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RobD · July 2016

First, like May!

MarqueeMark · July 2016

Probably nowhere, like Osborne.....

MP_SE · July 2016

Third like Labour.

GIN1138 · July 2016

Back of the (Job) queue for Boy George!

John_M · July 2016

Fourteenth like the Lib Dems.

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

FPT - for my friend Brookie

You'll miss him.

Once I've recovered, I shall write a weekend thread just for, it is headlined

'After telling you to lay Osborne as next Tory leader, I'm telling you to now BACK Osborne as next Tory leader, and here's why'

ydoethur · July 2016

FPT

PlatoSaid said:
Arthur S
The last Foreign Secretary to be promoted from the backbenches was Sir John Simon in November 1931.

He was a party leader (Liberal National) and ex-Attorney General and Home Secretary. He was not a 'backbencher'.

More seriously, what was Eden before his appointment?

And well down the list like UKIP.

Scott_P · July 2016

William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.

Cheers everyone

RobD · July 2016

Charles said:

RobD said:

oxfordsimon said:
Expect a big kerfuffle about a new hereditary peerage in the Resignation Honours...
Blimey!
Would have to be a speaker or a ex PM by recent precedent

Cameron or Bercow or Blair...?

(suspect that Gorbals Mick and Gordon Brown wouldn't be interested, and Callaghan is past caring, while it doesn't strike me as Major's style).

David Cameron, Earl of Whitney?

I would have though it could only be Major? Maybe he enjoyed his time in the campaign, and wants to get back into the politics game?

RobD · July 2016

John_M said:
Fourteenth like the Lib Dems.

Expectations management!

ydoethur · July 2016

@TSE

Was that story about a hosepipe and a melon a rather odd euphemism, a very strange game, a dare or just something I don't want to know about?

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

FPT - For ydoethur

Before Eden became Foreign Secretary, he was Secretary of State for War

Scott_P · July 2016

After telling you to lay Osborne as next Tory leader, I'm telling you to now BACK Osborne as next Tory leader, and here's why'

Most likely to lead the coup against May...

Pulpstar · July 2016

Scott_P said:
William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.

Cheers everyone

Kerching wednesday

GIN1138 · July 2016

Scott_P said:
William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.

Cheers everyone

Osborne didn't "quit" he was sacked!

Scott_P · July 2016

GIN1138 said:
Osborne didn't "quit" he was sacked!

Still paid out

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

ydoethur said:
@TSE

Was that story about a hosepipe and a melon a rather odd euphemism, a very strange game, a dare or just something I don't want to know about?

It's before the lagershed,

John_M · July 2016

ydoethur said:
@TSE

Was that story about a hosepipe and a melon a rather odd euphemism, a very strange game, a dare or just something I don't want to know about?

You don't want to know. Move right along sir, nothing to see here.

SquareRoot · July 2016

GIN1138 said:
Back of the (Job) queue for Boy George!

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Scott_P · July 2016

@SimonNRicketts: Andrea Leadsom and Michael Gove currently turning their phones on and off and saying “You got a signal? I have three bars."

ydoethur · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
FPT - For ydoethur

Before Eden became Foreign Secretary, he was Secretary of State for War

That was his second spell (of three). But I've checked and he was Lord Privy Seal before 1935.

TCPoliticalBetting · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
FPT - for my friend Brookie
You'll miss him.
Once I've recovered, I shall write a weekend thread just for, it is headlined
'After telling you to lay Osborne as next Tory leader, I'm telling you to now BACK Osborne as next Tory leader, and here's why'

Poor old TSE it seems that you are in a state of shock. You may need to go into a dark room with a wet towel.
REMAIN lose
Cameron gone
and now your idol Osborne completely fu**ed.
oh and your "mate" Andrew Cooper's firm produces one of the worst voting forecasts we have ever seen!!!!!!!!!

