It's the PB equivalent of yelling MORNINGTON CRESCENT! Game over. No more discussion.
Yup.
The people have spoken.
Don't you love the smell of democracy in the morning?
I don't recall that democracy requires the suppression of all dissenting opinion after a vote.
And I don't recall that democracy empowers the losers with decision making capabilities. Or did I miss Ed Miliband becoming a cabinet minister after 2015 GE?
It's the PB equivalent of yelling MORNINGTON CRESCENT! Game over. No more discussion.
Yup.
The people have spoken.
Don't you love the smell of democracy in the morning?
I don't recall that democracy requires the suppression of all dissenting opinion after a vote.
And I don't recall that democracy empowers the losers with decision making capabilities. Or did I miss Ed Miliband becoming a cabinet minister after 2015 GE?
One of the losers is Prime Minister, remember? You must have missed it.
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
The difference, of course, is that the BCC although directly elected, exists at the whim of the British government.
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
The difference, of course, is that the BCC although directly elected, exists at the whim of the British government.
A circular argument. You're justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis of its supremacy.
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
The difference, of course, is that the BCC although directly elected, exists at the whim of the British government.
A circular argument. You're justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis of its supremacy.
Not the case, actually. I'm justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis that it is the most supreme political institution that our people feel allegiant too.
And trying to make you understand that just because you happen to feel allegiant to Brum, that is no reason not to LEAVE.
< Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
The difference, of course, is that the BCC although directly elected, exists at the whim of the British government.
A circular argument. You're justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis of its supremacy.
Not the case, actually. I'm justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis that it is the most supreme political institution that our people feel allegiant too.
And trying to make you understand that just because you happen to feel allegiant to Brum, that is no reason not to LEAVE.
(And I say this as a Baggie!)
I never claimed that my (occasional) allegiance to Brum was a reason for anything! The only point I was making was that it is possible to feel allegiance to different scales of political entity. This was in response to your implication that feeling British and feeling European are mutually exclusive possibilities. When in Europe, I tend to feel British - or, to honest, English - while when in the US, for example, I tend to feel, and often be treated as, European. (When in yam-yam land, though, I'm Brummie.)
< Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
There is of, course, a Birmingham City Council.
There is - and I guess you could count on the fingers of one hand how many people would be prepared to wave a BCC flag....
Nevertheless, the BCC is an elected body with executive powers, and no-one is proposing that it should be disbanded merely because the inhabitants of Birmingham may feel more British than Brummie.
The difference, of course, is that the BCC although directly elected, exists at the whim of the British government.
A circular argument. You're justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis of its supremacy.
Not the case, actually. I'm justifying the supremacy of the British government on the basis that it is the most supreme political institution that our people feel allegiant too.
And trying to make you understand that just because you happen to feel allegiant to Brum, that is no reason not to LEAVE.
(And I say this as a Baggie!)
I never claimed that my (occasional) allegiance to Brum was a reason for anything! The only point I was making was that it is possible to feel allegiance to different scales of political entity. This was in response to your implication that feeling British and feeling European are mutually exclusive possibilities. When in Europe, I tend to feel British - or, to honest, English - while when in the US, for example, I tend to feel, and often be treated as, European. (When in yam-yam land, though, I'm Brummie.)
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
I'm not really fussed about the Putin stuff. The leader of US Communist party has endorsed Hillary.
Hillary can bore you to death with waffle, and it's plainly obvious that she hates people.
Trump would probably lease half of America to Putin in exchange for a compliment, and it's plainly obvious that he loves people and loves to please the crowd.
Interestingly neither attacked each other much, it was mostly positive.
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
I'm not really fussed about the Putin stuff. The leader of US Communist party has endorsed Hillary.
But how many know that communists have endorsed Hillary?
Anyway I'm fussed, this was a forum about military and foreign policy, you are supposed to be appear patriotic, not to lick a foreign leader's behinds.
If it wasn't for the Putin love stuff Trump would have easily beaten Hillary, so it depends on how many really care about it.
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
I'm not really fussed about the Putin stuff. The leader of US Communist party has endorsed Hillary. </bloc
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Well Trump did coast through the Khan and McCain controversies in a military forum like they never happened, I guess you can count it as a plus.
But the Putin stuff bothers me in that it created the impression to me that Trump would sell his country for a compliment.
