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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,362
    MTimT said:

    Ben stokes.....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Come on Northwestern India :)
    I wonder how Southeastern Pakistan would be faring ... ;)
    You live in Southern Canada? :lol:
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    SkyNews
    Norfolk Police says it is "increasingly likely" two men involved in attempted abduction of serviceman at RAF Marham were part of larger team
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,642
    edited July 2016

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking everything out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    PlatoSaid said:

    SkyNews
    Norfolk Police says it is "increasingly likely" two men involved in attempted abduction of serviceman at RAF Marham were part of larger team

    I think it is fairly clear the individual involved got very lucky. I fear if he had been taken we would be witnessing something quite horrific.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Jeremy Corbyn 4 PM
    1700 people in Salford for #JCLiveLaunch
    Watch it live now https://t.co/PJ5peZo8e5 https://t.co/n80fNm6uVM
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    PlatoSaid said:

    Jeremy Corbyn 4 PM
    1700 people in Salford for #JCLiveLaunch
    Watch it live now https://t.co/PJ5peZo8e5 https://t.co/n80fNm6uVM

    Its not a cult honest....
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,642
    edited July 2016

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    Ben stokes.....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Come on Northwestern India :)
    I wonder how Southeastern Pakistan would be faring ... ;)
    You live in Southern Canada? :lol:
    Feels more like Northern Mexico ...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

    I know, but nobody has gone through with it. Just threats of legal action & he apologies & then carries on "making mistakes".
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Jeremy Corbyn 4 PM
    1700 people in Salford for #JCLiveLaunch
    Watch it live now https://t.co/PJ5peZo8e5 https://t.co/n80fNm6uVM

    Its not a cult honest....
    Check out the tweets - its political evangelism on steroids
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Magnificent 200 for Root
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sky news

    A bus carrying teenagers from Wales has crashed in France, injuring 13 people, according to local police. The bus was heading to Italy when it tipped over onto its side on a motorway near the Swiss border. Three of the injured are said to be in serious condition. Forty-eight people were on board the bus, most of them aged 14 to 17.

    It is thought driver fell asleep at the wheel

    http://news.sky.com/story/welsh-teenagers-injured-in-france-bus-crash-10510312
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    SkyNews
    Norfolk Police says it is "increasingly likely" two men involved in attempted abduction of serviceman at RAF Marham were part of larger team

    I think it is fairly clear the individual involved got very lucky. I fear if he had been taken we would be witnessing something quite horrific.
    A team of lone wolves.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    GeoffM said:

    Magnificent 200 for Root

    Wonder what cookie monster makes of it?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,642
    edited July 2016

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

    I know, but nobody has gone through with it. Just threats of legal action & he apologies & then carries on "making mistakes".
    Agreed. But could he afford the damages?

    Of a similar ilk Professor Murphaloon could afford it, presumably, which is may be why Lord Ashcroft followed through.

    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tory-chief-lord-ashcroft-settles-website-libel-claim/

    Here the underlying problem seems to me to be that Murphy thought he could be a journalist.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

    I know, but nobody has gone through with it. Just threats of legal action & he apologies & then carries on "making mistakes".
    Agreed. But could he afford the damages?

    Of a similar ilk Professor Murphaloon could afford it, presumably, which is may be why Lord Ashcroft followed through.

    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tory-chief-lord-ashcroft-settles-website-libel-claim/
    He couldn't but I would think it would make him make him change his behaviour.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Get the feeling the 3rd umpire wants to give this out.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    I think they would if there were 150 simultaneously!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2016
    Terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. It has to be conclusive to over turn on field decision & absolutely wasn't 100% from hotspot & snicko / vt didn't show conclusive proof either.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Is Corbyn advocating removing the lower minimum wage for young people? Has he considered why the lower rate actually exists? It's not because of "discrimination".
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Get the feeling the 3rd umpire wants to give this out.

    He was desperately looking for a reason. Joel himself said that the glove mark might not be new, and that the sound was from foot movement.
    But regardless - the repeated looking for the smallest feather is not what DRS was for. It was designed to reverse howling umpire errors and even out some of the more marginal calls. Not to replace the on field umpire.
    Reversing what was a perfectly acceptable on field decision there was wrong.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    GeoffM said:

    Get the feeling the 3rd umpire wants to give this out.

