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Mr. Urquhart, huzzah for British fair play.
Mr. Corporeal, indeed. Like Conservatives at election time, cycling enthusiasts will turn out to vote.
Mr. Pulpstar, what? Hamilton should be nowhere near those odds for either SPOTY or the F1 title. It's madder than the odds on no safety car at the Hungarian Grand Prix [I wish bookies always mispriced markets like that].
Edited extra bit: never mind, I misread the post. He's right to be long for SPOTY, but maybe not *that* long.0 -
The best account of the fall of the Republic is of course Livy's.Ishmael_X said:
If you mean "Rubicon: The Triumph and Tragedy of the Roman Republic" (Tom Holland), Republic != Empire, there's a 1.5 millennium lag between the two events.rcs1000 said:Has anyone read Rubicon on the last days of the Roman Empire? I'm looking for reading material for my next flight to Australia...
Gibbon's Decline and Fall is still a cracking read, and even the abridged versions will see you through to Australia.
Those pesky Gracchi brothers..0 -
SR, you sound worried there, methinks you doth protest too muchSquareRoot said:
I said visit to meet world leaders, Sturgeon is in charge of not a lot and has little or no influence..HYUFD said:
Actually May's first trip was to visit SturgeonSquareRoot said:
Really Malc.. unlike your First Minister who does a lot of shrieking but is in fact completely impotent.. Mrs May has had a blinder.. I doubt she will be bothering to include Ms Sturgeon on her tour to greet world leaders..malcolmg said:
She was doing nothing when she was here, who would notice any difference.ThreeQuidder said:
It's in the middle of the summer, nothing is happening - and if anything major happens she'll be on the first plane back.ydoethur said:
Her refusal to appoint an official deputy could just be her most serious mistake since taking office.foxinsoxuk said:
He is acting PM this week, while May is on holiday.SquareRoot said:I am not even sure what Job Boris has, I think he is F sec, but I wouldn't swear to it.. I haven't heard a peep out of him of late. Why would anyone trust Boris after his about turn.
Cripes!
That said, unless she and Hammond conspired to take holidays at different times, which also wouldn't look good to Leavers, it's hard to see how Boris week could have been avoided.
These stories every year about "who is running the country" when the PM has a holiday are the epitome of silly season.0 -
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.0 -
Always one gets away from their villageGreenwich_Floater said:
Largely due to her success as one half of the krankies?malcolmg said:
Dream on SR , another Tory dud, she will be famous for doing nothing, Nicola has a far higher profile.SquareRoot said:
Really Malc.. unlike your First Minister who does a lot of shrieking but is in fact completely impotent.. Mrs May has had a blinder.. I doubt she will be bothering to include Ms Sturgeon on her tour to greet world leaders..malcolmg said:
She was doing nothing when she was here, who would notice any difference.ThreeQuidder said:
It's in the middle of the summer, nothing is happening - and if anything major happens she'll be on the first plane back.ydoethur said:
Her refusal to appoint an official deputy could just be her most serious mistake since taking office.foxinsoxuk said:
He is acting PM this week, while May is on holiday.SquareRoot said:I am not even sure what Job Boris has, I think he is F sec, but I wouldn't swear to it.. I haven't heard a peep out of him of late. Why would anyone trust Boris after his about turn.
Cripes!
That said, unless she and Hammond conspired to take holidays at different times, which also wouldn't look good to Leavers, it's hard to see how Boris week could have been avoided.
These stories every year about "who is running the country" when the PM has a holiday are the epitome of silly season.0 -
Mr. Topping, not read that yet (I'm deliberately taking my time acquiring Livy's stuff) but his Early History and Second Punic War offerings are very enjoyable.0
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Well worth the effort, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, not read that yet (I'm deliberately taking my time acquiring Livy's stuff) but his Early History and Second Punic War offerings are very enjoyable.
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Don't give up your job seekers allowance, you will never make it as a comedienneChris said:
I never knew that. Which one was she?Greenwich_Floater said:
Largely due to her success as one half of the krankies?malcolmg said:
Dream on SR , another Tory dud, she will be famous for doing nothing, Nicola has a far higher profile.SquareRoot said:
Really Malc.. unlike your First Minister who does a lot of shrieking but is in fact completely impotent.. Mrs May has had a blinder.. I doubt she will be bothering to include Ms Sturgeon on her tour to greet world leaders..malcolmg said:
She was doing nothing when she was here, who would notice any difference.ThreeQuidder said:
It's in the middle of the summer, nothing is happening - and if anything major happens she'll be on the first plane back.ydoethur said:
Her refusal to appoint an official deputy could just be her most serious mistake since taking office.foxinsoxuk said:
He is acting PM this week, while May is on holiday.SquareRoot said:I am not even sure what Job Boris has, I think he is F sec, but I wouldn't swear to it.. I haven't heard a peep out of him of late. Why would anyone trust Boris after his about turn.