As taffys FPT said:
I am musing on Osborne's pre-referendum question...
Are you going to campaign for LEAVE or would you like a career?
HMMMN

Pulpstar · July 2016

SquareRoot said:

GIN1138 said:
Back of the (Job) queue for Boy George!
Revenge is a dish best served cold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXGPZaTKik

kle4 · July 2016

hunchman said:

John_M said:
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/753309213024190464

Yes, because we all love referendums. Waiting for Angela to promise two.
Wow some honest politics disregarding the will of the people!

I think asking the people again would be doomed to failure for Remainers, and I see no point in asking for a referendum on a Brexit deal (which despite idiots conflating the two - a rerun and a vote on a Brexit deal - are not the same), but if the people did vote differently in a second one it would not be disregarding the will of the people, since the people's will would have just have been demonstrated to be different. Now, I don't think it would be, and if it was different nothing would prevent someone else promising to go for yet another referendum to go for Leave again, and it's very very hard to justify why we should be asked again, but if one happened because a Labour party promising another vote won a GE (and he could only promise one if he did indeed win a GE), what it would not be is disregarding the will of the people - because the will would have obviously changed dramatically.

Another reason May will be urged to declare article 50 before any new GE, to avoid just such a risk, but it's not a big risk in any case.

GarethoftheVale2 · July 2016

As May has created 2 new SoS, I'm wondering if she might cut some departments elsewhere.

International development subsumed into FCO?
BIS split up with skills going back to education?
if she's very brave merging the Scotland, Wales and NI offices.

peter_from_putney · July 2016

Scott_P said:
William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.

Cheers everyone

Not before time ...... my biggest wins of the year.

Btw Speaking about Hills coughing up, do we know yet who won the PB.com EU Referendum competition almost three weeks ago?

ydoethur · July 2016

I've been thinking hard and I can't come up with anyone who went straight from backbenches to the Foreign Office (excluding opposition spokesmen joining the government) since Canning in 1822. And he was in disgrace after a duel with Castlereagh, and had previously been in Cabinet.

I'm wondering if Boris is unprecedented among MPs (there have I think been some Lords) in having Foreign Secretary as his first cabinet post. Derby's 1852 ministry? Not sure who was FS or even if there was one.

Edit - Malmesbury who was a peer.

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

Brom · July 2016

If Owen Smith campaigns on the promise of a 2nd referendum I can definitely envisage Corbyn winning and the good Labour leavers of Pontypridd deselecting him. A fitting end to his 2 minute political career.

Big_G_NorthWales · July 2016

GarethoftheVale2 said:
As May has created 2 new SoS, I'm wondering if she might cut some departments elsewhere.

International development subsumed into FCO?
BIS split up with skills going back to education?
if she's very brave merging the Scotland, Wales and NI offices.

International Development has been re- jigged with Liam Fox as secretary of state

PlatoSaid · July 2016

Iain
So Cabinet will be back to twice a week like under Mrs Thatcher - this is a hands on Prime Minister who wants to know what is going on

MarkHopkins · July 2016

ydoethur said:
I've been thinking hard and I can't come up with anyone who went straight from backbenches to the Foreign Office (excluding opposition spokesmen joining the government) since Canning in 1822. And he was in disgrace after a duel with Castlereagh, and had previously been in Cabinet.

I'm wondering if Boris is unprecedented among MPs (there have I think been some Lords) in having Foreign Secretary as his first cabinet post. Derby's 1852 ministry? Not sure who was FS or even if there was one.

Boris being Mayor of London was a significant role though, so not really a backbencher.

anotherDave · July 2016

GarethoftheVale2 said:
As May has created 2 new SoS, I'm wondering if she might cut some departments elsewhere.

International development subsumed into FCO?
BIS split up with skills going back to education?
if she's very brave merging the Scotland, Wales and NI offices.

International Development going back into the FCO sounds likely. I doubt the money will follow though.

