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Just caught up with this Guardian story on UNITE boss Len McCluskey. Extraordinaryhttps://t.co/lyu7Qq9XxB pic.twitter.com/yUr21zs1xD
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Second like Remain.0
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If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?0
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Apparently the situation is still active...0
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Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen0
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I'm quite certain, given who Corbyn has associated with over the years, that the security services will have a file on him. But that is very different to saying that what McCluskey is alleging. He simply can't accept that Corbyn is viewed with distaste by some in the party - as well as being adored by others.William_H said:If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
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Bavarian Interior Ministry have confirmed that sadly the death toll had been risen to three. They also believe that three shooters are involved.0
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Yet another thread where no one will comment on the subject due to current affairs being more urgent.0
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That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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I assume they're dancing in the streets of Raqqa at Erdogan's counter-putsch.0
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Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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The pace on american TV in the last few weeks has been Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump-Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
No wonder almost the same number of people think they have seen a Trump political ad as they have seen a Hillary political ad, despite Hillary running 15K of them and Trump 0.
The daily evening news is a Trump political ad.0 -
Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.
I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.0 -
BBC news thread on attack...
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Officers are asking people not to post photos or video of police action.
"Don't support the attackers!", this tweet says.
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Video footage shows man shooting outside shopping centre
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Taxi drivers advised not to pick up passengers0 -
McCluskey: - Abuse of rebel MPs is down to MI5 posing as Labour supporters?
After the union antics in Falkirk, I think Len knows better than most how nasty Labour can be.
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The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order messageScrapheap_as_was said:
Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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It would be a stretch to say that in any specific case, MI5 are definitely at work. However, we know that British state forces are active undercover infiltrators of the moderate left from trade unions to the anti-nuclear movement, as well as nastier gangs like the IRA, all the way up to maintaining long-term sexual relationships with activists. Really, the stretch is to ascribe any particular action around Momentum to them, for which I'm sure McCluskey has zero evidence.
Ironically, if they had gone undercover to infiltrate the banks misselling PPI or mispricing Libor, they could have done society some good.0 -
Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order messageScrapheap_as_was said:
Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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These gunmen apparently on the run, which of course means they might be able to repeat performance0
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Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.dr_spyn said:Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.
I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.0 -
Yes these news stories will inevitably increase his coverage yet furtherSpeedy said:
The pace on american TV in the last few weeks has been Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack-Trump-Deadly Shooting-Trump-Terrorist Attack.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
No wonder almost the same number of people think they have seen a Trump political ad as they have seen a Hillary political ad, despite Hillary running 15K of them and Trump 0.
The daily evening news is a Trump political ad.0 -
Some light relief
Andrew Neil
So much for predictions of Cleveland violence. One guy set fire to US flag. Police only intervened when his pants caught fire.0 -
Fifth anniversary of Breivik's attack in Norway. Probably just a coincidence.0
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A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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On Munich ... BBC being BBC- cautious and rightly so. It could be a couple of nuns arguing over a wimple. Or perhaps it's MI5 pretending to be Jezzarites?
The Left do have a phobia about MI5, so it's no surprise when Len succumbs to paranoia. I mean, it can't have anything to do with Jeremy - he's so nice.0 -
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?William_H said:If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.
Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?
Should Bercow have intervened ?0 -
So strange that when there was a call for secret ballot to protect those worried that nice Mr Corbyn voted against it.CD13 said:On Munich ... BBC being BBC- cautious and rightly so. It could be a couple of nuns arguing over a wimple. Or perhaps it's MI5 pretending to be Jezzarites?
The Left do have a phobia about MI5, so it's no surprise when Len succumbs to paranoia. I mean, it can't have anything to do with Jeremy - he's so nice.
Strange thing this kinder, gentler politics.0 -
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis worldThe_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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One thing I picked up from Laurie Penny's surprisingly good article on the RNC was that Wilders was there.HYUFD said:
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit worldThe_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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Another tender little flower, started ranting about some fucking MPs and others using the #corbynspyfilms to undermine the dear leader. Oddly enough same tweetee had been extolling the virtues of tolerance. In a fit of conscience she deleted her offending comment.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.dr_spyn said:Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.
I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.
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She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
HOFER in austria first ^^;;HYUFD said:
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis worldThe_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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And events, always eventsHYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.HYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
Jokes are a Blairite/Neo-Liberal plot, that's just a FACT.dr_spyn said:
Another tender little flower, started ranting about some fucking MPs and others using the #corbynspyfilms to undermine the dear leader. Oddly enough same tweetee had been extolling the virtues of tolerance. In a fit of conscience she deleted her offending comment.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Some of the Corbynistas seem to have it in for academics who don't unquestioningly support the Labour party leadership. It isn't a good look.dr_spyn said:Corbyn Spy Films on Twitter might provide some amusement.
