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Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
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It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.0 -
Exactly, which is why Ron Paul won back to back presidential victories.williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my motorbike tour of East Germany.williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
I love the insult bell end......TheScreamingEagles said:Which bell end thought scheduling the Japanese Grand Prix and a Presidential debate within 24 hours of each other was a good idea? #FuckingTimeZones
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they are not dropping him because of his principles. They are dropping him because he admitted to grabbing women's pussys without their permissionEssexit said:
It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.0 -
It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.
The issue with core Republicans is (a) they hate HRC more than Trump (generally) and (b) if HRC wins, the Supreme Court will be lost to the Republicans for a generation. I think most will grit their teeth.
I agree with weejonnie - the GOP Establishment has been looking to get rid of Trump all throughout the campaign so their calls are likely to be viewed cynically.0 -
Ron Paul was a loony tune with no mass appeal, no charisma and only 500k followers.Alistair said:
Exactly, which is why Ron Paul won back to back presidential victories.williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801-1 -
Well, that's a lie isn't it?619 said:
they are not dropping him because of his principles. They are dropping him because he admitted to grabbing women's pussys without their permissionEssexit said:
It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.0 -
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801-1 -
Diane Abbott 'opposed the proscribing of Al-Qaeda and 20 other terrorist groups shortly before the September 11 terror attacks'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3829660/Diane-Abbott-opposed-proscribing-Al-Qaeda-20-terrorist-groups-shortly-September-11-terror-attacks.html0 -
We have all heard the tape. ny point is, i didnt realise being sexist and rapey makes u anti-establishmentwilliamglenn said:
Well, that's a lie isn't it?619 said:
they are not dropping him because of his principles. They are dropping him because he admitted to grabbing women's pussys without their permissionEssexit said:
It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.0 -
If you've heard the tape, why are you lying about what it says?619 said:
We have all heard the tape. ny point is, i didnt realise being sexist and rapey makes u anti-establishmentwilliamglenn said:
Well, that's a lie isn't it?619 said:
they are not dropping him because of his principles. They are dropping him because he admitted to grabbing women's pussys without their permissionEssexit said:
It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.0 -
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801
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The issue with core Republicans is (a) they hate HRC more than Trump (generally) and (b) if HRC wins, the Supreme Court will be lost to the Republicans for a generation. I think most will grit their teeth.TheKitchenCabinet said:It could bring out the non-voters for him, and maybe a few working-class Democrats. On the other hand some core Republicans who were planning to grit their teeth might now feel enabled to follow their leaders' lead by writing-in or voting Johnson/McMullin.
I agree with weejonnie - the GOP Establishment has been looking to get rid of Trump all throughout the campaign so their calls are likely to be viewed cynically.
if that chimed with the RNC's private polling, they would be supporting him. The ppp say there private polls have him at 70% with republicans. Thats not enough0 -
It would have got him in trouble with this editor... http://order-order.com/2014/07/25/full-sunday-sport-emailwho-the-hell-puts-a-hyphen-in-bellend/tyson said:
I love the insult bell end......TheScreamingEagles said:Which bell end thought scheduling the Japanese Grand Prix and a Presidential debate within 24 hours of each other was a good idea? #FuckingTimeZones
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Is there a free streaming anywhere online?tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/376028010 -
You must be ahead of me by 2 mins. Yes- Italy have just scored to go up 3-2. What media stream are you using...tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801
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No I wasn't, it was the original attempt I saw, on Betfair Exchange.tyson said:
You must be ahead of me by 2 mins. Yes- Italy have just scored to go up 3-2. What media stream are you using...tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/376028010 -
I'm watching it in Italy on Rai TV which is 2 mins behind your score feed..AndyJS said:
Is there a free streaming anywhere online?tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801
Fantastic match.......
Am I allowed to say how you can get sport feeds live here?
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Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.
