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Mr. M, indeed, it's a new situation, and a long term shift. How we and others adapt will determine how we do over the next fifty years or so.0
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The US might be about to get one. More will follow.
That may be so, but are these resets any more likely to deliver growth than what has gone before?
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Though its worth remembering in our post-Brexit phase that the Tories won a majority on the back of our economics. Which considering our best performing status was arguably justified.John_M said:
Think it's worth revisiting something I posted at the weekend. The UK economy has generally grown by about 25% per decade. In the ten years post-crash it's likely to come in at around half that - and it's the best performing of the big four European economies.Patrick said:
The establishment everywhere exudes self satisfaction and complacence. But it is the politics of failure - and that increasingly doesn't win votes. People everywhere are sick to death of their politicians not delivering for them and are starting to get comfortable not voting for the same old same old. Most western countries need a popular reset. We got a sort of one with Brexit. The US might be about to get one. More will follow.MaxPB said:
Indeed. One of the reasons people like Trump or Le Pen even get a look in is because the west is stuck in a rut of low and uneven growth. The poor are more likely to feel spending cuts and the least likely to feel the benefits of economic growth. Whether the government is Obama, Hollande, Cameron or others, there isn't an answer to this question that people are willing to accept or believe is true.John_M said:
EZ growth figures were nothing to write home about either. Plod, plod, plod: the western economies.MaxPB said:Very poor US ISM figures, it definitely feels like the US economy is slowing down. Probably good news for Trump given that Hillary is the continuity candidate. Sterling up to almost $1.34 on the news as well.
Combined with increased debt servicing costs and we're pretty much out of options. Assuming #Brexit punts the deficit reduction target to 2020-1, those costs will rise to ~4.5% of GDP.
If anything Brexit was about national confidence that we didn't need Europe. Had we been performing worse, we likely would have clung on to nurse.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...
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‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....0 -
Who knows? But if the resets wipe away an old order of elitist failures who believe they own the place and rule by right then it is a good thing in and of itself. Take the example of the Netherlands where I have lived 3 times. Assuming Geert Wilders and his PVV win an election (not a given - but let's assume) they may well fail as a government. But the Euro-loving socialist establishment will be gone. The slate would be clean for a successor government to succeed, not bound by the paralysing orthodoxies of today. The uncertainty of success beats the certainty of failure to my mind.taffys said:The US might be about to get one. More will follow.
That may be so, but are these resets any more likely to deliver growth than what has gone before?0 -
Mr. Urquhart, white privilege can be traced back to when the Romans won the Punic Wars.
Maximum racism by a white monoculture against an alliance of Liby-Phoenicians, Celts, and Numidians.0 -
PB Lives Matter!FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html0 -
A tad unlikely.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
Mr. 1000, I suspect a strong majority in the country would be happy with a middling departure (neither BINO nor the Faragian approach). But May needs to satisfy her party as well.0
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I see this is the new BBC / Guardian outcry hobbyhorse...
Controversial spit hoods are to be trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37286499
You can always tell when they don't agree, as they call it controversial.0 -
Not in the least surprised. Spoilt middle class white kids have been ‘speaking for’ and ‘protesting on behalf of’ their pet victims in the most condescending and patronising way for decades.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
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Although that better GDP growth is largely driven by immigration ironically. On a per capita basis it's about the same as the Eurozone - in particular, the UK does better than Italy but worse than Germany.John_M said:
Think it's worth revisiting something I posted at the weekend. The UK economy has generally grown by about 25% per decade. In the ten years post-crash it's likely to come in at around half that - and it's the best performing of the big four European economies.Patrick said:
The establishment everywhere exudes self satisfaction and complacence. But it is the politics of failure - and that increasingly doesn't win votes. People everywhere are sick to death of their politicians not delivering for them and are starting to get comfortable not voting for the same old same old. Most western countries need a popular reset. We got a sort of one with Brexit. The US might be about to get one. More will follow.MaxPB said:
Indeed. One of the reasons people like Trump or Le Pen even get a look in is because the west is stuck in a rut of low and uneven growth. The poor are more likely to feel spending cuts and the least likely to feel the benefits of economic growth. Whether the government is Obama, Hollande, Cameron or others, there isn't an answer to this question that people are willing to accept or believe is true.John_M said:
EZ growth figures were nothing to write home about either. Plod, plod, plod: the western economies.MaxPB said:Very poor US ISM figures, it definitely feels like the US economy is slowing down. Probably good news for Trump given that Hillary is the continuity candidate. Sterling up to almost $1.34 on the news as well.
