It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.
I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).
Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.
Yokel gives the impression he knows the ethnicity (well, he says the Germans know) - come on Yokel let us know.
Incidentally, the lack of beard means nothing. If they were islamists expecting to die they could well shave off beards .... and I think I recall chest hair??????
Certainly we know that happened prior to 9/11 attacks for certain and I seem to recall that the case in others.
Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.
I hope we have not jinxed it now! With recent events, perhaps funding will be increased for counter-terrorism.
With May as PM, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened.
It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.
I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).
Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.
Yokel gives the impression he knows the ethnicity (well, he says the Germans know) - come on Yokel let us know.
Incidentally, the lack of beard means nothing. If they were islamists expecting to die they could well shave off beards .... and I think I recall chest hair??????
Certainly we know that happened prior to 9/11 attacks for certain and I seem to recall that the case in others.
If they are far right loons shooting foreigners that would account for why one of them appeared to shoot into the air outside McDonalds to scatter the crowd rather just mow them down.
Today in history 1456 , victory against Mehmet II (he who overran Constantinople) by the Kingdom of Hungary in the Battle of Belgrade. Still celebrated as a memorial day in Hungary to this day.
Wikipedia:
The Siege of Belgrade, or Battle of Belgrade or Siege of Nándorfehérvár. occurred from July 4–22, 1456. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II rallied his resources in order to subjugate the Kingdom of Hungary. His immediate objective was the border fort of the town of Belgrade (in old Hungarian Nándorfehérvár). John Hunyadi, the Voivode of Transylvania, who had fought many battles against the Turks in the previous two decades, prepared the defenses of the fortress.
The Pope celebrated the victory as well, as he previously ordered all Catholic kingdoms to pray for the victory of the defenders of Belgrade. This led to the noon bell ritual that is still undertaken in Catholic and old Protestant churches nowadays. The day of the victory, 22 July, has been a national memorial day in Hungary ever since.
Today in history 1456 , victory against Mehmet II (he who overran Constantinople) by the Kingdom of Hungary in the Battle of Belgrade. Still celebrated as a memorial day in Hungary to this day.
Wikipedia:
The Siege of Belgrade, or Battle of Belgrade or Siege of Nándorfehérvár. occurred from July 4–22, 1456. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II rallied his resources in order to subjugate the Kingdom of Hungary. His immediate objective was the border fort of the town of Belgrade (in old Hungarian Nándorfehérvár). John Hunyadi, the Voivode of Transylvania, who had fought many battles against the Turks in the previous two decades, prepared the defenses of the fortress.
The Pope celebrated the victory as well, as he previously ordered all Catholic kingdoms to pray for the victory of the defenders of Belgrade. This led to the noon bell ritual that is still undertaken in Catholic and old Protestant churches nowadays. The day of the victory, 22 July, has been a national memorial day in Hungary ever since.
The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.
If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.
What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.
The police know the ethnic origin already.
How come you know this already ? Where do you get your information from ?
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.
If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.
What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.
The police know the ethnic origin already.
How come you know this already ? Where do you get your information from ?
I believe from previous international military or security events that Yokel is connected with intelligence or security services. He had proved remarkably accurate in his analysis of such events in the past.
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
Does it? Or does it just mean that there are more seats with Communist-socialist transfers see the Reds in ahead of anyone on the centre or right, than FN strongholds.
The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.
If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.
What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.
The police know the ethnic origin already.
How come you know this already ? Where do you get your information from ?
I believe from previous international military or security events that Yokel is connected with intelligence or security services. He had proved remarkably accurate in his analysis of such events in the past.
One of the few posters whose posts are always worth reading
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
Does it? Or does it just mean that there are more seats with Communist-socialist transfers see the Reds in ahead of anyone on the centre or right, than FN strongholds.
There were nine Communist - FN run offs, albeit all with relatively small LR votes to distribute. In every case, the Communists won.
Put another way: the Les Republicains, and PS votes went up in the second rounds markedly. The FN share - on a constituency level - barely budged anywhere.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
Apparently the shopping centre is built on the site of the 1972 Olympics.
That's not near the city centre, from memory. I think it's going out towards the airport. Maybe the equivalent of somewhere like East Finchley or Muswell Hill.
The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.
