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Ahead of Tuesday’s NEC judgement, Keiran Pedley argues that the Labour leadership system is broken and leaders that lose a no confidence motion in parliament should be required to seek nominations from MPs to stand again.
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Hanging on by a new thread.0
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Second like Raonic0
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One good thing to come out of all this is that Labour may actually update their rule book to make it clear in the future!0
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Or is it that in today's political culture, you have to be untrustworthy and weak to be seen as vaguely sane?HYUFD said:
Yes but Heffer and Hitchens see anyone vaguely sane as untrustworthy and weakParistonda said:
Good lord, Theresa May is left wing? Hitchens needs to take a couple of deep breaths.HYUFD said:Hitchens also, like Heffer, no fan of May
'Look, I am resigned to the coronation of Mrs Theresa May as our next Prime Minister. In a cynical way, I am quite pleased by it, as she is so Left-wing that she may well achieve my main aim in life – the final and utter destruction of the Useless, Fraudulent Tory Party.
But spare me the suggestion that she is the new Margaret Thatcher. I’m not actually a Thatcherite, and disapprove of a lot of what the Iron Lady did.
But I did meet Mrs Thatcher, and talk to her, and watch her in action. And Mrs May is no Margaret Thatcher. She is in fact the new John Major.'
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
John Major gets a bad rap - he was running the tail end of an 18 year government with a large part of the party that no longer cared about staying in power. He lost to one of the best 'candidates' for PM we've had in a long time (I say candidate as on paper he was perfect regardless of the actual results!)0 -
That US graph on the last thread is a damning indictment of Greenspan and Bernanke.0
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After a dozen false starts in as many days, I'll believe a challenge is happening only after an MP actually submits the form with the appropriate number of signatures on it!0
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@andrewlomas: In an alternate universe, a tired Tony Blair pours himself a drink at Chequers, muses on 19 years as PM, & rues not invading Iraq in 2003.0
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Hitchens has probably concluded that his readership is broadly Tory and broadly pro-May. So, by giving this disclaimer about her early on, he's cleared the path for his favourite hobby later: telling his readership how stupid they are and that they should have listened to his prophecies.Luckyguy1983 said:
Or is it that in today's political culture, you have to be untrustworthy and weak to be seen as vaguely sane?HYUFD said:
Yes but Heffer and Hitchens see anyone vaguely sane as untrustworthy and weakParistonda said:
Good lord, Theresa May is left wing? Hitchens needs to take a couple of deep breaths.HYUFD said:Hitchens also, like Heffer, no fan of May
'Look, I am resigned to the coronation of Mrs Theresa May as our next Prime Minister. In a cynical way, I am quite pleased by it, as she is so Left-wing that she may well achieve my main aim in life – the final and utter destruction of the Useless, Fraudulent Tory Party.
But spare me the suggestion that she is the new Margaret Thatcher. I’m not actually a Thatcherite, and disapprove of a lot of what the Iron Lady did.
But I did meet Mrs Thatcher, and talk to her, and watch her in action. And Mrs May is no Margaret Thatcher. She is in fact the new John Major.'
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
John Major gets a bad rap - he was running the tail end of an 18 year government with a large part of the party that no longer cared about staying in power. He lost to one of the best 'candidates' for PM we've had in a long time (I say candidate as on paper he was perfect regardless of the actual results!)0 -
The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
A fair attempt at tackling a nuanced issue.0
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Although, it's not like they have been short of lawyers in Labour. These are the folk who like us to believe they would make the laws for 60-odd million people. Yet they can't even get their shit together to set the rules for how a few hundred MPs might have a piss up in a brewery.RobD said:One good thing to come out of all this is that Labour may actually update their rule book to make it clear in the future!
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Oh but he isn't. And never was. And never will be.TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.
