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It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
Mr. Rabbit, I largely agree, but the better part of a decade ago a claim by Mehdi Hasan on Any Questions (hosted in a mosque) got loud applause when he claimed Muslims in Britain were treated like Jews in Germany in the 1930s.
People are capable of having a victimhood fetish or persecution complex. I'm not saying that's the case in the US situation, just that you can't rely on people to be objective. Some will make a song and dance about anything. Some have a higher tolerance, are more resilient or are afraid to speak up.0 -
Where "Blighty" = "the rest of the world"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Cricket is by far the most popular sport in the Subcontinent, whereas Football is the most popular sport in Blighty ;PRobD said:
His Tebbit chip is on the fritz again...IanB2 said:
Congratulations, Sunil, I have been on this site for several years waiting for you to say something sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Tennis is a quick-fire sport, unlike boring Test Cricket, which is a game invented, played and watched by people with FAR too much time on their hands!IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
Test Cricket is almost as boring as Golf!
*dives for cover*
When I was at school an Indian classmate taught us how to play kabbadi
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I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
Well Republicans aren't exactly engaging well with minorities at this moment in time. Though even I admit British Conservatives are far more moderate than them, generally. It really depends whether someone is willing to listen to the perspectives of minorities in the US.RobD said:
I wonder, would a British Conservative living in America have more insight than a British Lefty living in Britain... *innocent face*The_Apocalypse said:
I don't view all Tories as scum. I have in my life noticed however, that on complex racial issues those who are right-wing are not likely to be sympathetic to the views of minorities.RobD said:
What gives the British Lefty a much better insight? Oh wait, how am I forgetting? They are morally superior to Tory scum.0 -
It's very often an easy excuse, as Sacha Baron Cohen noted.TheWhiteRabbit said:
So the people who suffer discrimination aren't a good judge of the discrimination they face?ThreeQuidder said:
Perceived by blacks, obviously.TheWhiteRabbit said:
A baffling conclusion.ThreeQuidder said:
I came to that conclusion by applying logic.The_Apocalypse said:
What?ThreeQuidder said:You're a short step away from actually saying that it's OK to discriminate against whites because in the past there was discrimination against blacks.
I don't know quite how you come to that conclusion, but then this is PB so I shouldn't be surprised. And I'm afraid the issue is that discrimination against Blacks is very much a present and not just a past issue.
The problem, insofar as there is still a problem, is that perceived discrimination against blacks far outstrips the reality.
Perceived by whom, exactly?
What a patronising attitude.0 -
Wasn't one of the black suspects pinned to the ground before being shot at point blank range?0
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saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
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... so now they're doing it deliberately?ThreeQuidder said:
It's very often an easy excuse, as Sacha Baron Cohen noted.TheWhiteRabbit said:
So the people who suffer discrimination aren't a good judge of the discrimination they face?ThreeQuidder said:
Perceived by blacks, obviously.TheWhiteRabbit said:
A baffling conclusion.ThreeQuidder said:
I came to that conclusion by applying logic.The_Apocalypse said:
What?ThreeQuidder said:You're a short step away from actually saying that it's OK to discriminate against whites because in the past there was discrimination against blacks.
I don't know quite how you come to that conclusion, but then this is PB so I shouldn't be surprised. And I'm afraid the issue is that discrimination against Blacks is very much a present and not just a past issue.
The problem, insofar as there is still a problem, is that perceived discrimination against blacks far outstrips the reality.
Perceived by whom, exactly?
What a patronising attitude.
Of course they're not perfect. But the answer is to address the racism, not accuse ordinary Americans of playing to the audience, when they have none.0 -
Like that poor Brazilian fellow on the tube a few years ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:Wasn't one of the black suspects pinned to the ground before being shot at point blank range?
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Let's briefly review the data. The US police killed 508 whites and 261 blacks in 2015. Proportionally, that's three times as many blacks as whites. That multiple also applies to incarceration rates for black males.The_Apocalypse said:
What?ThreeQuidder said:You're a short step away from actually saying that it's OK to discriminate against whites because in the past there was discrimination against blacks.
I don't know quite how you come to that conclusion, but then this is PB so I shouldn't be surprised. And I'm afraid the issue is that discrimination against Blacks is very much a present and not just a past issue.
In order to explain this, therefore, you might argue that police are more likely to encounter (say) young black men at the scene of a crime or in pursuit of a suspect. That is, in situations where violence or resistance is more likely. That's a reasonable hypothesis, absent video evidence (leaving aside criticism that the criminal justice system in the US is also skewed in favour of whites).
Unfortunately, we've been accumulating video evidence that shows at least a proportion of those deaths are due to, bluntly, trigger-happy officers.
I'm surprised to find that the US doesn't collate the outcomes of police shootings at national level. I can't find out how many deaths resulted in the prosecution and/or conviction of the officer(s) concerned. That's really unhelpful - it allows conspiracy theories to abound.
My field was security. Ultimately, that reduces to questions of trust, risk and consequences. If I interact with a UK police officer, I trust that I will be treated fairly. If my trust is misplaced, I might suffer injuries, but I'm unlikely to be shot or killed. We have decent data to show that most UK officers can be trusted - but not all.
