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As per the new format of the show each guest chooses some polling that they think is interesting and the group discuss what it means. Topics discussed this week include:
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Glorious first!0
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Cheque is in the post, TSE!0
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Third like Murray in SPOTY.0
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Third - like Johnson
OK 4th like Stein0 -
FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
See Democrats playing the Racist card again (Bill Clinton). Didn't work in June, won't work in November.0
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Watching The King's Speech on Film 4 right now
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Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
TSE = public school educated son of a whore!TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers so thick?0 -
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.0 -
Damn, you got me!John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
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I've told you yesterday don't say that, the idiotic halfwit TCPoliticalbetting will be calling you a misogynist for saying stuff like that.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Errr, John, we don't need to hear about your encounters with ladies of the night.John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
Very naughty, Mr. M, but there is a lot of truth in that.John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
On a side note thanks for that book recommendation earlier on today. I bought it and read a couple of chapters whilst waiting for Herself to dish up supper. The question I have is why did they stop actually teaching that stuff at school?0 -
There's an error in your logic, I'm afraid, Mr. Eagles.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.
(Any better than none) does not imply (many better than few).0 -
BTW, did you see Lord Desai tabled a bill which would enable your benign (ahem) dictatorship by removing Parliamentary term limits?|TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.0 -
I did, it got me all excited at midnight, thinking I'd have to do a thread on the end of the Fixed Term Parliament ActRobD said:
BTW, did you see Lord Desai tabled a bill which would enable your benign (ahem) dictatorship by removing Parliamentary term limits?|TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.0 -
Another A lister. Shows what you get when you select people on the basis of them having a ****.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
I'm knackered. I've been at Old Trafford, though it sounded like I was in Karachi, my hearing has gone, brain hurts.ThreeQuidder said:
There's an error in your logic, I'm afraid, Mr. Eagles.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.
(Any better than none) does not imply (many better than few).
And I'm saying the logic fail was all Mrs Leadsom's.0 -
I hope you were sitting down!TheScreamingEagles said:
I did, it got me all excited at midnight, thinking I'd have to do a thread on the end of the Fixed Term Parliament ActRobD said:
BTW, did you see Lord Desai tabled a bill which would enable your benign (ahem) dictatorship by removing Parliamentary term limits?|TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.
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The Sun have reported the move out of Parliament in some style:
Sir Winston Churchill died 51 years ago but an parliament insider said his poo may still be in the sewage system because the pipes are so old.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1744926/politicians-have-to-leave-the-houses-of-parliament-for-five-years-while-10billion-refurb-takes-place/0 -
I think it must be linked to the brutalist school of architecture. Function over beauty. We seem to have lost faith in the need to write beautifully and lucidly. One of my great pleasures when reading PB is the eloquence with which many posters express themselves. Long may it continue.HurstLlama said:
Very naughty, Mr. M, but there is a lot of truth in that.John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
On a side note thanks for that book recommendation earlier on today. I bought it and read a couple of chapters whilst waiting for Herself to dish up supper. The question I have is why did they stop actually teaching that stuff at school?0 -
I was in bed, putting the finishing touches on that Jeremy Corbyn/bumblebee image.RobD said:
I hope you were sitting down!TheScreamingEagles said:
I did, it got me all excited at midnight, thinking I'd have to do a thread on the end of the Fixed Term Parliament ActRobD said:
BTW, did you see Lord Desai tabled a bill which would enable your benign (ahem) dictatorship by removing Parliamentary term limits?|TheScreamingEagles said:
It is a silly argument, you can argue that old people's votes should count more as they've contributed a working lifetime to the Exchequer.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?
But the flip side that the youth are more important than the oldies is as daft as Andrea Leadsom's argument that she'd be a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, because she had children and Mrs May doesn't.
By the Leadsom argument, Mick Philpott is the most eminently qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister.0 -
I think you are on the side of Angels Rob, never fearRobD said:
Damn, you got me!John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?. 0 -
I can assure you that I have never had to deal with ladies of negotiable affectionrcs1000 said:
Errr, John, we don't need to hear about your encounters with ladies of the night.John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?. 0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-37286600TheScreamingEagles said:
I've told you yesterday don't say that, the idiotic halfwit TCPoliticalbetting will be calling you a misogynist for saying stuff like that.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"But the Philippine leader, who has insulted prominent figures before, is not the only one guilty of offending world leaders.