I think, in his heart, he always knew this was a doomed adventure.0 -
From one of the investigations team at The Times
@billykenber: Leadsom was a minister from April 2014, earning a salary of £98,740. So unclear why employment income is only £77k0 -
Would cream trousers have solved it?TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
Yup, I'm a frequent wearer of cream suits with blue shirts.RobD said:
Would cream trousers have solved it?TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
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SPOTY betting - today's the day to lay Andy Murray, remembering it's an Olympics year. Was going to say the same about Lewis Hamilton but he's as long as 50/1, which looks like value.0 -
Pension contributions?TheScreamingEagles said:From one of the investigations team at The Times
@billykenber: Leadsom was a minister from April 2014, earning a salary of £98,740. So unclear why employment income is only £77k0 -
pension again? Didn't we go thru all this when Osborne and co did their forms?TheScreamingEagles said:From one of the investigations team at The Times
@billykenber: Leadsom was a minister from April 2014, earning a salary of £98,740. So unclear why employment income is only £77k0 -
His jacket is the least of his worries.TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
Congratulations to Andy Murray on a 2nd Wimbledon title and a 3rd Grand Slam. Watching today's match was actually a bit nerve-wracking at times, given Murray sometimes made life difficult for himself! I like Murray though, he's one of the nice guys in sport - comes across as very down to earth. I wouldn't mind at all if he won SPOTY again. I have to be honest and say I'm not the biggest fan of Lewis Hamilton. I've never really warmed to him.
The Daily Mail comments' section surely represents big 'C' Conservatives as opposed to small 'c' Conservatives. I think taking anecdotal data seriously in this case is a bit more difficult given we are dealing with party members, as opposed to the whole country (which is a far more diverse cross section of opinion to sample). While pollsters have been particularly disappointing in the last year as far as the GE and the EURef is concerned, it shouldn't be forgotten that it was less than a year ago that pollsters (particularly YouGov) got the last leadership contest right.0 -
Heather Watson wins the mixed doubles with partner Henri Kontinen.0
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Go heather!0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Uh oh. Remain are going to lose.
The In team have been highly anxious about the attitude of the Labour leadership to the referendum. They now say that they are very encouraged that the party has started to get its act together since the local elections. Labour figures with experience of organising campaigns, such as the deputy leader Tom Watson, have become fully engaged. One non-Labour strategist working for the In campaign recently spoke to me about the Labour effort in a tone of pleasant surprise: “They know how to organise a ground campaign.”
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Great day for Independent GB Brits in Grand Prix and Wimbledon0
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If that's the case then there is going to be an absolute shitstorm in the Labour constituencies. The lefties will not take the disenfranchisement of their leader quietly. There will be some internal warfare if Corbyn stays but to not even allow him to stand will be the nuclear option.
Labour would be the "Divine WInd" of Bristish politics and as such pay a very heavy price.0 -
Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.0 -
Congratulations, Heather!0
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Yes but not likely before she has had a period as PMBarnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.0 -
Yup, if a Tory leader loses a vote of no confidence they are automatically barred from standing in the subsequent leadership contest.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
We know how to organise coups0 -
Yes. A Conservative leader losing a vote of confidence - by a simple majority of MPs - is not allowed to stand in the election for his or her successor.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.0 -
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Little wonder the country has gone to the dogs !! ..TheScreamingEagles said:Yup, I'm a frequent wearer of cream suits with blue shirts.
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I believe any candidate should receive the required number of MPs, but as the rule currently stands, Corbyn is an automatic candidate.0
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Possible there are draft letters ready to go in on Sep 10thTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, if a Tory leader loses a vote of no confidence they are automatically barred from standing in the subsequent leadership contest.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
We know how to organise coups
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Isn't fully leaded petrol bad for you? *innocent face*ToryJim said:David Coburn is an utter tool
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Cheers. I think he looks a bit dapper in the photo above the line.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I'm a frequent wearer of cream suits with blue shirts.RobD said:
Would cream trousers have solved it?TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
Yes and bannedRobD said:
Isn't fully leaded petrol bad for you? *innocent face*ToryJim said:David Coburn is an utter tool
https://twitter.com/davidcoburnukip/status/7521854340804444160 -
As you know I have the highest fashion standards, perhaps I'm being unfair to CorbynRobD said:
Cheers. I think he looks a bit dapper in the photo above the line.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I'm a frequent wearer of cream suits with blue shirts.RobD said:
Would cream trousers have solved it?TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
To my mind this is where she is in a very weak position because she would have to form a cabinet from a party, two thirds of which do not want her at this time.Sandpit said:
Yes. A Conservative leader losing a vote of confidence - by a simple majority of MPs - is not allowed to stand in the election for his or her successor.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
I really have to trust the membership to vote for unity and the country which as of now can only come from Theresa May0 -
FPT:
It is worth noting this trend is global. The last two decades being pretty horrible for most people in terms of disposable income almost everywhere in the developed world: the USA, Sweden, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, and Japan have all had stangnant median incomes for an extended period.nunu said:
Gee I wonder why Trump is doing so well, as well Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Ooh. Thanks for that. That's very interesting.Andy_Cooke said:
And it's something that politicians could and should have done something about - and could have done so if they'd just grasped the nettle on housing:nunu said:
I think that is right, because for most swing voters there has been no recovery, and many Leave voters have nothing to lose.MontyHall said:Also on the BBC Politics show today was a section, presented by a young woman from the remain campaign, analysing where it all went wrong for them.
