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JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCBTheScreamingEagles said:
There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBsTissue_Price said:When in a hole...
But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N
Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB0 -
Clever – at least Smith has a good(ish) PR team around him.DaemonBarber said:
Owen SmithVerified account
@OwenSmith_MP
My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.0 -
Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.Slackbladder said:Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
@OwenSmith_MP
My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.
He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?0 -
Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...Slackbladder said:Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....
Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.0 -
Yup, seemed like a good opportunity to stfu.david_herdson said:
Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.Slackbladder said:Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
@OwenSmith_MP
My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.
He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?0 -
I've written a pro Jez thread. Will be published in the next few days, you'll love it.bigjohnowls said:
JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCBTheScreamingEagles said:
There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBsTissue_Price said:When in a hole...
But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N
Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB0 -
The full press release from Virgin trains:
https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005
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DaemonBarber said:
The full press release from Virgin trains:
https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005
Virgin not rammed, apparently.
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It's a bit early to tell yet: cultural and management changes to time to take effect. I do know that the service is better than it was 20 years ago. It's also a lot more expensive unless you can book well in advance.Pulpstar said:I didn't notice a single difference, positive or negative in my last two train trips (Both ECML) one Virgin, one state run.
Both perfectly adequate.0 -
That's NOT what she said.MarkHopkins said:DaemonBarber said:The full press release from Virgin trains:
https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005
Virgin not rammed, apparently.0 -
He doesn't have many alternatives. Caterpillar and Case are American, and therefore the *enemy*, Bobcat only make very small diggers, and Liebherr's are probably too big.bigjohnowls said:
JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCBTheScreamingEagles said:
There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBsTissue_Price said:When in a hole...
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But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N
Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB
Hitachi or Komatsu perhaps. How does Corbyn feel towards the Japanese?
JCB is such a British success story, in a sector of industry that we don't have too many success stories. It's a shame some (though not all) Labour supporters seek to constantly do them down.
Edit: there is a Scandinavian manufacturer as well, whose name escapes me. The British army had some of their kit a couple of decades ago. JCB copied the backhoe excavator from them.
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This sort of PR blunder sinks a general election campaign without trace.0
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Mr. Mark, it's Honorius or Arcadius.
...although, thinking about it, that may be unfair to Honorius and Arcadius.0 -
If only Corbyn's train had departed or terminated at Waterloo and we could have called it 'Waterloogate' #traingate0
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The half empty carriage was Smith supporters!!!Tissue_Price said:
It really is a cult.bigjohnowls said:
This is the doctored imageThreeQuidder said:
The 8 rammed ones were Messiah supporting ones!!!0 -
Nah, it is going to shift as many votes as the time Osborne cried at a funeral or Dave shopped at MorrisonsDanSmith said:This sort of PR blunder sinks a general election campaign without trace.
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Antimacassar is the word you've lost.SquareRoot said:Labour never learn. Ed Miliband's lot removed the headrest sheet(forget what its called) so that people wouldn't notice they were in first class...
Corbyn is not to be trusted, if you didn't already know that...0 -
@stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV0
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Amazon is your friend, here. 30 - 40% discounts on these kits pop up from time to time; I picked up (coughs) for my children the same Falcon kit for £89.99.DaemonBarber said:
It's such a super kit...TheScreamingEagles said:
I paid £129.99 for the Lego Millennium Falcon. Bargain.Pulpstar said:
Lego Minecraft "The village" £169.99 o_ODaemonBarber said:fpt:
Some of the kits are.glw said:
It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.FrancisUrquhart said:Lego is bloody expensive these days...
But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.
The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.
Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
I want Son wants the new X-Wing.0 -
That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.DaemonBarber said:
Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.Sandpit said:
It's grown up lot in the past few years.DaemonBarber said:fpt:
Some of the kits are.glw said:
It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.FrancisUrquhart said:Lego is bloody expensive these days...