In the US, the consequences of misplaced trust are potentially far higher. It is clear that the risks for blacks are higher than for whites. If sections of the US populace believe that their institutional trust has been misplaced, this will break the social contract between law enforcement and citizens. That is pernicious for both sides. We're starting to see this develop in front of our eyes and its incredibly ugly and dangerous.
It's nothing to do with racial superiority. There is clearly a problem that needs to be addressed. Here endeth the sermon.0 -
I, of course, apologise for the inference. No idiots on here, political or historicalMorris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, are you calling me a stubborn political idiot?
That's as offensive as when Nero threw Hasdrubal's severed head in Hannibal's general direction.
I think it was summed up awhile ago that the place is really political discussion, rather than political betting.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The core remains politics, what harm diversions in that case?
I've seen places where people only discuss politics. It's a dreadful hellscape.0 -
Mr. kle4, splendid. I knew you were a sensible chap.
Incidentally, there's a Witcher 3 GOTY edition rumoured to be out next month. So, if you haven't got the DLC [assuming you have the game] you may prefer to wait for that.0 -
Thanks for the reply John_M. I think the trouble is, is that many Black Americans feel in these cases of 'trigger-happy officers', race is a factor in these killings. Nonetheless, we can both agree that there is a clearly a problem which needs to be addressed.John_M said:
Let's briefly review the data. The US police killed 508 whites and 261 blacks in 2015. Proportionally, that's three times as many blacks as whites. That multiple also applies to incarceration rates for black males.The_Apocalypse said:
What?ThreeQuidder said:You're a short step away from actually saying that it's OK to discriminate against whites because in the past there was discrimination against blacks.
I don't know quite how you come to that conclusion, but then this is PB so I shouldn't be surprised. And I'm afraid the issue is that discrimination against Blacks is very much a present and not just a past issue.
In order to explain this, therefore, you might argue that police are more likely to encounter (say) young black men at the scene of a crime or in pursuit of a suspect. That is, in situations where violence or resistance is more likely. That's a reasonable hypothesis, absent video evidence (leaving aside criticism that the criminal justice system in the US is also skewed in favour of whites).
Unfortunately, we've been accumulating video evidence that shows at least a proportion of those deaths are due to, bluntly, trigger-happy officers.
I'm surprised to find that the US doesn't collate the outcomes of police shootings at national level. I can't find out how many deaths resulted in the prosecution and/or conviction of the officer(s) concerned. That's really unhelpful - it allows conspiracy theories to abound.
My field was security. Ultimately, that reduces to questions of trust, risk and consequences. If I interact with a UK police officer, I trust that I will be treated fairly. If my trust is misplaced, I might suffer injuries, but I'm unlikely to be shot or killed. We have decent data to show that most UK officers can be trusted - but not all.
In the US, the consequences of misplaced trust are potentially far higher. It is clear that the risks for blacks are higher than for whites. If sections of the US populace believe that their institutional trust has been misplaced, this will break the social contract between law enforcement and citizens. That is pernicious for both sides. We're starting to see this develop in front of our eyes and its incredibly ugly and dangerous.
It's nothing to do with racial superiority. There is clearly a problem that needs to be addressed. Here endeth the sermon.0 -
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
Where is the first rally going to be? Do I have to bring my own placard?RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
Can I suggest a chant? THUMBS UP, GOOD POST! Repeat until exhausted.0 -
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
HRobD said:
I wonder, would a British Conservative living in America have more insight than a British Lefty living in Britain... *innocent face*The_Apocalypse said:
I don't view all Tories as scum. I have in my life noticed however, that on complex racial issues those who are right-wing are not likely to be sympathetic to the views of minorities.RobD said:
What gives the British Lefty a much better insight? Oh wait, how am I forgetting? They are morally superior to Tory scum.
I lived out there and worked across all of the southern states for a number of years . It has been mentioned here already but I did notice
1) there are areas that are exclusively non white
2) Police officers do not enter these areas alone and nor do white Americans.
3) there are many black on black murders and appeared to far outweigh any other.
4) reasons for the murders are mainly gang but close run by drugs quite often both of these combined
5) There are many black police officers in fact in some areas it appears almost exclusive.
6) Media rarely report deaths anymore and if they do it's done in a few seconds. Often they don't.
Until we break this merry go round of distrust and fear from both sides then nothing will change and groups will collect if for nothing else for the perceived comfort and protection that they sense it provides. The completely bizarre thing is in regards to working and going about daily lives this seems not to be half the problem of residential areas.
That's just my own personal observations for what they are worth over 15 years up and down the Gulf coast. I am sure they can all be disproved but these were first hand impressions.
I am not engaging further on this subject as you simply get dragged into racial related arguments which end up as accusations.
That's is all.0 -
Apparently Brown favours the EEA/Lichtenstein gambit. So that's completely off the menu then. Thanks Gordon.0
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To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'0 -
*crowd goes wild*TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'0 -
Yeah, if you want to bore them to death. Surely you just say:TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
"A. V."
And then proceed to drop the mic and exit stage left.0 -
It's touching that several of those who were all for dispensing with experts in the recent EU unpleasantness have now discovered that they're experts in the black experience in the USA.
