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Compared with the alternatives he is presently the only thing that works, and that's why he's winning.Sunil_Prasannan said:The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that Jezza, for lack of a better word, is good. Jezza is right, Jezza works. Jezza clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the
(R)evolutionary spirit. Jezza, in all of his forms; Jezza for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And Jezza, you mark my words, will not only save the Labour Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK. Thank you very much.
Corbyn will probably win by a larger margin than the last time, though not much larger, probably low 60's.0 -
Watch us...Freggles said:
But the man is less rubbish, you are just pretending otherwise for party purposes.John_M said:
Can we not do both? They should have chosen the rubbish woman instead of the rubbish man.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
You can tease Labour about women leaders, or you can argue identity politics don't matter but you can't do both.0 -
According to the IFS, we can expect a fiscal shock of between £20-40 billion in terms of the PSBR. Split the difference. Call it £30 billion.SouthamObserver said:
This is a Labour party electorate.DavidL said:
To be honest until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of him and what I have heard since sounded deeply uninspired. Print another £200bn and spend it on infrastructure. Yeah, that would, well, be a bit of a disaster really.John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
Doesn't mean he is not better than Corbyn though. ABC, it is that simple.
Of course, the government has already dropped its entire fiscal and economic policy and will be spending a shedload of money than had been planned. We're all Corbynites now ;-)0 -
She's also about to get deselected by Momentum. More steel than all the men put together. I've always had a bit of soft spot for her after seeing a great, humorous performance in the HoC.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
What a pity. Sidelined by a mediocre no name without the guts to come out first.0 -
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Smith is an unknown. He will be selling himself to Labour members for the first time. There is an outside chance he may appeal to them enough to win their votes. I'd put it at 30% or so rather than less than I0%.Speedy said:So Corbyn is beating Smith by 20 points in a 2 way match, Eagle calls it quits even though she is beating Smith for second place.
Why are the betting markets not giving Corbyn 90+ % yet ?
That's a lot of money being bet on Micheal Foster.
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Labour does look as though it will be behind Jeremy in his bid to open up a Trabant dealership in every town across the land....Freggles said:
I think right now the Labour party is mostly saying JEZZERRRRRRR YEAHHHHHH SOCIALISMMMMMMMMarqueeMark said:
No, it's when the Labour Party does....Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
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Let's wait and see on that. My guess is that the deficit will continue to fall but that they won't bend themselves out of shape to reach balance by a particular date. Of course if 1% of what remainers said was true it would be out of their hands anyway but it wasn't and it isn't.SouthamObserver said:
This is a Labour party electorate.DavidL said:
To be honest until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of him and what I have heard since sounded deeply uninspired. Print another £200bn and spend it on infrastructure. Yeah, that would, well, be a bit of a disaster really.John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
Doesn't mean he is not better than Corbyn though. ABC, it is that simple.
Of course, the government has already dropped its entire fiscal and economic policy and will be spending a shedload of money than had been planned. We're all Corbynites now ;-)0 -
My apologies Freggles, I don't mean to tease. It's just very, very hot and life just seems increasingly surreal. I do try to take the mickey out of all sides, including my own.Freggles said:
But the man is less rubbish, you are just pretending otherwise for party purposes.John_M said:
Can we not do both? They should have chosen the rubbish woman instead of the rubbish man.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
You can tease Labour about women leaders, or you can argue identity politics don't matter but you can't do both.
PS I admire pretty much any woman in the Labour party at the moment. It's a cesspit of misogyny and hate. They must really love the party.0 -
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.0 -
Reminded of Recount and hanging chads - that was 16yrs ago. It feels so much more recent. Great movieTheScreamingEagles said:But what two great political court cases we've got to look forward to.
The NEC/Corbyn 51 nominations one and the Article 50 one.
My cup well and truly runneth over, it's like Bush v Gore all over again.
