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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    When in a hole...

    But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N

    There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBs
    JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCB

    Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976


    Owen SmithVerified account
    @OwenSmith_MP
    My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.

    Clever – at least Smith has a good(ish) PR team around him.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,998

    Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
    @OwenSmith_MP

    My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.


    He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?

    Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....

    Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.

    Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709

    Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
    @OwenSmith_MP

    My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.


    He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?

    Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.
    Yup, seemed like a good opportunity to stfu.
  • When in a hole...

    But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N

    There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBs
    JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCB

    Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB
    I've written a pro Jez thread. Will be published in the next few days, you'll love it.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,998
    Pulpstar said:

    I didn't notice a single difference, positive or negative in my last two train trips (Both ECML) one Virgin, one state run.

    Both perfectly adequate.

    It's a bit early to tell yet: cultural and management changes to time to take effect. I do know that the service is better than it was 20 years ago. It's also a lot more expensive unless you can book well in advance.
  • That's NOT what she said.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    edited August 2016

    When in a hole...
    Bob
    But Corbyn’s team appear to be sticking to the original story. Asked if is was true that the train wasn’t full, a spokesperson for Corbyn’s campaign told BuzzFeed News: “That’s a lie. It was full and he gave his seat up so a woman could sit down. Others were sat in the aisles too!”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/virgin-say-corbyn-train-wasnt-full?utm_term=.jdeAEDXZO#.tnzg15R0N

    There's digging a hole, and then there's hiring a fleet of JCBs
    JCB are Tory donors so the Messiah would not hire a JCB

    Cue the Torygraph image of Jezzas JCB
    He doesn't have many alternatives. Caterpillar and Case are American, and therefore the *enemy*, Bobcat only make very small diggers, and Liebherr's are probably too big.

    Hitachi or Komatsu perhaps. How does Corbyn feel towards the Japanese?

    JCB is such a British success story, in a sector of industry that we don't have too many success stories. It's a shame some (though not all) Labour supporters seek to constantly do them down.

    Edit: there is a Scandinavian manufacturer as well, whose name escapes me. The British army had some of their kit a couple of decades ago. JCB copied the backhoe excavator from them. ;)
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    This sort of PR blunder sinks a general election campaign without trace.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Mark, it's Honorius or Arcadius.

    ...although, thinking about it, that may be unfair to Honorius and Arcadius.
  • If only Corbyn's train had departed or terminated at Waterloo and we could have called it 'Waterloogate' #traingate
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    It really is a cult.
    The half empty carriage was Smith supporters!!!

    The 8 rammed ones were Messiah supporting ones!!!
  • DanSmith said:

    This sort of PR blunder sinks a general election campaign without trace.

    Nah, it is going to shift as many votes as the time Osborne cried at a funeral or Dave shopped at Morrisons
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Labour never learn. Ed Miliband's lot removed the headrest sheet(forget what its called) so that people wouldn't notice they were in first class...

    Corbyn is not to be trusted, if you didn't already know that...

    Antimacassar is the word you've lost.
  • @stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    Pulpstar said:

    fpt:

    glw said:

    Lego is bloody expensive these days...

    It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.
    Some of the kits are.
    But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.

    The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.

    Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
    Lego Minecraft "The village" £169.99 o_O
    I paid £129.99 for the Lego Millennium Falcon. Bargain.
    It's such a super kit...
    I want Son wants the new X-Wing.
    Amazon is your friend, here. 30 - 40% discounts on these kits pop up from time to time; I picked up (coughs) for my children the same Falcon kit for £89.99.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591
    edited August 2016

    Sandpit said:

    fpt:

    glw said:

    Lego is bloody expensive these days...

    It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.
    Some of the kits are.
    But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.

    The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.

    Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
    It's grown up lot in the past few years.
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
    This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old. :D
    Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.

    In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
    That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.

    Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,998

    Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....

    Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.

    If Corbyn loses, the chances are that Labour will further implode. Do you think all the lovely people who back him will take a defeat lying down?

    What would or could they do? Sure, there's the NEC and conference and CLPs and so on but without the standard-bearer of Corbyn and without any other leadership contender whether or not there's another election - none of the far left would gain the nominations - the numbers would drift off and the rest would be howling in the wind. That might be enough to put off swing voters and Smith is himself no political giant but Labour would at least still be in the game.
    Fight.