My view on grammar schools: if they're not popular with the upper classes and wealthy, they have to be a good idea almost by definition.
Luckily at my primary, throughout Junior level (7 years to 11 years) we had regular "Interval tests", weekly spelling and mental arithmetic tests, and in the run-up to 11-plus, practice verbal/non-verbal reasoning papers. Eight of us in our class went on to Grammar School, inc. yous truly
"The EU flag campaigner said she did not expect everyone to take one. “We’ll hand out as many as possible, we’ve got thousands. This is not really about the remain, leave debate, it is a celebration of what we’ve got now ... this is what the EU has done for music."
What I find weird is that lots of people don't seem to be able to separate Europe / European countries from the political unions that is the EU.
It makes sense for political structures to be congruent with people's identities, no? Given that there is a European federation it is natural for people to wish to see their own European nation play a full part in it and not sit on the sidelines.
Ask the public if they associate with UK or EU and it'll be something like 90/10 UK....
It shouldn't be an either/or question.
Why? It makes sense for individuals to have more affinity with one political structure than more than one, no?
It's quite possible to feel both British and European, depending on the context. In my case, I'm also an Englishman, a Midlander and a Brummie as the situation demands.
Quite. Only one real demos, real political structure in England. The UK.
Erm, I was disagreeing with you.
Yup - but in doing so you identified no definitive political structure. There is no English parliament. No Midland assembly.
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Well Trump did coast through the Khan and McCain controversies in a military forum like they never happened, I guess you can count it as a plus.
But the Putin stuff bothers me in that it created the impression to me that Trump would sell his country for a compliment.
What bothers me is he actually vseems to have no idea what he is talking about. Like seriously just take their oil? What? How ? What? The actual fuck, I know you don't like Hillary and want the proletariat to overturn the bourgeoisie going on your support for Corbyn and Trump but he is not the one to do it. o_O
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Katie Hopkins appears to be the Friedrich Hayek of the alt-right.
The former Ukip leader is one of a number of outspoken public figures, including the columnist Katie Hopkins, who is understood to have held talks with the pro-Moscow broadcaster.
As for the outcome of this election, we'll find out for sure come November. But if we follow CafePress' sales so far this year, Trump is winning by a little more than 20 percent.
So far this year, Clinton-bashing merchandise sales have been a whopping 814.88 percent higher than that for anti-Trump merchandise.
As for the outcome of this election, we'll find out for sure come November. But if we follow CafePress' sales so far this year, Trump is winning by a little more than 20 percent.
So far this year, Clinton-bashing merchandise sales have been a whopping 814.88 percent higher than that for anti-Trump merchandise.
How surprising is it really that the customer base in Kentucky (OK, for an Internet firm based there) for badges, baseball caps and bumper stickers with political slogans on them leans toward Trump?
As for the outcome of this election, we'll find out for sure come November. But if we follow CafePress' sales so far this year, Trump is winning by a little more than 20 percent.
So far this year, Clinton-bashing merchandise sales have been a whopping 814.88 percent higher than that for anti-Trump merchandise.
How surprising is it really that the customer base in Kentucky (OK, for an Internet firm based there) for badges, baseball caps and bumper stickers with political slogans on them leans toward Trump?
Not sure the physical location of a company that mainly sells things via the internet actually matters
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
There is a hardcore that will vote for Trump no matter what probably about 40% but the quotes the main news channels are using are not good for him. Believe me that take their oil line will lose him moderate Republicans.
There is a hardcore that will vote for Trump no matter what probably about 40% but the quotes the main news channels are using are not good for him. Believe me that take their oil line will lose him moderate Republicans.
Wishful thinking. Trump's 'take the oil' has been a common refrain since the primaries. He's winning the race.
There is a hardcore that will vote for Trump no matter what probably about 40% but the quotes the main news channels are using are not good for him. Believe me that take their oil line will lose him moderate Republicans.
Wishful thinking. Trump's 'take the oil' has been a common refrain since the primaries. He's winning the race.
I don't think he's winning... he certainly has closed the gap though.
As for the outcome of this election, we'll find out for sure come November. But if we follow CafePress' sales so far this year, Trump is winning by a little more than 20 percent.
So far this year, Clinton-bashing merchandise sales have been a whopping 814.88 percent higher than that for anti-Trump merchandise.
Hillary4Prison was an inspired t-shirt idea. It's very funny.