Cripes!
That said, unless she and Hammond conspired to take holidays at different times, which also wouldn't look good to Leavers, it's hard to see how Boris week could have been avoided.
These stories every year about "who is running the country" when the PM has a holiday are the epitome of silly season.0 -
Mr. Topping, I'm sure they are, but they're treats to be enjoyed not only in the devouring but in the anticipation.0
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Not fought enough top class opponents. I know he has a title, but he needs to beat one of Klitschko, Fury, Wilder to get in the frame. Then defend against Haye. Bit of a lack of talent at the top weight, welter through to light heavy have better fighters.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
Carl Frampton is probably the best pound for pound boxer in the UK at the moment (Though Brook will go top p4p in the world if he beats Golovkin)0 -
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, and world champions. I wonder if they might make it longer than usual this year?0 -
Absolutely. Plus I don't want to give the game away, butMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, I'm sure they are, but they're treats to be enjoyed not only in the devouring but in the anticipation.
**SPOILER ALERT**
It fell.0 -
No.TOPPING said:
Hold on.Luckyguy1983 said:
I haven't noticed any difficulty purchasing items from outside the EU. Wine from New Zealand, electronics from Korea and clothes from India seem to find their way into my shopping basket somehow.rcs1000 said:
Inside the single market, I could buy goods or services from a French or Spanish manufacturer on the same terms as a British one. We can - in addition, and as the Norwegians have done for example - sign additional free trade agreements with other countries.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would they stop being able to buy stuff.rcs1000 said:
Why wouldn't you want to give British businesses and citizens the widest choice of goods and services to buy possible?Luckyguy1983 said:I don't want free movement. I don't particularly want single market access either. It does them much more good than it does us - and they know it.
It's precisely because the UK wanted to buy those things from outside the EU that we Brexited, isn't it?
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Mr. Sandpit, Adams is likeable and will get a lot of Yorkshire votes, but I don't think she has the profile to challenge for SPOTY.0
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The ones I'd recommend (from my library) are:-Cyclefree said:
I have a lot of books on the classical world which I am very slowly (very slowly indeed - I blame PB!) reading. Having a daughter studying this stuff has meant that more is being acquired because she keeps pointing me to more stuff. It is all very wonderful though.rcs1000 said:
One of my bucket list ambitions - indeed the only one I really cared about and now sadly never to be fulfilled - was to travel all round the ancient Roman world: from Tunisia to Libya (to see Leptis Magna) and into Syria via a train journey from Istanbul to Damascus via Aleppo. A real shame. Even once the wars are over, so much will have been lost and I doubt that it will be safe for a woman traveler for many years to come.
History of the Classical World - Robin Lane Fox
The Spartans - Paul Cartledge
The Pelopennesian War - Donald Kagan
Persian Fire and Rubicon - Tom Holland
Tacitus' History of the Year of the Four Emperors
The Roman Army - Adrian Goldsworthy
The Later Roman Empire - AHM Jones
Invisible Romans - Robert Knapp
History of Byzantium - John Julius Norwich
Byzantium - The Survival of a Medieval Empire by Judith Herrin.
Romanus Lecapenus and His Reign - Sir Steven Runciman.
There are, of course, hundreds of other excellent works.
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Thanks - a working link might have helped it even more.rcs1000 said:
This might help your understanding.Luckyguy1983 said:
I haven't noticed any difficulty purchasing items from outside the EU. Wine from New Zealand, electronics from Korea and clothes from India seem to find their way into my shopping basket somehow.rcs1000 said:
Inside the single market, I could buy goods or services from a French or Spanish manufacturer on the same terms as a British one. We can - in addition, and as the Norwegians have done for example - sign additional free trade agreements with other countries.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would they stop being able to buy stuff.rcs1000 said:
Why wouldn't you want to give British businesses and citizens the widest choice of goods and services to buy possible?Luckyguy1983 said:I don't want free movement. I don't particularly want single market access either. It does them much more good than it does us - and they know it.