If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.
What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.
The police know the ethnic origin already.
How come you know this already ? Where do you get your information from ?
Because he speaks German and understands the immediate actions taken at all these events
Several reports have the gunmen carrying 'long rifles', a slightly odd description of AKs/ARs? All the current pics show the shooters with handguns, not your usual hardware for an ISIS inspired attack.
Fwiw Breivik's weapons were a hunting rifle & handgun.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
Isn't really like Brevik at all. Brevik was making a political "point" in his choice of targets, he wasn't shooting apparently indescriminately in a busy area.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
.....he wasn't shooting apparently indescriminately in a busy area.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
Isn't really like Brevik at all. Brevik was making a political "point" in his choice of targets, he wasn't shooting apparently indescriminately in a busy area.
Judging by the death and injury toll (5 dead, double figures injured) and what Ive seen about it they were shooting foreigners rather than indiscriminately which would have killed and injured more with three gunmen.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
Isn't really like Brevik at all. Brevik was making a political "point" in his choice of targets, he wasn't shooting apparently indescriminately in a busy area.
China peoples daily has tweeted another photo of another of the gunmen on the car park roof. Looks like a central european gentleman to me.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
I must admit it does seem to have a Brevik feel about it. If some of the gunmen have managed to slip away that might also be explained by the police believing they were looking for middle eastern types rather than Europeans.
Isn't really like Brevik at all. Brevik was making a political "point" in his choice of targets, he wasn't shooting apparently indescriminately in a busy area.
We have no idea who the victims are so far in this case so it isn't really possible to claim it was indiscriminate.
Apparently the shopping centre is built on the site of the 1972 Olympics.
That's not near the city centre, from memory. I think it's going out towards the airport. Maybe the equivalent of somewhere like East Finchley or Muswell Hill.
Very near the site of the massacre, according to Telegraph maps...
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
Conflicting news - not unusual as eyewitnesses are often confused.
Muslim eyewitness heard "Allahu Akbar" A Muslim woman, named by CNN as Lauretta, told the channel she heard the gunmen shout "Allahu Akhar" as they shot children.
I know this because I am a Muslim.
I saw the shooting of children, who were sitting down to eat. They could not run.
Boris Johnson Verified account @BorisJohnson Deeply shocked & saddened by #Munich shootings. My thoughts are w/ the victims, their loved ones & all #Germany at this time
Boris Johnson Verified account @BorisJohnson Deeply shocked & saddened by #Munich shootings. My thoughts are w/ the victims, their loved ones & all #Germany at this time
This man is a ridiculous parody of a foreign secretary.
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
The German police know plenty but they aren't telling. You also have a definition problem where Munich police have said its unlikely to be 'extremist' in nature. Problem is what do the German authorities call extremist? Right wing, left wing, Islamist?
Unclear.
They do know ethnicity but that in itself, particularly in Germany actually now that I think about it, is no guarantee on this one.
There is limited info out of the usual cheerleader channels for IS, that much is clear. They don't seem to bed celebrating it as of about an hour or so ago.
The modus operandi seems obvious, the context seems obvious, but the ground reality isn't yet.
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
Those elections were before the recent wave of terror attacks, on present polling Marine Le Pen beats Hollande if she faces him in the run-off and he is not a Communist but the incumbent president
Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Trump is a "given" IMO.
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.
Sarkozy wins the middle-class, Le Pen the working class and where the left go would be interesting
At the moment, the left would back Sarkozy in sufficient numbers to see him over the line, though it'd be far closer than 2002. It's far from a done deal either way though. Were he to tack too far right, the left might just sit it out.
Yes and the left loathe Sarkozy far more than they disliked Chirac
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.
As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.
Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.
Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.
But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.
Why? Trump is currently behind in the polls and the demographics are not favourable to him in key swing states. He's had a negligible convention bounce.
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
The German police know plenty but they aren't telling. You also have a definition problem where Munich police have said its unlikely to be 'extremist' in nature. Problem is what do the German authorities call extremist? Right wing, left wing, Islamist?
Unclear.
They do know ethnicity but that in itself, particularly in Germany actually now that I think about it, is no guarantee on this one.
There is limited info out of the usual cheerleader channels for IS, that much is clear. They don't seem to bed celebrating it as of about an hour or so ago.