But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.
The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.
Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old.
In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.0 -
To an extent I agree but it's not quite as easy as that. Changing rules against the will of the leadership isn't easy. Conference and the NEC have a lot more negative power than positive power if in opposition to the leader, and the timetable isn't on their side - nor the ability to work the back rooms - nor, for that matter, the numbers, after no small number of previously disillusioned lapsers re-registered in order to kick Corbyn out. Without Corbyn as leader, the protesty left can make a lot of noise but that's about all.JosiasJessop said:
Fight.david_herdson said:
What would or could they do? Sure, there's the NEC and conference and CLPs and so on but without the standard-bearer of Corbyn and without any other leadership contender whether or not there's another election - none of the far left would gain the nominations - the numbers would drift off and the rest would be howling in the wind. That might be enough to put off swing voters and Smith is himself no political giant but Labour would at least still be in the game.JosiasJessop said:
If Corbyn loses, the chances are that Labour will further implode. Do you think all the lovely people who back him will take a defeat lying down?Slackbladder said:Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....
Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.
Besides, the longer he stays in position, the more Labour's rules and processes will be perverted to keep him, and the likes of him, in power. That process is already well under way.0 -
Tony Blair had the Third Way.david_herdson said:
Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.Slackbladder said:Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
@OwenSmith_MP
My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.
He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?
Jeremy Corbyn now has the Permanent Way. Fucked.0 -
No, they're just transit points too. I've reached the Aegean, Central Asia and the Pacific by train before. The fun starts at Cologne.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean France and Belgium? Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Nah - the Eurostar starts there: the gateway to wonderful adventures under the sea and beyond.SandyRentool said:
Any train journey away from London, whatever the class, is better than First Class to London...TheScreamingEagles said:Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.
It is the AV of the railway system.0 -
indeed ta v nuchMarqueeMark said:
Antimacassar is the word you've lost.SquareRoot said:Labour never learn. Ed Miliband's lot removed the headrest sheet(forget what its called) so that people wouldn't notice they were in first class...
Corbyn is not to be trusted, if you didn't already know that...0 -
But then he genuinely wouldn't have had a seat!TheScreamingEagles said:If only Corbyn's train had departed or terminated at Waterloo and we could have called it 'Waterloogate' #traingate
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Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.0 -
There is some very amusing train related stuff on Tw*tterTheScreamingEagles said:@stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV
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I think Corbyn winning is the safer option - which might sound a strange thing to say.MarqueeMark said:
Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...Slackbladder said:Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....
Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.
If Smith won, Momentum wouldn't give up and go home. They will get more determined and given their recent decision to remove their rejection of violence, they will end up taking things in a more dangerous direction. Labour's civil war will have truly begun.
In order to build a new party, you have to destroy the old one.0 -
What's the point its obvs. a plot by MI5 it's soooo obvious.bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-371635860 -
The House Robots are looking distinctly underwhelming now - especially when three of them got flipped by the one robot. That was a highlight....Sandpit said:
That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.DaemonBarber said:
Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.Sandpit said:
It's grown up lot in the past few years.DaemonBarber said:fpt:
Some of the kits are.glw said:
It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.FrancisUrquhart said:Lego is bloody expensive these days...
But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.
The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.
Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old.
In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.0 -
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.0 -
Screwing up an over-crowded train PR stunt takes a special kinda geniustaffys said:
There is some very amusing train related stuff on Tw*tterTheScreamingEagles said:@stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV
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Jezza didn't get 2 x Es at A-Level, despite going to one of the best Grammar schools in the country for no reason...0
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Interesting timing by Virgin, the day that the voting slips were posted out.
No doubt they have been investigating this for some time.0 -
Apparently Smiths 'Campaign manger' is the same as Andy Burnham's was for 2015? That would explain a lot....0
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Combine with a 3D printer...Sandpit said:
That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.DaemonBarber said:
Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.Sandpit said:
It's grown up lot in the past few years.DaemonBarber said:fpt:
Some of the kits are.glw said:
It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.FrancisUrquhart said:Lego is bloody expensive these days...