I'm not sure that some Corbynites do irony, noticed one of their number tweeting to Philip Cowley that he knew nothing about politics. Perhaps she hadn't noticed his books on British General Elections.0 -
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On topic, have MI5 not been infritrating various dissident lefty groups for decades now? That they'll have a way of getting intelligence from inside groups like Momentum should be expected - it's what we pay them to do!
My shock of the last couple of weeks was that we speculated his MI5 file might have been why Boris withdrew from the leadership race, but that he subsequently ended up as Foreign Secretary suggests we know about all his skeletons already!0 -
RealityThe_Apocalypse said:Hopefully.
Need you really ask ? ....williamglenn said:So ARSE4US is still firm with no signs of going wobbly?
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I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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shit
General call put out for any doctors and nurses available to report to the hospital where injured have been taken.
Bavarian state government holding crisis meeting
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6 dead now being reported0
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Cameron should have proscribed the entire Labour party under he terrorism act. Unless there are other organisations that he thinks are threats to national security that he didn't proscribe.William_H said:If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
His failure to use all tools available to him made me think less of his ability to keep us all safe0 -
SIA budget has been increased post 2008 crash.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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The police in Munich are worked their nuts off to achieve a cordon lock, and they may well have succeeded after the McDonalds shooting.
If they have, this particular incident will be over in a few hours. If not, its going to be a real response problem.
What we haven't heard yet is any evidence of house visits elsewhere. even in the midst of an incident a single locale, ideally you'd want to be going through your list of whoever's and seeing if they are at home.
The police know the ethnic origin already.
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I didn't think Dave was still Prime Minister.Pulpstar said:
Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?William_H said:If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.
Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?
Should Bercow have intervened ?0 -
Why so? We didn't when PIRA was setting off bombs in English cities, I don't see why we should or would now. The continentals might of course, and the Frogs are an excitable bunch, but Keep Calm and Carry On is surely the British way.HYUFD said:
Of course but voters will be looking for a tough national security and law and order messageScrapheap_as_was said:
Interestingly Mrs Scrap who is v nervous of flying, big events etc is saying if you aren't safe even going shopping, taking train then actually you cant take precautions, avoid things - life goes on and that's all you can do. So these random attacks may have less impact on daily life as what else can you do. Anecdote over.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
Somewhere I have a photograph of a young lady calmly getting off a bus in a crowded Fleet Street whilst in the background the smoke from a V2 explosion rises into the air.0 -
On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.
Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.0 -
JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
williamglenn said:
The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.HYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.
We shall seeJackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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He is probably now favouritePulpstar said:
HOFER in austria first ^^;;HYUFD said:
Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis worldThe_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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Sarkozy wins the middle-class, Le Pen the working class and where the left go would be interestingwilliamglenn said:
The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.HYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
Has May said it ?scoop said:
I didn't think Dave was still Prime Minister.Pulpstar said:
Should Dave have been allowed to say that ?William_H said:If the Prime Minister is calling him a threat to security and a terrorist sympathiser, aren't MI5 obliged to take steps?
I mean even if someone turns up 3 sheets to the wind you can't say they're drunk in parliament.
Was "terrorist sympathiser" ever used with respect to Tony Benn and the 'ra ?
Should Bercow have intervened ?0 -
IndeedFloater said:
And events, always eventsHYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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Al that is true & our services have a long history of dealing with terrorists (compared to the germans), but I think by all accounts we have still been very lucky. In the public domain there have been cases of plots that only failed because of luck.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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Our security services are very good.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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You don't believe in gut feel? I do.Casino_Royale said:
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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All the Queens men. I salute them.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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I am sure they took an interest in his recent Cuba meetingdavid_herdson said:On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.
Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame.0 -
The normally are rewarded, just us plebs don't need to know & in doing so put them at risk.The_Apocalypse said:
When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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As previously explained, Len has a small Unite constituency, that'll love this kind of nonsense, to keep onside:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/07/17/corbyn-and-mccluskey-comrades-in-arms/#vanilla-comments
The most likely MI5 plants inside the current Labour party are its leader and the shadow chancellor.0 -
I think Le Pen would win, if she didn't have all the National Front baggage.GIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
I hope we have not jinxed it now! With recent events, perhaps funding will be increased for counter-terrorism.The_Apocalypse said:
When they retire they should be on the honours list. They are truly brilliant.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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Chortle ....Casino_Royale said:JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
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"Still, always handy for him to have the establishment-in-the-shadows to blame."