Combined with increased debt servicing costs and we're pretty much out of options. Assuming #Brexit punts the deficit reduction target to 2020-1, those costs will rise to ~4.5% of GDP.0 -
Also may explain why Dianne Abbott has had such a successful career.edmundintokyo said:This seems like a big enough effect to make it worthwhile for ambitious MPs to change their names to Aaron Aardvark or whatever.
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Jesus Christ, just looking at the photos of White Lives Don't Matter protest, how many f##king police does it take to remove 9 idiots?0
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Mr. Urquhart, they spent four hours pussyfooting about before they even arrested one of them.
It'd be interesting to get a pink beret/Gap Years Matter equation on police numbers.0 -
Too many shadows whispering voicesrcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...
Faces on posters too many choices
If when why what how much have you got
Have you got it do you get it
If so how often
Which do you choose
A hard or soft option
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Does having an effective almost zero interest rate (plus QE) result in poor project selection, as cash is cheap thus any positive rate of return is good.
If there is a low rate of interest, say 5%, project selection is more important and only projects with a high rate of return get chosen. Hence overall the real rate of return is higher?
Another concept is that technology has created advances in goods and services without price increases. So GDP has not gone up even though goods and services provided are qualitatively better?0 -
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.0 -
''I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.''
Indeed Mr RCS but I wonder if the mood has hardened since the vote.0 -
Quite incredible line of questioning....its a private matter and the police haven't brought any charges and therefore that should be that....What utter nonsense.MP_SE said:
This bollocks about it being a private matter, is just that bollocks.0 -
Off topic: For no great reason I was looking at when the last shots were fired in WW2. Seems there was still heavy fighting going on fully 5 days after the Japs surrendered. That's crazy!0
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Boris's water cannons would have come in useful today.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.0 -
Do you think we will get a soft Brexit? I assume you mean a business and social environment between the UK and the rEU that is not drastically different from the present?rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
Anyone would think that the US media wants to skew polls to engineer a "too close to call" meme....Alistair said:
The CNN/ORC Poll giving Trump +1 has a fairly anomalous Republican/Democract/Independents split.AndyJS said:FPT:
Clinton's average national lead down to 3.3 points. A bit close for comfort from her point of view:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Lets unskew those polls!0 -
It's one of our issues. Our economy isn't getting better, we're just running a more successful Ponzi scheme than our neighbours.FF43 said:
Although that better GDP growth is largely driven by immigration ironically. On a per capita basis it's about the same as the Eurozone - in particular, the UK does better than Italy but worse than Germany.John_M said:
Think it's worth revisiting something I posted at the weekend. The UK economy has generally grown by about 25% per decade. In the ten years post-crash it's likely to come in at around half that - and it's the best performing of the big four European economies.Patrick said:
The establishment everywhere exudes self satisfaction and complacence. But it is the politics of failure - and that increasingly doesn't win votes. People everywhere are sick to death of their politicians not delivering for them and are starting to get comfortable not voting for the same old same old. Most western countries need a popular reset. We got a sort of one with Brexit. The US might be about to get one. More will follow.MaxPB said:
Indeed. One of the reasons people like Trump or Le Pen even get a look in is because the west is stuck in a rut of low and uneven growth. The poor are more likely to feel spending cuts and the least likely to feel the benefits of economic growth. Whether the government is Obama, Hollande, Cameron or others, there isn't an answer to this question that people are willing to accept or believe is true.John_M said:
EZ growth figures were nothing to write home about either. Plod, plod, plod: the western economies.MaxPB said:Very poor US ISM figures, it definitely feels like the US economy is slowing down. Probably good news for Trump given that Hillary is the continuity candidate. Sterling up to almost $1.34 on the news as well.
Combined with increased debt servicing costs and we're pretty much out of options. Assuming #Brexit punts the deficit reduction target to 2020-1, those costs will rise to ~4.5% of GDP.
As it stands now, we have a government budget like Blairs, with (thanks to debt servicing) a Thatcher level of funding to departments.0 -
I see your 5 days and raise you 29 years!Patrick said:Off topic: For no great reason I was looking at when the last shots were fired in WW2. Seems there was still heavy fighting going on fully 5 days after the Japs surrendered. That's crazy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
Intelligence officer Hiroo Onoda, who was relieved of duty by his former commanding officer on Lubang Island in the Philippines in March 1974, and Teruo Nakamura, who was stationed on Morotai Island in Indonesia and surrendered in December 1974, were the last confirmed holdouts
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Some good local news:"Car parts manufacturer Gestamp Tallent to relocate to new Four Ashes site in £70m investment. One of Cannock's major employers is to relocate to a massive new £56.3 million factory at Four Ashes, near Wolverhampton, and make a £70 million investment in new equipment and fitting out. (Express and Star)
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Someone on a pilots' forum suggested a JCB, to push them over the edge into the drink still wearing their chains.TGOHF said:
Boris's water cannons would have come in useful today.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Someone else suggested running a plane past them at full blast every few minutes until they surrendered.