But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.
The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.
Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old.
In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.
Not read the updated rules, but there used to be a significant weight advantage for an autonomous bot. The other avenue we were looking into was a cluster-bot.
Sadly I left before the project got going past the "playing with lego" stage.0 -
Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/0 -
Whoever wins we already know the Tory attack line for the next election:oxfordsimon said:
I think Corbyn winning is the safer option - which might sound a strange thing to say.MarqueeMark said:
Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...Slackbladder said:Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....
Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.
If Smith won, Momentum wouldn't give up and go home. They will get more determined and given their recent decision to remove their rejection of violence, they will end up taking things in a more dangerous direction. Labour's civil war will have truly begun.
In order to build a new party, you have to destroy the old one.
Labour = national security threat ad nauseam.0 -
"campaign manger..?? including straw and donkey? ;Slackbladder said:Apparently Smiths 'Campaign manger' is the same as Andy Burnham's was for 2015? That would explain a lot....
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I Choo Choose Jezza0
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That's novel.TheScreamingEagles said:
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.0 -
I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.
That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.
Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.0 -
Lovely familyMP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/0 -
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.0 -
One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.DavidL said:
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.0 -
Mr. Owls, whilst not a Corbyn supporter, his opponents really should've put up someone better than Smith.
Which appears to be anyone else in the PLP.0 -
FPT:
@Mr Quidder
>MattW said:
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On Virgin East coast Newark to Kings Cross two weeks ago they asked for £27 for a seat booking, on top of £13.20 for the ticket.
>Really?
>Setting aside that £13.20 isn't a listed fare, that to me sounds like an excess fare has been charged. Anything as cheap as that on that route would be an Advance ticket, which comes with a compulsory reservation. Unless there's something very unusual going on.
Full circs were (and I forgot about a railcard):
Trip booked online at 7pm for 10am following day at takethetrain.co.uk (excellent - no fee for Amex) as Plan B when that Bridge collapsed near Leicester for pensioner heading to London.
Advance Single 2nd at just under £20 reduced by 1/3 for railcard. Seat booking fee indicated as above - unless I am misquoting (don't think so). Didn't tick for seat reservation, so not charged.
Phoned afterwards to arrange Assistance for passenger, and Virgin were excellent, including reserving a seat for free when we didn't have one booked. Assistance was almost too effusive at both ends.
It has nearly wiped out by anti-Virgin stance due to their silly mini-luggage racks overhead.
Their exposure of Corbyn's PR Stunt incompetence today and whumping the RMT has convinced me to try a First Advance for the new James Martin menu.
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''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''
I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.0 -
Shock news: rail strikes set for 7 and 8 September:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-371680080 -
Was in black and white?TheScreamingEagles said:
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.0 -
CBE = Cameron's Bloody Embarrassments....MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/0 -
Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):
August 2016:
Norwich to Sheringham
Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
Nottingham to Worskop
July 2016:
Ipswich to Felixstowe
Sileby to Melton Mowbray
Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
Grantham to Skegness
Nottingham to Lincoln
Southampton Central to Weymouth
Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
Gloucester to Newport
Newport to Swindon
June 2016:
Ramsgate to Dover
Peterborough to Lincoln
NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
Nottingham to Chesterfield
Ipswich to Lowestoft
May 2016:
Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
Barnham to Havant
Bedhampton to Cosham
Fareham to St Denys
Stockport to Buxton
Cambridge to Stowmarket
Ely to Norwich
April 2016:
Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
Liverpool to Southport
Ely to King's Lynn
Selling to Dover
March 2016:
Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
Belper to Matlock
Crowhurst to St Leonards
Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
Polegate to Eastbourne
Ford to Bognor Regis
February 2016:
Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall
January 2016:
Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
Basingstoke to Salisbury
Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
Manningtree to Harwich
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If it's in black and white it's not p*rn, it's art.MattW said:
Was in black and white?TheScreamingEagles said:
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.0 -
Indeed.SandyRentool said:
As long as the person moves when asked, what is their problem?AndyJS said:
Some people don't take kindly to finding another person sitting in their seat.ThreeQuidder said:
As long as you move if the person who has reserved it turns up, it shouldn't ever be a problem.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.0 -
Or Craig Charles!Morris_Dancer said:I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.
