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FTSE100 up 10% since the peak right before the referendum, GBP down 13% since the peak before the referendum. If he was lucky he might have just broke even!HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
And it would appear that Labour doesn't understand that STV is the most appropriate way to elect a group off six people. A slate of six for six places, all of whom win, isn't delivering effective representation even if the slate got half of the votes, or more.volcanopete said:
A bit more competence and bit less on legal fees required from Labour NEC.SouthamObserver said:Current NEC state of play:
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did-we-learn-from-the-nec-results/0 -
That's more than a single pennyReggieCide said:
it's your expectation. My cousin leaves next door to an ex Duke of Westminster estate in Norfolk bequeathed to a sister to see her through so they say. Can only be worth a million or two so not of any consequence.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I'm just disputing the word "entire". 0 -
Do you think he was a fully paid up, muck in with the lads, bitters all round kinda trooper?RobD said:
Apparently he started as a trooper in the 70s.ReggieCide said:
I thought bought commissions were a thing of the past.RobD said:
They got their hands on the will fast....HYUFD said:
The Mail says the whole estate goes to his son, though presumably his sisters will be amply provided forRobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Never knew he was a general in the TA.0 -
No, but he didn't join straight away as an officer (although can you even do that in the TA?)ReggieCide said:
Do you think he was a fully paid up, muck in with the lads, bitters all round kinda trooper?RobD said:
Apparently he started as a trooper in the 70s.ReggieCide said:
I thought bought commissions were a thing of the past.RobD said:
They got their hands on the will fast....HYUFD said:
The Mail says the whole estate goes to his son, though presumably his sisters will be amply provided forRobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Never knew he was a general in the TA.0 -
I doubt he owned anything.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
Probably a combination of perpetual trusts for the core estates and an Irish Rolling Settlement Trust for odds and sods
(Edit: for clarity I don't know how Grosvenor is structured although sure i could dig aroubd and figure it from public records)0 -
unless you can get Whitechapel Road too. Then you can probably leverage up the Ripper talesHYUFD said:
Though you can probably leave Old Kent Road...ReggieCide said:
which leaves half to play forHYUFD said:
If you are the Duke of Westminster you own half the board!ReggieCide said:
You still like to win at Monopoly though, don't you?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
If he was luckyRobD said:
FTSE100 up 10% since the peak right before the referendum, GBP down 13% since the peak before the referendum. If he was lucky he might have just broke even!HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
I thought all the Remainderers were now doing their best to support EU enterprises so it may just be solidarityFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
Nick wants a safe seat nomination in the Great Purge. He's not going to say anything controversial.grabcocque said:It's funny that NPXMP expects us to know what's going on in the minds of PLP *now*, given he didn't have any idea what was going on in it when he was actually *in it*.
I think the other half of the conversation Nick has entirely missed out on is the entirely reasonable belief that punishment deselections are incoming.
Why sit and wait for disaster to happen?
I mean, I guess sitting and waiting for disaster to happen was the tagline for NPXMP's time as an MP but that doesn't mean all MPs are necessarily quite as pathetic and craven.0 -
Can't have been that lucky....HYUFD said:
If he was luckyRobD said:
FTSE100 up 10% since the peak right before the referendum, GBP down 13% since the peak before the referendum. If he was lucky he might have just broke even!HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
Will Smith beat none of the above ?
https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/763141781538107392
https://twitter.com/CallumWarwick96/status/763137105816158212
Goodnight.0 -
No, Nick is just a Party Loyalist, meaning Loyalty to the Leader. He may be a leftie, but he is not a rebel.Charles said:
Nick wants a safe seat nomination in the Great Purge. He's not going to say anything controversial.grabcocque said:It's funny that NPXMP expects us to know what's going on in the minds of PLP *now*, given he didn't have any idea what was going on in it when he was actually *in it*.
I think the other half of the conversation Nick has entirely missed out on is the entirely reasonable belief that punishment deselections are incoming.
Why sit and wait for disaster to happen?
I mean, I guess sitting and waiting for disaster to happen was the tagline for NPXMP's time as an MP but that doesn't mean all MPs are necessarily quite as pathetic and craven.