"From a "sadistic nurse" to "the devil" himself, here are some of the more memorable comments made by or about those in positions of power."
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In the last few years I've been to Parliament a few times.Tissue_Price said:The Sun have reported the move out of Parliament in some style:
Sir Winston Churchill died 51 years ago but an parliament insider said his poo may still be in the sewage system because the pipes are so old.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1744926/politicians-have-to-leave-the-houses-of-parliament-for-five-years-while-10billion-refurb-takes-place/
On every occasion I saw a mouse or rat, once millimetres from my food.
To say I went all ponceyboots gaylord would be an understatement.0 -
Lets get this party started....0
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If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
Lolz
Dan Hannan
I'm starting to think that we Leavers need an equivalent to @eddieizzard's pink beret. I'm trying out this look... https://t.co/y7grEMsdyE0 -
Yeah, she was a condom seller, and she was providing you with a demo how to use her product.John_M said:
I can assure you that I have never had to deal with ladies of negotiable affectionrcs1000 said:
Errr, John, we don't need to hear about your encounters with ladies of the night.John_M said:
Most Remainers I come across are vacuous millennials who think a 2:2 from a former polytechnic somehow imbues their incoherent ramblings and half-grasped 2nd hand opinions with intellectual rigour.RobD said:
Isn't the insinuation that old people shouldn't have a say? I've heard that a lot from some Remainers (not on here though). So it isn't totally separate.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?.0 -
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.
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best selling book?tlg86 said:
Another A lister. Shows what you get when you select people on the basis of them having a ****.TheScreamingEagles said:God, Louise fucking Mensch. Honestly.
Why are Leavers so thick? Ah got it, she went to Oxford.
Louise Mensch Confuses Fabric Night Club With Brexit, Gets Comically Torn Apart
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-mensch-brexit-fabric_uk_57cff2f5e4b0d45ff8706b1c?0 -
A first-round match at the US Open is under investigation after suspicious betting patterns were detected.
The Tennis Integrity Unit (TIU) said it was looking into Timea Bacsinszky's win over Vitalia Diatchenko.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/373027080 -
I would say bonkers money, but then the UFC was bought for $4bn a few weeks ago.ThreeQuidder said:0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbvyZDFPwgPlatoSaid said:Lolz
Dan Hannan
I'm starting to think that we Leavers need an equivalent to @eddieizzard's pink beret. I'm trying out this look... https://t.co/y7grEMsdyE0 -
For the record, there are around 45 MPs who are neither rats nor mice.TheScreamingEagles said:
In the last few years I've been to Parliament a few times.Tissue_Price said:The Sun have reported the move out of Parliament in some style:
Sir Winston Churchill died 51 years ago but an parliament insider said his poo may still be in the sewage system because the pipes are so old.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1744926/politicians-have-to-leave-the-houses-of-parliament-for-five-years-while-10billion-refurb-takes-place/
On every occasion I saw a mouse or rat, once millimetres from my food.
To say I went all ponceyboots gaylord would be an understatement.0 -
Surely these tennis players' names are anagrams of something?FrancisUrquhart said:A first-round match at the US Open is under investigation after suspicious betting patterns were detected.
The Tennis Integrity Unit (TIU) said it was looking into Timea Bacsinszky's win over Vitalia Diatchenko.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/373027080 -
But how many of the MPs aren't lizards?rcs1000 said:
For the record, there are around 45 MPs who are neither rats nor mice.TheScreamingEagles said:
In the last few years I've been to Parliament a few times.Tissue_Price said:The Sun have reported the move out of Parliament in some style:
Sir Winston Churchill died 51 years ago but an parliament insider said his poo may still be in the sewage system because the pipes are so old.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1744926/politicians-have-to-leave-the-houses-of-parliament-for-five-years-while-10billion-refurb-takes-place/
On every occasion I saw a mouse or rat, once millimetres from my food.