Also helps the poor, hard up legal profession, what's not to love?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVd1LuadnDk
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sometime in 2025 i guessDavidL said:
Let's wait and see on that. My guess is that the deficit will continue to fall but that they won't bend themselves out of shape to reach balance by a particular date.SouthamObserver said:
This is a Labour party electorate.DavidL said:
To be honest until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of him and what I have heard since sounded deeply uninspired. Print another £200bn and spend it on infrastructure. Yeah, that would, well, be a bit of a disaster really.John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
Doesn't mean he is not better than Corbyn though. ABC, it is that simple.
Of course, the government has already dropped its entire fiscal and economic policy and will be spending a shedload of money than had been planned. We're all Corbynites now ;-)
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Not being a backstabbing arse also helps!John_M said:The Govester strikes back
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Not much support from the Blairite wing.Tissue_Price said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/leadershipcandidates/owen-smith#nominationsMikeL said:How many nominations has Smith got?
Can't see it stated anywhere on here.0 -
Not sure that was it Michael. Have you had your suit dry cleaned yet?John_M said:The Govester strikes back
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Probably a good thing given he's trying to beat Corbyn.Artist said:
Not much support from the Blairite wing.Tissue_Price said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/leadershipcandidates/owen-smith#nominationsMikeL said:How many nominations has Smith got?
Can't see it stated anywhere on here.0 -
Don't worry about it, it's the same tactic as when Labour complain that the Tories are failing their deficit targetsJohn_M said:
My apologies Freggles, I don't mean to tease. It's just very, very hot and life just seems increasingly surreal. I do try to take the mickey out of all sides, including my own.Freggles said:
But the man is less rubbish, you are just pretending otherwise for party purposes.John_M said:
Can we not do both? They should have chosen the rubbish woman instead of the rubbish man.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
You can tease Labour about women leaders, or you can argue identity politics don't matter but you can't do both.
PS I admire pretty much any woman in the Labour party at the moment. It's a cesspit of misogyny and hate. They must really love the party.
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BBC reporter Jon Sopel describes the Republican convention as a "horror show".0
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Well so far what we know about Smith, is that the only contest he can enter with a chance to win is a stupidity one with George W. Bush.SouthamObserver said:
Smith is an unknown. He will be selling himself to Labour members for the first time. There is an outside chance he may appeal to them enough to win their votes. I'd put it at 30% or so rather than less than I0%.Speedy said:So Corbyn is beating Smith by 20 points in a 2 way match, Eagle calls it quits even though she is beating Smith for second place.
Why are the betting markets not giving Corbyn 90+ % yet ?
That's a lot of money being bet on Micheal Foster.0 -
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.
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Welcome, Mr VilenessDefamatory_Vileness said:Who wants to be the captain of the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg? Labour need a mainstream leader to re-seize the centre ground to have any chance of emerging as the largest party in 2020 (2025?). Owen Smith is not that person - though I shall be happy to win a few quid on his spectacular failure to resurrect the dinosaur movement ...
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The falling exchange rate will be very helpful. But spending will go up and the tax take will go down.DavidL said:
Let's wait and see on that. My guess is that the deficit will continue to fall but that they won't bend themselves out of shape to reach balance by a particular date. Of course if 1% of what remainers said was true it would be out of their hands anyway but it wasn't and it isn't.SouthamObserver said:
This is a Labour party electorate.DavidL said:
To be honest until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of him and what I have heard since sounded deeply uninspired. Print another £200bn and spend it on infrastructure. Yeah, that would, well, be a bit of a disaster really.John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
Doesn't mean he is not better than Corbyn though. ABC, it is that simple.
Of course, the government has already dropped its entire fiscal and economic policy and will be spending a shedload of money than had been planned. We're all Corbynites now ;-)
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Yeah, pretty stupid to say they won't release Angela's noms and then release Smith's at this stage. Presumably the Blairites will all nom Smith now.Artist said:
Not much support from the Blairite wing.Tissue_Price said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/leadershipcandidates/owen-smith#nominationsMikeL said:How many nominations has Smith got?