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Not sure that really counts Sunil!0
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[They] either adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles, or simply were not aware of it because communications had been cut off by Allied advances including the United States island hopping campaign.Patrick said:Not sure that really counts Sunil!
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They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
The airport company should sue them for damages.Sandpit said:
Someone on a pilots' forum suggested a JCB, to push them over the edge into the drink still wearing their chains.TGOHF said:
Boris's water cannons would have come in useful today.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Someone else suggested running a plane past them at full blast every few minutes until they surrendered.
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Sandpit said:
Someone on a pilots' forum suggested a JCB, to push them over the edge into the drink still wearing their chains.TGOHF said:
Boris's water cannons would have come in useful today.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Someone else suggested running a plane past them at full blast every few minutes until they surrendered.
Tranquillise them and haul them away?
I'm all for legitimate protest, but they are just being morons and having an inverse affect on the movement they 'support'.
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@Patrick
Even in Europe, Prague fell fully three days after VE Day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Offensive
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Mr. Glenn, wanting to leave and voting to stay is mad.0
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If Mr Vaz wanted to practice unsafe sex but keep the PR hit minimal perhaps he should have gone for an Injunction....0
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You need to give reason(s) why it is not a private matter.FrancisUrquhart said:
Quite incredible line of questioning....its a private matter and the police haven't brought any charges and therefore that should be that....What utter nonsense.MP_SE said:
This bollocks about it being a private matter, is just that bollocks.0 -
The 17m are a wide coalition, there are many Brexits. The 16m were more sure what they wanted. If it had been a 'preferendum' the result would have been different.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
Actually the fight I am referring to was in Manchuria. Russia fought a MASSIVE campaign to take the whole of Manchuria (plus a whole lot more) from 9th to 20 Aug 1945. Involved 3 fronts and was larger in scale than the whole European theatre of operations. They wiped out the entire Kwantung Army of Japan in less than two weeks. Basically it was a free land grab - explains why quite a few bits of Russia's far east are Russian today.Sunil_Prasannan said:
[They] either adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles, or simply were not aware of it because communications had been cut off by Allied advances including the United States island hopping campaign.Patrick said:Not sure that really counts Sunil!
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We aren't allowed to discuss on here for legal reasons, but the Mirror expose made serious claims beyond having sex. Shutting it down as well he bonked some prozzies thats a private matter isn't the whole story.David_Evershed said:
You need to give reason(s) why it is not a private matter.FrancisUrquhart said:
Quite incredible line of questioning....its a private matter and the police haven't brought any charges and therefore that should be that....What utter nonsense.MP_SE said:
This bollocks about it being a private matter, is just that bollocks.0 -
Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
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Remain would have meant Brussels seeing it as the green light for ever more centralisation.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.
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Same from below?rottenborough said:Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
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I don't think that's true. The 16m were split between the actually-pro-EU and the "yeah, I guess".logical_song said:
The 17m are a wide coalition, there are many Brexits. The 16m were more sure what they wanted. If it had been a 'preferendum' the result would have been different.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
Jesus Christ, just looking at the photos of White Lives Don't Matter protest, how many f##king police does it take to remove 9 idiots?
Where was the airport security?
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Actually those bits are really only south Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands. Much of the mainland Russian Far East was annexed from China a century earlier:Patrick said:
Actually the fight I am referring to was in Manchuria. Russia fought a MASSIVE campaign to take the whole of Manchuria (plus a whole lot more) from 9th to 20 Aug 1945. Involved 3 fronts and was larger in scale than the whole European theatre of operations. They wiped out the entire Kwantung Army of Japan in less than two weeks. Basically it was a free land grab - explains why quite a few bits of Russia's far east are Russian today.Sunil_Prasannan said:
[They] either adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles, or simply were not aware of it because communications had been cut off by Allied advances including the United States island hopping campaign.Patrick said:Not sure that really counts Sunil!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Peking
Re. WW2, Even in Europe, Prague fell fully three days after VE Day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Offensive
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I don't really care about the RCP, I got my own average daily tracking poll that's faster.Thrak said:
Do people read? I pointed out the other three polls released showing Clinton ahead by 3, 4 & 6% ahead barely a page ago.Dromedary said:CNN/ORC national poll, fieldwork 1-4 September, shows Trump in the lead by 1%. Trump's implied probability at Betfair looks set to surge past its previous peaks of around 30% (price 3.3).