I am aware of what a tariff is, and the fact that it is applied on non-EU imports. Thankfully somehow the Chinese, Indians, Americans, and everyone else, have found a cunning way to overcome the extra pennies that are added to their products - producing goods and services that people want to buy. This perhaps could be something we try.
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It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.0 -
BBC - Top North Korean diplomat who disappeared from London embassy has defected to South Korea, Seoul confirms - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37107442
Awkward.
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Mr. F, I've got that Kagan book. It's very good, and crammed, perhaps even festooned, with excellent maps.
Was less taken with Tacitus but that may be due to the translation. Goldsworthy's Roman Army book was interesting.
Also, the Norwich history of Byzantium *must* be the trilogy, not the single volume [which gets rather poor reviews, if memory serves].
Mr. Topping, that reminds me of some people bitching about 'spoilers' when others gave away the end of historical videogames (spoilers: the Nazis lose).0 -
Even the Russian coach most moved to say the result of the Tischenko fight was not right.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.0 -
I've got the Trilogy. I'm not interested in the single volume.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. F, I've got that Kagan book. It's very good, and crammed, perhaps even festooned, with excellent maps.
Was less taken with Tacitus but that may be due to the translation. Goldsworthy's Roman Army book was interesting.
Also, the Norwich history of Byzantium *must* be the trilogy, not the single volume [which gets rather poor reviews, if memory serves].
Mr. Topping, that reminds me of some people bitching about 'spoilers' when others gave away the end of historical videogames (spoilers: the Nazis lose).0 -
If I were to read just one book on Byzantium, what would you recommend?Sean_F said:
The ones I'd recommend (from my library) are:-Cyclefree said:
I have a lot of books on the classical world which I am very slowly (very slowly indeed - I blame PB!) reading. Having a daughter studying this stuff has meant that more is being acquired because she keeps pointing me to more stuff. It is all very wonderful though.rcs1000 said:
One of my bucket list ambitions - indeed the only one I really cared about and now sadly never to be fulfilled - was to travel all round the ancient Roman world: from Tunisia to Libya (to see Leptis Magna) and into Syria via a train journey from Istanbul to Damascus via Aleppo. A real shame. Even once the wars are over, so much will have been lost and I doubt that it will be safe for a woman traveler for many years to come.
History of the Classical World - Robin Lane Fox
The Spartans - Paul Cartledge
The Pelopennesian War - Donald Kagan
Persian Fire and Rubicon - Tom Holland
Tacitus' History of the Year of the Four Emperors
The Roman Army - Adrian Goldsworthy
The Later Roman Empire - AHM Jones
Invisible Romans - Robert Knapp
History of Byzantium - John Julius Norwich
Byzantium - The Survival of a Medieval Empire by Judith Herrin.
Romanus Lecapenus and His Reign - Sir Steven Runciman.
There are, of course, hundreds of other excellent works.0 -
Head of Breitbart has joined Trump's campaign, Manafort effectively demoted.0
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It depends how much time you want to devote. Judith Herrin's book is very good, but John Julius Norwich's trilogy is more extensive.rcs1000 said:
If I were to read just one book on Byzantium, what would you recommend?Sean_F said:
The ones I'd recommend (from my library) are:-Cyclefree said:
I have a lot of books on the classical world which I am very slowly (very slowly indeed - I blame PB!) reading. Having a daughter studying this stuff has meant that more is being acquired because she keeps pointing me to more stuff. It is all very wonderful though.rcs1000 said:
One of my bucket list ambitions - indeed the only one I really cared about and now sadly never to be fulfilled - was to travel all round the ancient Roman world: from Tunisia to Libya (to see Leptis Magna) and into Syria via a train journey from Istanbul to Damascus via Aleppo. A real shame. Even once the wars are over, so much will have been lost and I doubt that it will be safe for a woman traveler for many years to come.
History of the Classical World - Robin Lane Fox
The Spartans - Paul Cartledge
The Pelopennesian War - Donald Kagan
Persian Fire and Rubicon - Tom Holland
Tacitus' History of the Year of the Four Emperors
The Roman Army - Adrian Goldsworthy
The Later Roman Empire - AHM Jones
Invisible Romans - Robert Knapp
History of Byzantium - John Julius Norwich
Byzantium - The Survival of a Medieval Empire by Judith Herrin.
