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Mr. Jonathan, riding and fencing.0
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I'm an amateur 10k rower. How about you?David_Evershed said:
Which sport do you excel in?PlatoSaid said:
That's hugely impressive - and shows the spread of sports we excel in. No silos in swimming et al like a nation or two...SimonStClare said:
Good point, well made Sir – and who wants golden sand when you can have pebbles…Jonathan said:
Brighton Beach benefits from an excellent branch of WHSmith nearby that I suspect the Copacabana cannot match. Swings and roundabouts.SimonStClare said:What an awesome setting for the Triathlon - Brighton beach is no match for the Copacabana.
Gold and Silver for the Brownlee Brothers - Awesome.
Interesting Factiod – With Brownlee’s Gold, that's 13th 0f 19 Team GB athletes to retain their London titles. – And two more events yet to come in Taekwondo and Boxing0 -
Impossible task. A Canadian banker can be a murderer.
??? what a strange point. Too much Brett Easton Ellis
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Isn't that just jousting?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jonathan, riding and fencing.
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Mr. Jonathan, unpleasant, but not the worst an emperor ever suffered.0
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Synchronised Trainspotting!
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Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
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Luckily no need to like badminton...PlatoSaid said:Have to be honest - badminton can't get me the teeniest bit engaged. It's so SLOW - like action replay golf. But a medal is a medal and well done to the chappies!
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Badminton, essentially tennis for pensioners, who are mostly Tories, playing with each other's cocks at school is also Tory0 -
With regard to May, who at the moment is riding high despite (or because) she hasn't really done anything, I'm reminded of Churchill's comment about Anthony Eden - 'the greatness of the office will find him out'.0
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Mr. Max, jousting should indeed return (although it uses a spear rather than a sword).0
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He retweets himself?Scott_P said:
Luckily no need to like badminton...PlatoSaid said:Have to be honest - badminton can't get me the teeniest bit engaged. It's so SLOW - like action replay golf. But a medal is a medal and well done to the chappies!
@JohnyHelzapopin: @JohnyHelzapopin Badminton, essentially tennis for pensioners, who are mostly Tories, playing with each other's cocks at school is also Tory
That's sad.0 -
No, that's Test Cricket. It "tests" your patienceSandpit said:
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I'm not convinced that the health and benefits factors make much difference to the total numbers. Sure, at the margin they might, but essentially EU migration is driven by students (whose dosh we want), and young workers attracted to our vibrant economy, flexible labour market, language, and culture, and of course driven out by unemployment in their home countries. I was never convinced by Cameron's hope that benefits changes would have a big impact on the totals, even though the changes he was proposing were sensible in themselves.John_M said:However, I'm entirely sympathetic to the European view that the Conservative party has committed an act of pan-European economic vandalism simply because it was unable to stiffen its sinews and reform the UK health and welfare systems.
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For those interested http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016/schedule/2016-08-180
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It's 21 21 13 now just lookedSunil_Prasannan said:
So good to see us doing so well at the Brexit Games!PlatoSaid said:Hell Yeah!
1 United States 31 32 31 94
2 Great Britain 20 21 13 54
3 China 19 15 20 54
4 Germany 13 8 9 30
5 Russia 12 14 15 41
6 Japan 10 5 18 33
Equal on total medals with China!0 -
Permission to swoon (again!)Moses_ said:
It's 21 21 13 now just lookedSunil_Prasannan said:
So good to see us doing so well at the Brexit Games!PlatoSaid said:Hell Yeah!