If people only follow RCP they get a very incomplete picture.
Time for the weekly update of my average daily tracking poll:
Hillary 45 -1
Trump 42 nc
Since the first update on August 1st (I've updated the past ones a bit by adding some polls I didn't use in early August for continuity reasons):
Hillary 45 46 46.5 46.5 47 44.5
Trump 42 42 41 40.5 41 42.5
Trump's recovery has stalled since August 29th, Hillary's decline has also stopped on Sept.1st.
Hillary's lead peaked at 7% on August the 15th, and had an interim low of just bellow 3% on August 31st and has drifted a bit up since then.
So much for that immigration speech delivering victory.0 -
Brussels could see it however it liked. The dynamics of EU integration depend far more on the views of the national governments.ThreeQuidder said:
Remain would have meant Brussels seeing it as the green light for ever more centralisation.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
Of course, with 50 polls, you'd expect 2 or 3 to be outside the margin of error. The trick is in working out which ones they are...619 said:
Same from below?rottenborough said:Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
Has Clinton + 1 in Texas in a large ( 5000) sample0 -
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.0 -
Yep, sorry, only just catching up.619 said:
Same from below?rottenborough said:Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
Has Clinton + 1 in Texas in a large ( 5000) sample
The survey seems to have been taken over a long period ( Aug 9 - 1 Sep). Gets a C- grade on 538.0 -
HARD Remain = the EU FederalistsThreeQuidder said:
I don't think that's true. The 16m were split between the actually-pro-EU and the "yeah, I guess".logical_song said:
The 17m are a wide coalition, there are many Brexits. The 16m were more sure what they wanted. If it had been a 'preferendum' the result would have been different.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...
SOFT Remain = "suck it and see"0 -
The mistake London City Airport made was calling the police before they used their own security to remove the protesters 'for their own safety'Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually those bits are really only south Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands. Much of the mainland Russian Far East was annexed from China a century earlier:Patrick said:
Actually the fight I am referring to was in Manchuria. Russia fought a MASSIVE campaign to take the whole of Manchuria (plus a whole lot more) from 9th to 20 Aug 1945. Involved 3 fronts and was larger in scale than the whole European theatre of operations. They wiped out the entire Kwantung Army of Japan in less than two weeks. Basically it was a free land grab - explains why quite a few bits of Russia's far east are Russian today.Sunil_Prasannan said:
[They] either adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles, or simply were not aware of it because communications had been cut off by Allied advances including the United States island hopping campaign.Patrick said:Not sure that really counts Sunil!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Peking
Re. WW2, Even in Europe, Prague fell fully three days after VE Day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Offensive0 -
I can name them, since we had recent polls in the same states that say otherwise:ThreeQuidder said:
Of course, with 50 polls, you'd expect 2 or 3 to be outside the margin of error. The trick is in working out which ones they are...619 said:
Same from below?rottenborough said:Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
Has Clinton + 1 in Texas in a large ( 5000) sample
Texas and Mississippi are as Detective Monk would say "this is wrong, this is very wrong".
Michigan and Wisconsin is on the maybe but only because Reuters has found a similar picture there.0 -
Once the dam bursts, the flood begins.FrancisUrquhart said:
We aren't allowed to discuss on here for legal reasons, but the Mirror expose made serious claims beyond having sex. Shutting it down as well he bonked some prozzies thats a private matter isn't the whole story.David_Evershed said:
You need to give reason(s) why it is not a private matter.FrancisUrquhart said:
Quite incredible line of questioning....its a private matter and the police haven't brought any charges and therefore that should be that....What utter nonsense.MP_SE said:
This bollocks about it being a private matter, is just that bollocks.0 -
They don't call you speedy for nothing!Speedy said:
I don't really care about the RCP, I got my own average daily tracking poll that's faster.Thrak said:
Do people read? I pointed out the other three polls released showing Clinton ahead by 3, 4 & 6% ahead barely a page ago.Dromedary said:CNN/ORC national poll, fieldwork 1-4 September, shows Trump in the lead by 1%. Trump's implied probability at Betfair looks set to surge past its previous peaks of around 30% (price 3.3).
If people only follow RCP they get a very incomplete picture.