    Besides, the longer he stays in position, the more Labour's rules and processes will be perverted to keep him, and the likes of him, in power. That process is already well under way.
    To an extent I agree but it's not quite as easy as that. Changing rules against the will of the leadership isn't easy. Conference and the NEC have a lot more negative power than positive power if in opposition to the leader, and the timetable isn't on their side - nor the ability to work the back rooms - nor, for that matter, the numbers, after no small number of previously disillusioned lapsers re-registered in order to kick Corbyn out. Without Corbyn as leader, the protesty left can make a lot of noise but that's about all.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
    @OwenSmith_MP

    My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.


    He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?

    Not sure it's a great idea to be tweaking Corbyn's tail in that way. A bit too in-jokey.
    Tony Blair had the Third Way.

    Jeremy Corbyn now has the Permanent Way. Fucked.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,998

    Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.

    It is the AV of the railway system.

    Any train journey away from London, whatever the class, is better than First Class to London...
    Nah - the Eurostar starts there: the gateway to wonderful adventures under the sea and beyond.
    You mean France and Belgium? Hmmm
    No, they're just transit points too. I've reached the Aegean, Central Asia and the Pacific by train before. The fun starts at Cologne.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Labour never learn. Ed Miliband's lot removed the headrest sheet(forget what its called) so that people wouldn't notice they were in first class...

    Corbyn is not to be trusted, if you didn't already know that...

    Antimacassar is the word you've lost.
    indeed ta v nuch
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296

    If only Corbyn's train had departed or terminated at Waterloo and we could have called it 'Waterloogate' #traingate

    But then he genuinely wouldn't have had a seat!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    @stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV

    There is some very amusing train related stuff on Tw*tter
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....

    Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.

    Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...
    I think Corbyn winning is the safer option - which might sound a strange thing to say.

    If Smith won, Momentum wouldn't give up and go home. They will get more determined and given their recent decision to remove their rejection of violence, they will end up taking things in a more dangerous direction. Labour's civil war will have truly begun.

    In order to build a new party, you have to destroy the old one.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    What's the point its obvs. a plot by MI5 it's soooo obvious.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-37163586
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    fpt:

    glw said:

    Lego is bloody expensive these days...

    It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.
    Some of the kits are.
    But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.

    The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.

    Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
    It's grown up lot in the past few years.
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
    This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old. :D
    Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.

    In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
    That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.

    Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.
    The House Robots are looking distinctly underwhelming now - especially when three of them got flipped by the one robot. That was a highlight....
  • AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    taffys said:

    @stuheritage: I've had it with the lying mainstream train CCTV

    There is some very amusing train related stuff on Tw*tter
    Screwing up an over-crowded train PR stunt takes a special kinda genius
  • Jezza didn't get 2 x Es at A-Level, despite going to one of the best Grammar schools in the country for no reason...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    Interesting timing by Virgin, the day that the voting slips were posted out.

    No doubt they have been investigating this for some time.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Apparently Smiths 'Campaign manger' is the same as Andy Burnham's was for 2015? That would explain a lot....
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    fpt:

    glw said:

    Lego is bloody expensive these days...

    It certainly is. I always mentally translate the price into some sort of electronics equivalent and am horrified.
    Some of the kits are.
    But others are quite reasonable - pocket money even, suitable to show saving for a few weeks can buy something good.

    The big buckets of assorted bricks are the best value though.

    Except this, which is currently on my desk at work. This was worth every penny:
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Doctor-Who-21304
    It's grown up lot in the past few years.
    http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/LEGO-MINDSTORMS-EV3-31313
    This one is also worth every penny, for the 38 year old 12 year old. :D
    Mindstorms has been around for 20+ years. The kits are all ace and all massively expensive.

    In a previous job we were planning on making a robot wars robot using the mindstorms controller as the brains.
    That's a good use for a controller, and more fun than a humanoid robot or Rubik's Cube solver that most do with it.

    Watching latest RW series they've all improved somewhat since the '90s, combination of materials, pneumatics, electrics and design/fabrication all being miles better than they were 20 years ago.
    Combine with a 3D printer...

    Not read the updated rules, but there used to be a significant weight advantage for an autonomous bot. The other avenue we were looking into was a cluster-bot.
    Sadly I left before the project got going past the "playing with lego" stage.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited August 2016

    Starting to worry Corbyn might lose....

    Then i think...nah, labour's too far gone.

    Still not sure which is the bigger disaster. Corbyn winning - or Smith. Neither looks to be the "competence and harmony" option...
    I think Corbyn winning is the safer option - which might sound a strange thing to say.