Apparently, believing that parroting "It's the economy stupid" would resonate was one of their major misjudgements
This is real median income in the US over the last 20-odd years. Basically, the average person in the US is about 10% worse off than 17 years ago!
Why did the Democrats pick Hilary over Bernie, all the polls show he easily beats Trump.
America wants change!
(Maybe).
The three developed countries have totally avoided this trap are: Canada, Australia, and Norway.
What did they do that was different? They were commodity exporters during a commodity bull market. No more, no less.
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Apologies if that has been posted already0
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Pension contributions, childcare etc.TheScreamingEagles said:From one of the investigations team at The Times
@billykenber: Leadsom was a minister from April 2014, earning a salary of £98,740. So unclear why employment income is only £77k
Taxable income is less than gross income.0 -
Don't Ministers have BIK income ?rottenborough said:
pension again? Didn't we go thru all this when Osborne and co did their forms?TheScreamingEagles said:From one of the investigations team at The Times
@billykenber: Leadsom was a minister from April 2014, earning a salary of £98,740. So unclear why employment income is only £77k0 -
The problem is caused by years under Blair where the party at large was sidelined in the selection of PPCs so the parliamentary party became detached from the party at large. If shortlists and candidates were not imposed in such a biased way then the parliamentary party would reflect the memberships wishes better and thus Corbyn would have greater support.
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So that's three wins for Scotland and one for Jersey in this Wimbledon alone.JackW said:Heather Watson wins the mixed doubles with partner Henri Kontinen.
Have to feel sorry for England, so many years of hurt. I think that's 39 years since an English woman and 29 years since an English man won a Wimbledon title.
And of course 80 years since an English man won the Gentleman's Singles.0 -
I read that Theresa May is about to offer Michael Gove her old job of Home Secretary. If he does join her team she will have most of vote leave conservatives on her side.
Not doubt this will be announced or denied in the next few days0 -
To quote someone last night, you Leaver dipshitSeanT said:You bastard LEAVE voters. Just booked a hire car for my trip to Switzerland tomorrow
Jeepers. The £.
Pffffff!!0 -
The Tory system isn't perfect but is far superior to Labour's, which is risible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, if a Tory leader loses a vote of no confidence they are automatically barred from standing in the subsequent leadership contest.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
We know how to organise coups
The best system would be the Tory system, but where the PLP/PCP commanded 50% of the votes in the final run off, as suggested on here recently by another poster.0 -
Momentum tinfoil hat brigade out in force
https://twitter.com/jeremyforlabour/status/7521544990416199680 -
There is a general belief that Coburn is a double agent from some other party. He's successfully squelched the UKIP vote from its peak 10% down back below 2% in Scotland.ToryJim said:David Coburn is an utter tool
https://twitter.com/davidcoburnukip/status/7521854340804444160 -
Lord Byro versus the Scallywag Tories
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Fred Perry's father was a Labour MP.Lowlander said:
So that's three wins for Scotland and one for Jersey in this Wimbledon alone.JackW said:Heather Watson wins the mixed doubles with partner Henri Kontinen.
Have to feel sorry for England, so many years of hurt. I think that's 39 years since an English woman and 29 years since an English man won a Wimbledon title.
And of course 80 years since an English man won the Gentleman's Singles.0 -
LEAVE 52%SeanT said:You bastard LEAVE voters. Just booked a hire car for my trip to Switzerland tomorrow
Jeepers. The £.
Pffffff!!