Time for the weekly update of my average daily tracking poll:
Hillary 45 -1
Trump 42 nc
Since the first update on August 1st (I've updated the past ones a bit by adding some polls I didn't use in early August for continuity reasons):
Hillary 45 46 46.5 46.5 47 44.5
Trump 42 42 41 40.5 41 42.5
Trump's recovery has stalled since August 29th, Hillary's decline has also stopped on Sept.1st.
Hillary's lead peaked at 7% on August the 15th, and had an interim low of just bellow 3% on August 31st and has drifted a bit up since then.
So much for that immigration speech delivering victory.0 -
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.0 -
Why are the US polls so inconsistent? We see polls carried out over a month, polls headlining with tiny state subsamples, polls with no data tables etc.rottenborough said:
Yep, sorry, only just catching up.619 said:
Same from below?rottenborough said:Quite a set of Survey Monkey polls out according to 538.
Trump +3 in Ohio, +3 Arizona.
Has Clinton + 1 in Texas in a large ( 5000) sample
The survey seems to have been taken over a long period ( Aug 9 - 1 Sep). Gets a C- grade on 538.
Who is commissioning them, is it the TV networks, 'cos they don't seem to be getting much value for money?0 -
Not sure if LCY was up and running by VE Dayphiliph said:
The mistake London City Airport made was calling the police before they used their own security to remove the protesters 'for their own safety'Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually those bits are really only south Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands. Much of the mainland Russian Far East was annexed from China a century earlier:Patrick said:
Actually the fight I am referring to was in Manchuria. Russia fought a MASSIVE campaign to take the whole of Manchuria (plus a whole lot more) from 9th to 20 Aug 1945. Involved 3 fronts and was larger in scale than the whole European theatre of operations. They wiped out the entire Kwantung Army of Japan in less than two weeks. Basically it was a free land grab - explains why quite a few bits of Russia's far east are Russian today.Sunil_Prasannan said:
[They] either adamantly doubted the veracity of the formal surrender due to strong dogmatic or militaristic principles, or simply were not aware of it because communications had been cut off by Allied advances including the United States island hopping campaign.Patrick said:Not sure that really counts Sunil!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Peking
Re. WW2, Even in Europe, Prague fell fully three days after VE Day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Offensive 0 -
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.0 -
And every time our government tried to resist a power grab, they'd have been bullied with "your people voted to be in".williamglenn said:
Brussels could see it however it liked. The dynamics of EU integration depend far more on the views of the national governments.ThreeQuidder said:
Remain would have meant Brussels seeing it as the green light for ever more centralisation.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...0 -
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.
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ORC's demographic breakdowns are just all over the place, one poll they'll be spot on, the next they'll be only sampling Libertarian left handed pot smokers from Montana.MarqueeMark said:
Anyone would think that the US media wants to skew polls to engineer a "too close to call" meme....Alistair said:
The CNN/ORC Poll giving Trump +1 has a fairly anomalous Republican/Democract/Independents split.AndyJS said:FPT:
Clinton's average national lead down to 3.3 points. A bit close for comfort from her point of view:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Lets unskew those polls!0 -
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Well it was RT, but they recently showed a docu about an Indian bloke living in rural Rajasthan who married THREE women for similar reasons.Sean_F said:
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.0 -
Unlikely they'll have much to lose though, probably young rich kids or anarchists.SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Better to lock them up for a couple of years pour encourager les autures. I'll be disappointed in the CPS if they're not charged with endangering aircraft or aerodrome - maximum penalty life imprisonment.0 -
You don't seem to have a high opinion of UK government...ThreeQuidder said:
And every time our government tried to resist a power grab, they'd have been bullied with "your people voted to be in".williamglenn said:
Brussels could see it however it liked. The dynamics of EU integration depend far more on the views of the national governments.ThreeQuidder said:
Remain would have meant Brussels seeing it as the green light for ever more centralisation.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...
The obvious riposte to any such comment is, "And you'll be putting this new suggestion to your people I presume?"0 -
I can see the attraction of polygamy (if you're a man). Not so much fun for the women, I should think.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well it was RT, but they recently showed a docu about an Indian bloke living in rural Rajasthan who married THREE women for similar reasons.Sean_F said:
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.0 -
Having observed the way that successive governments have avoided British public opinion on Europe, I would think that was justified.williamglenn said:
You don't seem to have a high opinion of UK government...ThreeQuidder said:
And every time our government tried to resist a power grab, they'd have been bullied with "your people voted to be in".williamglenn said:
Brussels could see it however it liked. The dynamics of EU integration depend far more on the views of the national governments.ThreeQuidder said:
Remain would have meant Brussels seeing it as the green light for ever more centralisation.williamglenn said:
They should have voted Remain and let the malcontent Leavers work to sweeten Cameron's 'renegotiation' until it became acceptable to them. Voting Leave for a soft Brexit was playing with fire.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but a fair number of the 52% (including me) wanted soft Brexit.GIN1138 said:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh Theresa, why did you employ him in the first place, everyone knows he's a preening bell end.
