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edited July 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The nastiness in the LAB leadership race is getting worse and now UNITE boss McCluskey is blaming MI5!

Just caught up with this Guardian story on UNITE boss Len McCluskey. Extraordinaryhttps://t.co/lyu7Qq9XxB pic.twitter.com/yUr21zs1xD

Read the full story here


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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    infamy
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Second like Remain.
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    William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Apparently the situation is still active...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    I'm quite certain, given who Corbyn has associated with over the years, that the security services will have a file on him. But that is very different to saying that what McCluskey is alleging. He simply can't accept that Corbyn is viewed with distaste by some in the party - as well as being adored by others.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Bavarian Interior Ministry have confirmed that sadly the death toll had been risen to three. They also believe that three shooters are involved.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Yet another thread where no one will comment on the subject due to current affairs being more urgent.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    I assume they're dancing in the streets of Raqqa at Erdogan's counter-putsch.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    well said...

    https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/756547491416379392
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    The pace on american TV in the last few weeks has been Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump-Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack.

    No wonder almost the same number of people think they have seen a Trump political ad as they have seen a Hillary political ad, despite Hillary running 15K of them and Trump 0.
    The daily evening news is a Trump political ad.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.

    I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    You're not a democrat, are you?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited July 2016
    BBC news thread on attack...


    18:45
    Officers are asking people not to post photos or video of police action.

    "Don't support the attackers!", this tweet says.


    18.51
    Video footage shows man shooting outside shopping centre


    18.59
    Taxi drivers advised not to pick up passengers
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    McCluskey: - Abuse of rebel MPs is down to MI5 posing as Labour supporters?

    After the union antics in Falkirk, I think Len knows better than most how nasty Labour can be.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.
    Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order message
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,032
    It would be a stretch to say that in any specific case, MI5 are definitely at work. However, we know that British state forces are active undercover infiltrators of the moderate left from trade unions to the anti-nuclear movement, as well as nastier gangs like the IRA, all the way up to maintaining long-term sexual relationships with activists. Really, the stretch is to ascribe any particular action around Momentum to them, for which I'm sure McCluskey has zero evidence.

    Ironically, if they had gone undercover to infiltrate the banks misselling PPI or mispricing Libor, they could have done society some good.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.
    Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order message
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    These gunmen apparently on the run, which of course means they might be able to repeat performance
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,637
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.

    I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.

    Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    The pace on american TV in the last few weeks has been Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump-Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack.

    No wonder almost the same number of people think they have seen a Trump political ad as they have seen a Hillary political ad, despite Hillary running 15K of them and Trump 0.
    The daily evening news is a Trump political ad.
    Yes these news stories will inevitably increase his coverage yet further
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Some light relief

    Andrew Neil
    So much for predictions of Cleveland violence. One guy set fire to US flag. Police only intervened when his pants caught fire.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Fifth anniversary of Breivik's attack in Norway. Probably just a coincidence.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    On Munich ... BBC being BBC- cautious and rightly so. It could be a couple of nuns arguing over a wimple. Or perhaps it's MI5 pretending to be Jezzarites?

    The Left do have a phobia about MI5, so it's no surprise when Len succumbs to paranoia. I mean, it can't have anything to do with Jeremy - he's so nice.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?

    I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.

    Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?

    Should Bercow have intervened ?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    CD13 said:

    On Munich ... BBC being BBC- cautious and rightly so. It could be a couple of nuns arguing over a wimple. Or perhaps it's MI5 pretending to be Jezzarites?

    The Left do have a phobia about MI5, so it's no surprise when Len succumbs to paranoia. I mean, it can't have anything to do with Jeremy - he's so nice.

    So strange that when there was a call for secret ballot to protect those worried that nice Mr Corbyn voted against it.

    Strange thing this kinder, gentler politics.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited July 2016
    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit world
    One thing I picked up from Laurie Penny's surprisingly good article on the RNC was that Wilders was there.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.

    I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.

    Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.
    Another tender little flower, started ranting about some fucking MPs and others using the #corbynspyfilms to undermine the dear leader. Oddly enough same tweetee had been extolling the virtues of tolerance. In a fit of conscience she deleted her offending comment.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
    HOFER in austria first ^^;;
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    And events, always events
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,637
    dr_spyn said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.

    I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.

    Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.
    Another tender little flower, started ranting about some fucking MPs and others using the #corbynspyfilms to undermine the dear leader. Oddly enough same tweetee had been extolling the virtues of tolerance. In a fit of conscience she deleted her offending comment.
    Jokes are a Blairite/Neo-Liberal plot, that's just a FACT.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Hopefully.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.
    So ARSE4US is still firm with no signs of going wobbly?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Jack's ARSE still passes the best wind.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    On topic, have MI5 not been infritrating various dissident lefty groups for decades now? That they'll have a way of getting intelligence from inside groups like Momentum should be expected - it's what we pay them to do!

    My shock of the last couple of weeks was that we speculated his MI5 file might have been why Boris withdrew from the leadership race, but that he subsequently ended up as Foreign Secretary suggests we know about all his skeletons already!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Hopefully.

    Reality
    williamglenn said:

    So ARSE4US is still firm with no signs of going wobbly?

    Need you really ask ? .... :smile:

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    shit

    General call put out for any doctors and nurses available to report to the hospital where injured have been taken.

    Bavarian state government holding crisis meeting

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    6 dead now being reported
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    Cameron should have proscribed the entire Labour party under he terrorism act. Unless there are other organisations that he thinks are threats to national security that he didn't proscribe.