REMAIN 48%
Suck it up, ho! 0 -
Not to mention Brits dominating the Tour de France.Big_G_NorthWales said:Great day for Independent GB Brits in Grand Prix and Wimbledon
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Not sure most of the country of what ever political persuasion would look with a great deal of charity on the Tories if having pissed around for months over the referendum, and subsequently admitting that Dave & George didn't bother with little details like a plan, that they dilly dallied around for another three months electing a new leader while the markets got irritable, only to immediately chuck that leader out and spend another three months seeing if they could get a better answer.ToryJim said:
Possible there are draft letters ready to go in on Sep 10thTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, if a Tory leader loses a vote of no confidence they are automatically barred from standing in the subsequent leadership contest.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
We know how to organise coups0 -
My £3 - shall we say - "investment" in the Labour Party will have been in vain if Corbyn goes 0
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Mind you you are at least going to a non-EU nation and one of our future likely partners in EFTA, would be interesting to see if, as a Brit, you get a warm welcome, I hope so!SeanT said:You bastard LEAVE voters. Just booked a hire car for my trip to Switzerland tomorrow
Jeepers. The £.
Pffffff!!0 -
And the local Parties accepted it. Tritram Hunt was parachuted into Stoke Central, the local Chairman resigned and stood against Hunt at the GE. Hunt won. The voters voted for a rich man , privately educated etc..grahambc1 said:The problem is caused by years under Blair where the party at large was sidelined in the selection of PPCs so the parliamentary party became detached from the party at large. If shortlists and candidates were not imposed in such a biased way then the parliamentary party would reflect the memberships wishes better and thus Corbyn would have greater support.
And then Labour voters complain their MPs are not representatives of them.!!!
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29 years for English woman. Last English man was 2012Lowlander said:
So that's three wins for Scotland and one for Jersey in this Wimbledon alone.JackW said:Heather Watson wins the mixed doubles with partner Henri Kontinen.
Have to feel sorry for England, so many years of hurt. I think that's 39 years since an English woman and 29 years since an English man won a Wimbledon title.
And of course 80 years since an English man won the Gentleman's Singles.
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If Heffer and Hitchens had had their way we would have had PM Tebbit, followed by PM Redwood, PM IDS and PM Davis now making way for PM Leadsom, certainly an interesting combinationLuckyguy1983 said:
Or is it that in today's political culture, you have to be untrustworthy and weak to be seen as vaguely sane?HYUFD said:
Yes but Heffer and Hitchens see anyone vaguely sane as untrustworthy and weakParistonda said:
Good lord, Theresa May is left wing? Hitchens needs to take a couple of deep breaths.HYUFD said:Hitchens also, like Heffer, no fan of May
'Look, I am resigned to the coronation of Mrs Theresa May as our next Prime Minister. In a cynical way, I am quite pleased by it, as she is so Left-wing that she may well achieve my main aim in life – the final and utter destruction of the Useless, Fraudulent Tory Party.
But spare me the suggestion that she is the new Margaret Thatcher. I’m not actually a Thatcherite, and disapprove of a lot of what the Iron Lady did.
But I did meet Mrs Thatcher, and talk to her, and watch her in action. And Mrs May is no Margaret Thatcher. She is in fact the new John Major.'
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
John Major gets a bad rap - he was running the tail end of an 18 year government with a large part of the party that no longer cared about staying in power. He lost to one of the best 'candidates' for PM we've had in a long time (I say candidate as on paper he was perfect regardless of the actual results!)0 -
I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.0
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Swiss are probably peed off - it's made their own negotiations with the EU far more difficult.SeanT said:
Yes indeed. I have several dinners and lunches with some Swiss dudes and dudettes, quite high up in the tourism industry.HYUFD said:
Mind you you are at least going to a non-EU nation and one of our future likely partners in EFTA, would be interesting to see if, as a Brit, you get a warm welcome, I hope so!SeanT said:You bastard LEAVE voters. Just booked a hire car for my trip to Switzerland tomorrow
Jeepers. The £.
Pffffff!!