Theresa May rebukes David Davis over warning that UK could leave the single market
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/
Bickering between May and Davis I see...
Westminster has been given their warning by the electorate but it appears they aren't listening. The 17m may have no choice but to elect a UKIP government to get Brexit done...
The obvious riposte to any such comment is, "And you'll be putting this new suggestion to your people I presume?"
In would have meant All The Way In, and would have had to.0 -
True, I'm good at pointing problems fast.RobD said:
They don't call you speedy for nothing!Speedy said:
I don't really care about the RCP, I got my own average daily tracking poll that's faster.Thrak said:
Do people read? I pointed out the other three polls released showing Clinton ahead by 3, 4 & 6% ahead barely a page ago.Dromedary said:CNN/ORC national poll, fieldwork 1-4 September, shows Trump in the lead by 1%. Trump's implied probability at Betfair looks set to surge past its previous peaks of around 30% (price 3.3).
If people only follow RCP they get a very incomplete picture.
Time for the weekly update of my average daily tracking poll:
Hillary 45 -1
Trump 42 nc
Since the first update on August 1st (I've updated the past ones a bit by adding some polls I didn't use in early August for continuity reasons):
Hillary 45 46 46.5 46.5 47 44.5
Trump 42 42 41 40.5 41 42.5
Trump's recovery has stalled since August 29th, Hillary's decline has also stopped on Sept.1st.
Hillary's lead peaked at 7% on August the 15th, and had an interim low of just bellow 3% on August 31st and has drifted a bit up since then.
So much for that immigration speech delivering victory.
Consider this metric:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
Trump's popularity actually fell after his immigration speech among republicans, Hillary meanwhile is now hitting her all time low.
Hillary is still winning, even if she's losing some support, because Trump is as unpopular as George W. Bush in 2008.
Trump screaming in Phoenix set him back 10 days, you win the general election by being softly softly not screamy screamy.
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Gone into history now but I do vaguely remember when I was very young a couple of 'Great Aunties' who were spinster sisters who lived together their whole lives until they passed.Sean_F said:
I can see the attraction of polygamy (if you're a man). Not so much fun for the women, I should think.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well it was RT, but they recently showed a docu about an Indian bloke living in rural Rajasthan who married THREE women for similar reasons.Sean_F said:
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.
Basically, not enough men to go round in Britain post WWI. But too strong a Christian straight-laced culture for anything but the honorable thing.0 -
The Parliamentary Labour Party has approved a motion in favour of re-introducing elections to the shadow cabinet. The motion asks Labour's ruling National Executive Committee - which must approve any changes - to bring forward a rule change at this year's annual conference.0
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I think polygamy was really a response to societies where sudden violent deaths were common among young men, and women (often with infant children) had to find husbands to survive (hence, the whole business in the Old Testament about having to marry your brother's widow).Casino_Royale said:
Gone into history now but I do vaguely remember when I was very young a couple of 'Great Aunties' who were spinster sisters who lived together their whole lives until they passed.Sean_F said:
I can see the attraction of polygamy (if you're a man). Not so much fun for the women, I should think.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well it was RT, but they recently showed a docu about an Indian bloke living in rural Rajasthan who married THREE women for similar reasons.Sean_F said:
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.
Basically, not enough men to go round in Britain post WWI. But too strong a Christian straight-laced culture for anything but the honorable thing.0 -
To reiterate, Gary Johnson is deserving of some analysis. Thise Wapo polls show him getting figures in Alaska, Utah and New Mexico that may, if repeated and improved, start some momentum in those states.0
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Three 18-year-old Afghan migrants are jailed for gang-raping another boy at an Austrian asylum centre. Sentenced to terms in jail ranging from two to three-and-a-half years each.
The sexual abuse took place in a cave just outside the facility after the three threatened they would kill the boy with a sharp piece of glass unless he went with them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3776230/Three-18-year-old-Afghan-migrants-jailed-gang-raping-boy-Austrian-asylum-centre.html
Seem like very short sentences given the crimes. I presume their asylum claim will be unaffected...0 -
Don't get me wrong I'd have been spitting feathers if I had been waiting for a flight but there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience.Sandpit said:
Unlikely they'll have much to lose though, probably young rich kids or anarchists.SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Better to lock them up for a couple of years pour encourager les autures. I'll be disappointed in the CPS if they're not charged with endangering aircraft or aerodrome - maximum penalty life imprisonment.