Romanus Lecapenus and His Reign - Sir Steven Runciman.
There are, of course, hundreds of other excellent works.0 -
There is that too, although one hopes the IOC have stepped in to reschedule/remove the officials before the finals. The interview with that young Irish lad the other day as he stepped out of the ring was priceless. If the ABA had no problem they'd be banning him for life for disrepute. They won't.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.0 -
It is so obviously bent by russian officials. Whether they've used a carrot or a stick I'm unsure of but something untoward has gone on.Alistair said:
Even the Russian coach most moved to say the result of the Tischenko fight was not right.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.0 -
I was wondering whether any of the NK athletes at games would take the opportunity to skip.SimonStClare said:BBC - Top North Korean diplomat who disappeared from London embassy has defected to South Korea, Seoul confirms - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37107442
Awkward.0 -
Commiserations. We'll soon be paying banks to keep our money in current accounts.Morris_Dancer said:Frustrating post today. Got a second letter this year saying my account interest rate had been cut (citing Carney's stupid decision) and the new folders I ordered to keep paperwork in better order are a finger's width too large to fit with the others [small drawer]. Humbug!
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I am going to guess they can't take a shit without a team of men from the government standing beside them.rottenborough said:
I was wondering whether any of the NK athletes at games would take the opportunity to skip.SimonStClare said:BBC - Top North Korean diplomat who disappeared from London embassy has defected to South Korea, Seoul confirms - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37107442
Awkward.0 -
http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria, see if you can get ISIS into a listening mode.0 -
Is it? Why not a betting fix?Pulpstar said:
It is so obviously bent by russian officials. Whether they've used a carrot or a stick I'm unsure of but something untoward has gone on.Alistair said:
Even the Russian coach most moved to say the result of the Tischenko fight was not right.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.
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Wow - Owen could actually be worse than Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria for a chat.0 -
What does he think there is to discuss?FrancisUrquhart said:http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria for a chat.0 -
Well he'll be turning pro and very obviously has the skillset to challenge for titles so it won't be a problem in the future for him !Sandpit said:
There is that too, although one hopes the IOC have stepped in to reschedule/remove the officials before the finals. The interview with that young Irish lad the other day as he stepped out of the ring was priceless. If the ABA had no problem they'd be banning him for life for disrepute. They won't.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.
He's rightly pissed off that he's been robbed of potential olympic glory though. Mind you neither Mayweather nor Roy Jones Jr won olympic gold due to dodgy decisions, so it can happen to the very best.0 -
Irish and European IOC chief Patrick Hickey arrested in Rio over illegal Olympic ticket sales, Brazil media report0
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On past Olympics, North Koreans are not exactly under lock and key when not competing, but they are closely watched, forbidden from seeing places of interest and adhere to the rule of ‘no mixing with others’ – On defecting, they probably would if they could but can’t.rottenborough said:
I was wondering whether any of the NK athletes at games would take the opportunity to skip.SimonStClare said:BBC - Top North Korean diplomat who disappeared from London embassy has defected to South Korea, Seoul confirms - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37107442
Awkward.0 -
Hmm yes hadn't thought of that angle. Coincidence that it has involved two russian fighters though ?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Is it? Why not a betting fix?Pulpstar said:
It is so obviously bent by russian officials. Whether they've used a carrot or a stick I'm unsure of but something untoward has gone on.Alistair said:
Even the Russian coach most moved to say the result of the Tischenko fight was not right.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.
Could be a russian mafia bet job..0 -
Yes, reinforces the belief that we should treat anything on breitbart.com as Trump propaganda.Alistair said:Head of Breitbart has joined Trump's campaign, Manafort effectively demoted.
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Owen is Corbyn without the charisma.Floater said:
Wow - Owen could actually be worse than Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria for a chat.0 -
I'll start with Judith, then.Sean_F said:
It depends how much time you want to devote. Judith Herrin's book is very good, but John Julius Norwich's trilogy is more extensive.rcs1000 said:
If I were to read just one book on Byzantium, what would you recommend?Sean_F said:
The ones I'd recommend (from my library) are:-Cyclefree said:
I have a lot of books on the classical world which I am very slowly (very slowly indeed - I blame PB!) reading. Having a daughter studying this stuff has meant that more is being acquired because she keeps pointing me to more stuff. It is all very wonderful though.rcs1000 said:
One of my bucket list ambitions - indeed the only one I really cared about and now sadly never to be fulfilled - was to travel all round the ancient Roman world: from Tunisia to Libya (to see Leptis Magna) and into Syria via a train journey from Istanbul to Damascus via Aleppo. A real shame. Even once the wars are over, so much will have been lost and I doubt that it will be safe for a woman traveler for many years to come.