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OK- so you saw the offside goal like me...and then Italy scored in injury team. There was no time slip.AndyJS said:
No I wasn't, it was the original attempt I saw, on Betfair Exchange.tyson said:
You must be ahead of me by 2 mins. Yes- Italy have just scored to go up 3-2. What media stream are you using...tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801
Very serendipitous that you called it 3-2 to Italy 2 minutes before they scored to go 3-2 up
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If twitter was accurate Ed would have a 200 seat majority right now.......Not a game changer, yet.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
And social media is just the best at getting people to get out is it? Not yet it isn't. Your comments of it being a game changer, in the purported absence of ground operational support, suggests you think social media alone will be enough to win, or else its hardly a game changer, is it?williamglenn said:
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
Betfair put it up as a goal and then showed an offside a few seconds later after I'd posted on here.tyson said:
OK- so you saw the offside goal like me...and then Italy scored in injury team. There was no time slip.AndyJS said:
No I wasn't, it was the original attempt I saw, on Betfair Exchange.tyson said:
You must be ahead of me by 2 mins. Yes- Italy have just scored to go up 3-2. What media stream are you using...tyson said:
offsideAndyJS said:
Italy have scored to lead 3-2 I see.tyson said:
I'm watching a cracking Macedonia vs Italy match. on Rai...2-2, 5 mins left..... Vai the AzzurriAndyJS said:Iceland are leading Turkey 2-0 after 75 mins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37602801
Very serendipitous that you called it 3-2 to Italy 2 minutes before they scored to go 3-2 up0 -
Then call it social media combined with mass media saturation. Nobody (caveats apply) will be unaware on the day that they have a vote to cast.kle4 said:
And social media is just the best at getting people to get out is it? Not yet it isn't. Your comments of it being a game changer, in the purported absence of ground operational support, suggests you think social media alone will be enough to win, or else its hardly a game changer, is it?williamglenn said:
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.
Trump has proven he can win despite weak on the ground organisation.0 -
What the Brexit vote showed was that, if people are motivated enough, then they will get out to vote, even if they are typical non-voters. The problem with the US is more whether those non-voters actually can vote given the registration rules.kle4 said:
And social media is just the best at getting people to get out is it? Not yet it isn't. Your comments of it being a game changer, in the purported absence of ground operational support, suggests you think social media alone will be enough to win, or else its hardly a game changer, is it?williamglenn said:
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.0 -
Against a 12 way field that spent all it's opposition research on people other than him.williamglenn said:
Then call it social media combined with mass media saturation. Nobody (caveats apply) will be unaware on the day that they have a vote to cast.kle4 said:
And social media is just the best at getting people to get out is it? Not yet it isn't. Your comments of it being a game changer, in the purported absence of ground operational support, suggests you think social media alone will be enough to win, or else its hardly a game changer, is it?williamglenn said:
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.
Trump has proven he can win despite weak on the ground organisation.0 -
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And when the field was whittled down and they concentrated all their fire on him, he still won.Alistair said:
Against a 12 way field that spent all it's opposition research on people other than him.williamglenn said:
Then call it social media combined with mass media saturation. Nobody (caveats apply) will be unaware on the day that they have a vote to cast.kle4 said:
And social media is just the best at getting people to get out is it? Not yet it isn't. Your comments of it being a game changer, in the purported absence of ground operational support, suggests you think social media alone will be enough to win, or else its hardly a game changer, is it?williamglenn said:
The question is about getting out the votes that are there to be got out.kle4 said:
Social media is clearly a relevant factor, but game changer? Where's the evidence for that? Prime Minister Miliband won the social media battles didn't he?williamglenn said:
Which century are you living in? Social media is the game changer here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not in GOTV/campaigning efforts.weejonnie said:
Does it - Trump is the 'anti-establishment' candidate in effect if not in name. The fact that the establishment are dropping him could be construed positively.Essexit said:
The media cycle could move on from Trump's comments, just as it did from Hillary's incident at the 9/11 memorial, which now seems to be forgotten. However, the mass withdrawal of Republican bigwig support looks like the real game-changer.weejonnie said:
La Times may be skewed to the GOP - but presumably the trend would be pretty accurate.ydoethur said:
A most unfair and unworthy statement. The chicken entrails have a far greater chance of being accurate.619 said:
La times? exactly one step up from voodooPaul_Bedfordshire said:Trump is tweeting a poll today that puts him 2% ahead of Clinton.