    If Smith won, Momentum wouldn't give up and go home. They will get more determined and given their recent decision to remove their rejection of violence, they will end up taking things in a more dangerous direction. Labour's civil war will have truly begun.

    In order to build a new party, you have to destroy the old one.
    Whoever wins we already know the Tory attack line for the next election:

    Labour = national security threat ad nauseam.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Apparently Smiths 'Campaign manger' is the same as Andy Burnham's was for 2015? That would explain a lot....

    "campaign manger..?? including straw and donkey? ;
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    DavidL said:

    Interesting timing by Virgin, the day that the voting slips were posted out.

    No doubt they have been investigating this for some time.

    They've certainly chosen their moment. Makes sense to wait for the Olympics to be over.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    I Choo Choose Jezza
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
    That's novel.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.

    That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.

    Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    DavidL said:

    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
    One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Owls, whilst not a Corbyn supporter, his opponents really should've put up someone better than Smith.

    Which appears to be anyone else in the PLP.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,357
    FPT:

    @Mr Quidder

    >MattW said:
    » show previous quotes
    On Virgin East coast Newark to Kings Cross two weeks ago they asked for £27 for a seat booking, on top of £13.20 for the ticket.
    >Really?

    >Setting aside that £13.20 isn't a listed fare, that to me sounds like an excess fare has been charged. Anything as cheap as that on that route would be an Advance ticket, which comes with a compulsory reservation. Unless there's something very unusual going on.

    Full circs were (and I forgot about a railcard):

    Trip booked online at 7pm for 10am following day at takethetrain.co.uk (excellent - no fee for Amex) as Plan B when that Bridge collapsed near Leicester for pensioner heading to London.

    Advance Single 2nd at just under £20 reduced by 1/3 for railcard. Seat booking fee indicated as above - unless I am misquoting (don't think so). Didn't tick for seat reservation, so not charged.

    Phoned afterwards to arrange Assistance for passenger, and Virgin were excellent, including reserving a seat for free when we didn't have one booked. Assistance was almost too effusive at both ends.

    It has nearly wiped out by anti-Virgin stance due to their silly mini-luggage racks overhead.

    Their exposure of Corbyn's PR Stunt incompetence today and whumping the RMT has convinced me to try a First Advance for the new James Martin menu.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''

    I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Shock news: rail strikes set for 7 and 8 September:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37168008
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,357

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
    Was in black and white?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405
    edited August 2016
    Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):

    August 2016:

    Norwich to Sheringham
    Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
    Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
    Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
    Nottingham to Worskop

    July 2016:

    Ipswich to Felixstowe
    Sileby to Melton Mowbray
    Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
    Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
    Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
    Grantham to Skegness
    Nottingham to Lincoln
    Southampton Central to Weymouth
    Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
    Gloucester to Newport
    Newport to Swindon

    June 2016:

    Ramsgate to Dover
    Peterborough to Lincoln
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
    Nottingham to Chesterfield
    Ipswich to Lowestoft

    May 2016:

    Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
    Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
    Barnham to Havant
    Bedhampton to Cosham
    Fareham to St Denys
    Stockport to Buxton
    Cambridge to Stowmarket
    Ely to Norwich

    April 2016:

    Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
    Liverpool to Southport
    Ely to King's Lynn
    Selling to Dover

    March 2016:

    Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
    Belper to Matlock
    Crowhurst to St Leonards
    Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
    Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
    Polegate to Eastbourne
    Ford to Bognor Regis

    February 2016:

    Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
    Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
    Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall

    January 2016:

    Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
    Basingstoke to Salisbury
    Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
    Manningtree to Harwich
  • wasdwasd Posts: 276
    MattW said:

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
    Was in black and white?
    If it's in black and white it's not p*rn, it's art.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    As long as you move if the person who has reserved it turns up, it shouldn't ever be a problem.
    Some people don't take kindly to finding another person sitting in their seat.
    As long as the person moves when asked, what is their problem?
    Indeed.
  • I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.

    That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.

    Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.

    Or Craig Charles!

    "You can keep your carnivores and your herbivores.
    We only eat metal here on Robot Wars!"

    :)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,357
    edited August 2016
    wasd said:

    MattW said:

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
    Was in black and white?
    If it's in black and white it's not p*rn, it's art.
    Which is probably what TSE told the person concerned...

    :-)
  • MattW said:

    AndyJS said:

    "There were also additional empty seats on the train (the 11am departure from King’s Cross) which appear from CCTV to have been reserved but not taken, so they were also available for other passengers to sit on."

    This is news to me. I thought we weren't allowed to sit on seats with tickets sticking out the top of them, even if there's no-one sitting on them.