I think that he has decided not to re-enter the fray.0 -
Going rate is £25m in cash plus a life interest in a house in London.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mail's use of "estate" will refer to Eaton Hall & lands plus the cabbage field.0 -
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
I expect he had buyers do most of it for himFrancisUrquhart said:
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
Any chance you could fix me up with one of those deals?Charles said:
Going rate is £25m in cash plus a life interest in a house in London.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mail's use of "estate" will refer to Eaton Hall & lands plus the cabbage field.
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Perhaps like many posho's he was a cheapskate who likes a bargain.FrancisUrquhart said:
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart
You get richer by not spending money rather than spending it!0 -
If you had to, though you wouldn't bother going there yourselfReggieCide said:
unless you can get Whitechapel Road too. Then you can probably leverage up the Ripper talesHYUFD said:
Though you can probably leave Old Kent Road...ReggieCide said:
which leaves half to play forHYUFD said:
If you are the Duke of Westminster you own half the board!ReggieCide said:
You still like to win at Monopoly though, don't you?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter0 -
I reckon that is what the Queen says when Charles asks why she isn't eating his Duchy Originals...foxinsoxuk said:
Perhaps like many posho's he was a cheapskate who likes a bargain.FrancisUrquhart said:
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart
You get richer by not spending money rather than spending it!0 -
I think a single p (not d) to you and me might equate to substantially more to the Grosvenors than a mere million or two.RobD said:
That's more than a single pennyReggieCide said:
it's your expectation. My cousin leaves next door to an ex Duke of Westminster estate in Norfolk bequeathed to a sister to see her through so they say. Can only be worth a million or two so not of any consequence.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter I'm just disputing the word "entire".0 -
Marrying for money's not worth the price.RobD said:
Any chance you could fix me up with one of those deals?Charles said:
Going rate is £25m in cash plus a life interest in a house in London.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mail's use of "estate" will refer to Eaton Hall & lands plus the cabbage field.
I went for a normal Californian lass rather than a strategic marriage.0 -
It's too far for me to go otherwise I would join you in complainingFrancisUrquhart said:
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
Maybe she's the one with the strategic marriage?Charles said:
Marrying for money's not worth the price.RobD said:
Any chance you could fix me up with one of those deals?Charles said:
Going rate is £25m in cash plus a life interest in a house in London.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mail's use of "estate" will refer to Eaton Hall & lands plus the cabbage field.
I went for a normal Californian lass rather than a strategic marriage.
and on that bombshell.... 0 -
On topic this sounds generally convincing. 28% in a general election sounds over-optimistic, though. How many extra seats do they lose if it's 24%?0
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Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
are parkrunners a better class of roadrunners?JohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
Isn't swimming supposed to be easier on the joints?JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
Was it wet then?HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
RobD said:
Maybe she's the one with the strategic marriage?Charles said:
Marrying for money's not worth the price.RobD said:
Any chance you could fix me up with one of those deals?Charles said:
Going rate is £25m in cash plus a life interest in a house in London.RobD said:
Yeah, so is the Mail! I would be royally miffed if I was one of his daughters and received not a single penny as the Mail suggests.ReggieCide said:
diminish the estate, c'mon. You've obviously not got any aristocratic blood. No more have I , I'm just guessing.RobD said:
He may have set some aside for his daughters, perhaps?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire, he was a chain smoker apparently which makes it a little less surprising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Mail's use of "estate" will refer to Eaton Hall & lands plus the cabbage field.
I went for a normal Californian lass rather than a strategic marriage.