Will be fascinating to get their take on Brexit. In my experience, so far, Europeans are deeply intrigued by what we've done - in good and bad ways.0 -
Portugal to win. Ronaldo to be sent off.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
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I thought you want to be/speak French, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
Isn't your company moving toVichyParis post-Brexit?0 -
As Pogba is about to join Man U after Real Madrid withdrew their interest as they didn't have the 105 million pounds to buy him, its got to be France tonight. Come on you new red 'Paul Pogba'0
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I have nothing against the Portuguese, save for the fact that their football team are the most egregious cheats in Europe and that the have the most dislikeable player in world football. So, France for me tonight.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
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Never. I never want to be French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you want to be/speak French, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
Isn't your company moving toVichyParis post-Brexit?
We're not moving to Paris, we're merely planning for a lack of single market membership.0 -
Go Ronaldo.
That said, Allez les Bleus.
Sort of don't care who wins.
Pin me into a corner for a decision? The sheer number of non-white French players warms me to them. It says something for a country which is so colour-blind. Same with many English teams. I am old enough to like the fact that players of all colours embrace as though colour was wholly unimportant.0 -
On Topic
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Presumably MPs have no right to stand in their deselction sorry i mean reselection meetings either.
The current NEC elections will also give Corbyn a strong majority on that body too IMO.
Basically Corbyn not on ballot is a non starter0 -
Regardless of what technicalities can be found for Corbyn to be kept off the ballot, the bottom line is:
If Angela Eagle (or any other "moderate") thinks she can't even beat CORBYN in an election, how the hell is she going to have a chance against a far more formidable opponent in the Tories at the next General Election??0 -
Are you paying for it yourself, then, if you don't mind me asking?SeanT said:0 -
Yes, will be interesting to see your reports backSeanT said:
Yes indeed. I have several dinners and lunches with some Swiss dudes and dudettes, quite high up in the tourism industry.HYUFD said:
Mind you you are at least going to a non-EU nation and one of our future likely partners in EFTA, would be interesting to see if, as a Brit, you get a warm welcome, I hope so!SeanT said:You bastard LEAVE voters. Just booked a hire car for my trip to Switzerland tomorrow
Jeepers. The £.
Pffffff!!
Will be fascinating to get their take on Brexit. In my experience, so far, Europeans are deeply intrigued by what we've done - in good and bad ways.0 -
Surely we should be supporting the British officials running the match?TheScreamingEagles said:
Never. I never want to be French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you want to be/speak French, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
Isn't your company moving toVichyParis post-Brexit?
We're not moving to Paris, we're merely planning for a lack of single market membership.0 -
Norway should be fine as it saved in the good times but Australia and Canada.......rcs1000 said:FPT:
It is worth noting this trend is global. The last two decades being pretty horrible for most people in terms of disposable income almost everywhere in the developed world: the USA, Sweden, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, and Japan have all had stangnant median incomes for an extended period.nunu said:
Gee I wonder why Trump is doing so well, as well Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Ooh. Thanks for that. That's very interesting.Andy_Cooke said:
And it's something that politicians could and should have done something about - and could have done so if they'd just grasped the nettle on housing:nunu said:
I think that is right, because for most swing voters there has been no recovery, and many Leave voters have nothing to lose.MontyHall said:Also on the BBC Politics show today was a section, presented by a young woman from the remain campaign, analysing where it all went wrong for them.
Apparently, believing that parroting "It's the economy stupid" would resonate was one of their major misjudgements
This is real median income in the US over the last 20-odd years. Basically, the average person in the US is about 10% worse off than 17 years ago!
Why did the Democrats pick Hilary over Bernie, all the polls show he easily beats Trump.
America wants change!
(Maybe).
The three developed countries have totally avoided this trap are: Canada, Australia, and Norway.
What did they do that was different? They were commodity exporters during a commodity bull market. No more, no less.
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As I said this morning, it will be interesting if Eagle is deselected by her CLP in the next few weeks.bigjohnowls said:On Topic
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Presumably MPs have no right to stand in their deselction sorry i mean reselection meetings either.
The current NEC elections will also give Corbyn a strong majority on that body too IMO.
Basically Corbyn not on ballot is a non starter
Surely, using Keiran Pedley's logic about "who the Queen invites to form a government", that would rule Eagle out of the leadership election? After all, the Queen would not be able to invite someone who will not even be in the Commons at all after the next election.0 -
Blairites have never cared about rules or for democracyDaemonBarber said:
Iraq being an obvious example.0 -
Found womens wheelchair doubles v entertaining.0
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black pudding eating surrender monkeyTheScreamingEagles said:
Never. I never want to be French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you want to be/speak French, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
Isn't your company moving toVichyParis post-Brexit?