To say I went all ponceyboots gaylord would be an understatement.0 -
Murray's definitely showing off his Scottish heritage0
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The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?
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Murray now lost his serve and 6-5 down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
Who has won both Wimbledon and the Olympics this year!David_Evershed said:
Murray now lost his serve and 6-- down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium0
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To the salt mines with the Scottish lad...0
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I bet you have been storing that up all night.TheScreamingEagles said:There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium
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I saw Nishikori beat Murray in 2014 at the London O2 (ATP World Tour Finals).0
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They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
Leader of Black Lives Matter UK ‘blacked up’ and pretended to be ‘in the minstrels’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1745441/leader-of-black-lives-matter-uk-blacked-up-and-pretended-to-be-in-the-minstrels/0 -
Murray (the Scot) loses in the Quarter Finals. SPOTY guaranteed.HYUFD said:
Who has won both Wimbledon and the Olympics this year!David_Evershed said:
Murray now lost his serve and 6-- down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
*Innocent Face*FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet you have been storing that up all night.TheScreamingEagles said:There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium
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There's an emoji for that:TheScreamingEagles said:
*Innocent Face*FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet you have been storing that up all night.TheScreamingEagles said:There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium
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He already has one U.S. Open Championship to his name even if he missed out this year but it is hard to see past Mo Farah for SPOTYDavid_Evershed said:
Murray (the Scot) loses in the Quarter Finals. SPOTY guaranteed.HYUFD said:
Who has won both Wimbledon and the Olympics this year!David_Evershed said:
Murray now lost his serve and 6-- down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
I don't see the resemblance to Sally Bercow.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There's an emoji for that:TheScreamingEagles said:
*Innocent Face*FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet you have been storing that up all night.TheScreamingEagles said:There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium
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Farah has done the double plenty of times before and not come close.HYUFD said:
He already has one U.S. Open Championship to his name even if he missed out this year but it is hard to see past Mo Farah for SPOTYDavid_Evershed said:
Murray (the Scot) loses in the Quarter Finals. SPOTY guaranteed.HYUFD said:
Who has won both Wimbledon and the Olympics this year!David_Evershed said:
Murray now lost his serve and 6-- down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
Our local primary school refuses to teach for the 11 plus because the head doesn't believe in selective education. Sod what the parents think. The sooner academisation is forced upon it the better.HYUFD said:
They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
Who or what is Sally Bercow?williamglenn said:
I don't see the resemblance to Sally Bercow.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There's an emoji for that:TheScreamingEagles said:
*Innocent Face*FrancisUrquhart said:
I bet you have been storing that up all night.TheScreamingEagles said:There won't be a dry Japanese eye in the stadium
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Probably thinks Oxbridge is only full of Eton toffs and is totally against such Elitist institutions. I have heard that been uttered in state schools far too often.Cookie said:
Our local primary school refuses to teach for the 11 plus because the head doesn't believe in selective education. Sod what the parents think. The sooner academisation is forced upon it the better.HYUFD said:
They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
But if you have a high IQ and practice the test, you can go from 99 percentile to 99.99 percentile.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
Did somebody say on the previous thread there was no sign of Ken talking about Hitler today...
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/7735327739947253760 -
Anyone who sets out to limit the opportunities of the children under their care should be removed from the teaching profession. Simple as that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Probably thinks Oxbridge is only full of Eton toffs and is totally against such Elitist institutions. I have heard that been uttered in state schools far too often.Cookie said:
Our local primary school refuses to teach for the 11 plus because the head doesn't believe in selective education. Sod what the parents think. The sooner academisation is forced upon it the better.HYUFD said:
They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
@leobarasi straw clutching on the "Labour Brand" Ashcroft polling on the podcast. Putting the straw clutching aside, when did we start believing Ashcroft polling was any good again?0
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He clearly needs time to get enough to drink before heading out to talk to the mediaFrancisUrquhart said:Did somebody say on the previous thread there was no sign of Ken talking about Hitler today...
