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  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    corporeal said:

    I've run out of popcorn :(

    I've run.out of Scotch. If it wasn't for the bloody insomnia id have buggered off to bed!
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Trump is winning.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    nunu said:

    Trump is winning.

    As ever, they are both dire.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    What have I missed, why is Trump wittering on about Post Offices?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Andrew said:

    What have I missed, why is Trump wittering on about Post Offices?

    Cause his balance sheet is great. Didn't you get the memo?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    Trump is doing well here on the tax stuff. Its weird when he focuses he can be very effective....and now he is waffling.

    I think he has some condition. ADHD++++
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917
    nunu said:

    Trump is winning.

    He's got his sheet together tonight.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Constitutional question - is the President empowered to raise taxes?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    That Lincoln line was Trump’s best probably of either debate
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    RobD said:

    Constitutional question - is the President empowered to raise taxes?

    Not to my knowledge. Budgets must go though the democratic procedure
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    The advice Clinton-Bot-2000 has got is wrong here. She should just ignore Trump and play straight bat on every question and just lay out policy. Instead she sounds bad with the "alternative reality" stuff.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917
    Trump has an odd habit of talking in the present tense about future plans.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Frank Luntz
    It's halftime – who's winning the debate so far?

    • 17 say Trump
    • 4 say Hillary
    • 9 tied

    Do you know what their verdict was on the first debate? Should help baseline these numbers.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/27/luntz_focus_group_clinton_won_first_debate_against_trump.html
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Andrew said:

    What have I missed, why is Trump wittering on about Post Offices?

    Somehow he got there from not having investments in Russia.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited October 2016
    Forget score draw, this is a bore draw. There's nothing of interest from either.

    Of course, that suits Clinton down to the ground, since she's on for 330+ in the electoral college already. No need to take any risks.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited October 2016
    RobD said:

    Constitutional question - is the President empowered to raise taxes?

    In short no.

    At length, mostly no but some limited technical areas maybe yes, possibly.

    But in almost all areas no.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    "Almost nine out of 10 women would rather be a woman than a man today, compared with just over half in 1947, a Radio 4 Woman's Hour poll suggests."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37600771
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Daily Mail
    Trump jabs Hillary: 'Honest Abe never lied. That’s the big difference between Lincoln and you' https://t.co/wNYSKDm9ZB #debate
  • Trump admits writing off losses against Federal income tax. And says Hilary's donors do too
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    In brief moments Trump is actually effective....then.....Clinton formed ISIS...

    Sneering Clinton. It is a really bad look....then Clinton-Bot-2000 focus group answer...focus group answer.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    That veto comment dropped like a lead balloon..
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    So Trump basically admits the tax story is true?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Trump admits writing off losses against Federal income tax. And says Hilary's donors do too

    If I had lost a $1bn, i'd be using it against future taxes.
  • Hilary isn't doing as well as I thought. Less nimble
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Trump keeps repeating the line about Bernie Sanders questioning Clinton's judgement.

    Good idea for Trump to try and attract some of Bernie's supporters who hate Hilary. There is a lot of unenthusiatic Democrats at the moment, maybe some might switch.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Bret Baiar
    This picture put out by AP - one has to wonder at what point in the debate was this taken. https://t.co/8oQM2hrTqz
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    PlatoSaid said:

    Daily Mail
    Trump jabs Hillary: 'Honest Abe never lied. That’s the big difference between Lincoln and you' https://t.co/wNYSKDm9ZB #debate

    If honest Abe had lied, you'd never have found out about it. The joy of the pre internet, pre mass media age. As late as Kennedy and Johnson, Presidents got away with all sorts!
  • Crap all round. Trump, Clinton, moderators...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    Trump: 'She, she, she, she......'

    I wonder how this is going down with female American voters......
  • Trump: 'She, she, she, she......'

    I wonder how this is going down with female American voters......

    Brilliantly ;-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Trump: 'She, she, she, she......'

    I wonder how this is going down with female American voters......

    Agreed...
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Andrew Neil
    Trump has rescued his campaign in this debate. Did not expect to write that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    PlatoSaid said:

    Andrew Neil
    Trump has rescued his campaign in this debate. Did not expect to write that.

    Blimey, really?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    The questions are really scatter gun, not that many which directly affect middle America. Some guy in Ohio who has worked in a factory won't be hearing much about what to look forward to for him and his family.
  • Wow. I didn't think the audience would be little more than a bunch of props.
  • Hilary brought up Iran. Unwise?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Frank Luntz
    Hillary is struggling to defend herself. The group simply doesn't believe her. #debate https://t.co/7xqE6c2Nfn
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    "Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We are old in terms of nuclear."
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Andrew Neil
    Trump has rescued his campaign in this debate. Did not expect to write that.