    His failure to use all tools available to him made me think less of his ability to keep us all safe
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    SIA budget has been increased post 2008 crash.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited July 2016
    The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.

    If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.

    What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.

    The police know the ethnic origin already.
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    scoopscoop Posts: 64
    Pulpstar said:

    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?

    I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.

    Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?

    Should Bercow have intervened ?
    I didn't think Dave was still Prime Minister.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    HYUFD said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.
    Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order message
    Why so? We didn't when PIRA was setting off bombs in English cities, I don't see why we should or would now. The continentals might of course, and the Frogs are an excitable bunch, but Keep Calm and Carry On is surely the British way.

    Somewhere I have a photograph of a young lady calmly getting off a bus in a crowded Fleet Street whilst in the background the smoke from a V2 explosion rises into the air.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.

    Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    We shall see
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
    HOFER in austria first ^^;;
    He is probably now favourite
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.
    Sarkozy wins the middle-class, Le Pen the working class and where the left go would be interesting
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    scoop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    William_H said:

    If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?

    Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?

    I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.

    Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?

    Should Bercow have intervened ?
    I didn't think Dave was still Prime Minister.
    Has May said it ?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Floater said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    And events, always events
    Indeed
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    HurstLlama said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    Al that is true & our services have a long history of dealing with terrorists (compared to the germans), but I think by all accounts we have still been very lucky. In the public domain there have been cases of plots that only failed because of luck.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    Our security services are very good.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Casino_Royale said:

    HurstLlama said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
    You don't believe in gut feel? I do.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    All the Queens men. I salute them.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    david_herdson said:

    On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.

    Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.

    I am sure they took an interest in his recent Cuba meeting
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.
    The normally are rewarded, just us plebs don't need to know & in doing so put them at risk.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,975
    As previously explained, Len has a small Unite constituency, that'll love this kind of nonsense, to keep onside:

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/17/corbyn-and-mccluskey-comrades-in-arms/#vanilla-comments

    The most likely MI5 plants inside the current Labour party are its leader and the shadow chancellor.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    I think Le Pen would win, if she didn't have all the National Front baggage.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.
    I hope we have not jinxed it now! With recent events, perhaps funding will be increased for counter-terrorism.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited July 2016
    Casino_Royale said:

    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.

    Chortle .... :smiley:

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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    "Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame."

    I blame Farmer Jones, he always hated Snowball.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    President Trump is a "given" IMO.

    President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
    She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponent
    The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.
    Sarkozy wins the middle-class, Le Pen the working class and where the left go would be interesting
    At the moment, the left would back Sarkozy in sufficient numbers to see him over the line, though it'd be far closer than 2002. It's far from a done deal either way though. Were he to tack too far right, the left might just sit it out.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    Well said. Some of these people will be in very difficult situations too. But there is no doubt we owe them a deep amount of gratitude.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    SquareRoot said:

    david_herdson said:

    On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.

    Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.

    I am sure they took an interest in his recent Cuba meeting
    No-one else did.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited July 2016
    From Twitter.



    https://twitter.com/SteveLeevy/status/756559437989576709/photo/1
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    JackW said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.

    Chortle .... :smiley:

    True though.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    SquareRoot said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    HurstLlama said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
    You don't believe in gut feel? I do.
    Not when I'm betting, no.

    FWIW, I think Trump has a shot.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Casino_Royale said:

    I think Le Pen would win, if she didn't have all the National Front baggage.

    They are two whiffs of the same stench.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    david_herdson said:

    On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.

    Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.

    Perhaps some Met police undercover cops can try to get Uncle Len pregnant?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    UK Security Services are exceptional.

    They make me proud to be British.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen

    That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.
    The next year or two will be a rollercoaster
    A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.
    Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.
    I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.
    It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.
    UK Security Services are exceptional.

    They make me proud to be British.
    Some lessons were learnt the hard way of course.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Casino_Royale said:

    HurstLlama said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
    Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.

    As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Casino_Royale said:

    True though.

    Damned with faint praise .... some might say a pie filling response .. :smile:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    JackW said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    True though.

    Damned with faint praise .... some might say a pie filling response .. :smile:
    You have to take your compliments as they come :smile:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,648
    HurstLlama said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    HurstLlama said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world

    Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.

    Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.
    JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
    Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.

    As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.
    Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.

    Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.

    But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    edited July 2016
    It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is pale and beardless.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Casino_Royale said:

    You have to take your compliments as they come :smile:

    How very Mrs JackW of you ... :smile:

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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Is this our Malcolm?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk6Q8F3EwQ
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Casino_Royale said:

    Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.

    Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.

    But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.

    ARSE denier .. :smile:

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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    wasd said:

    It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.

    I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).

    Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    nunu said:

    Is this our Malcolm?
    ttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk6Q8F3EwQ

    No, our Malcolm has less hair and doesn’t laugh. :lol:
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    edited July 2016
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    wasd said:

    It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.

    I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).

    Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.
    Wiki also tells me it's 5 years since Brievik in Norway.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    SimonStClare said:

    nunu said:

    Is this our Malcolm?
    ttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk6Q8F3EwQ

    No, our Malcolm has less hair and doesn’t laugh. :lol:
    No mention of turnips either.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    wasd said:

    It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is pale and beardless.

    I'm struggling to think why the far-right would target conservative Munich.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/756563278327902208
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,629
    How the fuck did the German police let these guys escape from the mall?
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