Hallelujah, as the black folks say.0 -
To be honest I'm impressed with just how many experts in international trade deals we've got on PB.Theuniondivvie said:It's touching that several of those who were all for dispensing with experts in the recent EU unpleasantness have now discovered that they're experts in the black experience in the USA.
Hallelujah, as the black folks say.0 -
In my day before fridges a larder was a cooled area for the storage of foodstuffs. According to my then butler Jeeves a pantry was a small preparation area, commonly with a sink and ability to boil a kettle etc ready for afternoon tea and cake delicacies to be taken on the terrace overlooking the croquet lawn.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
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Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
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I always thought PB was a dictatorship?TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
*wanders off looking for the PB naughty step*0 -
STV is AV on steroids!RobD said:
Yeah, if you want to bore them to death. Surely you just say:TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
"A. V."
And then proceed to drop the mic and exit stage left.0 -
Really posh people have both... a larder is a small room off the kitchen for storage of food that will be eaten in the near future / is partially eaten.RobD said:
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The pantry is for the medium term storage of dry goods, and is usually separate from the kitchen, next to the humidor, laundry, meat store and gun room.0 -
Oh god trump is making unhelpful comments again.0
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Surely it has to be down? Or are we seeing another 92?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
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I don't know what the answers are in the US. It is a hard hard road they have to go down, of course those responsible for today's outrage will feel a punishment far harsher than any that can be delivered in this country.Theuniondivvie said:It's touching that several of those who were all for dispensing with experts in the recent EU unpleasantness have now discovered that they're experts in the black experience in the USA.
Hallelujah, as the black folks say.
264 record low score for the Open on a lighter note, and Mickelson's 4 rounds would have won in any other year. Immense.0 -
Yup but......It also has to have the Socialist Worker Logo and all Tories are scum written on it. All placards seem to have this I seem to recollectsaddened said:
Where is the first rally going to be? Do I have to bring my own placard?RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
Can I suggest a chant? THUMBS UP, GOOD POST! Repeat until exhausted.0 -
tbh, I think we should dispense with tedious elections and just put @Cyclefree in charge. One woman, one vote. Simple.IanB2 said:
STV is AV on steroids!RobD said:
Yeah, if you want to bore them to death. Surely you just say:TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
"A. V."
And then proceed to drop the mic and exit stage left.0 -
Brazilian Lives Matter?runnymede said:
Like that poor Brazilian fellow on the tube a few years ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:Wasn't one of the black suspects pinned to the ground before being shot at point blank range?
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The question is - who does he hurt more ?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
??0 -
What has he said about AV this time?FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god trump is making unhelpful comments again.
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He yas said that we should have a second vote on it ;-)RobD said:
What has he said about AV this time?FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god trump is making unhelpful comments again.
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So Ed didn't have two kitchens, he had a pantry. On such things do elections turn.Moses_ said:
In my day before fridges a larder was a cooled area for the storage of foodstuffs. According to my then butler Jeeves a pantry was a small preparation area, commonly with a sink and ability to boil a kettle etc ready for afternoon tea and cake delicacies to be taken on the terrace overlooking the croquet lawn.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?0 -
Look who is talking.Theuniondivvie said:It's touching that several of those who were all for dispensing with experts in the recent EU unpleasantness have now discovered that they're experts in the black experience in the USA.
Hallelujah, as the black folks say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6BzBntT_w80 -
They used to show a lot of Indian/British Asian stuff on BBC2 and Channel 4 in the 80s and early 90s, from the classical music show Gharbar, to coverage of Kabbadi, to the epic Hindu mythology serial Mahabharat, but nothing like that on contemporary terrestrial TV.ThreeQuidder said:
Where "Blighty" = "the rest of the world"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Cricket is by far the most popular sport in the Subcontinent, whereas Football is the most popular sport in Blighty ;PRobD said:
His Tebbit chip is on the fritz again...IanB2 said:
Congratulations, Sunil, I have been on this site for several years waiting for you to say something sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Tennis is a quick-fire sport, unlike boring Test Cricket, which is a game invented, played and watched by people with FAR too much time on their hands!IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
Test Cricket is almost as boring as Golf!
*dives for cover*
When I was at school an Indian classmate taught us how to play kabbadi0 -
Cameron tried that in his farewell speech, but he accidentally said "W. H. U."RobD said:
Yeah, if you want to bore them to death. Surely you just say:TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
"A. V."
And then proceed to drop the mic and exit stage left.0 -
A friend of mine back in the 80s had his entire bedsit walls covered floor to ceiling with Marboro packets. That was weird.SeanT said:
The hotel I stayed at in Lugano, last week, had a "Himalayan Salt Mood Room".Charles said:
Really posh people have both... a larder is a small room off the kitchen for storage of food that will be eaten in the near future / is partially eaten.RobD said:
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The pantry is for the medium term storage of dry goods, and is usually separate from the kitchen, next to the humidor, laundry, meat store and gun room.
An entire room walled with pink glowing bricks of Tibetan salt, for relaxation.