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like Charlie with his urine tests?HYUFD said:
I expect he had buyers do most of it for himFrancisUrquhart said:
How awful, with the plebs in the food hall....thats what always crosses my mind if I have to shop in there ;-)HYUFD said:
Maybe the odd excursion to M and S rather than Harrods and Fortnum and MasonFrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure he was so broke he was having to resort to shopping in Aldi....HYUFD said:
It may have rebounded a bit but probably not a full $1 billion worthRobD said:
Wonder how much it changes after the fact. The FTSE has totally rebounded since then.HYUFD said:Apparently he lost $1 billion after the EU referendum
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/britain-s-wealthiest-lose-billions-in-brexit-fallout-chart0 -
I haven't been there for 20+ years and have no yearnings eitherHYUFD said:
If you had to, though you wouldn't bother going there yourselfReggieCide said:
unless you can get Whitechapel Road too. Then you can probably leverage up the Ripper talesHYUFD said:
Though you can probably leave Old Kent Road...ReggieCide said:
which leaves half to play forHYUFD said:
If you are the Duke of Westminster you own half the board!ReggieCide said:
You still like to win at Monopoly though, don't you?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter0 -
"Beep beep!"ReggieCide said:
are parkrunners a better class of roadrunners?JohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
Religion and nationalism are different aspects of the the same innate desire of people to identify with a group - to be part of an us that is different to them. They have served us well in the past and have allowed us to create large, prosperous and mutually beneficial societies. But, like any powerful tool, both have the capacity to cause immense harm when they run out of control. I suspect that, like our predilections for sugary and salty foods, they have now outlasted their usefulness. The sooner we can rid ourselves of the necessity of either, the better.foxinsoxuk said:
Like the Khymer Rouge or Cultural Revolution?ReggieCide said:
For sheer heaven, remove all religionsSeanT said:
The world would be an infinitely happier place if we could remove all of Islam, and all Muslims, from the West. It has proved to be an epochal mistake to try and incorporate them: the collision of liberal tolerance with illiberal intolerance means the latter always wins.oxfordsimon said:
Me too.ReggieCide said:
I'd be inclined to leave out "Western"SeanT said:Islam, as presently understood, is incompatible with Western civilisation.
Religion brings out both the worst and the best in people. It is like alcohol in that it makes people more like themselves. Genial people become more genial and aggressive people become more aggressive.0 -
Amen!FeersumEnjineeya said:
Religion and nationalism are different aspects of the the same innate desire of people to identify with a group - to be part of an us that is different to them. They have served us well in the past and have allowed us to create large, prosperous and mutually beneficial societies. But, like any powerful tool, both have the capacity to cause immense harm when they run out of control. I suspect that, like our predilections for sugary and salty foods, they have now outlasted their usefulness. The sooner we can rid ourselves of the necessity of either, the better.foxinsoxuk said:
Like the Khymer Rouge or Cultural Revolution?ReggieCide said:
For sheer heaven, remove all religionsSeanT said:
The world would be an infinitely happier place if we could remove all of Islam, and all Muslims, from the West. It has proved to be an epochal mistake to try and incorporate them: the collision of liberal tolerance with illiberal intolerance means the latter always wins.oxfordsimon said:
Me too.ReggieCide said:
I'd be inclined to leave out "Western"SeanT said:Islam, as presently understood, is incompatible with Western civilisation.
Religion brings out both the worst and the best in people. It is like alcohol in that it makes people more like themselves. Genial people become more genial and aggressive people become more aggressive.0 -
If you consider every town and city has a swimming pool and how many swim there at any one time it is probably more than are running in that same town or city's average park. Apparently 2.89 million swim every week 1.96 million do some sort of athletics (running, swimming or aerobics)JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.
http://www.totalsportek.com/list/popular-sports-united-kingdom/0 -
Will Smith?Speedy said:Will Smith beat none of the above ?
"Now that's what I call a Close Encounter!"
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Most of us only end up going there at Christmas after lunchReggieCide said:
I haven't been there for 20+ years and have no yearnings eitherHYUFD said:
If you had to, though you wouldn't bother going there yourselfReggieCide said:
unless you can get Whitechapel Road too. Then you can probably leverage up the Ripper talesHYUFD said:
Though you can probably leave Old Kent Road...ReggieCide said:
which leaves half to play forHYUFD said:
If you are the Duke of Westminster you own half the board!ReggieCide said:
You still like to win at Monopoly though, don't you?HYUFD said:
Mind you if you were his son and heir even with IHT you would still be a multi billionaire so it is not going to affect your finances too much. His son Hugh, 25, will inherit the whole estate.No_Offence_Alan said:
It will be interesting to see what arrangements have been made to avoid IHT.HYUFD said:
He was still the richest British person in the ST rich list in 2015, net worth £8.6 billion, his family still owns vast swathes of London. RIPScott_P said:@ChrisMasonBBC: Billionaire landowner the Duke of Westminster, Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, died
today aged 64 at Royal Preston Hospital in Lancashire
http://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/147210/duke-of-westminster-richest-brit-in-the-country-.aspx
The Mail says he had a heart attack at his estate in Lancashire
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3732222/Billionaire-landowner-Duke-Westminster-dies-aged-64.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Here are some actual numbers on it:HYUFD said:
If you consider every town and city has a swimming pool and how many swim there at any one time it is probably more than are running in that same town or city's average park. Apparently 2.89 million swim every week 1.96 million do some sort of athletics (running, swimming or aerobics)JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.
http://www.totalsportek.com/list/popular-sports-united-kingdom/
https://www.sportengland.org/media/10746/1x30_sport_16plus-factsheet_aps10q2.pdf
Ah, you edited your post to add some too. Surprised that there were that many swimmers!0 -
Will Who?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will Smith?Speedy said:Will Smith beat none of the above ?