Trouble for them was that the message was convoluted to say the least. Stop flying to save Eritrea...Eritrea is full of black people..our organisation is called Black Lives Matter which you may otherwise have noticed on account of the large number of black people killed by the police in the US...er...
Not exactly succinct.0 -
Leaving in the middle of an election?
http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/09/greta-van-susteren-abruptly-leaves-fox-news-0047440 -
@Sean Fear - I seem to recall reading somewhere that it was notoriously violent in the Stone Age.
Violence was the leading cause of death of all men and you'd be lucky to make it to 35, even if you didn't succumb to disease, famine or pestilence.0 -
Filipino Lives Matter!TOPPING said:
Don't get me wrong I'd have been spitting feathers if I had been waiting for a flight but there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience.Sandpit said:
Unlikely they'll have much to lose though, probably young rich kids or anarchists.SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Better to lock them up for a couple of years pour encourager les autures. I'll be disappointed in the CPS if they're not charged with endangering aircraft or aerodrome - maximum penalty life imprisonment.
Trouble for them was that the message was convoluted to say the least. Stop flying to save Eritrea...Eritrea is full of black people..our organisation is called Black Lives Matter which you may otherwise have noticed on account of the large number of black people killed by the police in the US...er...
Not exactly succinct.0 -
Mr. Urquhart, it's a despicably short sentence.
I wonder if that plays into the presidential election.
The mainstream of politics ignoring and playing down real concerns of ordinary people is forcing the electorate to put up with it unhappily or make a leap to parties beyond the mainstream.0 -
Lady Nugee must be relieved - it might mean she can go back to doing just 1 job...FrancisUrquhart said:The Parliamentary Labour Party has approved a motion in favour of re-introducing elections to the shadow cabinet. The motion asks Labour's ruling National Executive Committee - which must approve any changes - to bring forward a rule change at this year's annual conference.
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@Topping
"... there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience."
Really? Which laws would you say it is OK to break if someone is doing so for a political purpose?0 -
Disrupting international air travel to protest is an extreme measure, not a first resort.TOPPING said:
Don't get me wrong I'd have been spitting feathers if I had been waiting for a flight but there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience.Sandpit said:
Unlikely they'll have much to lose though, probably young rich kids or anarchists.SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Better to lock them up for a couple of years pour encourager les autures. I'll be disappointed in the CPS if they're not charged with endangering aircraft or aerodrome - maximum penalty life imprisonment.
Trouble for them was that the message was convoluted to say the least. Stop flying to save Eritrea...Eritrea is full of black people..our organisation is called Black Lives Matter which you may otherwise have noticed on account of the large number of black people killed by the police in the US...er...
Not exactly succinct.
Like the Rhodesmustfall loons this lot were more masturbating monkey than altruistic crusaders for the poor.0 -
spoiling your census form because women don't have a vote?HurstLlama said:@Topping
"... there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience."
Really? Which laws would you say it is OK to break if someone is doing so for a political purpose?0 -
oh god yes. Comically so. But there is a long history of civil disobedience in this country and I don't suppose we get to choose the topics or the participants.Casino_Royale said:
Disrupting international air travel to protest is an extreme measure, not a first resort.TOPPING said:
Don't get me wrong I'd have been spitting feathers if I had been waiting for a flight but there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience.Sandpit said:
Unlikely they'll have much to lose though, probably young rich kids or anarchists.SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
Better to lock them up for a couple of years pour encourager les autures. I'll be disappointed in the CPS if they're not charged with endangering aircraft or aerodrome - maximum penalty life imprisonment.
Trouble for them was that the message was convoluted to say the least. Stop flying to save Eritrea...Eritrea is full of black people..our organisation is called Black Lives Matter which you may otherwise have noticed on account of the large number of black people killed by the police in the US...er...
Not exactly succinct.
Like the Rhodesmustfall loons this lot were more masturbating monkey than altruistic crusaders for the poor.0 -
Gandhi making salt in 1930HurstLlama said:@Topping
"... there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience."
Really? Which laws would you say it is OK to break if someone is doing so for a political purpose? 0 -
Women do have the vote, Mr. Topping. So do please try again. You are the one who said there should be allowances for people who want to break the law from a political motive. I am just trying to establish what boundaries you would put on your idea, if any?TOPPING said:
spoiling your census form because women don't have a vote?HurstLlama said:@Topping
"... there has to be some allowance for civil disobedience."