History of the Classical World - Robin Lane Fox
The Spartans - Paul Cartledge
The Pelopennesian War - Donald Kagan
Persian Fire and Rubicon - Tom Holland
Tacitus' History of the Year of the Four Emperors
The Roman Army - Adrian Goldsworthy
The Later Roman Empire - AHM Jones
Invisible Romans - Robert Knapp
History of Byzantium - John Julius Norwich
Byzantium - The Survival of a Medieval Empire by Judith Herrin.
Romanus Lecapenus and His Reign - Sir Steven Runciman.
There are, of course, hundreds of other excellent works.0 -
A pound shop Kinnock was my first thought.Sean_F said:
Owen is Corbyn without the charisma.Floater said:
Wow - Owen could actually be worse than Corbyn.FrancisUrquhart said:http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria for a chat.0 -
Those icm england-only labour figures are terrible.0
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I can't work out if Owen Smith is just thick and believes all this crap he comes out with or he thinks that trying to out Corbyn, Corbyn is a good tactical approach, when in fact all the nonsense he is spouting will be used to define him even if he was to beat Corbyn.0
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Well they've tried to hold peace talks before over Syria before, and peace talks are generally less effective if you won't talk to the people you're fighting the war against.FrancisUrquhart said:http://order-order.com/2016/08/17/owen-smith-need-get-isis-round-table/
You first Owen...off you pop to syria, see if you can get ISIS into a listening mode.0 -
The money must be good. Who'd want to be Trump's campaign manager? He doesn't listen to a word.logical_song said:
Yes, reinforces the belief that we should treat anything on breitbart.com as Trump propaganda.Alistair said:Head of Breitbart has joined Trump's campaign, Manafort effectively demoted.
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I have not studied this - just my initial thought after the irish debacle when AFAIK the irish favourite was defeated by the judges in what was a more one sided contest led by the irish man. EIther way someone appears to have influenced the judges.Pulpstar said:
Hmm yes hadn't thought of that angle. Coincidence that it has involved two russian fighters though ?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Is it? Why not a betting fix?Pulpstar said:
It is so obviously bent by russian officials. Whether they've used a carrot or a stick I'm unsure of but something untoward has gone on.Alistair said:
Even the Russian coach most moved to say the result of the Tischenko fight was not right.Pulpstar said:
It depends if Adams faces up to a russian who has had her judges paid off by the Russian olympic committee.Sandpit said:
Nicola Adams could win a gold medal too.tlg86 said:
What about Joshua? I was thinking he should get nominated, but then he's probably not won that career defining fight yet.Pulpstar said:So far as non olympic athletes go, the one that might get into the final selection is Kell Brook, IF he beats Golovkin.
That's a huge ask though and will still be v tough for him in an olympic year.
Incidentally, I'd have thought Ben Ainslie should be close to a certainty next year if we can win the America's Cup.
The SPOTY shortlist is going to be horrible for more than a dozen gold medalists, I wonder if it might be longer than usual this year?
The russian fighters have been getting some very very dodgy decisions this olympics - Vladimir Nikitin and Evgeny Tischenko two russian fighters to be on the beneficial end of these.
Could be a russian mafia bet job..
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If they thought this was their only chance, why didn't the PLP put forward someone more compelling [assuming reports of Smith's rubbishness are accurate]?0
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BREAKING: @NathanGillMEP to leave @UKIPWales assembly group to sit as independent
...but says he'll remain a UKIP MEP for Wales and leader of UKIP Wales.0 -
Tariffs are fairly low via the WHO, but what can really clobber exports (both manufactured and service) are the non-tarriff barriers. If we have a tariff free deal on manufactured goods but domestic sourcing on services (such as loss of financial passporting), then Brexit will be very good for the Eurozone, but not so good for us.Luckyguy1983 said:
Thanks - a working link might have helped it even more.rcs1000 said:
This might help your understanding.Luckyguy1983 said:
I haven't noticed any difficulty purchasing items from outside the EU. Wine from New Zealand, electronics from Korea and clothes from India seem to find their way into my shopping basket somehow.rcs1000 said:
Inside the single market, I could buy goods or services from a French or Spanish manufacturer on the same terms as a British one. We can - in addition, and as the Norwegians have done for example - sign additional free trade agreements with other countries.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would they stop being able to buy stuff.rcs1000 said:
Why wouldn't you want to give British businesses and citizens the widest choice of goods and services to buy possible?Luckyguy1983 said:I don't want free movement. I don't particularly want single market access either. It does them much more good than it does us - and they know it.