There is a hardcore that will vote for Trump no matter what probably about 40% but the quotes the main news channels are using are not good for him. Believe me that take their oil line will lose him moderate Republicans.
Wishful thinking. Trump's 'take the oil' has been a common refrain since the primaries. He's winning the race.
I don't think he's winning... he certainly has closed the gap though.
It looks Colin Powell responded to an email from Hillary on how to get around security rules telling her to be very careful/but he sort of did it himself too using a Heath-Robinson IT set up way back in PDAland.
That will take a bit of the sting out of the charges - but it seems a bit late to be saying I'm As Bad As Someone Else From Years Ago.
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
"In a nation in which the Kremlin controls the airwaves, opinions can also be easily swayed, because few contrary opinions can be found in the mainstream."
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal. And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary. And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
Did you hear when he said Putin has 82% support in his country....
Trump may well be right in his objectives regarding Putin, although quite possibly for the wrong reasons.
The largest geopolitical threat to US is probably the closer links between Russia and China who share a hatred of American domination in influence, trade, military and finance. They now act together in a way premeditated to overturn the American position.
If Trump managed to fracture that Russia China axis by altering the US Russia relationship he would probably serve his nations interests well.
It looks Colin Powell responded to an email from Hillary on how to get around security rules telling her to be very careful/but he sort of did it himself too using a Heath-Robinson IT set up way back in PDAland.
That will take a bit of the sting out of the charges - but it seems a bit late to be saying I'm As Bad As Someone Else From Years Ago.
This (Colin Powell's involvement) is old news. If you think it is new news, you may be relying on biased sources.
So far as I can see from our side of the Atlantic, the whole email security charge resonates only with military voters who are routinely drilled in handling classified information (which most of them will never see) and who lean heavily to the GOP anyway.
That is why, if I were the running Trump's campaign, I'd ease off on preaching to the choir and instead focus on the charge more likely to peel off Democrat supporters: that Hillary was trying to evade FoI requests (similar to Michael Gove over here, of course).
Or for the small government Republicans also having doubts about Trump, that Hillary and Colin Powell had to do something because the official email service was unusable and often non-existent -- a failure of government, and Trump would get the best people on it (one of his standard tropes).
£10bn?! I guess this is what happens when you stop the cheap Polish builders from coming here.
Am always very dubious about numbers like that (I'd thought it was 1.5bn) they've probably included rent for QEII at the premium daily rate, etc, to get to it.
It will be expensive because it's a World Heritage site but it's worth doing right
It looks Colin Powell responded to an email from Hillary on how to get around security rules telling her to be very careful/but he sort of did it himself too using a Heath-Robinson IT set up way back in PDAland.
That will take a bit of the sting out of the charges - but it seems a bit late to be saying I'm As Bad As Someone Else From Years Ago.
This (Colin Powell's involvement) is old news. If you think it is new news, you may be relying on biased sources.
So far as I can see from our side of the Atlantic, the whole email security charge resonates only with military voters who are routinely drilled in handling classified information (which most of them will never see) and who lean heavily to the GOP anyway.
That is why, if I were the running Trump's campaign, I'd ease off on preaching to the choir and instead focus on the charge more likely to peel off Democrat supporters: that Hillary was trying to evade FoI requests (similar to Michael Gove over here, of course).
Or for the small government Republicans also having doubts about Trump, that Hillary and Colin Powell had to do something because the official email service was unusable and often non-existent -- a failure of government, and Trump would get the best people on it (one of his standard tropes).
The House Democrats released the email exchange yesterday... Now if you'd like to call that old or NBC particularly biased again.
It looks Colin Powell responded to an email from Hillary on how to get around security rules telling her to be very careful/but he sort of did it himself too using a Heath-Robinson IT set up way back in PDAland.
That will take a bit of the sting out of the charges - but it seems a bit late to be saying I'm As Bad As Someone Else From Years Ago.
This (Colin Powell's involvement) is old news. If you think it is new news, you may be relying on biased sources.
So far as I can see from our side of the Atlantic, the whole email security charge resonates only with military voters who are routinely drilled in handling classified information (which most of them will never see) and who lean heavily to the GOP anyway.
That is why, if I were the running Trump's campaign, I'd ease off on preaching to the choir and instead focus on the charge more likely to peel off Democrat supporters: that Hillary was trying to evade FoI requests (similar to Michael Gove over here, of course).