No idea as to where it stands on the Gold Standard tto Voodoo scale though:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/la-times-usc-dornsife-sunday-poll-donald-trump-retains-2-point-lead-hillary/
At the moment of course things are not developing necesserilly to Trump's advantage - but there are 4 weeks to go.
The GOP infrastructure have dumped Trump/gone on strike.
It seems inconceivable Trump can win without their day to day/operational support.
Trump has proven he can win despite weak on the ground organisation.0 -
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He won a primary campaign which is always disproportionately decided by high motivation voters who are more likely to vote anyway.williamglenn said:Then call it social media combined with mass media saturation. Nobody (caveats apply) will be unaware on the day that they have a vote to cast.
Trump has proven he can win despite weak on the ground organisation.
Face to face contact is the most likely thing to make someone vote, and time and again it's been proven that it does increase turnout at elections.
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
rcs1000 said:
Nigel Farage is two words.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
I remember reading a story about a guy who had Tourette's, and every time he saw a black man he couldn't stop himself saying N*****.
So he was retrained to say Nigel instead, so he didn't keep getting beat up.
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Maybe that is what Trump has, but never been properly diagnosed...MarkHopkins said:rcs1000 said:
Nigel Farage is two words.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
I remember reading a story about a guy who had Tourette's, and every time he saw a black man he couldn't stop himself saying N*****.
So he was retrained to say Nigel instead, so he didn't keep getting beat up.0 -
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup* in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
* by setup I don't mean the debate being rigged, more like last time Clinton blurted out beauty queen, beauty queen, miss piggy...It was clear that was supposed to have been said in a slightly like crowbarred in way, and they were ready to go with the follow up.0 -
I don't think he has, but that won't stop them searching for it.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
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The problem, though, is that many Democrat supporters are unenthusiastic about Clinton: you may know who they are but you cannot force them to get out. I posted a survey about College students on another thread that showed, while they back Hillary 48-14 over Trump, the percentage who said they would NOT volunteer for her is 70%, a rise of 7%.corporeal said:
He won a primary campaign which is always disproportionately decided by high motivation voters who are more likely to vote anyway.williamglenn said:Then call it social media combined with mass media saturation. Nobody (caveats apply) will be unaware on the day that they have a vote to cast.
Trump has proven he can win despite weak on the ground organisation.
Face to face contact is the most likely thing to make someone vote, and time and again it's been proven that it does increase turnout at elections.
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
"Training Day" mit Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke has Denzel calling Ethan "my N*****!"FrancisUrquhart said:
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There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
Now stories suggest Trump's wife chose not appear on a supposed joint TV appearance with him after the tape release on Friday.
Its equally possible the campaign considered it better for her not to as she'd be under pressure but thats not how its getting reported.
Meanwhile the Russians have been caught on altering source material.
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Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
Couldn't they have come up with some more scandalous stuff?rcs1000 said:
Quite a few of the Guccifer docs showed alterations under "Track Changes" I believe. Which is why you need to look at all these dumps with a critical eye.Y0kel said:Meanwhile the Russians have been caught on altering source material.
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I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
I missed it on first readcorporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.