Can't see it stated anywhere on here.0 -
One of the best expressions I heard whilst in the oil patch was someone in Texas claiming George W. Bush was so dumb "he couldn't pour piss out a boot if the instructions were written under the heel..."Speedy said:
Well so far what we know about Smith, is that the only contest he can enter with a chance to win is a stupidity one with George W. Bush.SouthamObserver said:
Smith is an unknown. He will be selling himself to Labour members for the first time. There is an outside chance he may appeal to them enough to win their votes. I'd put it at 30% or so rather than less than I0%.Speedy said:So Corbyn is beating Smith by 20 points in a 2 way match, Eagle calls it quits even though she is beating Smith for second place.
Why are the betting markets not giving Corbyn 90+ % yet ?
That's a lot of money being bet on Micheal Foster.0 -
Bond villain?PlatoSaid said:
Welcome, Mr VilenessDefamatory_Vileness said:Who wants to be the captain of the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg? Labour need a mainstream leader to re-seize the centre ground to have any chance of emerging as the largest party in 2020 (2025?). Owen Smith is not that person - though I shall be happy to win a few quid on his spectacular failure to resurrect the dinosaur movement ...
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A bit of 2016 polling, I've noticed a spike for Trump favourables when he selected Pence as his VP on Gallup, a small one but enough to close the gap with Hillary at 4 points, a record low.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
When Gallup had the gap at 5 points it was when Trump got the nomination, the national polls gave him then a slight lead, so I expect Trump to move up in national polls to a tie or a small lead.0 -
Fun is it? Corbyn's achievement will, I think, be to reduce British politics to a choice between a contest between the Conservative Party and a newly emerged coalition of Centre parties, with the left being left to snipe from the unelectable sideslines. UKIP will also be there in the mix somewhere.Chris said:It's fun witnessing the feeble efforts of the reactionaries falling apart, and watching the inexorable forward march of the progressive project.
Do you remember "A Very British Coup"? The supposed Trots pulling the strings turned out to work for MI5 and had a similar goal of rendering a left wing party unelectable? Could Corbyn be in their pay?
Those hppy at such an outcome:
The Conservative Party
UKIP as they have a chance of winning large numbers of seats in former Labour heartlands.
The Lib Dems including our hero Nick Clegg who may fancy a comeback
Tony Blair as it is what he always dreamed of creating and may likewise fancy a comeback
Perhaps 20 or so current serving Labour MPs, no more
The SNP because Scots will finally vote for secession to save themselves
Every myriad left wing fringe party there is, because having started with nothing they'll not lose by ending up with next to nothing, and debating from the sidelines is all they care about.
Corbyn, because he's to stupid to understand his true achievement.0 -
Given that even Labour centrists now consider it an insult, it's hard to believe that there ever were Blairites. Amazing that Tone ever got on a constituency candidate list let alone become the most electorally successful pm Labour ever had.Wulfrun_Phil said:
"Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite."John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
For you, anyone to the right of the Revolutionary Socialist League is a "Blairite".
'We were only obeying orders'.0 -
Nice to see Boris reaping a little of what he has sowed today0
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Sky were reporting an hour or so ago that Smith denied he was a *lobbyist* but in fact an *executive*.John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
On £80k? I really don't see how hair splitting between a Big Pharma boss and a Big Pharma lobbyist really helps here.
He's smoother on the TV by virtue of his radio producer BBC credentials. I've seen no particular reason to elevate him above Corbyn myself - he's very good with a megaphone.0 -
The Texans are world masters at turning a phrase ...MarqueeMark said:
One of the best expressions I heard whilst in the oil patch was someone in Texas claiming George W. Bush was so dumb "he couldn't pour piss out a boot if the instructions were written under the heel..."Speedy said:
Well so far what we know about Smith, is that the only contest he can enter with a chance to win is a stupidity one with George W. Bush.SouthamObserver said:
Smith is an unknown. He will be selling himself to Labour members for the first time. There is an outside chance he may appeal to them enough to win their votes. I'd put it at 30% or so rather than less than I0%.Speedy said:So Corbyn is beating Smith by 20 points in a 2 way match, Eagle calls it quits even though she is beating Smith for second place.
Why are the betting markets not giving Corbyn 90+ % yet ?