The modus operandi seems obvious, the context seems obvious, but the ground reality isn't yet.
How can gunmen going on a shooting rampage not be extremist, unless it was one mad person.
Boris Johnson Verified account @BorisJohnson Deeply shocked & saddened by #Munich shootings. My thoughts are w/ the victims, their loved ones & all #Germany at this time
This man is a ridiculous parody of a foreign secretary.
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.
As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.
Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.
Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.
But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.
Why? Trump is currently behind in the polls and the demographics are not favourable to him in key swing states. He's had a negligible convention bounce.
Isn't it the US equivalent of the 2.8m who might swing it for Trump. People who don't normally vote and who aren't picked up by polling companies.
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
The German police know plenty but they aren't telling. You also have a definition problem where Munich police have said its unlikely to be 'extremist' in nature. Problem is what do the German authorities call extremist? Right wing, left wing, Islamist?
Unclear.
They do know ethnicity but that in itself, particularly in Germany actually now that I think about it, is no guarantee on this one.
There is limited info out of the usual cheerleader channels for IS, that much is clear. They don't seem to bed celebrating it as of about an hour or so ago.
The modus operandi seems obvious, the context seems obvious, but the ground reality isn't yet.
How can gunmen going on a shooting rampage not be extremist, unless it was one mad person.
Ask the authorities, its a potential difference in definition that makes it murky. Is it a crazy bozo? Is it a multi person attack? Is it Islamic is it something else?
The Germans do have a guess but they are remarkably reluctant to state it.
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
The German police know plenty but they aren't telling. You also have a definition problem where Munich police have said its unlikely to be 'extremist' in nature. Problem is what do the German authorities call extremist? Right wing, left wing, Islamist?
Unclear.
They do know ethnicity but that in itself, particularly in Germany actually now that I think about it, is no guarantee on this one.
There is limited info out of the usual cheerleader channels for IS, that much is clear. They don't seem to bed celebrating it as of about an hour or so ago.
The modus operandi seems obvious, the context seems obvious, but the ground reality isn't yet.
How can gunmen going on a shooting rampage not be extremist, unless it was one mad person.
Ask the authorities, its a potential difference in definition that makes it murky. Is it a crazy bozo? Is it a multi person attack? Is it Islamic is it something else?
The Germans do have a guess but they are remarkably reluctant to state it.
As you say, they know they ethnic origin. Now we are all waiting to hear.
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
Those elections were before the recent wave of terror attacks, on present polling Marine Le Pen beats Hollande if she faces him in the run-off and he is not a Communist but the incumbent president
The FN are also a party that is predominantly drawing support based on national issues. Like UKIP, I think they are seen as a bit irrelevant when it comes to local elections. So their natural base of supporters don't turn out, but they will for a presidential. Additionally, MLP is a strong candidate being held back by her party's reputation. She's very serious, not at all like Trump, and she herself doesn't say things THAT extreme. I don't think it will be enough to see her over the line in 2017, but she's setting herself up nicely for 2022.
'Those elections were before the recent wave of terror attacks, on present polling Marine Le Pen beats Hollande if she faces him in the run-off and he is not a Communist but the incumbent president '
Exactly, the current collection of left / right politicians isn't working,time to try a new face,it couldn't be worse,anti establishment etc.
Usually the situation after the conventions is close to the final picture, so we will see by early August who will win.
There are also other things, Jeb Bush and Romney will endorse Gary Johnson next week, they are very unpopular among the public and republicans outside of Utah, so it will probably cost Trump Utah but nothing else and will probably damage Johnson outside of Utah.
If will be highly ironic if the candidate for libertarians ends up being endorsed by the Bush family, whom libertarians hate.
Just on France and elections, I think people on this site massively over-estimate Marine Le Pen's chances.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
Those elections were before the recent wave of terror attacks, on present polling Marine Le Pen beats Hollande if she faces him in the run-off and he is not a Communist but the incumbent president
Well on present polling, Hollande is either fourth or fifth in the first round. So an unlikely contender for the second round.
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Incidentally, the lack of beard means nothing. If they were islamists expecting to die they could well shave off beards .... and I think I recall chest hair??????