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She gave him the rope and he hanged himself.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup* in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
* by setup I don't mean the debate being rigged, more like last time Clinton blurted out beauty queen, beauty queen, miss piggy...It was clear that was supposed to have been said in a slightly like crowbarred in way, and they were ready to go with the follow up.0 -
Fixed it.corporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
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Oh Trump jumped into the elephant trap no doubt about that. For somebody so smart, he knows a lot of words you know, the obvious response would have been to turn it around on to her comments about basket of deplorables and basement dwellers.nunu said:
She gave him the rope and he hanged himself.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup* in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
* by setup I don't mean the debate being rigged, more like last time Clinton blurted out beauty queen, beauty queen, miss piggy...It was clear that was supposed to have been said in a slightly like crowbarred in way, and they were ready to go with the follow up.0 -
You're too generous, you should have fixed it to "it is"TheScreamingEagles said:
Fixed it.corporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale. 0 -
Ah yes, Joss Whedon spent a year at one of our public schools when his mother was an exchange teacher there.Alistair said:
Place of education? Only thing that could possibly link them.TheScreamingEagles said:Pop quiz hot shots, does anyone know the link between Joss Whedon and Seumas Milne?
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Surely, now they know that people are looking for that, they will just create 'clean' documents showing no changes. So, even if they look okay, they are likely to not be.rcs1000 said:
Quite a few of the Guccifer docs showed alterations under "Track Changes" I believe. Which is why you need to look at all these dumps with a critical eye.Y0kel said:Meanwhile the Russians have been caught on altering source material.
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Three years IIRCDecrepitJohnL said:
Ah yes, Joss Whedon spent a year at one of our public schools when his mother was an exchange teacher there.Alistair said:
Place of education? Only thing that could possibly link them.TheScreamingEagles said:Pop quiz hot shots, does anyone know the link between Joss Whedon and Seumas Milne?
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Anyone else thinking tonights "debate" is going to be like when the BBC question time audience in Leeds absolutley savaged Ed at the last GE? They will be tough on Hillary but Trump will get a pasting.0
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I'd like to say I never blamed my good friend TSE for the error, and if you call Sunil he'll tell you that's true.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fixed it.corporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/07/Panda-popcorn-gif.gifnunu said:Anyone else thinking tonights "debate" is going to be like when the BBC question time audience in Leeds absolutley savaged Ed at the last GE? They will be tough on Hillary but Trump will get a pasting.
I am hoping Trump goes total Alex Jones.0 -
While you're at out can you do something about the double negative in the third paragraph. Corporeal's article is readable and punchy; apostrophes in the wrong places I can take, but double negatives really confuse me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fixed it.corporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.
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The best they'll probably be able to do is find some archive footage of Trump greeting a black person in a slightly unenthusiastic way from about 30 years ago.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup* in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
* by setup I don't mean the debate being rigged, more like last time Clinton blurted out beauty queen, beauty queen, miss piggy...It was clear that was supposed to have been said in a slightly like crowbarred in way, and they were ready to go with the follow up.0 -
It is not a double negative. Not only NOT INVESTING in Trump.tyson said:
While you're at out can you do something about the double negative in the third paragraph. Corporeal's article is readable and punchy; apostrophes in the wrong places I can take, but double negatives really confuse me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fixed it.corporeal said:
I'm cringing over using the wrong "it's" in the first sentence (my only excuse is that I wrote it late at night while the brown stuff was hitting the air relocation device and it's all really TSE's fault).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nice thread! On topic - the ship may be sinking, but the Trump band plays on regardless!corporeal said:
There's an element of stirring up, but the main focus is identification and then turning them out.williamglenn said:
I'm reminded of Willie Whitelaw's quip about Harold Wilson 'going around the country stirring up apathy'.corporeal said:
Plus Clinton's ground operation will have been building up a database of supporters to target and ensure they're turning out the right people rather than blanket coverage. Trump hasn't been doing that to nearly the same scale.0 -
Or comments off camera during his TV show filming.AndyJS said:
The best they'll probably be able to do is find some archive footage of Trump greeting a black person in a slightly unenthusiastic way from about 30 years ago.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he has, Team Clinton will already have it. All of this is being carefully coordinated. I expect a new video outrage Monday and some sort of setup* in the debate.AndyJS said:
You can bet that thousands of Democrat campaigners are frantically searching through the archives trying to find evidence of precisely that.Y0kel said:What if Trump was caught on tape using he N word?