I am aware of what a tariff is, and the fact that it is applied on non-EU imports. Thankfully somehow the Chinese, Indians, Americans, and everyone else, have found a cunning way to overcome the extra pennies that are added to their products - producing goods and services that people want to buy. This perhaps could be something we try.0 -
Mr. Tokyo, the only surrender we accepted from Nazi Germany was unconditional, was it not?
We can't compromise with ISIS/Daesh. They seek to commit genocide, crucify children, burn prisoners alive, and have industrial scale sexual slavery. Which part of that could we accept?
We could negotiate on territory, though. Six feet of earth for every ISIS fighter.0 -
OK, I can see problems too, but....
http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/08/post-truth-v-tech-could-machines-help-us-call-out-politicians-and-journalists-lies
looks interesting.
Too late for Brexit unfortunately.0 -
Just watching the weightlifting. Some guys are lifting 500lbs!0
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Which is astounding even for UKIP. Never mind post-truth, we're in a post-logic world.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: @NathanGillMEP to leave @UKIPWales assembly group to sit as independent
...but says he'll remain a UKIP MEP for Wales and leader of UKIP Wales.0 -
I suppose one should never say never, but it is nigh on impossible to see what there would be to negotiate over. ISIS want a worldwide Caliphate and think anyone who lives in UK should be killed (including fellow Muslims, who are living in sin amongst the infidels).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Tokyo, the only surrender we accepted from Nazi Germany was unconditional, was it not?
We can't compromise with ISIS/Daesh. They seek to commit genocide, crucify children, burn prisoners alive, and have industrial scale sexual slavery. Which part of that could we accept?
We could negotiate on territory, though. Six feet of earth for every ISIS fighter.0 -
Mr. Eagles, Schrodinger's MEP?0
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Has he taken into account that we may not let them win a gold in cycling the next time if we fall out?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's Germany's Minister for Europe.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, who is this Roth chap, beyond being a German member of the Bundestag?
Mr. Slackbladder, lies, you Blairite wrecker! The fiery enthusiasm of the proletariat for their tribune is undiminished by the scorn of capitalist pigdogs!
Edited extra bit: ahem, wrote 'German MP' at first. Obviously an MdB is a German.
So quite an important person when it comes to sorting out Brexit.0 -
German vice-chancellor gives neo-Nazi protesters the finger
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/17/german-vice-chancellor-gives-neo-nazi-protesters-the-finger/0 -
Another Brexiteer who says he wants to leave but is actually remaining.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, Schrodinger's MEP?
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That was the ultimate outcome although getting that meant negotiating with Stalin, who turns out to have had a less-than-ideal human rights record.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Tokyo, the only surrender we accepted from Nazi Germany was unconditional, was it not?
Via Sinn Féin the British also negotiated with the IRA, who murdered British people routinely, probably including friends and colleagues of the people who did the negotiation on the British side.
I wouldn't suggest accepting any of that, but that doesn't mean talking to them won't produce anything useful. The IRA wanted a united Ireland, and they didn't get that.Morris_Dancer said:
We can't compromise with ISIS/Daesh. They seek to commit genocide, crucify children, burn prisoners alive, and have industrial scale sexual slavery. Which part of that could we accept?0 -
Hopefully not Anna Soubry style.TheScreamingEagles said:German vice-chancellor gives neo-Nazi protesters the finger
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/17/german-vice-chancellor-gives-neo-nazi-protesters-the-finger/0 -
Follow the money?John_M said:
Which is astounding even for UKIP. Never mind post-truth, we're in a post-logic world.TheScreamingEagles said:BREAKING: @NathanGillMEP to leave @UKIPWales assembly group to sit as independent
...but says he'll remain a UKIP MEP for Wales and leader of UKIP Wales.
Don't UKIP need a certain number of MEPs to get Euro dosh?0 -
Mr. Tokyo, indeed, but with Stalin we were fighting the Third Reich, and the IRA did actually have a political aim for which discussion was possible, despite their reprehensible acts.