"Now that's what I call a Close Encounter!"0 -
Swimming is something done by young and old, which is probably why it is the most common sport. GoodnightRobD said:
Here are some actual numbers on it:HYUFD said:
If you consider every town and city has a swimming pool and how many swim there at any one time it is probably more than are running in that same town or city's average park. Apparently 2.89 million swim every week 1.96 million do some sort of athletics (running, swimming or aerobics)JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.
http://www.totalsportek.com/list/popular-sports-united-kingdom/
https://www.sportengland.org/media/10746/1x30_sport_16plus-factsheet_aps10q2.pdf
Ah, you edited your post to add some too. Surprised that there were that many swimmers!0 -
A lot of research purports to show that running isn't a problem for the joints. Apparently one issue is that people take up running after being invalided out of other sports, like football, which is bad for the joints. Impact-bearing exercise is supposed to have a lot of benefits eg on bone density.RobD said:
Isn't swimming supposed to be easier on the joints?JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
No parkrun is a thing http://www.parkrun.org.uk/ReggieCide said:
are parkrunners a better class of roadrunners?JohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
In Nova Scotia on the Atlantic Shore, near Halifax. It's absolutely stunning: 80 degrees, crystal clear water. And no-one is here. Just wonderful.0
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GODDAMN IT YOU BEAT ME TO IT!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will Smith?Speedy said:Will Smith beat none of the above ?
"Now that's what I call a Close Encounter!"
(grumble grumble groan... ) 0 -
Ah, thanks!JohnLilburne said:
A lot of research purports to show that running isn't a problem for the joints. Apparently one issue is that people take up running after being invalided out of other sports, like football, which is bad for the joints. Impact-bearing exercise is supposed to have a lot of benefits eg on bone density.RobD said:
Isn't swimming supposed to be easier on the joints?JohnLilburne said:
Lots more people will run over the course of a weekend as well. But I didn't realise getting into nasty chlorine-smelling water is so popular.HYUFD said:
Probably 200,000 swimmers that same weekendJohnLilburne said:
80,000 parkrunners every Saturday morning, for a startReggieCide said:
swimmers are easier to count and their motivation is clearerJohnLilburne said:
I'd have thought more people run than swim.HYUFD said:
Understood, though I believe it is Britain's biggest participation sportkle4 said:
I was only teasing. And since I cannot swim, my interest levels are low.HYUFD said:
Well I do as a swimmer (even a fairly casual one). Our swimming record at the Olympics has been poor for decades so Peaty is a real boostkle4 said:
Depends if you care about swimming or not. There's so many swimming medals up for grabs, it's odd we haven't had one til now!HYUFD said:
We have won our first swimming gold since 1988, whatever happens now this will not be a disappointing gamesSeanT said:Hmm. I wonder if this might be a very dismaying Olympics for Team GB, not just a tad disappointing (which it was bound to be after London 2012).
Hubris, etc.0 -
"Russia-UK relations: May and Putin pledge to improve ties"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37029507
Do we have a Putinversteher in Downing Street?
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It's so transperent.Charles said:
Nick wants a safe seat nomination in the Great Purge. He's not going to say anything controversial.grabcocque said:It's funny that NPXMP expects us to know what's going on in the minds of PLP *now*, given he didn't have any idea what was going on in it when he was actually *in it*.
I think the other half of the conversation Nick has entirely missed out on is the entirely reasonable belief that punishment deselections are incoming.
Why sit and wait for disaster to happen?
I mean, I guess sitting and waiting for disaster to happen was the tagline for NPXMP's time as an MP but that doesn't mean all MPs are necessarily quite as pathetic and craven.0 -
"Ooops!"viewcode said:
GODDAMN IT YOU BEAT ME TO IT!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will Smith?Speedy said:Will Smith beat none of the above ?
"Now that's what I call a Close Encounter!"
(grumble grumble groan... )0
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