We're not moving to Paris, we're merely planning for a lack of single market membership.0 -
Although merely by convention. Douglas-Home was member of neither house and PM for twenty days.Danny565 said:
As I said this morning, it will be interesting if Eagle is deselected by her CLP in the next few weeks.bigjohnowls said:On Topic
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Presumably MPs have no right to stand in their deselction sorry i mean reselection meetings either.
The current NEC elections will also give Corbyn a strong majority on that body too IMO.
Basically Corbyn not on ballot is a non starter
Surely, using Keiran Pedley's logic about "who the Queen invites to form a government", that would rule Eagle out of the leadership election? After all, the Queen would not be able to invite someone who will not even be in the Commons at all after the next election.0 -
But could conceivably stand in the election after that, following an immediate challenge to / vote of confidence in the new leader?Sandpit said:
Yes. A Conservative leader losing a vote of confidence - by a simple majority of MPs - is not allowed to stand in the election for his or her successor.
As could Corbyn if Labour find a way to get him off the ballot, presumably.
To the outside world such a merry-go-round of leadership would appear petty, but the candidate forced out will almost always attract more sympathy than those who try to pull off the stitch up.0 -
TSE in the fashion police? The world has gone truly mad.TheScreamingEagles said:
I though Corbyn unusually well turned out this morning. At least his clothes fitted for once!0 -
An alternative view is here:bigjohnowls said:
Blairites have never cared about rules or for democracyDaemonBarber said:
Iraq being an obvious example.
https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/the-corbyn-coup/
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Anything goes on a Sunday.TheScreamingEagles said:The one thing that really annoyed me about Corbyn's appearance on The Marr Show.
Blue shirt, cream jacket, and black trousers.
FFS, smarten up you scuff, you're a candidate to be Prime Minister.0 -
Because the electorate will be made up of normal people not 500 000 Marxists!!Danny565 said:Regardless of what technicalities can be found for Corbyn to be kept off the ballot, the bottom line is:
If Angela Eagle (or any other "moderate") thinks she can't even beat CORBYN in an election, how the hell is she going to have a chance against a far more formidable opponent in the Tories at the next General Election??0 -
Let's hope they remember to fill in the leadership ballot in pen.ToryJim said:Momentum tinfoil hat brigade out in force
https://twitter.com/jeremyforlabour/status/7521544990416199680 -
I agree. It's hard to see the NEC keeping him off the ballot. There is too much doubt and so the safe thing to do is let Corbyn run.bigjohnowls said:On Topic
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Presumably MPs have no right to stand in their deselction sorry i mean reselection meetings either.
The current NEC elections will also give Corbyn a strong majority on that body too IMO.
Basically Corbyn not on ballot is a non starter
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No MP can guarantee being in the Commons after the next election.Danny565 said:
As I said this morning, it will be interesting if Eagle is deselected by her CLP in the next few weeks.bigjohnowls said:On Topic
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Presumably MPs have no right to stand in their deselction sorry i mean reselection meetings either.
The current NEC elections will also give Corbyn a strong majority on that body too IMO.
Basically Corbyn not on ballot is a non starter
Surely, using Keiran Pedley's logic about "who the Queen invites to form a government", that would rule Eagle out of the leadership election? After all, the Queen would not be able to invite someone who will not even be in the Commons at all after the next election.0 -
I wonder. Certainly in the UK my disposable income since I got my teacher's pension has risen continually since 2009 thanks to indexing and tax cuts. Many millions? of pensioners are the same. Yet irritatingly it is the elderly who are among the most discontented and backwards looking. In short the group which has never had it so good seem the least content. Go figure.rcs1000 said:FPT:
It is worth noting this trend is global. The last two decades being pretty horrible for most people in terms of disposable income almost everywhere in the developed world: the USA, Sweden, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, and Japan have all had stangnant median incomes for an extended period.nunu said:
Gee I wonder why Trump is doing so well, as well Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Ooh. Thanks for that. That's very interesting.Andy_Cooke said:
And it's something that politicians could and should have done something about - and could have done so if they'd just grasped the nettle on housing:nunu said:
I think that is right, because for most swing voters there has been no recovery, and many Leave voters have nothing to lose.MontyHall said:Also on the BBC Politics show today was a section, presented by a young woman from the remain campaign, analysing where it all went wrong for them.