Certainly we know that happened prior to 9/11 attacks for certain and I seem to recall that the case in others.
Now we have two kinds of nutters.
In fact, with IS type of terror, had they not had this jihad type mentality, many of them could have escaped too.
Wikipedia:
The Siege of Belgrade, or Battle of Belgrade or Siege of Nándorfehérvár. occurred from July 4–22, 1456. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II rallied his resources in order to subjugate the Kingdom of Hungary. His immediate objective was the border fort of the town of Belgrade (in old Hungarian Nándorfehérvár). John Hunyadi, the Voivode of Transylvania, who had fought many battles against the Turks in the previous two decades, prepared the defenses of the fortress.
The Pope celebrated the victory as well, as he previously ordered all Catholic kingdoms to pray for the victory of the defenders of Belgrade. This led to the noon bell ritual that is still undertaken in Catholic and old Protestant churches nowadays. The day of the victory, 22 July, has been a national memorial day in Hungary ever since.
Forget the opinion polls for a second, and lets look at votes in the ballot box.
In the last 18 months, there have been two sets of elections in France, the Departmental and the Regional. In both, the FN came first in the first round. In both, they failed miserably in the second.
I want to put their failure in the second round in context here. This was the party that led nationwide in the first round. But they were so transfer unfriendly that they were beaten by not just traditional parties but by the Communist Party and the Radical Party of the Left. The Communists, in fact, who had less one twentieth of the First Round vote of the Front National, ended up with three times the number of seats.
Think about that for a second: that means that Les Republicains voters - on average - massively preferred to transfer to a Communist than to a Front National candidate.
I'm calling far right on this - not necessarily German nationals though.
Put another way: the Les Republicains, and PS votes went up in the second rounds markedly. The FN share - on a constituency level - barely budged anywhere.
Fwiw Breivik's weapons were a hunting rifle & handgun.
He voted Leave and Yes.
IIRC the 'logic' was that the children would grow up to part of the governing party which was allowing too many foreigners into the country.
Shocking news from Munich - my thoughts are with the people of the city at this time.
Those boys are rather good.
A Munich police spokesman says there is no indication of Islamist terror.
A gunman apparently involved in the deadly attack on a Munich shopping centre told bystanders: "I am German". In a video posted on Twitter, the man carrying a rifle can be heard shouting up to people filming him from a balcony.
There have been suggestions that the shooting, which killed at least six people, could have been a right-wing attack, coming on the anniversary of the mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway
"End of the Line for France's Night Trains?
Half the country’s domestic night routes will be scrapped this autumn."
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/07/end-of-the-line-for-france-night-trains/492563/
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2014/10/goodnight-to-night-trains/382012/
Muslim eyewitness heard "Allahu Akbar"
A Muslim woman, named by CNN as Lauretta, told the channel she heard the gunmen shout "Allahu Akhar" as they shot children.
I know this because I am a Muslim.
I saw the shooting of children, who were sitting down to eat. They could not run.
Unclear.
They do know ethnicity but that in itself, particularly in Germany actually now that I think about it, is no guarantee on this one.
There is limited info out of the usual cheerleader channels for IS, that much is clear. They don't seem to bed celebrating it as of about an hour or so ago.
The modus operandi seems obvious, the context seems obvious, but the ground reality isn't yet.
Try not to be a moron all of the time.
The Germans do have a guess but they are remarkably reluctant to state it.
I'd fancy Trump to win if we applied UK norms,which almost always understate the right, to their polls .
Since they can do state by state polling they can get a very accurate prediction
German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has canceled a stay in the US and is on his way back to Germany.
'Those elections were before the recent wave of terror attacks, on present polling Marine Le Pen beats Hollande if she faces him in the run-off and he is not a Communist but the incumbent president '
Exactly, the current collection of left / right politicians isn't working,time to try a new face,it couldn't be worse,anti establishment etc.
Usually the situation after the conventions is close to the final picture, so we will see by early August who will win.
There are also other things, Jeb Bush and Romney will endorse Gary Johnson next week, they are very unpopular among the public and republicans outside of Utah, so it will probably cost Trump Utah but nothing else and will probably damage Johnson outside of Utah.
If will be highly ironic if the candidate for libertarians ends up being endorsed by the Bush family, whom libertarians hate.