot more sense than Faisal Islam, even if he doesn't take any prisonersTCPoliticalBetting said:Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil
The media went mad on the Marmite non-story today. It needs to lie down in a dark room and ponder, before making the same mistake again.0 -
With our European and American partners via NATO.Gardenwalker said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
We allied with Stalin against Hitler then swiftly pivoted. It wasn't a permanent alliance.
Given a choice of Putin or Junker I know which is worse. It would make more sense to continue to ally with our EU NATO partners against a resurgent Great Bear.
The great foreign policy question for the UK is how to secure our neighbourhood which is threatened inter alia by a resurgent, revanchist and anti-liberal Russia, and Islamic extremism.
It would be better to tackle both *with* our European partners.
But if you're one of the frothers who thinks we ought to nuke Luxembourg, you'd naturally disagree.
Though if you're a Europhile frother who thinks we ought to walk away from the Special Relationship, you'd naturally disagree.0 -
Lib Dem campaign in Witney suggesting that the Conservatives are so worried they are asking for the PM to come to campaign. Has happened before but pretty unusual.0
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P*ss poor PR people in Govt. They should have stamped on the naming and shaming.TOPPING said:
There was nothing in Amber Rudd's speech about naming and shaming. Although the press was all over it I can't recall its origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.
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And, as with Corbynite labour, 'global special interests' are just a step away from the full Adolf, as twitter response just now seems to have twigged.Philip_Thompson said:
Switch nation for NHS and it sounds like every Labour campaign I can remember.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.
http://heatst.com/politics/twitter-sees-donald-trumps-speech-tiptoeing-up-to-the-line-of-open-anti-semitism/
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Well, this - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/dont-argument-history-art-level-axed-soft/ - is sad.0
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He sounds like some on here, SeanT after a couple of bottles of Gevrey Chambertin.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.
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But this comes back to my earlier point. I cannot see how the govt is going to reduce immigration to the extent that is expected without a boatload of nudges, policy statements and, of course, policies.Casino_Royale said:
Quite so. But the Government needs to ensure the tone of the message is right as well as the content.TOPPING said:
Thes origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
A campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.Casino_Royale said:
IJonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
is before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily wGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.
I think that was them flying the kite and it was shot down so quickly they must now be wondering what exactly people really do want.
I foresee, sadly, because Tezza might not have the charisma or imagination of Dave, but she certainly has the necessary obduracy, a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about the government's immigration measures ahead.
Now, and to repeat my good wishes to you on account of your victory, I think some if not much of this forthcoming ugliness can be laid at the feet of all Brexiters. While you and others on this board espoused a pure, sovereignty-based reason for leaving, plenty of others want to cut immigration which will mean some pretty brutal govt policies and many Leavers, let's call them PB Leavers, knowing this, were happy to use that bloc vote to achieve the Out result.0 -
I thought it was in the briefing notes?TCPoliticalBetting said:
P*ss poor PR people in Govt. They should have stamped on the naming and shaming.TOPPING said:
There was nothing in Amber Rudd's speech about naming and shaming. Although the press was all over it I can't recall its origin.Casino_Royale said:
Thank you for your kind words.Jonathan said:
As for the same old Britain. Maybe. I certainly hope so. But the reality is is that's not how some people see it. And perceptions count.Casino_Royale said:
I can see you're angry. But it's still the same old Britain. The trouble is that Brexit is such a big event that any, and every, development can (and is) being directly attributed to it; it sells copy, and no news story can be overexaggerated.Jonathan said:
The way Brexit is playing out is hugely upsetting. The way May and Rudd played it last week was hugely damaging. I am very angry.Casino_Royale said:
Not at all. Proudest day of my life.Jonathan said:
We all lost.Casino_Royale said:
You lost.Gardenwalker said:
Your Brexiteering Utopia has very little chance of becoming reality. Hopefully you realise this before we 48 percenters are consigned to the Tower!Indigo said:FPT:
Happily what you construe is of only incidental interestGardenwalker said:
You may construe it that way. I do not.Richard_Tyndall said:It is the logical conclusion affirmed by the opening passage in the Treaty of Rome. It is no myth.
And looking at the policy of France, Germany, and the U.K. within the EU over the last decade or so - neither do they.
To quote Sir Thomas More
The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.
Disappointing to see you've bought into the Remain camp wholesale.
I should not have to explain to friends it's safe to visit the UK.
You can unpick virtually everything by looking at the detail; from the total non-story of marmitegate to so-called "surges" in hate crime.
I expect we have a very bumpy ride ahead of us for the next 3 years.
The govt needs to be more careful. Rhetoric about naming and shaming companies or the "citizen of the world" soundbite need to stop.
I fully stand by my respect for you in the campaign. I am glad you are proud and happy.