1 United States 31 32 31 94
2 Great Britain 20 21 13 54
3 China 19 15 20 54
4 Germany 13 8 9 30
5 Russia 12 14 15 41
6 Japan 10 5 18 33
Equal on total medals with China!0 -
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.0 -
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate0 -
Or water polo. On horseback.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.0 -
I think our overly generous in working benefits (tax credits, housing benefit) make lower paid jobs viable for EU migrants. If they had to pay an annual fixed fee for health cover and no access to the benefits system then there would be fewer low paid migrants. I'm absolutely certain of that. The EU being completely obstinate about background checks and criminal deportation is a different but very real issue that needs to be addressed.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not convinced that the health and benefits factors make much difference to the total numbers. Sure, at the margin they might, but essentially EU migration is driven by students (whose dosh we want), and young workers attracted to our vibrant economy, flexible labour market, language, and culture. I was never convinced by Cameron's hope that benefits changes would have a big impact on the totals, even though the changes he was proposing were sensible in themselves.John_M said:However, I'm entirely sympathetic to the European view that the Conservative party has committed an act of pan-European economic vandalism simply because it was unable to stiffen its sinews and reform the UK health and welfare systems.
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Half of them to London and New YorkFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...0 -
Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?0
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Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
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Afternoon all
On topic, an interesting contribution for which, as always, many thanks. I'm not sure I wholly agree with the analysis of the EU Referendum.
For me, REMAIN's two mistakes were:
1) Failing completely to articulate a positive case for the EU or a positive case for remaining in the EU with the opt-outs and renegotiation.
2) Treating the whole argument in terms of numbers and economics. The British population were in effect reduced to the status of subservient economic drones whose sole purpose was to ensure we achieved positive GDP growth every quarter. "Don't Think. Consume and Spend" as it were.
I've probably drifted to the "harder" end of the LEAVE spectrum - I see the failures of the immigration system up close and personal every day and I blame the Single Market for much of it. I realise a lot of people want and need the Single Market but I believe it has consequences far beyond the economic which make it profoundly unsatisfactory.
As to the future, given we are already seeing people on here daily seeing the US election through the prism of the EU Referendum (there are millions of Trump supporters out there apparently who will come out on Polling Day apparently - yes, I know.)
I suspect Labour COULD get its act very quickly under the right conditions even if the influx of Corbyn supporters were replaced by a group of "new" Labour members but that's down the road.
May has to govern and as I always say, it's the small things that hurt - the scandal here, the gaffe there, the black swan event, the small issue that becomes a crisis. I think she's a Heseltine-style interventionist - she believes in Government not the State so the new Government will have a response for everything - whether it's the right response will of course be open to question.0 -
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate0 -
JosiasJessop said:
There's only one Fives, and that's Rugby fives. None of this posho Eton and Winchester rubbish.TOPPING said:
I think it might freak people out (Eton fives that is; Rugby fives is obvs v simple to follow..)JosiasJessop said:
Forget badminton; the Olympics should have Fives. And extra kudos if they replicate conditions at my school - the athletes who turn up last get the worn-out gloves and the balls that have aged into concrete.PlatoSaid said:
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It is a travesty that this is not already a thing. We should pitch these to channel 5.Cyclefree said:
We were discussing this in the office yesterday. We came up with Synchronised Water Dressage.Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.0 -
I enjoy it as much as any other, but I also don't know why it gets so much more attention than any others. Of course its an impressive athletic display, but visually there are much more satisfying and lengthy athletic displays. It's not just because Bolt is a charismatic start either, since 100m has always to my knowledge been seen as the big draw. Shouldn't decathletes get more love?PlatoSaid said:
Frankly, I've no idea why 100m gets so much attention. I really couldn't care less. I don't find it more impressive than dozens of others.taffys said:''The statistic about the 100m times the other day was shocking, but then again most of us can remember back to the days of Ben Johnson and Flo-Jo in 1988. ''
Talking of the 100, am I alone in thinking the Beeb have gone overboard a bit on Bolt? Its become a North Korea type dictator cult with them. He's become the Dear Sprinter.
I mean the guy's a complete phenomenon, don't get me wrong. But at times its embarrassing.0 -
We're pulling away from China on silvers too. They need to get several golds ahead to take second.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Permission to swoon (again!)Moses_ said:
It's 21 21 13 now just lookedSunil_Prasannan said:
So good to see us doing so well at the Brexit Games!PlatoSaid said:Hell Yeah!