* by setup I don't mean the debate being rigged, more like last time Clinton blurted out beauty queen, beauty queen, miss piggy...It was clear that was supposed to have been said in a slightly like crowbarred in way, and they were ready to go with the follow up.0 -
Good article by Corporeal. It's hard to disagree with his penultimate paragraph. Or indeed his last one.
From a betting point of view, this is of course an important point. Rats were famously good at sensing when the ship was about to sink...0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"
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Apparently the Apprentice stuff is even more complicated. Burnett (who is a Trump supporter) has all the outtakes, but doesn't own the rights. MGM bought the rights to the very old shows.
Head of a Clinton Super PAC has said they will pay for any legal fees that come from a leak.0 -
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Not much of a town hall....RobD said:
I read on here that the moderator will be asking the questionsnunu said:Anyone else thinking tonights "debate" is going to be like when the BBC question time audience in Leeds absolutley savaged Ed at the last GE? They will be tough on Hillary but Trump will get a pasting.
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Going above and beyond. We are now taking over other people's borders too.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
What did I say about May embracing Putinism?RobD said:
Going above and beyond. We are now taking over other people's borders too.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"
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From what I've read there are two halves. In the first half the moderators ask questions. In the 2nd half its the audience but the moderators know the questions in advance and get to pick who asks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not much of a town hall....RobD said:
I read on here that the moderator will be asking the questionsnunu said:Anyone else thinking tonights "debate" is going to be like when the BBC question time audience in Leeds absolutley savaged Ed at the last GE? They will be tough on Hillary but Trump will get a pasting.
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Are the audience allowed to react this time? Or only Clinton supporters like last time?not_on_fire said:
From what I've read there are two halves. In the first half the moderators ask questions. In the 2nd half its the audience but the moderators know the questions in advance and get to pick who asks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not much of a town hall....RobD said:
I read on here that the moderator will be asking the questionsnunu said:Anyone else thinking tonights "debate" is going to be like when the BBC question time audience in Leeds absolutley savaged Ed at the last GE? They will be tough on Hillary but Trump will get a pasting.
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We weren't embracing it when we put the border in Calais...williamglenn said:
What did I say about May embracing Putinism?RobD said:
Going above and beyond. We are now taking over other people's borders too.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Indeed, it precedes both countries entry into the EU by 50 years.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"
However, maintaining the Common Travel Area does mean accepting that there will be no visa requirement for EU/EEA nationals. (This doesn't mean people have the right to reside; Switzerland and Liechtenstein are in Schengen, which means anyone inside the zone can get there without even a passport, but it does not mean you can stay there.)
The Thatcher government, at the height of the Troubles, considered suspending the CTA. But after much agonizing, it was decided that the economic damage to Northern Ireland would be severe, and that - as it was a long and winding border, with few few natural boundaries, and plenty of opportunities to tunnel underneath - it would do little to prevent IRA terrorists from crossing back and forth at will.0 -
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Not really the same thing. This would be putting an entire sovereign country behind the U.K. border.RobD said:
We weren't embracing it when we put the border in Calais...williamglenn said:
What did I say about May embracing Putinism?RobD said:
Going above and beyond. We are now taking over other people's borders too.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Turkey blocking internet services like Dropbox, after a hacker released goverent emails.0
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I suppose you could think of it as the CTA border.williamglenn said:
Not really the same thing. This would be putting an entire sovereign country behind the U.K. border.RobD said:
We weren't embracing it when we put the border in Calais...williamglenn said:
What did I say about May embracing Putinism?RobD said:
Going above and beyond. We are now taking over other people's borders too.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
To be fair, even before 1973, the UK and Ireland has slightly different entry policies, and that was possible. US citizens, for example, required a visa to visit the UK. But they did not require one for Ireland. In theory, a US citizen could cross into Britain via Ireland.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"
The issue has always been one of economics: the Northern Irish and Republic of Ireland economies around the border are extremely tightly integrated. There will be people that cross the border a dozen times a day in their ordinary business. Policing the border, checking passports, etc., would be (a) expensive, (b) almost certainly not prevent any determined evildoer, and (c) possibly stir up long-dormant Republican sentiment in the area. (Not being able to cross the border for a pint with your cousin because the crossing is now closed for the evening.)0 -
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
I guess the point is that maintaining the CTA means that, in practice, we cannot impose visa restrictions on EU citizens from (for example) Romania. Albeit the route to the UK would be a lot more circuitous than just getting the Megabus from the UK.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Interestingly, between 1939 and 1952, there were no immigration controls between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but there were between Great Britain and both Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps this is the solution*.