ISIS/Daesh want the total subjugation of non-believers and/or their genocide.
They're perhaps comparable to the Khmer Rouge and the Nazis, but not to the IRA.0 -
I think Trump is right to focus on the populism strategy but is it too late? https://twitter.com/costareports0
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Has he recruited Milo Yiannopoulos yet ?Dadge said:I think Trump is right to focus on the populism strategy but is it too late? https://twitter.com/costareports
Would add to his team I think.
My thinking is he might as well go all in on his populist/slightly loopy strat, Milo would be a good fit.0 -
Ipsos Mori
Labour supporters are more impressed with Theresa May than by their own party leader Jeremy Corbyn, an extraordinary poll reveals today.
The finding by Ipsos MORI will en-courage Conservatives pushing for a snap general election if Mr Corbyn is reconfirmed as Labour leader next month.
Some 45 per cent of Labour backers said they were satisfied with the way Mrs May was doing her job as PM.
...If a general election were held tomorrow, some 45 per cent say they would back the Tories, up nine points in a month and their biggest share since 2009. Labour is on 34, down one since July. Fifty-four per cent of the public are satisfied with Mrs May’s performance at No 10, with 19 per cent dissatisfied.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-supporters-more-impressed-with-theresa-may-than-with-jeremy-corbyn-poll-shows-a3322626.html0 -
I appreciate that, but yet India is eating into our service industry jobs, not just help desks, but banking, and no doubt others too.foxinsoxuk said:
Tariffs are fairly low via the WHO, but what can really clobber exports (both manufactured and service) are the non-tarriff barriers. If we have a tariff free deal on manufactured goods but domestic sourcing on services (such as loss of financial passporting), then Brexit will be very good for the Eurozone, but not so good for us.Luckyguy1983 said:
Thanks - a working link might have helped it even more.rcs1000 said:
This might help your understanding.Luckyguy1983 said:
I haven't noticed any difficulty purchasing items from outside the EU. Wine from New Zealand, electronics from Korea and clothes from India seem to find their way into my shopping basket somehow.rcs1000 said:
Inside the single market, I could buy goods or services from a French or Spanish manufacturer on the same terms as a British one. We can - in addition, and as the Norwegians have done for example - sign additional free trade agreements with other countries.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why would they stop being able to buy stuff.rcs1000 said:
Why wouldn't you want to give British businesses and citizens the widest choice of goods and services to buy possible?Luckyguy1983 said:I don't want free movement. I don't particularly want single market access either. It does them much more good than it does us - and they know it.
I am aware of what a tariff is, and the fact that it is applied on non-EU imports. Thankfully somehow the Chinese, Indians, Americans, and everyone else, have found a cunning way to overcome the extra pennies that are added to their products - producing goods and services that people want to buy. This perhaps could be something we try.0 -
Hopefully, yes.Dadge said:I think Trump is right to focus on the populism strategy but is it too late? https://twitter.com/costareports
But I'm a bit worried, Trump is up to 13.1 (from 11 if I recall correctly).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo0 -
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I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
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I know, worrying, yesterday Hilary was touching 90%.logical_song said:
Hopefully, yes.Dadge said:I think Trump is right to focus on the populism strategy but is it too late? https://twitter.com/costareports
But I'm a bit worried, Trump is up to 13.1 (from 11 if I recall correctly).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo0 -
In 1896 there was similar polling and led to.....TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
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Labour 34% (-1)
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Here's what Gideon Skinner from Ipsos Mori writes
“It’s not unusual for a new Prime Minister to experience a honeymoon with voters, even if it doesn’t last, and Theresa May certainly seems to be enjoying one. What is notable though is the extent of her lead over her opponent Jeremy Corbyn in the way the public rates them in doing their job.”0 -
If I'm honest, Labour polling what 3% above what they polled under Ed Milband in 2015 seems a bit of a stretchFrancisUrquhart said:
In 1896 there was similar polling and led to.....TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
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Corbyn doesn't even seem to be taking anymore Green votes. Which is odd as I've seen anecdotal stuff about activists leaving Greens for Corbyn-land, even recently. Maybe the voters themselves aren't persuaded, or maybe anyone who will shift vote has done so.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
Green 4% (nc)0 -
34% is a good score for Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
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Labour 34% (-1)
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UKIP 6% (-2)
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Conservatives soar once rid of Osborne ?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
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Next Wednesday or Thursday I shall be publishing an Osborne thread that might give you an aneurysm.Alanbrooke said:
Conservatives soar once rid of Osborne ?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
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On SPOTY - Murray has the advantage of remaining in the public eye through to voting in December.