That's a lot of money being bet on Micheal Foster.0 -
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.0 -
Sounds like he is on an intellectual level with David LammyChameleon said:
What a nitwit.MP_SE said:Smith appears to be quite dim:
https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/status/7551549665458503690 -
How many months will this dreary election drag on for?0
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No need to apologise. I'm sure they've done their research. It's just a bit depressing for me to see overpriced useless shops replace useful ones. Gentrification usually means that in order to buy a nail you have to drive miles but within walking distance there are 35 estate agents and 42 coffee shops, none of which make a decent coffee.IanB2 said:
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.
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Aren't you a LibDem? The Pale Male Party?Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
My hands are clean. I voted for Angela to be Deputy Leader and have been probably her only champion on here - and it was nothing to do with her tick boxes.0 -
Owen Smith. Yes!0
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Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.0 -
Well Blair was a supporter of the 1983 Labour manifesto, he had too given that he wanted to be selected for Sedgefield and Foot was leader at the time.Theuniondivvie said:
Given that even Labour centrists now consider it an insult, it's hard to believe that there ever were Blairites. Amazing that Tone ever got on a constituency candidate list let alone become the most electorally successful pm Labour ever had.Wulfrun_Phil said:
"Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite."John_M said:
That's the one. At least now it's just head to head. So, ex-BBC, ex-SPAD, ex-PR hack versus the immortal God King of the Labour Left. Looks like a Blairite, smells like a Blairite, says he's not a Blairite. Hmm.DavidL said:
We've not had it yet, but yes.John_M said:
Corbyn just flat out won in the first round didn't he?TheScreamingEagles said:Shock as man beats woman in Labour party leadership contest.
But doesn't Angela Eagle understand how AV works, both she and Owen Smith could have both stood.
It's not FPTP
Oh you mean the last time when the so called clever ones were spending all of their energy trying to position themselves for second preferences?
For you, anyone to the right of the Revolutionary Socialist League is a "Blairite".
'We were only obeying orders'.
But since deselection is difficult, as soon as he got elected he moved his own way, probably under the influence of his father who was a conservative.0 -
You're not confusing "A Very British Coup" with Alan Bleasdale's GBH, are you?Wulfrun_Phil said:
Do you remember "A Very British Coup"? The supposed Trots pulling the strings turned out to work for MI5 and had a similar goal of rendering a left wing party unelectable?0 -
Well we can only hope that Brexit will see off at least half of the estate agents!Cyclefree said:
No need to apologise. I'm sure they've done their research. It's just a bit depressing for me to see overpriced useless shops replace useful ones. Gentrification usually means that in order to buy a nail you have to drive miles but within walking distance there are 35 estate agents and 42 coffee shops, none of which make a decent coffee.IanB2 said:
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.
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Hattie and Ma Beckett are head and shoulders above Corbyn, Smith and Eagles. Two leaders Labour should've had in preference to EdM and Jezza.Speedy said:
Compared with the alternatives he is presently the only thing that works, and that's why he's winning.Sunil_Prasannan said:The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that Jezza, for lack of a better word, is good. Jezza is right, Jezza works. Jezza clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the
(R)evolutionary spirit. Jezza, in all of his forms; Jezza for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And Jezza, you mark my words, will not only save the Labour Party, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the UK. Thank you very much.
Corbyn will probably win by a larger margin than the last time, though not much larger, probably low 60's.
I say this as someone who can't stand Harperson's feminism agenda. She was my MP back in the 80s and never failed to impress me with her total trooper attitude. She never shrinks from a fight, and despite Beckett making a complete arse of the RPA - she's another.
Why she donated a vote to Corbyn is beyond me.0 -
Owen Smith, on why we should vote Corbyn.Theuniondivvie said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/755454884665634816
But Owen, surely you never lost it!
Is it that he feels that Corbyn is going to win, and he's sucking up to him already with the hope he won't be kicked out of the party for running against him?
"Please Jeremy, I didn't mean it, honest, I think you're great and you helped me rediscover my radicalism"0 -
Let's hope so!IanB2 said:
Well we can only hope that Brexit will see off at least half of the estate agents!Cyclefree said:
No need to apologise. I'm sure they've done their research. It's just a bit depressing for me to see overpriced useless shops replace useful ones. Gentrification usually means that in order to buy a nail you have to drive miles but within walking distance there are 35 estate agents and 42 coffee shops, none of which make a decent coffee.IanB2 said:
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.