Or for the small government Republicans also having doubts about Trump, that Hillary and Colin Powell had to do something because the official email service was unusable and often non-existent -- a failure of government, and Trump would get the best people on it (one of his standard tropes).
The House Democrats released the email exchange yesterday... Now if you'd like to call that old or NBC particularly biased again.
£10bn?! I guess this is what happens when you stop the cheap Polish builders from coming here.
Am always very dubious about numbers like that (I'd thought it was 1.5bn) they've probably included rent for QEII at the premium daily rate, etc, to get to it.
It will be expensive because it's a World Heritage site but it's worth doing right
Surely Parliament could pass a law declaring they will be occupying the QEII centre rent-free?
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Only moaners seem to be trying to get in her way.
Brexit means Brexit.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/773654295791054852
And trying to make you understand that just because you happen to feel allegiant to Brum, that is no reason not to LEAVE.
(And I say this as a Baggie!)
"I have a lot of experience dealing with classified material." - @HillaryClinton explaining why she didn't recognize classified markings.
This NBC forum is painful viewing
Cost a lot of money for us
Well done guys way to go..... BLM
WATCH: Navy vet asks Clinton how she expects those with access to classified info to trust her #NBCNewsForum https://t.co/dXTCqjmfHd
However she is deflecting every question and turning it on Trump.
Waffle with as many useless details as possible, then say Trump did the same mistakes as I did.
Now she is waffling about her achievements in Afghanistan.
It was terrible.
So Hillary waffled the whole time and occasionally attacked Trump for a few seconds each time.
Her last answer lasted 4 minutes talking non stop with so much waffle I forgot what the question was.
I give her 4/10, just for not doing any gaffes.
Her whole performance was like content free.
Edit- ok sounds like I am too late
The campaigns agreed to this forum though. Pretty sure at least one is regretting that now. https://t.co/56xpKkbpep
His strategy seems to be " the world is scamming us".
Lying with bluster.
Trump said the word regret about inflammatory things.
She's really stroppy looking
Now we are back to ISIS, what is Trump's plan.
Trump:
We go in we beat them and we don't know what we are doing, Iraq, Iran, Obama, TAKE THE OIL.
(If Hillary's performance was sleepy, Trump's is WTF)
John Kerry is a disaster, the experts said the opposite of Obama.
Immigration now.
Trump is open to legalize immigrants that served in the military, that's new.
Now back to foreign policy.
Trump:
China is disrespectful, I will have a great relationship with Russia.
I will get along.
Now they are debating about how great Putin is.
WATCH: Veteran confronts Hillary Clinton on her handling of classified information https://t.co/uWaNJKTIUL https://t.co/NulqYNSUJ4
Trump just suggested he's open to letting undocumented people who serve in the military gain legal status.
Probably a good thing that @MLauer won't be a debate moderator.
#NBCNewsForum
Given Lauer is a Hillary donor...
!!!!!
Trump on Putin: “He has been more of a leader than our own president has been.”
#NBCNewsForum
Trump:
"I have a great relationship with the vets"
"people are dying waiting in line"
Trump knows a statistic, 22 veterans kill themselves each day.
His plan is I think the government to fund private insurance for veterans.
Now another question about sexual assaults.
Trump is more fluid in his performance, taking a lot more questions than Hillary.
What are you doing to learn about the military and foreign policy?
"I met 88 generals and admirals, I also run a campaign and business"
.@realDonaldTrump says "Best thing we can do" on sexual assault in the military "is set up a court system within the military."
Trump: ISIS would not have formed "if we would've taken the oil"
#NBCNewsForum
Watch live: https://t.co/r5knQOlmKe https://t.co/JvcKUKRR3k
In 2012, @MittRomney endorsed legal status only for those who serve in military, like Trump just did. (Via @NPR) https://t.co/PfUoD43com
How can anyone vote for this bufoon?
Did...
Yes
Trump tried to make a nice closing argument filled with Make America Great/Strong Again.
Although his performance was much much more entertaining than Hillary's, it was also worse.
The segment where they ended up debating how popular Putin is was suicidal.
And he completely failed to persuade me that he is even trying to know about military or foreign policy, but he did persuade me that he is trying on military healthcare.
He was also very comfortable with the crowd and taking questions from them, the reverse of Hillary.