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At the moment, the left would back Sarkozy in sufficient numbers to see him over the line, though it'd be far closer than 2002. It's far from a done deal either way though. Were he to tack too far right, the left might just sit it out.HYUFD said:
Sarkozy wins the middle-class, Le Pen the working class and where the left go would be interestingwilliamglenn said:
The most interesting contest would be Le Pen vs Sarkozy because he's likely to skirt so close to her that she may be able to outflank him on the left.HYUFD said:
She probably wins round 1 in my view, round 2 depends on her opponentGIN1138 said:
President Trump is a "given" IMO.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
President Le Pen... France might pull back from the brink, though the French political establishment basically telling the French people to "get used" to terrorist outrages must give her a shout.0 -
Well said. Some of these people will be in very difficult situations too. But there is no doubt we owe them a deep amount of gratitude.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
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No-one else did.SquareRoot said:
I am sure they took an interest in his recent Cuba meetingdavid_herdson said:On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.
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True though.JackW said:
Chortle ....Casino_Royale said:JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.
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Not when I'm betting, no.SquareRoot said:
You don't believe in gut feel? I do.Casino_Royale said:
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
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They are two whiffs of the same stench.Casino_Royale said:I think Le Pen would win, if she didn't have all the National Front baggage.
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Perhaps some Met police undercover cops can try to get Uncle Len pregnant?david_herdson said:On topic, I suspect that MI5 have better things to do than faff about with in incompetent politician.
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UK Security Services are exceptional.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
They make me proud to be British.0 -
Some lessons were learnt the hard way of course.Casino_Royale said:
UK Security Services are exceptional.Sandpit said:
It's really not luck that there's been nothing major in the UK for eleven years. It's down to a whole load of very hard work by thousands of normally invisible people at MI5, MI6, GCHQ, various foreign agencies, police and informers at home. They know they will be forever invisible, but we collectively owe them a great deal.The_Apocalypse said:
I feel like we are so incredibly lucky and blessed to have not had any mass attacks for more than a decade. I've heard that May apparently ensured funding for security services was protected from austerity which I 100% support.AndyJS said:
Kudos to our security services for preventing any mass attacks since 2005.The_Apocalypse said:
A rollercoaster of hell, it seems.HYUFD said:
The next year or two will be a rollercoasterThe_Apocalypse said:
That's what I fear. It feels like as a world we are going backwards not forwards.HYUFD said:Yet more terrible terrorist attack la, this time in Germany. Will likely boost the Afd there and the more these attacks become almost routine the more likely we end up with a President Trump or Le Pen
They make me proud to be British.0 -
Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.Casino_Royale said:
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.0 -
Damned with faint praise .... some might say a pie filling response ..Casino_Royale said:True though.
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You have to take your compliments as they comeJackW said:
Damned with faint praise .... some might say a pie filling response ..Casino_Royale said:True though.
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Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.HurstLlama said:
Quite so, Mr. Royale, not many of us have the brass neck to put out our thoughts as cast iron certainties. Even fewer having got such a prediction hopelessly wrong would then carry on as if nothing had happened.Casino_Royale said:
JackW is clever, experienced, well-connected, and skilled at mathematics but has no special insights than any of us don't have.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. W, but, with full respect, it was only a month ago that you were assuring us that Remain would win at a canter.JackW said:
Nothing certain except they'll all be losers.HYUFD said:Trump up first in November, Wilders next March, Le Pen next May, the AfD in September. Nothing certain in a post Brexit, Isis world
As I said, full respect to Mr. W. and I have won money from following his predictions in the past. However, when an advisor gives you bum advice then one is entitled to remind him/her of the fact and to look a little wider for advice/supporting evidence in the future.
Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.
But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.0 -
It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is pale and beardless.0
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Is this our Malcolm?
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ARSE denier ..Casino_Royale said:Trump is JackW v. RodCrosby.
Both are very clever skilled modellers, and successful gamblers, and have good records as pb pundits.
But (close your eyes Jack) if I had to put my money somewhere, it'd be with Rod on this.
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I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).wasd said:It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.
Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.0 -
No, our Malcolm has less hair and doesn’t laugh.nunu said:Is this our Malcolm?
ttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk6Q8F3EwQ
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Wiki also tells me it's 5 years since Brievik in Norway.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I was thinking that from stills of him. Also apparently firing in the air to scatter the crowd (rather than at them).wasd said:It's possible that this could be a far right thing. The person in the Sky footage is very pale and beardless.
Munich is after all where the Beer Hall Putsch happened.0 -
No mention of turnips either.SimonStClare said:
No, our Malcolm has less hair and doesn’t laugh.nunu said:Is this our Malcolm?
ttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk6Q8F3EwQ
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How the fuck did the German police let these guys escape from the mall?0