    Blimey, really?
    That surprised me too.....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Dromedary said:

    "Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We are old in terms of nuclear."

    They've been spending a lot recently on renewal
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2016
    Hillary talking a bit over the heads of the average American, on foreign policy. Too complex.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    @DPHodges: Screw the election Hillary. Just punch the bastard.
  • AndyJS said:

    Hillary talking a bit over the heads of the average American, on foreign policy.

    She can't fake having any common touch.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,917

    @DPHodges: Screw the election Hillary. Just punch the bastard.

    Is Corbyn in the room?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    @DPHodges: Screw the election Hillary. Just punch the bastard.

    I thought it was Trump that had been practicing with UKIP.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    "How stupid is our country".... great vote winning slogan there!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Trump portraying himself as a bodyguard for the US, probably his best chance of winning.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    Trump is wibbling all over the place.

    I am not sure the moderator should be arguing with Trump.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Why is the moderator challenging Trump on foreign policy so ferociously? Don't like the man but these moderators really are terrible.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Phil Elliott ‏@Philip_Elliott 2m2 minutes ago
    "He and I haven't spoken. I disagree," Trump says of his running mate Mike Pence.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Trump talks sense on military strategy! Don't announce what you're going to do, do it first and tell people afterwards!

    Who'd have thought that
  • @DPHodges: Screw the election Hillary. Just punch the bastard.

    Is Corbyn in the room?
    Yes. He's sitting on the floor
  • Essexit said:

    Why is the moderator challenging Trump on foreign policy so ferociously? Don't like the man but these moderators really are terrible.

    Agreed. They are really weak at times and let both talk for ages and have responses when they aren't suppose to. Then all of a sudden start getting into arguments with the candidates rather than moderating.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sean Davies
    Martha Raddatz is now personally arguing with Donald Trump because she doesn't like his answer. Pathetic.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    TonyE said:

    Trump talks sense on military strategy! Don't announce what you're going to do, do it first and tell people afterwards!

    Who'd have thought that

    What, like when they killed Osama??
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Trump recovering to 5.5 on Betfair.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Essexit said:

    Why is the moderator challenging Trump on foreign policy so ferociously? Don't like the man but these moderators really are terrible.

    Agreed. They are really weak at times and let both talk for ages and have responses when they aren't suppose to. Then all of a sudden start getting into arguments with the candidates rather than moderating.
    And stifling the back and forth....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    When Trump loses, I wonder what he is going to do? He is clearly seriously angry about what has happened the past few days, when he get buried at the polls, I hate to think how he will react.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    When Trump loses, I wonder what he is going to do?

    I imagine this is his last hurrah.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Hilary quite weak on foreign policy. Doesn't seem to understand the turkish angle on the Kurds at all.
  • Trump arguing with the moderator again.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    When Trump loses, I wonder what he is going to do? He is clearly seriously angry about what has happened the past few days, when he get buried at the polls, I hate to think how he will react.

    I don't think Hillary has it won just yet.
  • Wow. I miss Ronald Reagan. He would've hit out of the park most of these questions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    Question...What about black people?

    NAFTA...NAFTA....
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963

    Essexit said:

    Why is the moderator challenging Trump on foreign policy so ferociously? Don't like the man but these moderators really are terrible.

    Agreed. They are really weak at times and let both talk for ages and have responses when they aren't suppose to. Then all of a sudden start getting into arguments with the candidates rather than moderating.
    They should fly David Dimbleby in for the next one.
  • RobD said:

    When Trump loses, I wonder what he is going to do?

    I imagine this is his last hurrah.
    I think you're right. He is some times good and some times completely off the wall
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    Hiliary really is dislikable. HAHAHA, I got 87% of the vote, I was very proud of myself...ohhhh yes yes and humbled..yes don't forget humbled that is what the focus group said.
  • Hilary back to a focus group answer
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Question...What about black people?

    NAFTA...NAFTA....

    I'm still waiting for Hillary to drop a bomb.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Some rumours Pence is going to pull the plug.

    I did notice how swiftly Trump disagreed with him on Syria - didn't hedge it, he was very stark in his disagreement with his own VP nominee.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Trump has won this tonight.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Saltire said:

    TonyE said:

    Trump talks sense on military strategy! Don't announce what you're going to do, do it first and tell people afterwards!

    Who'd have thought that

    What, like when they killed Osama??
    Looking at recent history in Syria, they've talked a good game but achieved very little. ObL is a different story. That's how you achieve a limited and direct objective.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,782
    TonyE said:

    Hilary quite weak on foreign policy. Doesn't seem to understand the turkish angle on the Kurds at all.

    she does, but she has to handle it diplomatically.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    Clinton-Bot-2000 just malfunctioned and repeated exactly the same statement as earlier...word for word.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    When Trump loses, I wonder what he is going to do? He is clearly seriously angry about what has happened the past few days, when he get buried at the polls, I hate to think how he will react.