* Albeit one that would be deeply unpopular with Unionists.0 -
From a practical perspective, are we likely to require visas for EU/EEA citizens?not_on_fire said:
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
For tourism and business visits, probably not. For residence and working, yes if it's a hard Brexit.rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, are we likely to require visas for EU/EEA citizens?not_on_fire said:
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Residence is just a tax status. If you don't have visas for tourism/business then you can't have them for residence either.not_on_fire said:
For tourism and business visits, probably not. For residence and working, yes if it's a hard Brexit.rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, are we likely to require visas for EU/EEA citizens?not_on_fire said:
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
Unionists will be perfectly pragmatic.rcs1000 said:Interestingly, between 1939 and 1952, there were no immigration controls between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but there were between Great Britain and both Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps this is the solution*.
* Albeit one that would be deeply unpopular with Unionists.0 -
In which case, surely all we require is that - if you want residence or to work - then you go to an immigration centre within 7 days of arriving in the UK.not_on_fire said:
For tourism and business visits, probably not. For residence and working, yes if it's a hard Brexit.rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, are we likely to require visas for EU/EEA citizens?not_on_fire said:
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"
People who want to enter illegally and work illegally can come here on a tourism visa and stay. Why bother going via Ireland and making your life much more complicated?0 -
I don't think that's true. Switzerland and Norway are both in Schengen, but require you to register with the police if you plan on staying more than three months. If you wish to rent a property, for example, you'll need your registration number from your police visit. It wouldn't be complicated to modify that system for the UK.williamglenn said:
Residence is just a tax status. If you don't have visas for tourism/business then you can't have them for residence either.not_on_fire said:
For tourism and business visits, probably not. For residence and working, yes if it's a hard Brexit.rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, are we likely to require visas for EU/EEA citizens?not_on_fire said:
But Ireland will continue to have free movement with the EU, so any EU or EEA citizen will be able to enter Ireland,and then the UK via NI.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland, like the UK, is outside Schengen.not_on_fire said:
This isn't about the CTA. The UK is outsourcing its border with the rest of the world to Ireland. -Any EU citizen will be able to go to Ireland and then walk over into NISunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland and the UK already had a Common Travel Area long before they joined the EU in 1973.not_on_fire said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/09/britain-to-push-post-brexit-uk-immigration-controls-back-to-irish-border
Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.
So much for "taking control of our borders"0 -
About requiring passport controls between Northern Ireland and Great Britain? I think they'd regard it as the first stage in the deliberate reunification of Ireland by the British Government.Y0kel said:
Unionists will be perfectly pragmatic.rcs1000 said:Interestingly, between 1939 and 1952, there were no immigration controls between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but there were between Great Britain and both Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps this is the solution*.
* Albeit one that would be deeply unpopular with Unionists.0 -
It would indeed be a courageous decision.rcs1000 said:
About requiring passport controls between Northern Ireland and Great Britain? I think they'd regard it as the first stage in the deliberate reunification of Ireland by the British Government.Y0kel said:
Unionists will be perfectly pragmatic.rcs1000 said:Interestingly, between 1939 and 1952, there were no immigration controls between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but there were between Great Britain and both Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps this is the solution*.
* Albeit one that would be deeply unpopular with Unionists.0