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Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?0 -
And this - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/france-fed-terror-bureaucracy/Indigo said:Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
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I switched off Sky - they're getting like CNBC or CNN for bias re Trump. And most of the adverts are the sonorous emotional blackmail actor appeals for starving Africans/Wateraid/RSPCA etcAndyJS said:BBC reporter Jon Sopel describes the Republican convention as a "horror show".
I spend more time muting the sound than listening to the reports.
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You can imagine the front page of the Sun if that scandal happened today.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?0 -
"Attacker Riaz A. was considered 'well integrated'"
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article157169513/Attentaeter-Riaz-A-galt-als-sehr-gut-integriert.html0 -
I enjoyed Kerry poking Boris after being nice about him "it's called diplomacy"John_M said:
I thought he handled it really well. Must be very hard to move from journalism straight into the cabinet.IanB2 said:Nice to see Boris reaping a little of what he has sowed today
Boris is a charmer - it's infectious. I find the sniping at him rather pathetic. I think he's the breath of fresh air/PR gem the FO needs.0 -
Well, we in the UK worked out some time ago why people called Paddy kept on shouting "Give Ireland back to the Irish" a killing everone. Not only that, but we worked out how to stop it.Indigo said:Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Perhaps our esteemed Boris could offer this information as part of the Brexit negotiations?0 -
What a brilliant promotional film for the RIO Paralympics 2016 on Channel 4 just now. "Yes I can."0
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Whoever would have thought it?
https://twitter.com/andrewspoooner/status/7554006489806315560 -
I like Gove's tactics here - he's going for full engagement - no fiddling about. Contributing when he can and showing his value as a principled thinker.John_M said:The Govester strikes back
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/755448903093268480
I'm very disappointed that May reportedly acquiesced to other senior members that they didn't want him as a colleague. She should have told them to man up and get with the programme.0 -
Oh come on Plato, we've all done that.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?0 -
I suspect she doesn't want him as a colleague at the moment.PlatoSaid said:
I like Gove's tactics here - he's going for full engagement - no fiddling about. Contributing when he can and showing his value as a principled thinker.John_M said:The Govester strikes back
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/755448903093268480
I'm very disappointed that May reportedly acquiesced to other senior members that they didn't want him as a colleague. She should have told them to man up and get with the programme.0 -
He realises that a good 2/3 of the electorate he's currently seeking to win in either voted for Corbyn at the last election or essentially signed up to support Corbyn. And he doesn't need to worry about the other third because they'll vote for anybody but Corbyn.Speedy said:
Owen Smith, on why we should vote Corbyn.Theuniondivvie said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/755454884665634816
But Owen, surely you never lost it!
Is it that he feels that Corbyn is going to win, and he's sucking up to him already with the hope he won't be kicked out of the party for running against him?
"Please Jeremy, I didn't mean it, honest, I think you're great and you helped me rediscover my radicalism"
And he can't really hope to recruit £3 moderates because of the new rules.
If he can win this, its by telling them that they can have a "hard left" labour party without Corbyn. He needs to convince them that Corbyn's fall doesn't mean "Blairism" wins.
And he'll have plenty of other Labour MPs lining up to run the more aggressive lines against Corbyn, so he can keep his hands clean.0 -
The IRA had objectives that were subject to negotiation, and were very susceptible to infiltration. Neither apply to Salafism, unless we all adopt the Jim Jones solution and save 'em the bother.Chris said:
Well, we in the UK worked out some time ago why people called Paddy kept on shouting "Give Ireland back to the Irish" a killing everone. Not only that, but we worked out how to stop it.Indigo said:Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Perhaps our esteemed Boris could offer this information as part of the Brexit negotiations?0 -
Oh how I long for those Owen Smith supporters who want to rerun the EU ref to bar Corbyn from the ballot #democracy0
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On a previous thread, someone asked why Christians rarely call themselves Jesus Jesus - even in Spain or Mexico.Indigo said:Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Reminded me of the footballing Neville twins - their dad was called Neville Neville.0 -
Obama rip-off!stjohn said:What a brilliant promotional film for the RIO Paralympics 2016 on Channel 4 just now. "Yes I can."