    He'll do what you're seeing now. He'll say it's rigged against him by the establishment (mention Bernie Sanders) that he was the real winner and he's going to go off and be a great and successful businessman. Then he'll look to leverage it into profit, media business, etc.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,740
    edited October 2016
    Remember people said Pence beat Kaine easily whereas polls had him only a narrow winner.

    Always think big picture - it isn't individual answers - it's will the debate move votes?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,782
    Betfair holding steady.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    RobD said:

    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?

    No this is an attack Trump question.

    So many of the questions have been this....a setup up for one or the other to attack the other.

    How about some questions on domestic policy? No questions on energy future, or jobs at home or law and order....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Clinton rambling too much.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    RobD said:

    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?

    No this is an attack Trump question.

    So many of the questions have been this....a setup up for one or the other to attack the other.

    How about some questions on domestic policy?
    There you go.. supreme court justices. Still don't get why the courts are so politicised here.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?

    No this is an attack Trump question.

    So many of the questions have been this....a setup up for one or the other to attack the other.

    How about some questions on domestic policy?
    There you go.. supreme court justices. Still don't get why the courts are so politicised here.
    Again, I highly doubt Billy Bob really cares that much about that.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Clinton goes for Roe v Wade. Why does anyone think it's even an issue any more?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    @IainDale: Hillary's problem in this debate is that after 75 minutes I can't remember a damn thing she's said. Trump's problem is that I can...
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    TonyE said:

    Clinton goes for Roe v Wade. Why does anyone think it's even an issue any more?

    You think it isn't?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,740
    edited October 2016
    Clinton goes from 1.25 to 1.28 in the last few mins.

    EDIT: Straight back to 1.26.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?

    No this is an attack Trump question.

    So many of the questions have been this....a setup up for one or the other to attack the other.

    How about some questions on domestic policy?
    There you go.. supreme court justices. Still don't get why the courts are so politicised here.
    Ridiculous it changes from liberal to conservative just because of who is President. Judges should be independent.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Is Clinton going to be asked if she has the discipline?

    No this is an attack Trump question.

    So many of the questions have been this....a setup up for one or the other to attack the other.

    How about some questions on domestic policy?
    There you go.. supreme court justices. Still don't get why the courts are so politicised here.
    Ridiculous it changes from liberal to conservative just because of who is President. Judges should be independent.
    Yep. Another thing we do right in the UK.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited October 2016

    @IainDale: Hillary's problem in this debate is that after 75 minutes I can't remember a damn thing she's said. Trump's problem is that I can...

    The whole thing has been just surreal. 3hrs of debates, and I still have bugger all idea what their policies actually are...I have zero idea about Clinton's.
  • What is campaign contributions to do with the Supreme Court ?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Frank Luntz
    CORRECTION: Trump is NOT tanking on foreign policy.

    This is actually an improvement from the first #debate. https://t.co/lleb8RSF46
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    They let him ask her a question - "Why don't you fund your own campaign?" - but don't let her answer it.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Moderators are rubbish, Trump might have rescued his campaign tonight but he is 5% behind.
  • Only the last question, do we actually get a proper policy question.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    nunu said:

    Moderators are rubbish, Trump might have rescued his campaign tonight but he is 5% behind.

    Amazed it wasn't 90 minutes on the tapes, to be honest.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963

    @IainDale: Hillary's problem in this debate is that after 75 minutes I can't remember a damn thing she's said. Trump's problem is that I can...

    The whole thing has been just surreal. 3hrs of debates, and I still have bugger all idea what their policies actually are...I have zero idea about Clinton's.
    She wants to move America forwards, and be good because when America is good it's great...crystal clear, no?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    What is campaign contributions to do with the Supreme Court ?

    I think it is about the citizens united judgement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC?wprov=sfla1
  • Audience looks so alienated and hostile.
  • Essexit said:

    @IainDale: Hillary's problem in this debate is that after 75 minutes I can't remember a damn thing she's said. Trump's problem is that I can...

    The whole thing has been just surreal. 3hrs of debates, and I still have bugger all idea what their policies actually are...I have zero idea about Clinton's.
    She wants to move America forwards, and be good because when America is good it's great...crystal clear, no?
    That really is about the level of the two debates. Secondary school kids could have a higher level of debate on policy than these two.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Andrew said:

    Trump was 5.8 at the start, let's see how it goes. Betfair last time was a pretty accurate summary of public reaction to the debate.

    He's now 5.3.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.107373419
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