    You can sit on them if no one is sitting in them after the train has left the station of first reservation.
    If you sat in my seat whilst i was purchasing my Newcastle Brown you would regret it.

    Oh hang on you wouldnt be anywhere near scum class in case you caught something nasty!!!
    I was in pleb class the other day. I haven't been that scared since I accidentally turned up at a English Defence League Demo in the centre of Manchester
    Thought you flew from Manchester to Dore.

    Virgin releasing CCTV later this afternoon.
    The last recording of me with a virgin [rest of this post has been edited on taste grounds]
    Was in black and white?
    I refer the honourable gentleman to the denouement of this thread I wrote a couple of months ago.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/14/a-reminder-from-16-months-ago-about-the-danger-of-reading-too-much-into-one-day-of-polling/
  • I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.

    That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.

    Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.

    Now that is a competition I can get into! I've been totally meh with regard to the Olympics, but watching Robot Wars with my son has been the TV highlight of the week. We've really looking forward to the final next Sunday. Hope it's not spoiled by any more safety links falling out. Go Team Apollo!
  • The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
    One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.
    Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.


    Apparently Corbyn went to the far end to film it. Other passengers may not have realised what were up to.

  • https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/768078852446760961
    You might have to sit on the floor though...as all the empty seats are taken.

    I might make a joke about Corbyn, sitting, face and Diane Abbott, but I'm not that sort of person. I comport myself with dignity
    And no reference to Teabagging?
  • https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/768078852446760961
    You might have to sit on the floor though...as all the empty seats are taken.

    I might make a joke about Corbyn, sitting, face and Diane Abbott, but I'm not that sort of person. I comport myself with dignity
    And no reference to Teabagging?
    I don't want to have nightmares.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,357

    The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.

    Some might have had eg bikes to watch, or not wanting to tramp through all those coaches with lugagge for a short journey.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.

    It is the AV of the railway system.

    Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    Corbyn's spin team...making the Rio Olympic Games organizing committee look world class...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,998
    RobD said:

    What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!

    Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!
  • Owen Smith VERIFIED ACCOUNT
    @OwenSmith_MP

    My campaign remains on track. Proud to be genuinely standing up for ordinary people.


    He really sounds like a winner 'remains on track'?

    He's trying to send out the right "signal", but is there any "points"? :lol:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.

    Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    taffys said:

    ''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''

    I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.

    Or when Jack said the English weren't a race worth saving, or that we'd an ugly propensity for violence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
    One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.
    Particularly with resignation honours. They could have at least said 'further' discredited, since it already was if this did so. I think it's called virtue signalling.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited August 2016

    Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):

    August 2016:

    Norwich to Sheringham
    Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
    Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
    Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
    Nottingham to Worskop

    July 2016:

    Ipswich to Felixstowe
    Sileby to Melton Mowbray
    Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
    Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
    Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
    Grantham to Skegness
    Nottingham to Lincoln
    Southampton Central to Weymouth
    Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
    Gloucester to Newport
    Newport to Swindon

    June 2016:

    Ramsgate to Dover
    Peterborough to Lincoln
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
    Nottingham to Chesterfield
    Ipswich to Lowestoft

    May 2016:

    Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
    Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
    Barnham to Havant
    Bedhampton to Cosham
    Fareham to St Denys
    Stockport to Buxton
    Cambridge to Stowmarket
    Ely to Norwich

    April 2016:

    Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
    Liverpool to Southport
    Ely to King's Lynn
    Selling to Dover

    March 2016:

    Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
    Belper to Matlock
    Crowhurst to St Leonards
    Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
    Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
    Polegate to Eastbourne
    Ford to Bognor Regis

    February 2016:

    Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
    Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
    Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall

    January 2016:

    Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
    Basingstoke to Salisbury
    Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
    Manningtree to Harwich

    Impressive......however.......

    if you put all that ticket money in an empty jam jar just think how many packs of ciggies you could buy
    :wink:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
    One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.
    Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.
    That'D Be Nice. Wouldn't make these appointed any more egregious than many in the past.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.

    Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.

    Tough to fit them through the train doors, unless the train is towed by them, perhaps? :D

  • MattW said:

    The Virgin press release and released CCTV stills look pretty conclusive. I wonder why no passengers picked up that there were spare seats on the Corbyn train, though? It's hard to believe that Virgin wouldn't have all their ducks in a row before they piled in on Corbyn, tbh.