Pulpstar · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

Please tell me you're not talking about Dave and George.

TCPoliticalBetting · July 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:
As May has created 2 new SoS, I'm wondering if she might cut some departments elsewhere.

International development subsumed into FCO?
BIS split up with skills going back to education?
if she's very brave merging the Scotland, Wales and NI offices.
International Development has been re- jigged with Liam Fox as secretary of state

Really?
I could see sense in also merging climate, environment, energy etc.
Also end all these extras attending cabinet.

Alanbrooke · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
FPT - for my friend Brookie

You'll miss him.

Once I've recovered, I shall write a weekend thread just for, it is headlined

'After telling you to lay Osborne as next Tory leader, I'm telling you to now BACK Osborne as next Tory leader, and here's why'

No really I wont.

I dont expect much in truth but at least were in with a chance as opposed to guaranteed shitkicking death under Osborne

on the other hand I feel a bit sad seeing Dave go, i was never vitriolic to him ( bar the Obama bit ) and feel he could have achieved much more if he only had his priorities right.

Mrs M gets the benefit of the doubt for the next 12 months and if she delivers on the important bits, I could almost vote Tory again*

* though Richard Nabavi will almost certainly put me off :-)

RobD · July 2016

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.
Please tell me you're not talking about Dave and George.

People were saying all the political advisors in No 10 had gone.

Pulpstar · July 2016

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.
Please tell me you're not talking about Dave and George.
People were saying all the political advisors in No 10 had gone.

Well thank god for that. No 10 can just look at this site if they want to know whats going to happen.

timmo · July 2016

Is the setting up of a minister of state to leave the EU the same as the 1976 appointment of The minister for drought?

Jobabob · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

My sympathies. Bring back Dave and Ozzy. All is forgiven.

anotherDave · July 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GarethoftheVale2 said:
As May has created 2 new SoS, I'm wondering if she might cut some departments elsewhere.

International development subsumed into FCO?
BIS split up with skills going back to education?
if she's very brave merging the Scotland, Wales and NI offices.
International Development has been re- jigged with Liam Fox as secretary of state

I thought he was international trade?

MontyHall · July 2016

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.
Please tell me you're not talking about Dave and George.

Local Oxfam closed?

Big_G_NorthWales · July 2016

John Mann making a good point that the new Brexiteer appointments to cabinet makes it very difficult for Corbyn to shadow the ministries

RobD · July 2016

Pulpstar said:

RobD said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.
Please tell me you're not talking about Dave and George.
People were saying all the political advisors in No 10 had gone.
Well thank god for that. No 10 can just look at this site if they want to know whats going to happen.

Well fair enough, but on a personal level it can be difficult!

SquareRoot · July 2016

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
FPT - for my friend Brookie

You'll miss him.

Once I've recovered, I shall write a weekend thread just for, it is headlined

'After telling you to lay Osborne as next Tory leader, I'm telling you to now BACK Osborne as next Tory leader, and here's why'
No really I wont.

I dont expect much in truth but at least were in with a chance as opposed to guaranteed shitkicking death under Osborne

on the other hand I feel a bit sad seeing Dave go, i was never vitriolic to him ( bar the Obama bit ) and feel he could have achieved much more if he only had his priorities right.

Mrs M gets the benefit of the doubt for the next 12 months and if she delivers on the important bits, I could almost vote Tory again*

* though Richard Nabavi will almost certainly put me off :-)

Now your pin up hate figures have gone, you will have to find new targets, meanwhile George will be plotting.. LOL

Alanbrooke · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

Eagles

tomorrow is another day, tough times for you I know but other side of the weekend life kicks off anew

best wishes

TCPoliticalBetting · July 2016

peter_from_putney said:

Scott_P said:
William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.
Cheers everyone
Not before time ...... my biggest wins of the year.
Btw Speaking about Hills coughing up, do we know yet who won the PB.com EU Referendum competition almost three weeks ago?