1 United States 31 32 31 94
2 Great Britain 20 21 13 54
3 China 19 15 20 54
4 Germany 13 8 9 30
5 Russia 12 14 15 41
6 Japan 10 5 18 33
Equal on total medals with China!
Heh.
All we need now is for Britain's Captain's of Industry to stop being so bloody namby-pamby and take a leaf out of British Sport's playbook. Then file the UK under "Worldbeaters"...
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Ki-ren trainspotting....Sunil_Prasannan said:Synchronised Trainspotting!
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Forget Keirin - have full-blown multi-lap Moped Grand Prix 0
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Lance.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, jousting should indeed return (although it uses a spear rather than a sword).
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Bolt seems to have peaked in 2009.Sandpit said:
I've been watching the international coverage rather than the Beeb, but the guy is a phenomenon completely unbeaten in eight years and competing in his last Games. He's the only athlete to have got the stadium close to full and the crowd close to excited.taffys said:''The statistic about the 100m times the other day was shocking, but then again most of us can remember back to the days of Ben Johnson and Flo-Jo in 1988. ''
Talking of the 100, am I alone in thinking the Beeb have gone overboard a bit on Bolt? Its become a North Korea type dictator cult with them. He's become the Dear Sprinter.
I mean the guy's a complete phenomenon, don't get me wrong. But at times its embarrassing.
The media can go a bit overboard on coverage of individuals though, I felt a little sorry for Jess Emmis in London for the same reason but luckily she lived up to the massive expectations.
Who's staying up to watch Bolt's attempt on the 200m world record tonight? 02:30 UK time.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_200ok.htm
Fastest man so far in 2016, Miguel Francis didn't start his 200m r1 due to injury.0 -
I've never quite grokked why people so willfully misunderstand this point. We might very well be perfectly happy with 500k p.a. net migration or even higher, as long as it is the UK government who determines who comes in, and kicks out undesirables. It's not hard to grasp, surely?FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate0 -
Make the high jump bar a sword - that'll increase the tension.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSF1a2dww0kle4 said:
I enjoy it as much as any other, but I also don't know why it gets so much more attention than any others. Of course its an impressive athletic display, but visually there are much more satisfying and lengthy athletic displays. It's not just because Bolt is a charismatic start either, since 100m has always to my knowledge been seen as the big draw. Shouldn't decathletes get more love?PlatoSaid said:
Frankly, I've no idea why 100m gets so much attention. I really couldn't care less. I don't find it more impressive than dozens of others.taffys said:''The statistic about the 100m times the other day was shocking, but then again most of us can remember back to the days of Ben Johnson and Flo-Jo in 1988. ''
Talking of the 100, am I alone in thinking the Beeb have gone overboard a bit on Bolt? Its become a North Korea type dictator cult with them. He's become the Dear Sprinter.
I mean the guy's a complete phenomenon, don't get me wrong. But at times its embarrassing.0 -
Hmm. Immigration is out of control in the UK - 300 000 a year. Now let's double it to 600 000. But we will be in control.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Do you think people voted Leave for that?0 -
Yes.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Remain had nothing at all to combat free movement and if they tried to counter that eg. Australia has more immigration than us, the easy and killing answer was that so what, Australia had chosen to have that amount of immigration.
When Jezza agreed he would like uncontrolled immigration it was the icing on the cake.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4YTB5FZeHQkle4 said:
I enjoy it as much as any other, but I also don't know why it gets so much more attention than any others. Of course its an impressive athletic display, but visually there are much more satisfying and lengthy athletic displays. It's not just because Bolt is a charismatic start either, since 100m has always to my knowledge been seen as the big draw. Shouldn't decathletes get more love?PlatoSaid said:
Frankly, I've no idea why 100m gets so much attention. I really couldn't care less. I don't find it more impressive than dozens of others.taffys said:''The statistic about the 100m times the other day was shocking, but then again most of us can remember back to the days of Ben Johnson and Flo-Jo in 1988. ''
Talking of the 100, am I alone in thinking the Beeb have gone overboard a bit on Bolt? Its become a North Korea type dictator cult with them. He's become the Dear Sprinter.