And gave an interesting answer about legalizing immigrants who sign up for the military, and coasted through the Khan and McCain controversies.
I give him 3/10.
It was like the audience was hoping that he would do ok, but his performance still lacks by a mile (his Putin stuff was the killer for me, without it he would have done ok).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/the-first-hillary-clinton-vs-donald-trump-showdown-of-2016-annotated/?postshare=7821473296582701&tid=ss_tw
Hillary can bore you to death with waffle, and it's plainly obvious that she hates people.
Trump would probably lease half of America to Putin in exchange for a compliment, and it's plainly obvious that he loves people and loves to please the crowd.
Interestingly neither attacked each other much, it was mostly positive.
Anyway I'm fussed, this was a forum about military and foreign policy, you are supposed to be appear patriotic, not to lick a foreign leader's behinds.
If it wasn't for the Putin love stuff Trump would have easily beaten Hillary, so it depends on how many really care about it.
Tonight's #NBCNewsForum will be a wash.
Clinton's demeanor will turn off many voters, as will Trump's vagueness during a 30-minute Q&A.
so it seems surprising that he's forgotten that military courts exist.
But both Hillary and Trump were vague, in their own style of course, I much more preferred Trump's vagueness style than Hillary's though.
Hillary reminded me of Gordon Brown at his worst.
Goodnight.
But the Putin stuff bothers me in that it created the impression to me that Trump would sell his country for a compliment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/why-i-wrote-about-john-mccains-health-in-2008-and-dont-think-we-should-write-about-hillarys-health-now/?postshare=3941473266863821&tid=ss_tw
Clinton: "We are not putting ground troops into Iraq ever again, and we're not putting ground troops into Syria." https://t.co/J40mfT0H0f
David French
That's news to around 5,000 men and women already there. https://t.co/HK7EZ99N8f
This is the man who got 'a thrill up his leg' whenever Obama spoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9fpKVXxCc
The media consensus is this:
https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/773712777529688068
They are not happy that Trump got away with it.
Maybe the forum wasn't as much of a disaster for Trump as I thought.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-to-understand-putins-jaw-droppingly-high-approval-ratings/2016/03/05/17f5d8f2-d5ba-11e5-a65b-587e721fb231_story.html
The former Ukip leader is one of a number of outspoken public figures, including the columnist Katie Hopkins, who is understood to have held talks with the pro-Moscow broadcaster.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/674936832010887168
http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2016/09/02/trump-or-clintonwhy-cafepress-sales-might-be-the.html
As for the outcome of this election, we'll find out for sure come November. But if we follow CafePress' sales so far this year, Trump is winning by a little more than 20 percent.
So far this year, Clinton-bashing merchandise sales have been a whopping 814.88 percent higher than that for anti-Trump merchandise.
For instance I watched a Hard Talk interview between Sarah Montague and Lindsey Graham. He's really very very impressive.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
That will take a bit of the sting out of the charges - but it seems a bit late to be saying I'm As Bad As Someone Else From Years Ago.
https://www.dailynews.co.zw/articles/2016/09/07/mugabe-s-zanu-pf-plots-survival
In fact Zanu-PF are starting to make Corbyns Labour look united.
The largest geopolitical threat to US is probably the closer links between Russia and China who share a hatred of American domination in influence, trade, military and finance. They now act together in a way premeditated to overturn the American position.
If Trump managed to fracture that Russia China axis by altering the US Russia relationship he would probably serve his nations interests well.
So far as I can see from our side of the Atlantic, the whole email security charge resonates only with military voters who are routinely drilled in handling classified information (which most of them will never see) and who lean heavily to the GOP anyway.
That is why, if I were the running Trump's campaign, I'd ease off on preaching to the choir and instead focus on the charge more likely to peel off Democrat supporters: that Hillary was trying to evade FoI requests (similar to Michael Gove over here, of course).
Or for the small government Republicans also having doubts about Trump, that Hillary and Colin Powell had to do something because the official email service was unusable and often non-existent -- a failure of government, and Trump would get the best people on it (one of his standard tropes).
It will be expensive because it's a World Heritage site but it's worth doing right
Quite funny though.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/house-democrats-release-email-between-colin-powell-hillary-clinton-n644616
America is fecked whoever wins and so Labour is with their leadership election
But the Republican establishment really needs to listen to voters on immigration if they want to avoid a Trump like situation again.