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/7735327739947253760 -
The next level up from Dutch courage is Dutch dickhead.oxfordsimon said:
He clearly needs time to get enough to drink before heading out to talk to the mediaFrancisUrquhart said:Did somebody say on the previous thread there was no sign of Ken talking about Hitler today...
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/7735327739947253760 -
You only need to be in the 75-90 percentile to get to a grammar schoolMTimT said:
But if you have a high IQ and practice the test, you can go from 99 percentile to 99.99 percentile.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?0 -
The polling on what people want from Brexit...isn't it really just the same from when the public are asked about government priorities, they always want more money for NHS, Schools, Police, Army, but also no real changes to taxes, no cuts elsewhere etc.0
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Indeed, some get to grammars in spite of, not because of, their primary schoolsCookie said:
Our local primary school refuses to teach for the 11 plus because the head doesn't believe in selective education. Sod what the parents think. The sooner academisation is forced upon it the better.HYUFD said:
They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. -plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as agility?0 -
Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms0 -
Yes but he is near retirement so doing it this time is extra special and he is favourite this year in my viewPulpstar said:
Farah has done the double plenty of times before and not come close.HYUFD said:
He already has one U.S. Open Championship to his name even if he missed out this year but it is hard to see past Mo Farah for SPOTYDavid_Evershed said:
Murray (the Scot) loses in the Quarter Finals. SPOTY guaranteed.HYUFD said:
Who has won both Wimbledon and the Olympics this year!David_Evershed said:
Murray now lost his serve and 6-- down in the fifth set. SPOTY looms. Plucky Brit loser.David_Evershed said:
Don't worry. If Murray loses in the US Open quarter finals, the British public will elevate him to SPOTY.tlg86 said:Third like Murray in SPOTY.
4-4 fifth set.
Murray fell apart after the PA system made a bleep in the middle of a point in the fourth set when he was coasting along.0 -
They need to grow up. Such petty behaviour only makes them look bad.AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms0 -
They want controlled migration and single market membership, so in the end May will have to try and combine the twoFrancisUrquhart said:The polling on what people want from Brexit...isn't it really just the same from when the public are asked about government priorities, they always want more money for NHS, Schools, Police, Army, but also no real changes to taxes, no cuts elsewhere etc.
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Handing out a few EU flags to wave? Does that really count as a protest? There have been EU flags there before and they will be drowned by Union Jacks anyway. Goodnightoxfordsimon said:
They need to grow up. Such petty behaviour only makes them look bad.AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms0 -
Hope someone hands out bigger Union Jacks!HYUFD said:
Handing out a few EU flags to wave? Does that really count as a protest? There have been EU flags there before and they will be drowned by Union Jacks anyway. Goodnightoxfordsimon said:
They need to grow up. Such petty behaviour only makes them look bad.AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms0 -
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
Whilst waiting for the NBC Forum, I found this news item convincing me that governments need a lost dog or cat policy and a zoo policy for the sentimental reasons of voters (Benji in Yes Minister):
https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/773587502024257536
As for Owen Smith, no he doesn't have a single chance.0 -
He's probably doing the kids a favour. Anyone who scrapes into grammar school on the back of extensive tutoring probably isn't going to benefit from grammar school anyway. The parents of one of son's friends decided against sending him to grammar school even though he just about managed a pass, precisely because they thought struggling at school wouldn't do much for his self confidence. He's now doing very well at the excellent local comprehensive and will probably end up with better grades than he would have achieved at grammar school.oxfordsimon said:
Anyone who sets out to limit the opportunities of the children under their care should be removed from the teaching profession. Simple as that.FrancisUrquhart said:
Probably thinks Oxbridge is only full of Eton toffs and is totally against such Elitist institutions. I have heard that been uttered in state schools far too often.Cookie said:
Our local primary school refuses to teach for the 11 plus because the head doesn't believe in selective education. Sod what the parents think. The sooner academisation is forced upon it the better.HYUFD said:
They already are, however extra tuition does not guarantee success, plenty of private schools used to take most of their intake from 11 plus failures with wealthy parents, while some children of bus drivers and binmen made it to grammar schoolDavid_Evershed said:
The fair way is for everyone to be tutored at school.HYUFD said:
If you have a high raw IQ you should pass a proper IQ test with no preparation at all, if you have a low raw IQ even heavy tutoring does not guarantee a passrcs1000 said:FPT:
Is that possible?MaxPB said:
Time to fix the exams so they are unable to be gamed.FeersumEnjineeya said:Tutoring was virtually unheard of when I attended grammar school in the early 80s, but times have changed since then. My son started at the same school last year and, although, I didn't hire an external tutor for him, I did spend a lot of time working through practise papers with him myself. He was rather the exception; almost all of his classmates had substantial tuition before taking the 11-plus.