I mean the guy's a complete phenomenon, don't get me wrong. But at times its embarrassing.0 -
Relaxing the regulations, allowing any beast and awarding extra points for the difficulty of the animal chosen would open up some fascinating possibilities.Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
The Mexican bull dressage team taking the gold after the disqualification of a doped Tiger.
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I did wonder that day if Jez was a Leave deep cover agent.TOPPING said:
Yes.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Remain had nothing at all to combat free movement and if they tried to counter that eg. Australia has more immigration than us, the easy and killing answer was that so what, Australia had chosen to have that amount of immigration.
When Jezza agreed he would like uncontrolled immigration it was the icing on the cake.0 -
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
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It would be entirely graspable if the governments and the campaigns presented the proposition honestly. But the latter don't want the public to realise what the real situation is.John_M said:
I've never quite grokked why people so willfully misunderstand this point. We might very well be perfectly happy with 500k p.a. net migration or even higher, as long as it is the UK government who determines who comes in, and kicks out undesirables. It's not hard to grasp, surely?FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
That's the point.0 -
If the 600,000 are all higher rate taxpayers, can't claim any benefits and the resulting tax revenues are put into schools n hospitals, roads and railways then yes, the people will be accepting of it.FF43 said:
Hmm. Immigration is out of control in the UK - 300 000 a year. Now let's double it to 600 000. But we will be in control.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Do you think people voted Leave for that?
That's what Australia does.0 -
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
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Mr. Topping, a lance is just a spear wielded on horseback.
There might be specialised versions used or not, but that's all it is, the same as a sarissa and a dory are both just spears.0 -
On the top is horse weightlifting......Jonathan said:
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
"And the Kazakh lad has asked for a couple of ponies to be added to the bar...."0 -
Whale-lifting surely!MarqueeMark said:
On the top is horse weightlifting......Jonathan said:
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
"And the Kazakh lad has asked for a couple of ponies to be added to the bar...."0 -
Errm, how else can it work ?Jonathan said:
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
Horses are round about 500 kg, the most a human has ever deadlifted is around 500kg !
Are you proposing the heavyweight lifters carry a horse around the ring or some such ? Points for Eddie Hall's piaffe whilst carrying round a blackpool donkey ?0 -
Hmm Lances are meant to be wielded on horseback. Aren't spears meant to be thrown?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, a lance is just a spear wielded on horseback.
There might be specialised versions used or not, but that's all it is, the same as a sarissa and a dory are both just spears.
Need a bit of google-fu.0 -
Make it a horsey pole vault and triple jump!PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
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Now a camel doing tempis and pirouettes would be a sight to see.Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
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"And the Kazakh lad has asked for a couple of porpoises to be added to the bar..."Sunil_Prasannan said:
Whale-lifting surely!MarqueeMark said:
On the top is horse weightlifting......Jonathan said:
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
"And the Kazakh lad has asked for a couple of ponies to be added to the bar...."0 -
Slightly on this topic. The much despised Economist had an interesting to me article about how countries like Australia are moving away from points systems because governments are so useless at working out who should come it. It's better to allow people to come in if employers are willing to pay them.Sandpit said:
If the 600,000 are all higher rate taxpayers, can't claim any benefits and the resulting tax revenues are put into schools n hospitals, roads and railways then yes, the people will be accepting of it.FF43 said:
Hmm. Immigration is out of control in the UK - 300 000 a year. Now let's double it to 600 000. But we will be in control.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Do you think people voted Leave for that?
That's what Australia does.
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Weightlifting with gymnasts.