USOpen coming up, ATP tour finals in London and Davis Cup. If he wins at least 2 of the three his position as one of the favourites will be well justified.0 -
Do you reckon he'll be getting a Knighthood in New Year's Honours List?JackW said:On SPOTY - Murray has the advantage of remaining in the public eye through to voting in December.
USOpen coming up, ATP tour finals in London and Davis Cup. If he wins at least 2 of the three his position as on of the favourites will be well justified.0 -
Just for context, in Aug 2011 Labour led by 6% with Ipsos Mori.
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Owen Smith is a deeply unimpressive individual. He's a gaffe a week man. Negotiate with ISIS? Knock back Theresa May on her heels?
Beyond a joke.
The Labour party really should be finished now for presenting these two characters as future leaders of this country.0 -
Theresa May is a pound shop David Cameron.
David Cameron's Tories once led by 28% in an Ipsos Mori.0 -
Not sure. Nailed on eventually.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you reckon he'll be getting a Knighthood in New Year's Honours List?JackW said:On SPOTY - Murray has the advantage of remaining in the public eye through to voting in December.
USOpen coming up, ATP tour finals in London and Davis Cup. If he wins at least 2 of the three his position as on of the favourites will be well justified.
Dame and Knight for Trott/Kenny and Knight Mo too.0 -
Lib Dems, not winning here.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
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Labour 34% (-1)
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UKIP 6% (-2)
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''USOpen coming up, ATP tour finals in London and Davis Cup. If he wins at least 2 of the three his position as one of the favourites will be well justified. ''
Is there a market up in how much Hello will have to pay for the Kenney/Trott hitching?
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Mississippi - Magellan
Clinton 39 .. Trump 54
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/MagellanBR-YP_Poll_Toplines_081616.pdf0 -
He negotiated for peace in NI too apparently - that's a new one for me.GideonWise said:Owen Smith is a deeply unimpressive individual. He's a gaffe a week man. Negotiate with ISIS? Knock back Theresa May on her heels?
Beyond a joke.
The Labour party really should be finished now for presenting these two characters as future leaders of this country.0 -
To be fair the Tory lead is 'only' 5% before the filter kicks0
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I'm having trouble believing Mori polls right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I'm honest, Labour polling what 3% above what they polled under Ed Milband in 2015 seems a bit of a stretchFrancisUrquhart said:
In 1896 there was similar polling and led to.....TheScreamingEagles said:I'm sure there's a straw for Justin to clutch in here somewhere
Ipsos Mori changes
Conservative 45% (+9)
Labour 34% (-1)
Lib Dem 7% (-4)
UKIP 6% (-2)
Green 4% (nc)0 -
Southern Irish Olympic official arrested;
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While clearly true, that still puts him a level above Corbyn.GideonWise said:Owen Smith is a deeply unimpressive individual.
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Re Boris:
The fat lying c*nt makes my skin crawl. So pleased he isn't PM.
Incidentally, anyone know why Portillo seems to hold the same view? Is there history?0 -
The 34% includes a majority of Labour voters who aren't satisfied with the leader, so pretty tenuous.0
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Yes, he was deeply unimpressed by Boris' conduct as a journalist whilst Portillo was Defence SecretaryMonty said:Re Boris:
The fat lying c*nt makes my skin crawl. So pleased he isn't PM.
Incidentally, anyone know why Portillo seems to hold the same view? Is there history?0 -
Yes...PlatoSaid said:
He negotiated for peace in NI too apparently - that's a new one for me.GideonWise said:Owen Smith is a deeply unimpressive individual. He's a gaffe a week man. Negotiate with ISIS? Knock back Theresa May on her heels?
Beyond a joke.
The Labour party really should be finished now for presenting these two characters as future leaders of this country.
He became a SpAd to Paul Murphy in 2002 (due to his family connections) - which was long after the Good Friday agreement had been signed and Murphy was still at the Welsh Office.
He was also still working for Pfizer at the time.
So how they hell can he claim that??
Lying toad.
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Steven Shepard looks at Trump's shrinking electoral map :
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-shrinking-election-map-2270760