I agree the Government should choose its words more carefully.0 -
Everything tells me that Witney *must* be the safest of safe Conservative holds. The Lib Dems have no chance.slade said:Lib Dem campaign in Witney suggesting that the Conservatives are so worried they are asking for the PM to come to campaign. Has happened before but pretty unusual.
But ...
The way politics has been over the last couple of years, I wouldn't be surprised by the Monster Raving Loony Party winning a by-election. We are living in very strange and turbulent times politically.0 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3836760/EU-spending-watchdog-warns-breakdown-public-trust-reveals-nearly-5BILLION-funds-misspent-year.html
5 billion in one year that's some misspending? if it was a 1/5 of the quoted it would still be bad. Comments also point out its 22 years since clean accounts were achieved though I am aware there is some arguments on that.
Either way further reasons why people are fed up with this EU project.0 -
Andrew Neil slapped him down yesterday.GIN1138 said:Has Faisal has calmed down now that Marmitegate has been resolved?
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Classic LD spin.slade said:Lib Dem campaign in Witney suggesting that the Conservatives are so worried they are asking for the PM to come to campaign. Has happened before but pretty unusual.
Hopefully some naive punters will fall for it and push out the odds on the tories.0 -
Although only unreliable anecdotes Hillary does get big crowds:
Watch the video.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/10/hillary_clinton_draws_record_c.html0 -
Agree. Dreadful decision. Lunacy. A real shame.Cyclefree said:Well, this - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/dont-argument-history-art-level-axed-soft/ - is sad.
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You wish!ThreeQuidder said:
Yes, indeed.OllyT said:
You mean like UKIP and their fellow-travellers blamed everything on the EU prior to June 23rd? You'd better get used to it, it is going to get a lot lot worse.ThreeQuidder said:
We already knew that every unpopular decision would be blamed on the Leave vote, whether or not it had anything to do with it. A 10% price rise on a product made entirely within the UK has nothing at all to do with it...Monksfield said:On the days events....
Cheers to Bob Dylan..... Poet for our times...
Massive cheers to Jessica Ennis Hill. A better role model for modern Britain would be very hard to find. She had my vote for Spoty in 12 and 15 and will have it again this year. You were fab Jess!
And jeers to Tesco. If the anglish poond drops by more than 15%, prices are going to go up. Period. I noticed petrol was up by 2p at my local BP on the way home. This is the cost of taking back control.
Most sensible people will, of course, ignore it just like they ignored that.0 -
let he who cast the first stone...Monksfield said:
He sounds like some on here, SeanT after a couple of bottles of Gevrey Chambertin.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.0 -
Old school journalist. Believes in fact checking.Casino_Royale said:
Andrew Neil talks a lot more sense than Faisal Islam, even if he doesn't take any prisonersTCPoliticalBetting said:Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil
The media went mad on the Marmite non-story today. It needs to lie down in a dark room and ponder, before making the same mistake again.
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My recommendations:
Take Juppé at 2 (Ladbrokes/Betfred)
Take Sarkozy at 8 (Betfair - last matched 7.2)
Take Montebourg at 60s (Betfair)
Leave Hollande, Macron and Le Pen to flounder.0 -
Have you seen the mug shots of the victim named?DavidL said:
Still prefer the reply in Arkell-v-Pressdram but this is pretty close.619 said:https://twitter.com/gavinsblog/status/786626297489399809
Brilliant letter back to trump from the NYT
I've considered this a grifter story TBH.
There's Bill Clinton's alleged son via a prostitute that's been floating about - he's black, I'm very sceptical of it all. But this is 2016 - WTF is going on?0 -
I put five quid on at 23s on Betfair. I fully expect to lose it, but having written about the LibDem path to victory (unlikely as it is), I felt I should put my money where my mouth isPong said:
Classic LD spin.slade said:Lib Dem campaign in Witney suggesting that the Conservatives are so worried they are asking for the PM to come to campaign. Has happened before but pretty unusual.
Hopefully some naive punters will fall for it and push out the odds on the tories. 0 -
It does look like a badly run campaign by the Conservative HQ. There have been no requests for help from CCHQ in all the weeks. The Party Chairman is performing up to his dismal reputation.slade said:Lib Dem campaign in Witney suggesting that the Conservatives are so worried they are asking for the PM to come to campaign. Has happened before but pretty unusual.
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Heading out for dinner with my wife, but the full Tusk speech is worth a read:
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/10/13-tusk-speech-epc/
It looks to me like he's hoping the EU playing hard ball may lead to UK reconsidering.0 -
Doesn't everyone feel like writing a la SeanT after a couple of bottles of Gev?Monksfield said:
He sounds like some on here, SeanT after a couple of bottles of Gevrey Chambertin.Thrak said:Well he's gone the whole Bilderberg now, I don't think he's started ranting about lizards but surely it's only a matter of time....
"This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. Believe me. This will be our last chance to save it on November 8. Remember that. This election will determine whether we are a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but we are in fact controlled by a handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
This is reality. "
Mad as a bag of frogs.0