Can anyone beat that?0 -
I remember kabbadi, kabbadi, kabbadi, kabbadi kaaaaaaa . Ch4 also used to show sumo as well.Sunil_Prasannan said:
They used to show a lot of Indian/British Asian stuff on BBC2 and Channel 4 in the 80s and early 90s, from the classical music show Gharbar, to coverage of Kabbadi, to the epic Hindu mythology serial Mahabharat, but nothing like that on contemporary terrestrial TV.ThreeQuidder said:
Where "Blighty" = "the rest of the world"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Cricket is by far the most popular sport in the Subcontinent, whereas Football is the most popular sport in Blighty ;PRobD said:
His Tebbit chip is on the fritz again...IanB2 said:
Congratulations, Sunil, I have been on this site for several years waiting for you to say something sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Tennis is a quick-fire sport, unlike boring Test Cricket, which is a game invented, played and watched by people with FAR too much time on their hands!IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
Test Cricket is almost as boring as Golf!
*dives for cover*
When I was at school an Indian classmate taught us how to play kabbadi0 -
He wasn't even a smoker!PlatoSaid said:
A friend of mine back in the 80s had his entire bedsit walls covered floor to ceiling with Marboro packets. That was weird.SeanT said:
The hotel I stayed at in Lugano, last week, had a "Himalayan Salt Mood Room".Charles said:
Really posh people have both... a larder is a small room off the kitchen for storage of food that will be eaten in the near future / is partially eaten.RobD said:
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The pantry is for the medium term storage of dry goods, and is usually separate from the kitchen, next to the humidor, laundry, meat store and gun room.
An entire room walled with pink glowing bricks of Tibetan salt, for relaxation.
Can anyone beat that?0 -
That's just extravagant.SeanT said:
The hotel I stayed at in Lugano, last week, had a "Himalayan Salt Mood Room".Charles said:
Really posh people have both... a larder is a small room off the kitchen for storage of food that will be eaten in the near future / is partially eaten.RobD said:
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The pantry is for the medium term storage of dry goods, and is usually separate from the kitchen, next to the humidor, laundry, meat store and gun room.
An entire room walled with pink glowing bricks of Tibetan salt, for relaxation.
Can anyone beat that?
(Although I have indulged in a little luxury at home of having a room converted into a small library. My wife's idea, but I've decided to expropriate it)0 -
Baton Rouge - Breaking news
From CBS outlet in #BatonRouge - Witness says he doesn't believe law enforcement officers were "targeted." bit.ly/29EG43q
This has not been confirmed by police but there are reports that the officers were responding to calls that shots had already been fired: Reports indicate there was a shootout between two gangs and then law enforcement arrived on scene.
Latest reports indicate one officer in a critical condition at hospital, one in stable condition and three police officers have died.0 -
Since Deez Nuts gets 11% in the polls, I say up a bit.Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
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I don't either tbh except unacceptable-to-them gun control, it looks an almighty **** up getting more ****ed up by the day.Pulpstar said:
I don't know what the answers are in the US. It is a hard hard road they have to go down, of course those responsible for today's outrage will feel a punishment far harsher than any that can be delivered in this country.Theuniondivvie said:It's touching that several of those who were all for dispensing with experts in the recent EU unpleasantness have now discovered that they're experts in the black experience in the USA.
Hallelujah, as the black folks say.
Can't see a POTUS Trump not making it much, much worse.
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No they didn't. The "all lives matter" counter movement is an attempt to claim there isn't a systematic problem with the American police's interaction with Black people.FrancisUrquhart said:Facebook employees had the right idea with "all lives matter " slogan. The bosses rather disgracefully stopped them.
He slogan is Black Lives Mater not Only Black Lives Matter. It is drawing attention to the problem of he disproportionate level of unarmed black people who are shot and killed by police. It is not exclusionary or indeed racist - it is a focusing statement.0 -
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
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Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?0 -
People rarely know what's good for themSunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
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Dick's career mattersSunil_Prasannan said:
Brazilian Lives Matter?runnymede said:
Like that poor Brazilian fellow on the tube a few years ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:Wasn't one of the black suspects pinned to the ground before being shot at point blank range?
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A new take on stained glassSeanT said:
Reminds me of a story of my own, from when my friends and I were heroin addictsRobD said:
He wasn't even a smoker!PlatoSaid said:
A friend of mine back in the 80s had his entire bedsit walls covered floor to ceiling with Marboro packets. That was weird.SeanT said:
The hotel I stayed at in Lugano, last week, had a "Himalayan Salt Mood Room".Charles said:
Really posh people have both... a larder is a small room off the kitchen for storage of food that will be eaten in the near future / is partially eaten.RobD said:
LOL. Particularly relevant for the Betting Posts Matter campaign.kle4 said:
The most ler since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:kle4 said:
Brnterests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
The pantry is for the medium term storage of dry goods, and is usually separate from the kitchen, next to the humidor, laundry, meat store and gun room.
An entire room walled with pink glowing bricks of Tibetan salt, for relaxation.
Can anyone beat that?
One mate - in the depth of his addiction - was so sordidly neglectful he couldn't be bothered to get out of bed to pee, he preferred to lie in bed, happy in his opiated stupor. So he would just pee in empty Evian bottles and then stack them on the window sill.
A week later he woke up and felt his face bathed in a golden and miraculous light, and he thought it was God telling him to quit the drugs, and his heart filled with rediscovered joy. Then he realised the beams of radiance were the morning sun shining through his own rancid pee.