    Some might have had eg bikes to watch, or not wanting to tramp through all those coaches with lugagge for a short journey.
    Yeah, I meant that I wonder why passengers didn't take to twitter to refute the Guardian article about Corbyn not being able to find seats. maybe Mr Hopkins is right that Corbyn and his cameraman did go to the end of the train to film it, and so the passengers were unaware what was going on.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    @Mr Quidder

    >MattW said:
    » show previous quotes
    On Virgin East coast Newark to Kings Cross two weeks ago they asked for £27 for a seat booking, on top of £13.20 for the ticket.
    >Really?

    >Setting aside that £13.20 isn't a listed fare, that to me sounds like an excess fare has been charged. Anything as cheap as that on that route would be an Advance ticket, which comes with a compulsory reservation. Unless there's something very unusual going on.

    Full circs were (and I forgot about a railcard):

    Trip booked online at 7pm for 10am following day at takethetrain.co.uk (excellent - no fee for Amex) as Plan B when that Bridge collapsed near Leicester for pensioner heading to London.

    Advance Single 2nd at just under £20 reduced by 1/3 for railcard. Seat booking fee indicated as above - unless I am misquoting (don't think so). Didn't tick for seat reservation, so not charged.

    Phoned afterwards to arrange Assistance for passenger, and Virgin were excellent, including reserving a seat for free when we didn't have one booked. Assistance was almost too effusive at both ends.

    It has nearly wiped out by anti-Virgin stance due to their silly mini-luggage racks overhead.

    Their exposure of Corbyn's PR Stunt incompetence today and whumping the RMT has convinced me to try a First Advance for the new James Martin menu.

    I haven't heard of them but I just tried booking that route and they wanted to charge me £20, no railcard.

    Advance tickets always come with a seat reservation so either they are a dubious third party or there's something massively unusual going on.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    RobD said:

    What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!

    Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!
    Bingo! The third (and most favourite, I think!)
  • Alistair said:

    Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.

    It is the AV of the railway system.

    Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.
    The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    ''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''

    I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.

    Or when Jack said the English weren't a race worth saving, or that we'd an ugly propensity for violence.
    are the English a race? (Straw's a twat, right enough)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. D, as Hannibal said when faced with crossing the Alps in winter: we shall find a way, or make one.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Dugarbandier, are the Scots? The Welsh? The Irish?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    PlatoSaid said:

    taffys said:

    ''I blame his father. For a lot actually.''

    I'll never forget that dramatic QT when Griffin said Jack's father was a conscientious objector.

    Or when Jack said the English weren't a race worth saving, or that we'd an ugly propensity for violence.
    And then proved his point by playing such a positive role in getting us to invade a middle eastern country for completely fictitious reasons.
  • Moses_ said:

    Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 edition (all routes wot Sunil did for the very first time):

    August 2016:

    Norwich to Sheringham
    Eastleigh to Salisbury via Romsey
    Wilmslow to Manchester Airport to Piccadilly
    Salisbury to Bath via Westbury
    Nottingham to Worskop

    July 2016:

    Ipswich to Felixstowe
    Sileby to Melton Mowbray
    Norwich to Great Yarmouth via Acle
    Great Yarmouth to Norwich via Berney Arms
    Gobowen to Chester via Wrexham
    Grantham to Skegness
    Nottingham to Lincoln
    Southampton Central to Weymouth
    Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan Northwestern via St Helens Central
    Gloucester to Newport
    Newport to Swindon

    June 2016:

    Ramsgate to Dover
    Peterborough to Lincoln
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Clifton South, Toton Lane and Phoenix Park
    Nottingham to Chesterfield
    Ipswich to Lowestoft

    May 2016:

    Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro, Birmingham)
    Island Line (Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin)
    Barnham to Havant
    Bedhampton to Cosham
    Fareham to St Denys
    Stockport to Buxton
    Cambridge to Stowmarket
    Ely to Norwich

    April 2016:

    Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze
    Liverpool to Southport
    Ely to King's Lynn
    Selling to Dover

    March 2016:

    Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)
    Belper to Matlock
    Crowhurst to St Leonards
    Petersfield to Portsmouth Harbour
    Portsmouth Harbour to Eastleigh
    Polegate to Eastbourne
    Ford to Bognor Regis

    February 2016:

    Newhaven Harbour to Seaford
    Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead
    Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink tram)
    NET tram (Nottingham) to Hucknall

    January 2016:

    Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly
    Basingstoke to Salisbury
    Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings
    Manningtree to Harwich

    Impressive......however.......

    if you put all that ticket money in an empty jam jar just think how many packs of ciggies you could buy
    :wink:
    "If I'd made more money... I threw away so much money." - Oskar Schindler.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985

    I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.