Actually this gives me the excuse to post this:
https://gfycat.com/ScratchyInconsequentialBoilweevil0 -
Shetland pony and Anton du Beck might win.Pulpstar said:
Errm, how else can it work ?Jonathan said:
Does the horse have to be the one on the bottom?Pulpstar said:
Has to be a horse, I think. But I guess you could always ask for an exception if you manage to find a camel that can do flying changes...Richard_Nabavi said:Does dressage have to be done on a horse, or can you do it on a camel or a yak?
Horses are round about 500 kg, the most a human has ever deadlifted is around 500kg !
Are you proposing the heavyweight lifters carry a horse around the ring or some such ? Points for Eddie Hall's piaffe whilst carrying round a blackpool donkey ?0 -
If we're allowed to permute from {smart, well-paid, rich}, we should take 'em all.
There's no doubt that some Leavers voted in the hope that all the Roma and Muslims would somehow magically disappear. However, we can't cater for those folk.
We have to make a working assumption that people want controlled immigration. May herself has reiterated a commitment to 100k p.a. Personally I think that's unachievable, unless you reinstate the primary purpose rule, which I never cared for.0 -
Adams fight: Another gold/silver for GB, China just bronze....
Heh....0 -
You could spice up the greco-roman wrestling by holding it in the empty baggage car of a speeding train with a loaded pistol JUST OUT OF REACH of the combatants.0
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Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)0 -
Mr. Topping, spears can be wielded on foot or horseback, retained or thrown.
You might argue whether darts count as spears (in this sense, they're slightly shorter javelins. I think peltasts used them in the ancient world).
Fancy subdivisions of weapons can be a bit unnecessary. In the Germanic cities of Holy Roman times only nobles could wear swords. So the Messer [knife] developed. Which was a sword-sized knife, and therefore technically legal.0 -
Cue that polling: will a human ever jump higher than a horse in your lifetime?Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)0 -
Mr. Topping, I think you might be thinking of javelins. Spears come in, or at least used to come, in many shapes and sizes but mostly as long thrusting weapons not for throwing.TOPPING said:
Hmm Lances are meant to be wielded on horseback. Aren't spears meant to be thrown?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, a lance is just a spear wielded on horseback.
There might be specialised versions used or not, but that's all it is, the same as a sarissa and a dory are both just spears.
Need a bit of google-fu.0 -
Come on Humans, we can do this!Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)0 -
In my lifetime, the humans are ahead.MarqueeMark said:
Cue that polling: will a human ever jump higher than a horse in your lifetime?Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)
Jumping that high is quite risky for a horse tbh, the stresses on the legs are immense - whereas a human highjumper lands softly on a mat.0 -
Why not, before the Grand National, have a human equivalent - 4 and a half miles, 30 fences, no horses ? Could be interesting.MarqueeMark said:<
Cue that polling: will a human ever jump higher than a horse in your lifetime?
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That would make sense, and reduce the bureaucracy. You could put a salary limit of say £30k for singles and £50k for families, if they've a job offer over that level they get a visa. It's the job offer that's the important bit, only net contributors should be allowed to come in.FF43 said:
Slightly on this topic. The much despised Economist had an interesting to me article about how countries like Australia are moving away from points systems because governments are so useless at working out who should come it. It's better to allow people to come in if employers are willing to pay them.Sandpit said:
If the 600,000 are all higher rate taxpayers, can't claim any benefits and the resulting tax revenues are put into schools n hospitals, roads and railways then yes, the people will be accepting of it.FF43 said:
Hmm. Immigration is out of control in the UK - 300 000 a year. Now let's double it to 600 000. But we will be in control.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Do you think people voted Leave for that?
That's what Australia does.
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''Come on Humans, we can do this!''
Don;t bother. I once had a frog in my kitchen. As I shooed it out it must have jumped two feet high. Maybe more.0 -
The late Terry Pratchett maintained in several of his books that from a standing start and over a short distance a man is faster than a horse (less legs to sort out or something). I have no idea if he was correct.Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)0 -
We surely smash them at long distance as well, as long as we get to carry water with us too?HurstLlama said:
The late Terry Pratchett maintained in several of his books that from a standing start and over a short distance a man is faster than a horse (less legs to sort out or something). I have no idea if he was correct.Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)0 -
That depends on the height of the horse!MarqueeMark said:
Cue that polling: will a human ever jump higher than a horse in your lifetime?Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993) 0 -
There's a frog in me kitchen what am I gonna do?taffys said:''Come on Humans, we can do this!''