    He was desperately looking for a reason. Joel himself said that the glove mark might not be new, and that the sound was from foot movement.
    But regardless - the repeated looking for the smallest feather is not what DRS was for. It was designed to reverse howling umpire errors and even out some of the more marginal calls. Not to replace the on field umpire.
    Reversing what was a perfectly acceptable on field decision there was wrong.
    Absolutely. The 3rd umpire should be sanctioned for that decision. I've seen more impartially in a labour review into anti-Semitism!
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

    http://annaraccoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/eoin-clarke-credibility.jpg

    ACTUAL LOL
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    3rd umpire UGH/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Karma....
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Come on bbc, even your in house magazine is reporting the name & details of the German killer.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    alex. said:
    From the same guy who threw Angela Eagle over a cliff. You gotta laugh.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    alex. said:

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    I think they would if there were 150 simultaneously!
    I seriously doubt that. If all the SDP defectors had forced by elections back in 1981 they would have won massive majorities. Very likely that the 150 would get much bigger majorities than in 2015. A new less extreme party would probably gain a lot of support from non-alligned voters - similar to the SDP heyday.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    alex. said:
    From the same guy who threw Angela Eagle over a cliff. You gotta laugh.
    How about this radical idea, we fill those positions with the best people available regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    John Prescott
    Quick preview of my @thesundaymirror column on #LabourLeadership and the emergence of Troll Labour. https://t.co/hHjBslnIlQ
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    alex. said:
    From the same guy who threw Angela Eagle over a cliff. You gotta laugh.
    There are loads of people who believe that having the right policies in place mean that they don't actually have to do anything about the behaviour the policies are there to address.

    Good afternoon, everyone.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    I think they would if there were 150 simultaneously!
    I seriously doubt that. If all the SDP defectors had forced by elections back in 1981 they would have won massive majorities. Very likely that the 150 would get much bigger majorities than in 2015. A new less extreme party would probably gain a lot of support from non-alligned voters - similar to the SDP heyday.
    That was at the peak of Thatcher's unpopularity, and at a time where the Labour brand was still very strong. The Tories could pick up dozens of seats in marginal seats as a result of a split Labour party and an appeal for a larger majority to deliver Brexit.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    ' While the Conservative vote declined slightly, Rumbold was able to achieve an easy victory, with the 1979 Labour vote split fairly evenly between Douglas-Mann and Nicholas '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_and_Morden_by-election,_1982

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY

    If there were 150 byelections some would be like Lincoln 1973 and some like Mitcham 1982 and some would be different to both - Corbynista wins or UKIP or LibDem gains.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Come on bbc, even your in house magazine is reporting the name & details of the German killer.

    Not sure what the BBC is up to, their lead story on the Munich killer, names Breivik x 5 and Sonboly x 0. - Surely they're not daft enough to pull the same Rochdale trick twice?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Currently a bet on the bf cricket market at odds of 863.21, surely not possible?
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    I think they would if there were 150 simultaneously!
    I seriously doubt that. If all the SDP defectors had forced by elections back in 1981 they would have won massive majorities. Very likely that the 150 would get much bigger majorities than in 2015. A new less extreme party would probably gain a lot of support from non-alligned voters - similar to the SDP heyday.
    150 by-elections where the Labour vote gets split and the Tories can focus their efforts away from the sub-section of that 150 where they really have no chance.

    And you think the Tories won't end up net winners there?

    OK.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    How many seats would the Tories *lose* in that scenario?

    That option would see May literally skipping up and down Downing street.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Come on bbc, even your in house magazine is reporting the name & details of the German killer.

    Not sure what the BBC is up to, their lead story on the Munich killer, names Breivik x 5 and Sonboly x 0. - Surely they're not daft enough to pull the same Rochdale trick twice?
    It feels as desperate to play down facts & play up conjecture as the 3rd umpire in the cricket to find a reason to give stokes out.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    ' While the Conservative vote declined slightly, Rumbold was able to achieve an easy victory, with the 1979 Labour vote split fairly evenly between Douglas-Mann and Nicholas '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_and_Morden_by-election,_1982

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY

    If there were 150 byelections some would be like Lincoln 1973 and some like Mitcham 1982 and some would be different to both - Corbynista wins or UKIP or LibDem gains.
    Mitcham & Morden happened at the time of the Falklands War - a couple of months earlier Douglas - Mann would have walked it.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    New thread.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    I sewhat the spin angle is with Tim Paine as VP for Clinton...as the BBC spins it "spanish speaking Tim Paine".

    Yep, and not deregulate the banks and TTIP, NAFTA supporting Tim Caine.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.


    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    I think they would if there were 150 simultaneously!
    I seriously doubt that. If all the SDP defectors had forced by elections back in 1981 they would have won massive majorities. Very likely that the 150 would get much bigger majorities than in 2015. A new less extreme party would probably gain a lot of support from non-alligned voters - similar to the SDP heyday.
    150 by-elections where the Labour vote gets split and the Tories can focus their efforts away from the sub-section of that 150 where they really have no chance.

    And you think the Tories won't end up net winners there?

    OK.
    Just take a look at the 1973 Lincoln by election and compare what happened to the Tory vote relative to 1970. Any honeymoon for May will be long over by - say - March 2017 which might be a good time to hold any by elections. The dynamics would not favour the Tories in that such elections would be presented as Corbyn v PLP.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    justin124 said:



    150 by-elections where the Labour vote gets split and the Tories can focus their efforts away from the sub-section of that 150 where they really have no chance.

    And you think the Tories won't end up net winners there?

    OK.

    ...
    You're really trying to stick to this?

    LOL. Brilliant.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    I'm actually worried about the clear short-circuit you're undergoing here.