Really? Which laws would you say it is OK to break if someone is doing so for a political purpose?0 -
Oh I don't know, only one third of the number of socks to wash and headaches to feign.Sean_F said:
I can see the attraction of polygamy (if you're a man). Not so much fun for the women, I should think.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Well it was RT, but they recently showed a docu about an Indian bloke living in rural Rajasthan who married THREE women for similar reasons.Sean_F said:
And Homer Simpson. He once fantasised about being married to two women. Not a sexual fantasy, but a fantasy about having twice as much housework done for him.Casino_Royale said:
Charlie Sheen would have enjoyed that.Sean_F said:
Demographers and historians still differ about the casualties. But, somewhere between 50% and 90% of adult males were killed. By the end of the war, adult males were outnumbered somewhere between 3-1 and 10-1 by adult women. Even with polygamy, that still left plenty of women who never married, so that it took decades to get the population back to 50/50 male/female.Tissue_Price said:
Why several generations?Sean_F said:
Some of the figures for people killed in Eastern Europe almost defy belief. Unfortunately, they are correct.RobD said:
Staggering stat, 17% or 6 million in total. For context, the UK only lost 400,000, or 0.9%.foxinsoxuk said:
Prewar Poland lost more than a quarter of its population in the war, including 3 million Jewish Poles.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, I remember reading a WWII book which had a proportion of people from various countries who died. Russia was the highest (I think it was something like 1:22, but can't be certain).
I believe that Belarus and Ukraine possibly lost a higher proportion on current national boundaries.
But, none match Paraguay, in percentage terms. In the mid nineteenth century, about 70% of the Paraguayan adult male population was killed in a disastrous war. The country tacitly allowed polygamy for several generations afterwards, to restore the population.0 -
What happened the last time McDonalds tried that?SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case0 -
New Mexico has only twice since 1972 failed to pick the winner so it's a good bellwether.Thrak said:To reiterate, Gary Johnson is deserving of some analysis. Thise Wapo polls show him getting figures in Alaska, Utah and New Mexico that may, if repeated and improved, start some momentum in those states.
The only way for Johnson to break through nationally is for Clinton's support to collapse. It looks unlikely that he will make the cut off for the debates and it will be tough for him to make any headway after that.0 -
My great-grandfather married his first cousin's widow (and took on 2 young children)Sean_F said:
I think polygamy was really a response to societies where sudden violent deaths were common among young men, and women (often with infant children) had to find husbands to survive (hence, the whole business in the Old Testament about having to marry your brother's widow).0 -
Charles said:
What happened the last time McDonalds tried that?SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case
That was libel; always difficult. Not quite the same as actual obstruction causing actual costs.
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Which is why I think that in most states beyond these few his support will wither (and strangely his addition seems to actually help Trump). All he needs is a poll or two with him with a single figure gap (NM and UT most likely) and he can blitz them and present himself as a broker for the electoral college. States like these may well think that a great deal for them to hold that power.williamglenn said:
New Mexico has only twice since 1972 failed to pick the winner so it's a good bellwether.Thrak said:To reiterate, Gary Johnson is deserving of some analysis. Thise Wapo polls show him getting figures in Alaska, Utah and New Mexico that may, if repeated and improved, start some momentum in those states.
The only way for Johnson to break through nationally is for Clinton's support to collapse. It looks unlikely that he will make the cut off for the debates and it will be tough for him to make any headway after that.
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Fundamentally it was a big guy picking on a little guyMarkHopkins said:Charles said:
What happened the last time McDonalds tried that?SimonStClare said:
Indeed, more than 120 flights were delayed or cancelled, that adds up to a pretty penny if this matter is pursued through the courts.MattW said:
The airport need to take civil action against the org and the individuals for recovery of losses.Sandpit said:
Come on Met Police, make an example of these jumped-up middle class idiots or they'll keep doing this.FrancisUrquhart said:‘White people need to take responsibility... they are privileged through racism’: Black Lives Matter issues inflammatory Twitter statement as it confirms all NINE activists who brought chaos London City Airport are white
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3775517/Protesters-storm-runway-London-City-Airport-bringing-flights-standstill-stranding-thousands-passengers.html
White Power...no shit that not it....White Solidarity....
Charge them with endangering aircraft, haul them in front of a magistrate in the morning and then remanded to see a judge and jury a few months down the line. That will give them some thinking time to decide if it was all worth it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case
That was libel; always difficult. Not quite the same as actual obstruction causing actual costs.0
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