He still took it as a blessing, though.
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excellent postMoses_ said:
HRobD said:
I wonder, would a British Conservative living in America have more insight than a British Lefty living in Britain... *innocent face*The_Apocalypse said:
I don't view all Tories as scum. I have in my life noticed however, that on complex racial issues those who are right-wing are not likely to be sympathetic to the views of minorities.RobD said:
What gives the British Lefty a much better insight? Oh wait, how am I forgetting? They are morally superior to Tory scum.
I lived out there and worked across all of the southern states for a number of years . It has been mentioned here already but I did notice
1) there are areas that are exclusively non white
2) Police officers do not enter these areas alone and nor do white Americans.
3) there are many black on black murders and appeared to far outweigh any other.
4) reasons for the murders are mainly gang but close run by drugs quite often both of these combined
5) There are many black police officers in fact in some areas it appears almost exclusive.
6) Media rarely report deaths anymore and if they do it's done in a few seconds. Often they don't.
Until we break this merry go round of distrust and fear from both sides then nothing will change and groups will collect if for nothing else for the perceived comfort and protection that they sense it provides. The completely bizarre thing is in regards to working and going about daily lives this seems not to be half the problem of residential areas.
That's just my own personal observations for what they are worth over 15 years up and down the Gulf coast. I am sure they can all be disproved but these were first hand impressions.
I am not engaging further on this subject as you simply get dragged into racial related arguments which end up as accusations.
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I think if Gary Johnson gets to 15% and therefor in to the debates, it wont matter who he takes most from because he could win it!Pulpstar said:
The question is - who does he hurt more ?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
??
Yes I probably am living in my Libertarian dream world, but 6 mouths ago who thought he could get to 9.3% average? so please let me enjoy this moment.
P.S. I'm a betting novis, if I did want to place say £100 on him winning, what would be a good site to go to and haw much could I expect to win if he did become President?0 -
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You can adjust your decision based on the known result of the first round of balloting.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
In that respect it is more similar to the French presidential run-off.
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Because, you THICK TEDIOUS TORY TWAT, your MPs only get one vote per round. They CANNOT express a preference for more than one candidate in each round, as with AV.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
Got it?
Good!
(BTW I was only kidding about the TEDIOUS bit!)0 -
That's why I said quasi-AV.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You can adjust your decision based on the known result of the first round of balloting.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creatipenings ands what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
In that respect it is more similar to the French presidential run-off.
Plus the Tories are nothing like the French, I ask you to withdraw that horrible slur0 -
It's not called "quasi-AV", it's the Exhaustive Ballot:TheScreamingEagles said:
That's why I said quasi-AV.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You can adjust your decision based on the known result of the first round of balloting.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
ands what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
In that respect it is more similar to the French presidential run-off.
Plus the Tories are nothing like the French, I ask you to withdraw that horrible slur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustive_ballot
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Since they have multiple election rounds, it is similar.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's why I said quasi-AV.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You can adjust your decision based on the known result of the first round of balloting.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. The U.K. public rejected it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creatipenings ands what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
And, moreover, the Tories do NOT use anything like AV for leadership elections, but the EXHAUSTIVE BALLOT, with only one vote per voter cast per round.
There!
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
In that respect it is more similar to the French presidential run-off.
Plus the Tories are nothing like the French, I ask you to withdraw that horrible slur0 -
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These suggestions to ban posts that are not related to politics and or betting crop up from time to time but OGH has never picked up on them and I hope he never does. I am just coming up to my ninth anniversary of reading this site and whilst it is true to say that the ratio of betting posts has fallen dramatically (used to get lots of good horse tips on here), there have always been posts on other topics.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
PB is something like a friendly public bar with, often, three or four separate conversations going on at the same time and you can dip in and out of each as you wish. PB without its pedantry, trains, engineering, history (ancient and modern) and all the rest of stuff we talk about would be a very boring place.0 -
The problem is that BLM has turned into only BLM. It is now just a black supremacist movement with its own paramilitary wing, the New Black Panthers. It has become a terrorist organisation and should be treated as such.Alistair said:
No they didn't. The "all lives matter" counter movement is an attempt to claim there isn't a systematic problem with the American police's interaction with Black people.FrancisUrquhart said:Facebook employees had the right idea with "all lives matter " slogan. The bosses rather disgracefully stopped them.
He slogan is Black Lives Mater not Only Black Lives Matter. It is drawing attention to the problem of he disproportionate level of unarmed black people who are shot and killed by police. It is not exclusionary or indeed racist - it is a focusing statement.0 -
Thanks for the hearty laugh on an otherwise crappy day!SeanT said:
Reminds me of a story of my own, from when my friends and I were heroin addicts
One mate - in the depth of his addiction - was so sordidly neglectful he couldn't be bothered to get out of bed to pee, he preferred to lie in bed, happy in his opiated stupor. So he would just pee in empty Evian bottles and then stack them on the window sill.
A week later he woke up and felt his face bathed in a golden and miraculous light, and he thought it was God telling him to quit the drugs, and his heart filled with rediscovered joy. Then he realised the beams of radiance were the morning sun shining through his own rancid pee.