I mean, I know that SATs are supposed to measure aptitude (as with IQ tests), but there is ample evidence that practice and training has a dramatic effect on results. And, do you really want children to spend 18 months drilling on fairly standardised tests of mental agility?
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Both of them?AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
I can't think of a worse night to make a protest than Last Night of the Proms with the British flag waving and triumphalist finale to Land of Hope and Glory etc ... the idea anyone at the end of Last Night is going to become pro-Remain when they weren't before is about as likely as John McDonnell being appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer by our new PM.0 -
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
Very proud of my party and our PM tonight. Grammar schools are what got me an Oxbridge education and the confidence to start my own business, and what got me interested in politics. Perhaps philanthropy could be used to found more/expand existing...0
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Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
The official EU flag is very ugly though:FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas#European_Flag_proposal
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2004/sep/15/2
It was actually used for a short period between 2004-2006.0 -
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
Pretty sure that ain't the official EU flag!Speedy said:
The official EU flag is very ugly though:FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas#European_Flag_proposal
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2004/sep/15/2
It was actually used for a short period between 2004-2006.0 -
If someone identifies 100% with the UK, that's no reason to abolish town councils (or to leave the EU). The principle of subsidiarity requires appropriate tiers for decision making.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
There are times when I wish Sunil was on here 24/7.williamglenn said:
If someone identifies 100% with the UK, that's no reason to abolish town councils (or to leave the EU). The principle of subsidiarity requires appropriate tiers for decision making.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
The people have spoken, they're keen for the central and highest authority to be the parliament that only their own demos votes for.0 -
It was for a short period until the negative reaction forced it to be quietly selved.RobD said:
Pretty sure that ain't the official EU flag!Speedy said:
The official EU flag is very ugly though:FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas#European_Flag_proposal
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2004/sep/15/2
It was actually used for a short period between 2004-2006.
I remember mocking it back then, when I read "EU flag campaigner" I remembered it again.0 -
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
And Neville Chamberlain was very keen on peace... The modern world for a medium sized power isn't like that and the result of a referendum isn't going to change it, only to diminish our influence on the power structures which affect us.Mortimer said:The people have spoken, they're keen for the central and highest authority to be the parliament that only their own demos votes for.
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Erm, I was disagreeing with you.Mortimer said:
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
Will you ever accept the idea that you might be wrong about it?williamglenn said:
And Neville Chamberlain was very keen on peace... The modern world for a medium sized power isn't like that and the result of a referendum isn't going to change it, only to diminish our influence on the power structures which affect us.Mortimer said:The people have spoken, they're keen for the central and highest authority to be the parliament that only their own demos votes for.
In the words of the good lady. Brexit means Brexit.0 -
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
It's the PB equivalent of yelling MORNINGTON CRESCENT! Game over. No more discussion.0 -
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.Mortimer said:
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
Yup.FeersumEnjineeya said:LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
It's the PB equivalent of yelling MORNINGTON CRESCENT! Game over. No more discussion.
The people have spoken.
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There is, of course, a Birmingham City Council.Mortimer said:
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.Mortimer said:
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0 -
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....FeersumEnjineeya said:
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.Mortimer said:
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.Mortimer said:
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.Mortimer said:
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?williamglenn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or question.Mortimer said:
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....williamglenn said:
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."AndyJS said:Pro-EU protesters planning to make their presence felt at the Last Night Of The Proms:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/07/pro-eu-protest-planned-for-last-night-of-the-proms
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.0