I also managed to get £400+ profit out of the Leadership bets but Leadsom's sudden departure still cost me extra profits.... just being greedy!

anotherDave · July 2016

Who were the original Cameron crew?
Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Maude, Boles. Who else?

oxfordsimon · July 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:
John Mann making a good point that the new Brexiteer appointments to cabinet makes it very difficult for Corbyn to shadow the ministries

We do have another Labour reshuffle to look forward to after tomorrow.

More popcorn needed

ydoethur · July 2016

timmo said:
Is the setting up of a minister of state to leave the EU the same as the 1976 appointment of The minister for drought?

Well, it's clearly very temporary - 2 years, indeed. So it makes sense to give it to a 67-year old for whom it can be the final act of a political career with nothing left to come for the person who does it. Fox or Boris would always be intriguing to get another job when it was finished and would not be suitable.

FF43 · July 2016

FPT: Expect a big kerfuffle about a hereditary peerage

Was there something about George Osborne being in line for an Irish peerage? Vague and probably faulty recall.

RobD · July 2016

FF43 said:
FPT: Expect a big kerfuffle about a hereditary peerage

Was there something about George Osborne being in line for an Irish peerage? Vague and probably faulty recall.

He's an heir to an Irish baronetcy, as tim used to love to remind us.

John_M · July 2016

anotherDave said:
Who were the original Cameron crew?
Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Maude, Boles. Who else?

I had the pleasure of seeing Maude in action. Excellent. Very underrated in my view.

hunchman · July 2016

FPT:

TCPoliticalBetting said:
» show previous quotes
I expect Mrs May has set out the level of involvement of Mr Werritty as being just a xmas card.
And neither should Poju Zabludowicz, although he conducts his affairs under the name Chaim Zabludowicz:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/oct/14/liam-fox-final-straw-was-money-trail

Pulpstar · July 2016

John Mann good value on twitter - Not a fan of either Corbyn or Smith I think.

RodCrosby · July 2016

ydoethur said:
I've been thinking hard and I can't come up with anyone who went straight from backbenches to the Foreign Office (excluding opposition spokesmen joining the government) since Canning in 1822. And he was in disgrace after a duel with Castlereagh, and had previously been in Cabinet.

I'm wondering if Boris is unprecedented among MPs (there have I think been some Lords) in having Foreign Secretary as his first cabinet post. Derby's 1852 ministry? Not sure who was FS or even if there was one.

Edit - Malmesbury who was a peer.

Lord Malmesbury.

Who? Who?

old_labour · July 2016

Am happy that Cameron, Clegg and Osborne are yesterday's men.

Jobabob · July 2016

Well I was pro May but unless she is being too clever by half this is one of the worst reshuffles I have ever seen. Three massive egos in a guillotined foreign office (Fox, Boris, and Double D) is a recipe for chaos. Boris will be okay on the gladhanding abroad, speaks French and Italian and the language of jiggy-jiggy, but that's about it.

rottenborough · July 2016

TCPoliticalBetting said:

peter_from_putney said:

Scott_P said:
William Hill have finally settled the next PM and Osborne quit markets.
Cheers everyone
Not before time ...... my biggest wins of the year.
Btw Speaking about Hills coughing up, do we know yet who won the PB.com EU Referendum competition almost three weeks ago?
I also managed to get £400+ profit out of the Leadership bets but Leadsom's sudden departure still cost me extra profits.... just being greedy!

Yes, it's been a winning week so far my end.

old_labour · July 2016

Jobabob said:
Well I was pro May but unless she is being too clever by half this is one of the worst reshuffles I have ever seen. Three massive egos in a guillotined foreign office (Fox, Boris, and Double D) is a recipe for chaos. Boris will be okay on the gladhanding abroad, speaks French and Italian and the language of jiggy-jiggy, but that's about it.

John Mann said she made sure the three trouble makers would be sent abroad for a lot of the time.