He still took it as a blessing, though.0 -
The people have an enduring thirst for STV and knew that the AV on offer was merely a pale imitation.kle4 said:
People rarely know what's good for themSunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'0 -
Migration fear level 450!!!!!! Stock up on your baked beans people!!!!SeanT said:Brexit in a single chart
https://twitter.com/paul1kirby/status/7547407938233303060 -
The best odds you'll get if you want to back him are on betfair - around 450/1 (0.2%)BigRich said:
I think if Gary Johnson gets to 15% and therefor in to the debates, it wont matter who he takes most from because he could win it!Pulpstar said:
The question is - who does he hurt more ?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
??
Yes I probably am living in my Libertarian dream world, but 6 mouths ago who thought he could get to 9.3% average? so please let me enjoy this moment.
P.S. I'm a betting novis, if I did want to place say £100 on him winning, what would be a good site to go to and haw much could I expect to win if he did become President?
The American-facing predictit is offering 25/1 (4%) to back, or 33/1 (3%) to lay.
If you place £100 back bet on betfair, you'll win £45,000, -5% commission.
Disclaimer - I have previously been laying @ these odds, so don't take this as a betting tip!0 -
Baton Rouge
2 suspects detained in West BR.0 -
Same hereIanB2 said:
The people have an enduring thirst for STV and knew that the AV on offer was merely a pale imitation.kle4 said:
People rarely know what's good for themSunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'
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Its all getting a bit UlsterPlatoSaid said:
What makes my blood run cold right now is that there's a deliberate intention to murder officers across the nation.malcolmg said:
Very true, nothing justifies anyone going out and shooting innocent police officers, anyone who thinks that is acceptable is warped in the extreme, no matter what grievance they nurture.PlatoSaid said:
BLM are a dangerous agit prop Black Poweresque movement that aren't helping anything. And pandering to them is even worse.The_Apocalypse said:
Is it my view you don't understand (or those who oppose BLM)? From what I can see, you are critical of the US police as well. BLM exists because in America all lives are not seeing as mattering, unfortunately. Thus, people say Black Lives Matter to reiterate what should be true: that in 2016 Black Lives do matter, just as much as anyone else does. It is a shame so many people in America do not believe that Black Lives do matter.John_M said:
I don't understand that view. BLM is a symptom, not a cause. Smartphones are showing US police in an extremely unpleasant light. It's no wonder there's so much anger.The_Apocalypse said:
I knew you'd blame BLM.PlatoSaid said:
Yup. Black Lives Matter and the political pandering to them isn't helping either.TwistedFireStopper said:The US looks to heading towards trouble.
Gunman is still at large, ten shots fired
When an organisation encourages through rhetoric/gets approval from politicians the planned murder of law officers - it deserves NOTHING but condemnation. You'd never defend white supremacists killing police offices - what's the difference?
Thinking your spouse may not come home each night is always a worry for law enforcement families, knowing that a small number of racists are seeking to shoot them is an entirely different kettle of fish.
God knows what's going to happen in Cleveland tomorrow with the Trump convention. IIRC it's a open carry state.0 -
How does one calculate 'migration fear'? I suspect epic amounts of Powerpoint bullshittery.SeanT said:Brexit in a single chart
https://twitter.com/paul1kirby/status/7547407938233303060 -
Pretty sure this guy really thinks All Lives Matter.
' Bro Rabbit
@BrurRabbit
Even White rabbits deserve their own briar patch. Stop #WhiteGeNOcide'
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Unless you were in a Himalayan Salt Mood Room on the night of June 23rd, every PB-er will have had their fill of betting, and in the right way.HurstLlama said:
These suggestions to ban posts that are not related to politics and or betting crop up from time to time but OGH has never picked up on them and I hope he never does. I am just coming up to my ninth anniversary of reading this site and whilst it is true to say that the ratio of betting posts has fallen dramatically (used to get lots of good horse tips on here), there have always been posts on other topics.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
PB is something like a friendly public bar with, often, three or four separate conversations going on at the same time and you can dip in and out of each as you wish. PB without its pedantry, trains, engineering, history (ancient and modern) and all the rest of stuff we talk about would be a very boring place.
As such I feel we can happily meander off betting topics for a while, given our satiety in that department since.0 -
No relationTheuniondivvie said:Pretty sure this guy really thinks All Lives Matter.
' Bro Rabbit
@BrurRabbit
Even White rabbits deserve their own briar patch. Stop #WhiteGeNOcide'
https://twitter.com/BrurRabbit/status/7547288456437432320 -
Meet the philosopher ducklings that engage in abstract thought:HurstLlama said:
These suggestions to ban posts that are not related to politics and or betting crop up from time to time but OGH has never picked up on them and I hope he never does. I am just coming up to my ninth anniversary of reading this site and whilst it is true to say that the ratio of betting posts has fallen dramatically (used to get lots of good horse tips on here), there have always been posts on other topics.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
PB is something like a friendly public bar with, often, three or four separate conversations going on at the same time and you can dip in and out of each as you wish. PB without its pedantry, trains, engineering, history (ancient and modern) and all the rest of stuff we talk about would be a very boring place.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2097527-meet-the-philosopher-ducklings-that-indulge-in-abstract-thought/
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Ok to lighten up a tad with an "on this day."