Don;t bother. I once had a frog in my kitchen. As I shooed it out it must have jumped two feet high. Maybe more.
There's a frog in me kitchen what am I gonna go?
I'm gonna fix that frog that's what I'm gonna do,
I'm gonna fix that frog.0 -
As soon as I've sorted out the last problems with my genetically engineered giant insects, you may as well give up any hope of medals, human scum.0
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The next games are going to be hosted by Klendathu???John_M said:As soon as I've sorted out the last problems with my genetically engineered giant insects, you may as well give up any hope of medals, human scum.
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They've run human vs horse races over both distances and sprint trips. Over 220 yards or one furlong, there wouldn't be much in it and Usain Bolt would just beat a thoroughbred - the horse goes about 20 seconds from a starting stall. In full gallop, a horse covers 220 yards in 12-13 seconds comfortably outpacing a human.HurstLlama said:
The late Terry Pratchett maintained in several of his books that from a standing start and over a short distance a man is faster than a horse (less legs to sort out or something). I have no idea if he was correct.
At extreme distances, the human closes up again.
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Good old Scottish Labour, they are useless. They were all over the newspapers complaining about the SNP council, so they got their wish and they are still complaining , bunch of idiots.
North Ayrshire Labour blast SNP councillors for resigning while leader holidays in Italy
Labour Group leader Peter McNamara said: “On Tuesday we issued a statement which made it clear that following our by-election victory it was our duty to enter negotiations with other groups on the council but our primary aim was to maintain stability.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/north-ayrshire-labour-blast-snp-8657339
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Would you like to know more?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The next games are going to be hosted by Klendathu???John_M said:As soon as I've sorted out the last problems with my genetically engineered giant insects, you may as well give up any hope of medals, human scum.
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Didn't Blunkett say the same thing many years earlier? Something along the lines of not really seeing any upper limit to the number of immigrants, I seem to recall.MaxPB said:
I did wonder that day if Jez was a Leave deep cover agent.TOPPING said:
Yes.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Remain had nothing at all to combat free movement and if they tried to counter that eg. Australia has more immigration than us, the easy and killing answer was that so what, Australia had chosen to have that amount of immigration.
When Jezza agreed he would like uncontrolled immigration it was the icing on the cake.
Control and numbers are two factors but I'd add two more: the ability to get rid of people who break the rules and people having to put into the system for some time before they get anything out of it.
The latter offends people's sense of fairness I think.
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Well, some people can run 26 miles 385 yards without stopping and no horse ever would. What that says about the mental abilities of the respective species I am not sure.kle4 said:
We surely smash them at long distance as well, as long as we get to carry water with us too?HurstLlama said:
The late Terry Pratchett maintained in several of his books that from a standing start and over a short distance a man is faster than a horse (less legs to sort out or something). I have no idea if he was correct.Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)
I do like horses though.0 -
Mr. M, they're no match for genetically engineered land-walking superfish!0
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I'd vote for this.Sandpit said:
If the 600,000 are all higher rate taxpayers, can't claim any benefits and the resulting tax revenues are put into schools n hospitals, roads and railways then yes, the people will be accepting of it.FF43 said:
Hmm. Immigration is out of control in the UK - 300 000 a year. Now let's double it to 600 000. But we will be in control.Sandpit said:
Yes, but the point is that these countries are in control of their immigration systems, with strict requirements on who they allow in. It's about more than just numbers.FF43 said:
Australia and Canada have net migration rates twice as high as ours; New Zealand six times as highFF43 said:
Public perception about immigration isn't wrong. It is what it is. The problem is that Government hasn't dared explained why immigration levels are high. The wrong perception is that Brexit will resolve anything to do with immigration. The Leave campaign has rightly pointed to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as successful, remotely located, originally Anglo-Saxon countries that can act as models for a Brexited Britain. But they never acknowledged immigration into those countries is much higher than here.Richard_Nabavi said:
@John_M As I've said before, if 650k in two years isn't mass immigration, please tell me what number would qualify. We should note that immigration is primarily to England. From memory Scotland has ~173k and Wales ~85k.