That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.
Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.
"You can keep your carnivores and your herbivores.
We only eat metal here on Robot Wars!"
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Which is probably what TSE told the person concerned...wasd said:
If it's in black and white it's not p*rn, it's art.MattW said:
Was in black and white?TheScreamingEagles said:
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the denouement of this thread I wrote a couple of months ago.MattW said:
Was in black and white?TheScreamingEagles said:
The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]bigjohnowls said:
Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchesterbigjohnowls said:
If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.TheScreamingEagles said:
You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.AndyJS said:"There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."
This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.
Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/14/a-reminder-from-16-months-ago-about-the-danger-of-reading-too-much-into-one-day-of-polling/0 -
Now that is a competition I can get into! I've been totally meh with regard to the Olympics, but watching Robot Wars with my son has been the TV highlight of the week. We've really looking forward to the final next Sunday. Hope it's not spoiled by any more safety links falling out. Go Team Apollo!Morris_Dancer said:I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.
That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.
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The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.0
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What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!0
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Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.MaxPB said:
One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.DavidL said:
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
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TwistedFireStopper said:
The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.
Apparently Corbyn went to the far end to film it. Other passengers may not have realised what were up to.
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And no reference to Teabagging?TheScreamingEagles said:
I might make a joke about Corbyn, sitting, face and Diane Abbott, but I'm not that sort of person. I comport myself with dignityFrancisUrquhart said:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/768078852446760961
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I don't want to have nightmares.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
And no reference to Teabagging?TheScreamingEagles said:
I might make a joke about Corbyn, sitting, face and Diane Abbott, but I'm not that sort of person. I comport myself with dignityFrancisUrquhart said:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/768078852446760961
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Some might have had eg bikes to watch, or not wanting to tramp through all those coaches with lugagge for a short journey.TwistedFireStopper said:The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.
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Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.TheScreamingEagles said:Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.
It is the AV of the railway system.0 -
Corbyn's spin team...making the Rio Olympic Games organizing committee look world class...0
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Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!RobD said:What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!
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He's trying to send out the right "signal", but is there any "points"?Slackbladder said:Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
@OwenSmith_MP
My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.
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Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.
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Particularly with resignation honours. They could have at least said 'further' discredited, since it already was if this did so. I think it's called virtue signalling.MaxPB said:
One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.DavidL said:
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.0 -
Impressive......however.......Sunil_Prasannan said:Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):
August 2016:
Norwich to Sheringham
Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
Nottingham to Worskop
July 2016:
Ipswich to Felixstowe
Sileby to Melton Mowbray
Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
Grantham to Skegness
Nottingham to Lincoln
Southampton Central to Weymouth
Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
Gloucester to Newport
Newport to Swindon
June 2016:
Ramsgate to Dover
Peterborough to Lincoln
NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
Nottingham to Chesterfield
Ipswich to Lowestoft
May 2016:
Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
Barnham to Havant
Bedhampton to Cosham
Fareham to St Denys
Stockport to Buxton
Cambridge to Stowmarket
Ely to Norwich
April 2016:
Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
Liverpool to Southport
Ely to King's Lynn
Selling to Dover
March 2016:
Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
Belper to Matlock
Crowhurst to St Leonards
Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
Polegate to Eastbourne
Ford to Bognor Regis
February 2016:
Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall
January 2016:
Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
Basingstoke to Salisbury
Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
Manningtree to Harwich
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That'D Be Nice. Wouldn't make these appointed any more egregious than many in the past.DavidL said:
Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.MaxPB said:
One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.DavidL said:
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.0 -
Tough to fit them through the train doors, unless the train is towed by them, perhaps?Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.
Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.
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Yeah, I meant that I wonder why passengers didn't take to twitter to refute the Guardian article about Corbyn not being able to find seats. maybe Mr Hopkins is right that Corbyn and his cameraman did go to the end of the train to film it, and so the passengers were unaware what was going on.MattW said:
Some might have had eg bikes to watch, or not wanting to tramp through all those coaches with lugagge for a short journey.TwistedFireStopper said:The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.
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I haven't heard of them but I just tried booking that route and they wanted to charge me £20, no railcard.MattW said:FPT:
@Mr Quidder
>MattW said:
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On Virgin East coast Newark to Kings Cross two weeks ago they asked for £27 for a seat booking, on top of £13.20 for the ticket.
>Really?
>Setting aside that £13.20 isn't a listed fare, that to me sounds like an excess fare has been charged. Anything as cheap as that on that route would be an Advance ticket, which comes with a compulsory reservation. Unless there's something very unusual going on.
Full circs were (and I forgot about a railcard):
Trip booked online at 7pm for 10am following day at takethetrain.co.uk (excellent - no fee for Amex) as Plan B when that Bridge collapsed near Leicester for pensioner heading to London.
Advance Single 2nd at just under £20 reduced by 1/3 for railcard. Seat booking fee indicated as above - unless I am misquoting (don't think so). Didn't tick for seat reservation, so not charged.
Phoned afterwards to arrange Assistance for passenger, and Virgin were excellent, including reserving a seat for free when we didn't have one booked. Assistance was almost too effusive at both ends.
It has nearly wiped out by anti-Virgin stance due to their silly mini-luggage racks overhead.
Their exposure of Corbyn's PR Stunt incompetence today and whumping the RMT has convinced me to try a First Advance for the new James Martin menu.
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Bingo! The third (and most favourite, I think!)david_herdson said:
Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!RobD said:What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!
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The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.Alistair said:
Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.TheScreamingEagles said:Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.
It is the AV of the railway system.0 -
are the English a race? (Straw's a twat, right enough)PlatoSaid said:
Or when Jack said the English weren't a race worth saving, or that we'd an ugly propensity for violence.taffys said:''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''
I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.0 -
Mr. D, as Hannibal said when faced with crossing the Alps in winter: we shall find a way, or make one.0
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Mr. Dugarbandier, are the Scots? The Welsh? The Irish?0
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And then proved his point by playing such a positive role in getting us to invade a middle eastern country for completely fictitious reasons.PlatoSaid said:
Or when Jack said the English weren't a race worth saving, or that we'd an ugly propensity for violence.taffys said:''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''
I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.0 -
"If I'd made more money... I threw away so much money." - Oskar Schindler.Moses_ said:
Impressive......however.......Sunil_Prasannan said:Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):
August 2016:
Norwich to Sheringham
Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
Nottingham to Worskop
July 2016:
Ipswich to Felixstowe
Sileby to Melton Mowbray
Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
Grantham to Skegness
Nottingham to Lincoln
Southampton Central to Weymouth
Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
Gloucester to Newport
Newport to Swindon
June 2016:
Ramsgate to Dover
Peterborough to Lincoln
NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
Nottingham to Chesterfield
Ipswich to Lowestoft
May 2016:
Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
Barnham to Havant
Bedhampton to Cosham
Fareham to St Denys
Stockport to Buxton
Cambridge to Stowmarket
Ely to Norwich
April 2016:
Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
Liverpool to Southport
Ely to King's Lynn
Selling to Dover
March 2016:
Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
Belper to Matlock
Crowhurst to St Leonards
Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
Polegate to Eastbourne
Ford to Bognor Regis
February 2016:
Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall
January 2016:
Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
Basingstoke to Salisbury
Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
Manningtree to Harwich
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There's some really excellent engineering in some of them.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Now that is a competition I can get into! I've been totally meh with regard to the Olympics, but watching Robot Wars with my son has been the TV highlight of the week. We've really looking forward to the final next Sunday. Hope it's not spoiled by any more safety links falling out. Go Team Apollo!Morris_Dancer said:I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.