Disneyland, Walt Disney’s metropolis of nostalgia, fantasy, and futurism, opened on July 17, 1955. The $17 million theme park was built on 160 acres of former orange groves in Anaheim, California, and soon brought in staggering profits. Today, Disneyland hosts more than 14 million visitors a year, who spend close to $3 billion.
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Almost all people have almost no idea of what policy option is good for them and the implications of that policy. As was said too recently for its wisdom: democracy can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.kle4 said:
People rarely know what's good for themSunil_Prasannan said:
Except the Great British Public REJECTED crappy AV by referendum back in 2011, by a margin of 68% to 32%.TheScreamingEagles said:
To obtain approval from your fellow PBers, you just need to post the following sentencekle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
'AV is the greatest voting system known to man, hell even the Tories use a quasi AV system to elect their leader'0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
Under AV you can't change your nth preference votes midway through the count due to new evidence, backstabbing, the offer of a government post etc.
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That's the "quasi" bitSirBenjamin said:TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
Under AV you can't change your nth preference votes midway through the count due to new evidence, backstabbing, the offer of a government post etc. 0 -
Moderators !!!!!' OFF TOPIC ....IanB2 said:
Meet the philosopher ducklings that engage in abstract thought:HurstLlama said:
These suggestions to ban posts that are not related to politics and or betting crop up from time to time but OGH has never picked up on them and I hope he never does. I am just coming up to my ninth anniversary of reading this site and whilst it is true to say that the ratio of betting posts has fallen dramatically (used to get lots of good horse tips on here), there have always been posts on other topics.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
PB is something like a friendly public bar with, often, three or four separate conversations going on at the same time and you can dip in and out of each as you wish. PB without its pedantry, trains, engineering, history (ancient and modern) and all the rest of stuff we talk about would be a very boring place.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2097527-meet-the-philosopher-ducklings-that-indulge-in-abstract-thought/ 0 -
The woman on BBC News Channel has hugely off-putting staring eyes.
I'm sure it's not her fault but it is, er, hugely off-putting.0 -
Many thanks, at 450/1 I will do this!Pong said:
The best odds you'll get if you want to back him are on betfair - around 450/1 (0.2%)BigRich said:
I think if Gary Johnson gets to 15% and therefor in to the debates, it wont matter who he takes most from because he could win it!Pulpstar said:
The question is - who does he hurt more ?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
??
Yes I probably am living in my Libertarian dream world, but 6 mouths ago who thought he could get to 9.3% average? so please let me enjoy this moment.
P.S. I'm a betting novis, if I did want to place say £100 on him winning, what would be a good site to go to and haw much could I expect to win if he did become President?
The American-facing predictit is offering 25/1 (4%) to back, or 33/1 (3%) to lay.
But I don't quite understand how it could be 450/1 on one site and then 33/1 to lay on another site, what is stopping somebody backing on one site and laying on another, and then overall making money whatever the outcome? sorry if this is a stupid question.0 -
And, in an AV election a fair few people can't be bothered to (or don't realise they can) express further preferences (Argclu and Smith take note), whereas in an exhaustive ballot almost everyone votes in every round.RobD said:
That's the "quasi" bitSirBenjamin said:TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories have rounds of voting where the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated until there are two, and the winner is the one who gets over 50%. How is that not like AV?
Under AV you can't change your nth preference votes midway through the count due to new evidence, backstabbing, the offer of a government post etc.0 -
LolTheWhiteRabbit said:
No relationTheuniondivvie said:Pretty sure this guy really thinks All Lives Matter.
' Bro Rabbit
@BrurRabbit
Even White rabbits deserve their own briar patch. Stop #WhiteGeNOcide'
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Finally some sanity on the issue.John_M said:
Let's briefly review the data. The US police killed 508 whites and 261 blacks in 2015. Proportionally, that's three times as many blacks as whites. That multiple also applies to incarceration rates for black males.The_Apocalypse said:
What?ThreeQuidder said:You're a short step away from actually saying that it's OK to discriminate against whites because in the past there was discrimination against blacks.
I don't know quite how you come to that conclusion, but then this is PB so I shouldn't be surprised. And I'm afraid the issue is that discrimination against Blacks is very much a present and not just a past issue.
In order to explain this, therefore, you might argue that police are more likely to encounter (say) young black men at the scene of a crime or in pursuit of a suspect. That is, in situations where violence or resistance is more likely. That's a reasonable hypothesis, absent video evidence (leaving aside criticism that the criminal justice system in the US is also skewed in favour of whites).
Unfortunately, we've been accumulating video evidence that shows at least a proportion of those deaths are due to, bluntly, trigger-happy officers.
I'm surprised to find that the US doesn't collate the outcomes of police shootings at national level. I can't find out how many deaths resulted in the prosecution and/or conviction of the officer(s) concerned. That's really unhelpful - it allows conspiracy theories to abound.
My field was security. Ultimately, that reduces to questions of trust, risk and consequences. If I interact with a UK police officer, I trust that I will be treated fairly. If my trust is misplaced, I might suffer injuries, but I'm unlikely to be shot or killed. We have decent data to show that most UK officers can be trusted - but not all.