    Think. It. Through.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    Update of George Osborne's borrowing record:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn
    2016/17 surplus
    Total £471bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £123bn
    2013/14 £104bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 £75bn
    2016/17 £26bn ytd
    Total £673bn

    So an overall over-borrowing of £202bn.

    Does anyone know what the country has got for that £202bn ? Apart from a current account deficit at record levels ?

    A garden bridge and an owl sanctuary?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    Update of George Osborne's borrowing record:

    Predicted Borrowing
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn
    2016/17 surplus
    Total £471bn

    Actual Borrowing
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £123bn
    2013/14 £104bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 £75bn
    2016/17 £26bn ytd
    Total £673bn

    So an overall over-borrowing of £202bn.

    Does anyone know what the country has got for that £202bn ? Apart from a current account deficit at record levels ?

    A garden bridge and an owl sanctuary?
    And a lot of extra Conservative votes in 2015.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    alex. said:

    BigIan said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Corbyn does win again the PLP might decide to elect its own leader who would then become Leader of the Opposition. In order to give themselve legitimacy such MPs could decide to resign their seats en masse and so force circa 150 by elections. I suspect that almost all would be re-elected , and,thereafter, would attract much Union support and funding.

    Not possible within Labour, which would almost certainly expel them if they tried that sort of trick anyway.

    As long as they are *Labour* MPs, then the leader of the Labour party, if in the Commons, is the LotO, irrespective of whether he has any practical control over them.
    I understand that. It was my intention to suggest that effectively they present themselves collectively under a new label at 150 by elections - in the same way that Dick Taverne did at Lincoln in his March 1973 by election. Perhaps they could simply call themselves PLP candidates. I suspect they would rout any official pro- Corbyn Labour candidate and - like Taverne - would also receive many tactical votes from former Tory and Oher voters.
    Aha, so you're suggesting a split to form a new party, and then immediate by-elections, right?
    This plan would be fine if the Tories had a good majority and thereby it wouldn't make much of a difference to their ability to pass legislation. In practice the Tories would win a significant number of the seats and a battle would be won in the Labour Party at significant concurrent boost to the government..
    I doubt that the Tories would win any seats at such by elections. Many Tory voters would be likely to vote tactically against the pro - Corbyn candidate - as happened at Lincoln in March 1973.Theoretically Taverne opposed by an official Labour candidate could have let the Tories in - it didn't happen - the Tories ended in third place!
    ' While the Conservative vote declined slightly, Rumbold was able to achieve an easy victory, with the 1979 Labour vote split fairly evenly between Douglas-Mann and Nicholas '

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitcham_and_Morden_by-election,_1982

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY

    If there were 150 byelections some would be like Lincoln 1973 and some like Mitcham 1982 and some would be different to both - Corbynista wins or UKIP or LibDem gains.
    Mitcham & Morden happened at the time of the Falklands War - a couple of months earlier Douglas - Mann would have walked it.
    So stop the world I want to have 150 byelections.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    alex. said:
    From the same guy who threw Angela Eagle over a cliff. You gotta laugh.
    How about this radical idea, we fill those positions with the best people available regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation.
    I agree. The women only lists have often been used to displace, left wing, local men with right wing, female SPADS.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    edited July 2016





    Mitcham & Morden happened at the time of the Falklands War - a couple of months earlier Douglas - Mann would have walked it.

    So stop the world I want to have 150 byelections.
    pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,642

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    for those waiting for cricket to restart and in need of popcorn moments, Dan Hodges is amusing himself this afternoon by baiting Corbynista on his twitter feed about Sin Feinn thing.

    Is this not just Jeremy Corbyn and his friends lying again, just as Commissar Maodonnell did a few days ago about his willingness to split the party "if this is what it takes"?

    PS I see that Dr Eoin's latest website appears to have been suspended:
    http://labourrebuttal.com/

    @ Mr Quidder.
    It is not news, it is displacement activity.
    Any day of any game of cricket requires 4 hours of either napping or faffing. This is the latter.
    Does he actually ever do any work at his day job of glorified librarian?
    I quote like the irony in Rebuttal. The good Dr is talking out of his backside again.

    I say that confidently not having read any of it.
    How somebody with deep pockets hasn't sued him I don't know.
    They did. Lots of them, including La Soubry, or threatened to, and he suddenly turned into a boot-licking snowflake.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/

    I know, but nobody has gone through with it. Just threats of legal action & he apologies & then carries on "making mistakes".
    Agreed. But could he afford the damages?

    Of a similar ilk Professor Murphaloon could afford it, presumably, which is may be why Lord Ashcroft followed through.

    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tory-chief-lord-ashcroft-settles-website-libel-claim/
    He couldn't but I would think it would make him make him change his behaviour.
    Others who follow Prof Murphy think that he has refocused his demonisations from individuals to companies, which have more trouble suing for libel aiui.

    I think Eoin Clarke is just a genuine f*ckwit. Back in the early days of Liberal Conspiracy in 2009+ some people - including me - tried to engage with him, and he has the intellectual capability of a breezeblock.
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