    That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.

    Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.

    Now that is a competition I can get into! I've been totally meh with regard to the Olympics, but watching Robot Wars with my son has been the TV highlight of the week. We've really looking forward to the final next Sunday. Hope it's not spoiled by any more safety links falling out. Go Team Apollo!
    There's some really excellent engineering in some of them.

    Does anyone know of any good 'sites that discuss the tech in detail?
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    What a glorious story about Corbyn on the "overcrowded" train. It combines two of PBs three favourite things!

    Seat reservations should be determined by AV!!
    Bingo! The third (and most favourite, I think!)
    2011:

    Yes to AV: 32%
    No to AV: 68%

    Just sayin' :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited August 2016
    There are three trains departing the station shortly and you want to film a spin piece on overcrowding, you know one is terribly overbooked and two have free seats.

    You get on first train and before you can walk to length of the train, the guard offers you chance to switch trains, do you switch or stick?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985

    Alistair said:

    Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.

    It is the AV of the railway system.

    Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.
    The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.
    I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the UK has the fastest average passenger trains of any country in the world. Whilst France, Germany etc have high-speed trains, their 'classic; networks are generally much slower than ours.

    We've done well in maximising the potential of our network.

    (Hopes I've not misremembered ...)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,239
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MP_SE said:
    I blame his father. For a lot actually.

    Meantime how can anyone write this with a straight face:

    "Our revelation heaps further shame on the ex-PM’s controversial resignation awards, slammed for discrediting the ancient honours system by dishing out gongs to donor and cronies."

    I mean, this is Corbynite levels of ignorance.
    One wonders what the Sun think the honours system is for.
    Hard working nurses or something equally ridiculous presumably.
    That'D Be Nice. Wouldn't make these appointed any more egregious than many in the past.
    The idea that our "ancient honours system" could be any more discredited by anything Cameron did or even could have done is frankly ridiculous.
  • Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.

    Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.

    War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle Earth
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Eagles, or Porus at the Hydaspes. Or Pyrrhus.

    Or Seleucus... wait a minute. :p
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    edited August 2016

    Alistair said:

    Virgin Manchester to Euston, first class, is the best train journey in the country.

    It is the AV of the railway system.

    Edinburgh to London on the East Coast Main Line shits on any of the Virgin West Coast Main Line services. Virgin West Coast first class is a joke and an insult to the very notion of first class on a train.
    The fastest trains in the UK, the 140 mph-capable Southeastern service from St Pancras to Ashford and beyond, have standard class only.
    I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the UK has the fastest average passenger trains of any country in the world. Whilst France, Germany etc have high-speed trains, their 'classic; networks are generally much slower than ours.

    We've done well in maximising the potential of our network.

    (Hopes I've not misremembered ...)
    I can believe that and it's not just top speed but acceleration that is vital on our congested network. Of course, our average speed will be undermined by the "temporary" speed restriction that is in place on the Up Fast at Weybridge and has been in place since May.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985

    There are three trains departing the station shortly and you want to film a spin piece on overcrowding, you know one is terribly overbooked and two have free seats.

    You get on first train and before you can walk to length of the train, the guard offers you chance to switch trains, do you switch or stick?

    I think this is all to do with renationalisation. Labour know it's a popular policy amongst the public, and the strikes on Southern et al are all part of a plan (*) to 'show up' the privatised network as being hopeless. (**) This was just another attempt to push the issue.

    (*) It's hard to credit Labour with the ability to come up with a coordinated plan at the moment, so perhaps I need to take my tinfoil hat off.
    (**) Far from the truth, particularly compared to the old BR.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016

    Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.

    Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.

    War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle Earth
    Mûmakil are Oliphaunts and are not related to Elephants. sigh....
  • Dr. Prasannan, aye, that was good.

    Mr. D, it'd be better if it included war elephants, though.

    War elephants are a sign of a side that eventually loses the war. Cf The Second Punic War and The War of Middle Earth
    Don't forget Porus v. Alexander (or did Alexander decide to turn back after that?).
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    I saw the first couple of Robot Wars' parts, and the back end of the one that had a robot flipping house robots.

    That's not a good look. They need to beef the house robots up.

    Also, the new version isn't as good as the old one. Nothing to match Philippa Forester. Or her leather trousers.

    Ms Forester was at Birmingham at the same time as me.

    No I didn't, before anyone asks.
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