In the US, the consequences of misplaced trust are potentially far higher. It is clear that the risks for blacks are higher than for whites. If sections of the US populace believe that their institutional trust has been misplaced, this will break the social contract between law enforcement and citizens. That is pernicious for both sides. We're starting to see this develop in front of our eyes and its incredibly ugly and dangerous.
It's nothing to do with racial superiority. There is clearly a problem that needs to be addressed. Here endeth the sermon.
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Shooting innocent people is wrong0 -
Not a stupid question at all!BigRich said:
Many thanks, at 450/1 I will do this!Pong said:
The best odds you'll get if you want to back him are on betfair - around 450/1 (0.2%)BigRich said:
I think if Gary Johnson gets to 15% and therefor in to the debates, it wont matter who he takes most from because he could win it!Pulpstar said:
The question is - who does he hurt more ?Pong said:Nate Silver Verified account
@NateSilver538
Gary Johnson up to 9.3% in our national poll average, his high point of the year so far.
Betting Question;
From here, do Gary Johnson's polling numbers go;
A) up
B') down
??
Yes I probably am living in my Libertarian dream world, but 6 mouths ago who thought he could get to 9.3% average? so please let me enjoy this moment.
P.S. I'm a betting novis, if I did want to place say £100 on him winning, what would be a good site to go to and haw much could I expect to win if he did become President?
The American-facing predictit is offering 25/1 (4%) to back, or 33/1 (3%) to lay.
But I don't quite understand how it could be 450/1 on one site and then 33/1 to lay on another site, what is stopping somebody backing on one site and laying on another, and then overall making money whatever the outcome? sorry if this is a stupid question.
Predictit only accepts US customers, Betfair explicitly rejects US customers.0 -
One thing that really struck me during my trip to the north west this weekend was how every single service person we saw (waiters, front desk at hotels, train ticket office clerks) day a local.SeanT said:Brexit in a single chart
https://twitter.com/paul1kirby/status/754740793823330306
Well, there was one cabbie who was of subcontinental origin, but even he had a Manc accent that showed he was at least educated locally.
The contrast with London was marked.
And this is Britain's second city.0 -
The LSWR used to have pantry cars. First class passengers pressed a bell push in their compartment to summon their afternoon comestibles.Moses_ said:
In my day before fridges a larder was a cooled area for the storage of foodstuffs. According to my then butler Jeeves a pantry was a small preparation area, commonly with a sink and ability to boil a kettle etc ready for afternoon tea and cake delicacies to be taken on the terrace overlooking the croquet lawn.kle4 said:
The most liked comment I ever had was on whether there was a difference between 'Larder' or 'Pantry', and which one posh people use (Larder, I believe). I've struggled in vain for approval and relevance ever since.RobD said:
I'm going to create Good Posts Matter, to petition for the reinstatement of the like button. I think particularly liked comments did actually change colour!saddened said:
It's been like this since day one. You need to set up an organization something along the lines of Betting Posts Matter, BPM, that way we can elevate posts of a betting nature into a different font colour to highlight the blatant discrimination against them.IanB2 said:
Fair point - if there's betting possibility involved - just a week ago I won enough for a nice bottle of wine with my dinner from backing a horse racing tip someone had kindly put up on here.kle4 said:
Breaking up the clutter of political minutiae with sports or other inanities not only helps keep the political debate refreshed by offering moments of break, it helps keep things civil by creating a broader community identity rather than just yelling about politics at one another. It's easier to be less enraged by some stubborn political idiot if you permit them to also bring up their favourite fantasy novels, sports interests, business happenings and what they think about Hannibal Barca.IanB2 said:Why do some PB'ers think we want all this sports commentary? The title of the site is clear enough. Watching cricket is the only thing I can think of that is worse than watching tennis.
But comments that are neither POLITICAL nor BETTING surely belong somewhere else?
Most civilized. Don't know what they did in Stagecoach days - Jack W might remember?0 -
We have one of those its called my study. Beware though; those shelves get full, then you put up more bookshelves in other rooms, even the downstairs loo, until eventually it is only the family bathroom that does not have books in it. However, still more books arrive and eventually Herself gets the hump. First it is a one in one out - for each new book you buy you have to get rid of one - but of course you circumvent this (smuggling in your latest prized acquisition). You cannot get away with that forever, of course, and then comes the big edict - get rid of books. Its awful, aside from my collection of first edition Flashman, just about my entire collection of fiction had to go. Some of those books were friends.Charles said:
(Although I have indulged in a little luxury at home of having a room converted into a small library. My wife's idea, but I've decided to expropriate it)
Having a small library is a great idea, but you have to be careful.0 -
Bloody ignorant racists. Cant even spell their derogatory insults properly. Everyone knows that there isn't a c in P***Theuniondivvie said:Pretty sure this guy really thinks All Lives Matter.
' Bro Rabbit
@BrurRabbit
Even White rabbits deserve their own briar patch. Stop #WhiteGeNOcide'
https://twitter.com/BrurRabbit/status/7547288456437432320 -
Breaking news
BREAKING NEWS: Olympic hero cyclist Chris Boardman's mother is knocked off her bike and killed by driver
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694571/Olympic-hero-cyclist-Chris-Boardman-s-mother-knocked-bike-killed-driver.html#ixzz4Egzu3Mc9
Tragic !!0
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