Jobabob · July 2016

Big_G_NorthWales said:
John Mann making a good point that the new Brexiteer appointments to cabinet makes it very difficult for Corbyn to shadow the ministries

That would be true anyway - there are only about 10 people left in the Shadow Cabinet!

Pulpstar · July 2016

May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme

DaveDave · July 2016

May's speech doesn't really inspire.

John_M · July 2016

Jobabob said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
John Mann making a good point that the new Brexiteer appointments to cabinet makes it very difficult for Corbyn to shadow the ministries
That would be true anyway - there are only about 10 people left in the Shadow Cabinet!

Give them all to Diane. She has broad shoulders.

DaveDave · July 2016

Hope she has some training

JackW · July 2016

Spare a thought for Gove .... ok, perhaps not ....

Boris is Foreign Secretary tonight whilst Brutus is left on the scaffold overnight waiting for May to pull the lever.

Heart of stone ....

brokenwheel · July 2016

John_M said:

Jobabob said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
John Mann making a good point that the new Brexiteer appointments to cabinet makes it very difficult for Corbyn to shadow the ministries
That would be true anyway - there are only about 10 people left in the Shadow Cabinet!
Give them all to Diane. She has broad shoulders.

He's already given it all to Diane.

ydoethur · July 2016

I am willing to forgive May everything so far - including BloJo (sic) - if she sacks Morgan and replaces her with absolutely anyone who is sane, intelligent and will hammer the useless berks at DfES and OFSTED.

That would make up for a lot, but I have a horrible feeling Morgan will survive even though she was appointed for gender tokenism reasons to start with.

anotherDave · July 2016

2011 Cabinet

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8675705.stm

Lansley was a big figure early on. Pickles and Hague too.

Jobabob · July 2016

Off topic, second referendum policy smart move by Owen Smith. I personally don't agree with idea but could be catnip to a very Europhile membership (Lab members 90% Remain) and is a trap for Corbyn (a eurosceptic). Clever.

ydoethur · July 2016

JackW said:
Spare a thought for Gove..

I'm quite happy to spare thoughts for Gove. Very much along the lines of @Alanbrooke's thoughts on Osborne, however...

rottenborough · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

Sorry to hear that. Brexit related?

anotherDave · July 2016

ydoethur said:

JackW said:
Spare a thought for Gove..
I'm quite happy to spare thoughts for Gove. Very much along the lines of @Alanbrooke's thoughts on Osborne, however...

He might keep his current job.

old_labour · July 2016

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oxfordsimon · July 2016

ydoethur said:
I am willing to forgive May everything so far - including BloJo (sic) - if she sacks Morgan and replaces her with absolutely anyone who is sane, intelligent and will hammer the useless berks at DfES and OFSTED.

That would make up for a lot, but I have a horrible feeling Morgan will survive even though she was appointed for gender tokenism reasons to start with.

I am hearing that Greening is heading to a new beefed-up Education department (that will take back control of universities etc from the now defunct BIS)

ydoethur · July 2016

anotherDave said:
2011 Cabinet

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8675705.stm

Lansley was a big figure early on. Pickles and Hague too.

Pickles continues to have a big figure

Jobabob · July 2016

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme

Yep. She may regret that. By the way Ozzy is actually said to be a nice guy and easy to get along with in "real life". His acolytes are loyal.

Alanbrooke · July 2016

ydoethur said:

JackW said:
Spare a thought for Gove..
I'm quite happy to spare thoughts for Gove. Very much along the lines of @Alanbrooke's thoughts on Osborne, however...

ding dong
the wicked george is dead :-)

anotherDave · July 2016

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme

I'm sure there'll be time between all that for coke and hookers and sunday newspaper exclusives.

old_labour · July 2016

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme

And the coup plotters in the Labour backbenches will squeam and squeam and squeam.

eek · July 2016

FF43 said:
FPT: Expect a big kerfuffle about a hereditary peerage

Was there something about George Osborne being in line for an Irish peerage? Vague and probably faulty recall.