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May I ask how much your Speccy subs are? I looked a while ago and it looked like a lot more than £100. I'm stopping my DT one that's about £76.Indigo said:Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.0 -
and the bankers?Cyclefree said:
Let's hope so!IanB2 said:
Well we can only hope that Brexit will see off at least half of the estate agents!Cyclefree said:
No need to apologise. I'm sure they've done their research. It's just a bit depressing for me to see overpriced useless shops replace useful ones. Gentrification usually means that in order to buy a nail you have to drive miles but within walking distance there are 35 estate agents and 42 coffee shops, none of which make a decent coffee.IanB2 said:
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
It is a chain. An overpriced chain for people with more money than sense.IanB2 said:
Gail's must be a chain, for I am sure I have seen it somewhere else.Cyclefree said:
I saw. Thank you. A small world.IanB2 said:
+1Cyclefree said:
Yeah, yeah: I don't doubt your sincerity. But it looks as if the woman was used to do what no-one else had the guts to do and then was discarded.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.
And this is the party which, its insufferable sense of moral superiority intact, has the gall to lecture the rest of us on equality.
It stinks.
Better for Corbyn to stay, be roundly defeated and from the ashes maybe decent Labour party members like you can create a left of centre party which actually acts on the liberal principles it claims to believe in and which the rest of us could even consider voting for.
Btw my earlier reply to you top of PT
I go to Italy for a fortnight and when I come back I find that a Gail's Artisan Bakery (for heaven's sake) has now opened in West Hampstead. The place is going to the dogs. I'd impose a Stupidity Tax on anyone daft enough to pay the sort of prices they charge.
Coming back to London from Italy was always rather grim (although not with today's weather), even when I lived in West Hampstead.0 -
Absolutely. He that is without sin cast etc.rcs1000 said:
Oh come on Plato, we've all done that.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?0 -
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BlimeyTheuniondivvie said:Wham! Pow! Zing!
https://twitter.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/755461728826187776
paging @Alanbrooke !0 -
Surely Mandy was the last chance of a sex scandal on a yacht - with a Russian.rcs1000 said:
Oh come on Plato, we've all done that.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?0 -
A mere taste of the misery he inflicted on millions of Brits these past 6 years.Theuniondivvie said:Wham! Pow! Zing!
https://twitter.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/7554617288261877760 -
The labour party. Women problem?0
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Lol, the three legged donkey is gone , we now have the two legged donkey standingTissue_Price said:
I presume this was always the strategy - Angela takes the initial flak and someone more electable - "normal," if you will - ends up being the challenger. Respect to her for carrying out a thankless role: you are right to highlight her bravery in particular given the poison within the party.SouthamObserver said:What a brave, principled, selfless woman Angela Eagle has proved herself to be. I actually feel a little bit emotional about it. Unlike some, she has put the Labour party first. She has gone up massively in my estimation.
No doubt, though, that Owen Smith is better placed to beat Corbyn. He has a tiny chance, but it does exist. If by some miracle it happens, Angela Eagle will earn the undying gratitude of millions of Labour voters.0 -
Yes and yes.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
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It's not quite true, although much less common in the current generation. The majority of girls in the Philippines over 40 are called Maria, and a pretty fair proportion of guys are called some variation of Joseph or Jesus. Its just that almost everyone here is known by a nickname so you would never know! One of my wife's aunt's has four daughters and a son, all the daughters are called Maria, and the son is called Joseph, so will frequently see names written as "Ma. Christina Dela Cruz".PlatoSaid said:
On a previous thread, someone asked why Christians rarely call themselves Jesus Jesus - even in Spain or Mexico.Indigo said:Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Reminded me of the footballing Neville twins - their dad was called Neville Neville.
There was a time not long ago that many priests would refuse to baptise a child if their first name didn't appear (with appropriate connotations) in the Bible. Consider the new vice-president of the Philippines, usually known as Leni Robredo, full name Maria Leonor Santo Tomas Gerona Robredo.0 -
The Labour party. One bearded man problem.Scrapheap_as_was said:The labour party. Women problem?