Nonetheless public perception is wrong in many respects. In particular ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
Do you think people voted Leave for that?
That's what Australia does.0 -
Good news: neither of the two women boxing to face Adams in the final is Russian.0
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Risk they will award SPOTY to "TeamGB"?
When you look at some of the complete pants winners of the past (Dai Rees, David Broome, Princess Anne, David Steele, Gred Rusedski to name but a few), I feel sorry for our poor modern sportsmen.
This year you could be the best Gymnast Britain has produced for a century, or won your second Wimbledon, or third Tour de France, and still not get it. FFS what a complete joke we were.0 -
I had a friend who was captain of two England teams:MarqueeMark said:
Or water polo. On horseback.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
Ice Cricket and Elephant Polo
I did try to persuade him that - for cost efficiency - he should promote Ice Elephant Cricket0 -
I would agree.Pulpstar said:
An Olympic bar weighs only 20kg0 -
Is that the moment this thread jumped the shark?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. M, they're no match for genetically engineered land-walking superfish!
Or should we put that forward as a new Olympic sport as well?0 -
I'm demanding airbags for horses....Pulpstar said:
In my lifetime, the humans are ahead.MarqueeMark said:
Cue that polling: will a human ever jump higher than a horse in your lifetime?Pulpstar said:
Horses and humans high jump world records are actually remarkably similiar,PlatoSaid said:
Horsey Hurdling... and High/Long Jump.MarqueeMark said:
I'd still love to see a horse in the back seat of a kayak....Jonathan said:Time for some Olympic mashups.
I'd like to see an innovative combination of Dressage and Diving.
I'd watch that
2.47 metres (Horse, Huaso ex-Faithful in Chile in 1949)
2.45 metres (Human, Javier Sotomayor 1993)
Jumping that high is quite risky for a horse tbh, the stresses on the legs are immense - whereas a human highjumper lands softly on a mat.
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It's been going on longer than that. Doping in the 100m has been the norm since at least the 70s. I'd be surprised if there's been a clean medallist since, it's just too much of an advantage for anyone clean to get close.Sandpit said:The statistic about the 100m times the other day was shocking, but then again most of us can remember back to the bad old days of Ben Johnson and Flo-Jo in 1988. Copious amounts of drugs and a dodgy and wind meter mean the women's 100m record could stand for a century.
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So Pratchett was correct! Well thank you, Mr. Stodge, I can re-read those Rincewind stories with a new perspective.stodge said:
They've run human vs horse races over both distances and sprint trips. Over 220 yards or one furlong, there wouldn't be much in it and Usain Bolt would just beat a thoroughbred - the horse goes about 20 seconds from a starting stall. In full gallop, a horse covers 220 yards in 12-13 seconds comfortably outpacing a human.HurstLlama said:
The late Terry Pratchett maintained in several of his books that from a standing start and over a short distance a man is faster than a horse (less legs to sort out or something). I have no idea if he was correct.
At extreme distances, the human closes up again.0 -
Mr. Doethur, sharks? Glorified goldfish beside the genetic supremacy of the enormo-haddock!
Mr. Taffys, Hamilton is likely to win a third consecutive driver's title (fourth total), and is currently 40/1 for SPOTY.0 -
As with so many other winners, he's let down by the P part.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, sharks? Glorified goldfish beside the genetic supremacy of the enormo-haddock!
Mr. Taffys, Hamilton is likely to win a third consecutive driver's title (fourth total), and is currently 40/1 for SPOTY.0