As I said earlier. If you wanted to cause maximum mischief with Labour give it to Blair now...

ydoethur · July 2016

oxfordsimon said:

ydoethur said:
I am willing to forgive May everything so far - including BloJo (sic) - if she sacks Morgan and replaces her with absolutely anyone who is sane, intelligent and will hammer the useless berks at DfES and OFSTED.

That would make up for a lot, but I have a horrible feeling Morgan will survive even though she was appointed for gender tokenism reasons to start with.
I am hearing that Greening is heading to a new beefed-up Education department (that will take back control of universities etc from the now defunct BIS)

Yes! Yes! Please! I'll take it...

Alanbrooke · July 2016

Jobabob said:

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme
Yep. She may regret that. By the way Ozzy is actually said to be a nice guy and easy to get along with in "real life". His acolytes are loyal.

FUCK OFF AND JOIN THE TORIES JAB !

Paristonda · July 2016

Pulpstar said:
John Mann good value on twitter - Not a fan of either Corbyn or Smith I think.

Is he a fan of anyone? Seems like a very angry man from what i've seen of him so far.

OllyT · July 2016

anotherDave said:
Who were the original Cameron crew?
Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Maude, Boles. Who else?

Fine if you focus on the personalities, in terms of politics though May's speech tonight could have come straight from a Cameroonian moderniser, a Lib Dem or a Labour Blairite.

I also suspect Fox, Johnson & Davis are in the cabinet to ensure they can't dodge responsibility for the betrayal that is coming when we agree to continued freedom of movement and continued payment into the EU budget courtesy of EFTA/EEA.

anotherDave · July 2016

Jobabob said:

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme
Yep. She may regret that. By the way Ozzy is actually said to be a nice guy and easy to get along with in "real life". His acolytes are loyal.

His acolytes were loyal when he had the power of patronage. He's yesterday's man now. They'll be looking for a new patron.

TheScreamingEagles · July 2016

rottenborough said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.
Sorry to hear that. Brexit related?

Kinda, they all work in SW1A and nearby

anotherDave · July 2016

oxfordsimon said:

ydoethur said:
I am willing to forgive May everything so far - including BloJo (sic) - if she sacks Morgan and replaces her with absolutely anyone who is sane, intelligent and will hammer the useless berks at DfES and OFSTED.

That would make up for a lot, but I have a horrible feeling Morgan will survive even though she was appointed for gender tokenism reasons to start with.
I am hearing that Greening is heading to a new beefed-up Education department (that will take back control of universities etc from the now defunct BIS)

By force of arms?

rottenborough · July 2016

Blimey. That's a huge chunk of my adult life.

Giles Wilkes ‏@Gilesyb 1h1 hour ago
It has been 24 years since one of Gordon Brown or George Osborne has not been Chancellor or Shadow Chancellor.

RodCrosby · July 2016

DaveDave said:
May's speech doesn't really inspire.

She can't fake sincerity. And she just reads a (recycled) preachy, smug speech.

I can't see her doing well, in the sense of the voters 'taking' to her.

John_M · July 2016

Paristonda said:

Pulpstar said:
John Mann good value on twitter - Not a fan of either Corbyn or Smith I think.
Is he a fan of anyone? Seems like a very angry man from what i've seen of him so far.

He's proper blue collar old Labour. He's got every right to be angry.

HurstLlama · July 2016

Good heavens, just got back from t'meeting to find my wife laughing like a hyena. She had just seen that Boris Johnson, a man of no ministerial experience and with a known aversion to detail and hard work has been appointed Foreign Secretary. Not only that but David Davis, not a team player, has been appointed SoS for Brexit and Liam Fox, who made a complete pig's breakfast of it last time they let him loose in government, has been given international trade.