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Here's a link.stjohn said:What a brilliant promotional film for the RIO Paralympics 2016 on Channel 4 just now. "Yes I can."
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/were-the-superhumans/on-demand/64033-0010 -
Jess Phillips on Channel 4 News essentially admitting she wouldn't stay in Labour if Corbyn wins. Not much of a loss to them in fairness.0
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All joking aside, this whole hoo-haa just reinforced that a woman who faces deselection threw herself into the fray first, and a no-name bloke got to contend the leadership.Scrapheap_as_was said:The labour party. Women problem?
It sends all the wrong signals. The former shows really courage, the latter opportunism. I detest identity politics at every level - but it does seem to matter a lot in Labour circles. I assume May will be discounted as another token male like Thatcher.0 -
I've been doing my bit for years to see off crooked bankers. I don't expect I'll be out of a job any time soon.nunu said:
and the bankers?Cyclefree said:
Let's hope so!IanB2 said:
Well we can only hope that Brexit will see off at least half of the estate agents!Cyclefree said:
No need to apologise. I'm sure they've done their research. It's just a bit depressing for me to see overpriced useless shops replace useful ones. Gentrification usually means that in order to buy a nail you have to drive miles but within walking distance there are 35 estate agents and 42 coffee shops, none of which make a decent coffee.IanB2 said:
It seems somewhat rude to suggest that West Hampstead nowadays might not be such a bad target market. Sorry.Cyclefree said:
The City will have to adjust to whatever post-Brexit agreement is reached. But the banks are retrenching and resizing their businesses anyway for market reasons and I expect this to continue. A more focused financial services sector which does what it does well and does it honestly is much to be desired.0 -
Britain Elects:
On the team better able to manage the economy:
T. May & P. Hammond: 53%
J. Corbyn & J. McDonnell: 15%
(via ICM / 13 - 15 Jul)
This splits 45-23 in favour of Corbyn and McDonnell among Labour voters, and 93-2 in favour of May and Hammond among Tories.
(via ICM)0 -
Who are those 2%???MikeL said:Britain Elects:
On the team better able to manage the economy:
T. May & P. Hammond: 53%
J. Corbyn & J. McDonnell: 15%
(via ICM / 13 - 15 Jul)
This splits 45-23 in favour of Corbyn and McDonnell among Labour voters, and 93-2 in favour of May and Hammond among Tories.
(via ICM)0 -
And what a dull life he ledJohn_M said:
Absolutely. He that is without sin cast etc.rcs1000 said:
Oh come on Plato, we've all done that.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?
Outrage the neighbours is more my style.0 -
I've had my momentsPlatoSaid said:
And what a dull life he ledJohn_M said:
Absolutely. He that is without sin cast etc.rcs1000 said:
Oh come on Plato, we've all done that.PlatoSaid said:Speedy said:
I think the only woman who came close to being Labour leader was Barbara Castle.Tissue_Price said:
By which I mean Lisa Nandy [clutches betting slip].Tissue_Price said:
You should have chosen the woman you sexists.Freggles said:Is this when PB Tories stop saying "Angela is rubbish" and pivot seamlessly to "You should have chosen the woman you sexists"?
And she would have been, if she hadn't slept with a Tory millionaire in his yacht at the middle of a crucial industrial dispute.
What?
Outrage the neighbours is more my style.. Well, decade maybe. Ah, the 80s. If I could remember you, I'd probably miss you. 0 -
And in the end the IRA were beaten.John_M said:
The IRA had objectives that were subject to negotiation, and were very susceptible to infiltration. Neither apply to Salafism, unless we all adopt the Jim Jones solution and save 'em the bother.Chris said:
Well, we in the UK worked out some time ago why people called Paddy kept on shouting "Give Ireland back to the Irish" a killing everone. Not only that, but we worked out how to stop it.Indigo said:Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Perhaps our esteemed Boris could offer this information as part of the Brexit negotiations?