That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.
Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.
Does anyone know of any good 'sites that discuss the tech in detail?0 -
2011:RobD said:
Bingo! The third (and most favourite, I think!)david_herdson said:
Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!RobD said:What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!
Yes to AV: 32%
No to AV: 68%
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There are three trains departing the station shortly and you want to film a spin piece on overcrowding, you know one is terribly overbooked and two have free seats.
You get on first train and before you can walk to length of the train, the guard offers you chance to switch trains, do you switch or stick?0 -
I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the UK has the fastest average passenger trains of any country in the world. Whilst France, Germany etc have high-speed trains, their 'classic; networks are generally much slower than ours.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.Alistair said:
Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.TheScreamingEagles said:Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.
It is the AV of the railway system.
We've done well in maximising the potential of our network.
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The idea that our "ancient honours system" could be any more discredited by anything Cameron did or even could have done is frankly ridiculous.kle4 said:
That'D Be Nice. Wouldn't make these appointed any more egregious than many in the past.DavidL said:
Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.MaxPB said:
One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.DavidL said:
I blame his father. For a lot actually.MP_SE said:Serial failure Will Straw is under investigation for fraud.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1654757/chief-of-failed-remain-campaign-was-handed-a-gong-in-david-camerons-pal-packed-exit-honours-list-despite-being-under-police-investigation-for-fraud/
Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:
"Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."
I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.0 -
War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle EarthMorris_Dancer said:Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.
Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.0 -
Mr. Eagles, or Porus at the Hydaspes. Or Pyrrhus.
Or Seleucus... wait a minute.
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I can believe that and it's not just top speed but acceleration that is vital on our congested network. Of course, our average speed will be undermined by the "temporary" speed restriction that is in place on the Up Fast at Weybridge and has been in place since May.JosiasJessop said:
I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the UK has the fastest average passenger trains of any country in the world. Whilst France, Germany etc have high-speed trains, their 'classic; networks are generally much slower than ours.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.Alistair said:
Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.TheScreamingEagles said:Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.
It is the AV of the railway system.
We've done well in maximising the potential of our network.
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O/T:
British boy killed by grenade in Sweden:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/22/birmingham-schoolboy-killed-in-grenade-explosion-in-sweden0 -
I think this is all to do with renationalisation. Labour know it's a popular policy amongst the public, and the strikes on Southern et al are all part of a plan (*) to 'show up' the privatised network as being hopeless. (**) This was just another attempt to push the issue.FrancisUrquhart said:There are three trains departing the station shortly and you want to film a spin piece on overcrowding, you know one is terribly overbooked and two have free seats.
You get on first train and before you can walk to length of the train, the guard offers you chance to switch trains, do you switch or stick?
(*) It's hard to credit Labour with the ability to come up with a coordinated plan at the moment, so perhaps I need to take my tinfoil hat off.
(**) Far from the truth, particularly compared to the old BR.0 -
Mûmakil are Oliphaunts and are not related to Elephants. sigh....TheScreamingEagles said:
War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle EarthMorris_Dancer said:Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.
Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.0 -
Don't forget Porus v. Alexander (or did Alexander decide to turn back after that?).TheScreamingEagles said:
War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle EarthMorris_Dancer said:Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.
Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.0 -
Ms Forester was at Birmingham at the same time as me.Morris_Dancer said:I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.
That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.
Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.
No I didn't, before anyone asks.0