Leave aside the personalities we now have three separate departments which on the face of it have overlapping responsibilities and interests, to say nothing of the BIS. That is a recipe for one glorious Civil Service interdepartmental war. Now factor back in the personalities FCO head (no experience of government, lazy), Brexit head (not a team player, no government experience), International Trade (incompetent). This has the makings of a major clusterfuck. What has our new PM done?

Amber "clueless, spout my brief" Rudd at the Home Office pales by comparison.

Osborne has gone though, which I suppose we should be grateful for.

ydoethur · July 2016

rottenborough said:
Blimey. That's a huge chunk of my adult life.

Giles Wilkes ‏@Gilesyb 1h1 hour ago
It has been 24 years since one of Gordon Brown or George Osborne has not been Chancellor or Shadow Chancellor.

John Smith and Norman Lamont, summer 1992.

I was nine.

Alanbrooke · July 2016

rottenborough said:
Blimey. That's a huge chunk of my adult life.

Giles Wilkes ‏@Gilesyb 1h1 hour ago
It has been 24 years since one of Gordon Brown or George Osborne has not been Chancellor or Shadow Chancellor.

yes hugely sad

can we now have a CoE who worries about the economy and not patronage

old_labour · July 2016

Jobabob said:
Off topic, second referendum policy smart move by Owen Smith. I personally don't agree with idea but could be catnip to a very Europhile membership (Lab members 90% Remain) and is a trap for Corbyn (a eurosceptic). Clever.

Not if the choice is between Brexit Lite and 100% Out.

Scott_P · July 2016

@MiriamElder: State Dept spox almost loses it after hearing Boris Johnson named foreign secretary https://t.co/omPoCP6Vaa

oxfordsimon · July 2016

HurstLlama said:
Good heavens, just got back from t'meeting to find my wife laughing like a hyena. She had just seen that Boris Johnson, a man of no ministerial experience and with a known aversion to detail and hard work has been appointed Foreign Secretary. Not only that but David Davis, not a team player, has been appointed SoS for Brexit and Liam Fox, who made a complete pig's breakfast of it last time they let him loose in government, has been given international trade.

Leave aside the personalities we now have three separate departments which on the face of it have overlapping responsibilities and interests, to say nothing of the BIS. That is a recipe for one glorious Civil Service interdepartmental war. Now factor back in the personalities FCO head (no experience of government, lazy), Brexit head (not a team player, no government experience), International Trade (incompetent). This has the makings of a major clusterfuck. What has our new PM done?

Amber "clueless, spout my brief" Rudd at the Home Office pales by comparison.

Osborne has gone though, which I suppose we should be grateful for.

It seems that BIS is gone. Education takes back Universities and Skills and Fox taking on the Trade side of things in the new Department for International Trade

Pulpstar · July 2016

Paristonda said:

Pulpstar said:
John Mann good value on twitter - Not a fan of either Corbyn or Smith I think.
Is he a fan of anyone? Seems like a very angry man from what i've seen of him so far.

Fan of people who aren't muppets I think.

MarqueeMark · July 2016

TheScreamingEagles said:
Anyway, I have to leave you all, has been a very depressing day today, a lot of people I've gotten to know, like, and admire have lost their jobs today, and I'm in a right grumpy mood because of it and no amount of winnings compensates for that.

Ah, but those who live by the SPAD, die by the SPAD....

(....that probably hasn't made you feel any better, has it?)

Jobabob · July 2016

Alanbrooke said:

Jobabob said:

Pulpstar said:
May's got an enemy on the backbenches. He's quite unlikeable (And still young) but he will scheme and scheme and scheme
Yep. She may regret that. By the way Ozzy is actually said to be a nice guy and easy to get along with in "real life". His acolytes are loyal.
FUCK OFF AND JOIN THE TORIES JAB !

Which ale have you have several pints of Alan? I'm always keen on recommendations!