I suspect more could be done re infiltration but in the end we have to defeat Islamism, ideologically as much as on any battlefield. Indeed I would say that the former is more important than the latter.
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Cameron and Osborne.RobD said:
Who are those 2%???MikeL said:Britain Elects:
On the team better able to manage the economy:
T. May & P. Hammond: 53%
J. Corbyn & J. McDonnell: 15%
(via ICM / 13 - 15 Jul)
This splits 45-23 in favour of Corbyn and McDonnell among Labour voters, and 93-2 in favour of May and Hammond among Tories.
(via ICM)0 -
Ticked the wrong box on the form.RobD said:
Who are those 2%???MikeL said:Britain Elects:
On the team better able to manage the economy:
T. May & P. Hammond: 53%
J. Corbyn & J. McDonnell: 15%
(via ICM / 13 - 15 Jul)
This splits 45-23 in favour of Corbyn and McDonnell among Labour voters, and 93-2 in favour of May and Hammond among Tories.
(via ICM)0 -
Only a hundred Tory voters out there? Worrying......tlg86 said:
Cameron and Osborne.RobD said:
Who are those 2%???MikeL said:Britain Elects:
On the team better able to manage the economy:
T. May & P. Hammond: 53%
J. Corbyn & J. McDonnell: 15%
(via ICM / 13 - 15 Jul)
This splits 45-23 in favour of Corbyn and McDonnell among Labour voters, and 93-2 in favour of May and Hammond among Tories.
(via ICM) 0 -
I can 't see "Owen Who" being any match for Jezza! -1
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Owen.. lets spend 200 billion we haven't got Smith.... That's a runner for certain.. There are loads of numpties who will believe that rubbish.0
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If you want to see what Remainia would look like:
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The IRA were beaten because we could demonstrate that their objectives were ultimately achievable by political means and we made a real effort to deal with legitimate grievances about the administration of Northern Ireland in the meantime.Cyclefree said:
And in the end the IRA were beaten.John_M said:
The IRA had objectives that were subject to negotiation, and were very susceptible to infiltration. Neither apply to Salafism, unless we all adopt the Jim Jones solution and save 'em the bother.Chris said:
Well, we in the UK worked out some time ago why people called Paddy kept on shouting "Give Ireland back to the Irish" a killing everone. Not only that, but we worked out how to stop it.Indigo said:Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Perhaps our esteemed Boris could offer this information as part of the Brexit negotiations?
I suspect more could be done re infiltration but in the end we have to defeat Islamism, ideologically as much as on any battlefield. Indeed I would say that the former is more important than the latter.
Unless anyone is happy with taking steps towards the imposition of Islamic government in this country, the same can never be true of Islamism.0 -
It was surprisingly common in Portugal 40 years ago as well. My mother-in-law, and her sisters were all named Maria X de Andrade. With the X varying with the child. Obviously, they all go by X, and the 'Maria' is restricted to the passport.Indigo said:
It's not quite true, although much less common in the current generation. The majority of girls in the Philippines over 40 are called Maria, and a pretty fair proportion of guys are called some variation of Joseph or Jesus. Its just that almost everyone here is known by a nickname so you would never know! One of my wife's aunt's has four daughters and a son, all the daughters are called Maria, and the son is called Joseph, so will frequently see names written as "Ma. Christina Dela Cruz".PlatoSaid said:
On a previous thread, someone asked why Christians rarely call themselves Jesus Jesus - even in Spain or Mexico.Indigo said:Douglas Murray is channelling SeanT in the Speccie.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/french-mood-finally-snaps-marine-le-pen-will-waiting/
Across Europe whole schools of sociology professors will now be being deployed to come up with any explanation for why people called Mohammed keep on shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and killing everyone. With appropriate levels of funding they could well come up with the perfect way in which to miss the point by the middle of the 22nd century.
Reminded me of the footballing Neville twins - their dad was called Neville Neville.
There was a time not long ago that many priests would refuse to baptise a child if their first name didn't appear (with appropriate connotations) in the Bible. Consider the new vice-president of the Philippines, usually known as Leni Robredo, full name Maria Leonor Santo Tomas Gerona Robredo.0