Apparently, believing that parroting "It's the economy stupid" would resonate was one of their major misjudgements
This is real median income in the US over the last 20-odd years. Basically, the average person in the US is about 10% worse off than 17 years ago!
Why did the Democrats pick Hilary over Bernie, all the polls show he easily beats Trump.
America wants change!
(Maybe).
The three developed countries have totally avoided this trap are: Canada, Australia, and Norway.
What did they do that was different? They were commodity exporters during a commodity bull market. No more, no less.0 -
And again, a truly talented politician can get through any electorate. Tony Blair managed to win an overwhelming endorsement from the "Marxists" at one time, too.HYUFD said:
Because the electorate will be made up of normal people not 500 000 Marxists!!Danny565 said:Regardless of what technicalities can be found for Corbyn to be kept off the ballot, the bottom line is:
If Angela Eagle (or any other "moderate") thinks she can't even beat CORBYN in an election, how the hell is she going to have a chance against a far more formidable opponent in the Tories at the next General Election??
It should be a statement of the obvious that, if you can't even inspire your own troops behind you, you've not got a hope in hell of inspiring the country. An election is an election, and a lot of the skillset required to win elections applies across the board, no matter how different the electorates are -- if Eagle apparently feels she doesn't have the skills to win this particular election on merit, then that says it all.0 -
I gave Jez some fashion advice shortly before he became leader. If only he had listened to me.foxinsoxuk said:
TSE in the fashion police? The world has gone truly mad.TheScreamingEagles said:
I though Corbyn unusually well turned out this morning. At least his clothes fitted for once!
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/09/11/some-fashion-advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/0 -
Sorry, stand corrected thenTheScreamingEagles said:
Never. I never want to be French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you want to be/speak French, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:I trust all true English people are cheering for our oldest ally, Portugal, against the French.
Isn't your company moving toVichyParis post-Brexit?
We're not moving to Paris, we're merely planning for a lack of single market membership.0 -
Yes it should be remembered that the German economy was underperforming before the financial crisis.rcs1000 said:FPT:
It is worth noting this trend is global. The last two decades being pretty horrible for most people in terms of disposable income almost everywhere in the developed world: the USA, Sweden, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, and Japan have all had stangnant median incomes for an extended period.nunu said:
Gee I wonder why Trump is doing so well, as well Sanders.rcs1000 said:
Ooh. Thanks for that. That's very interesting.Andy_Cooke said:
And it's something that politicians could and should have done something about - and could have done so if they'd just grasped the nettle on housing:nunu said:
I think that is right, because for most swing voters there has been no recovery, and many Leave voters have nothing to lose.MontyHall said:Also on the BBC Politics show today was a section, presented by a young woman from the remain campaign, analysing where it all went wrong for them.
Apparently, believing that parroting "It's the economy stupid" would resonate was one of their major misjudgements
This is real median income in the US over the last 20-odd years. Basically, the average person in the US is about 10% worse off than 17 years ago!
Why did the Democrats pick Hilary over Bernie, all the polls show he easily beats Trump.
America wants change!
(Maybe).
The three developed countries have totally avoided this trap are: Canada, Australia, and Norway.
What did they do that was different? They were commodity exporters during a commodity bull market. No more, no less.0 -
I see Leadsom's tax returns were prepared by Isis Accountants who appear not to be chartered accountants - is that right?0
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The Labour party membership - 90% pro-remain, anti-Trident, pro-immigration, suspicious of patriotism, etc - is not the electorate. Real world voters have different concerns to activists.Danny565 said:Regardless of what technicalities can be found for Corbyn to be kept off the ballot, the bottom line is:
If Angela Eagle (or any other "moderate") thinks she can't even beat CORBYN in an election, how the hell is she going to have a chance against a far more formidable opponent in the Tories at the next General Election??
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Err - what exactly is Andrea's plan - apart from only 1 year's tax info, telling Putin what for and being a mother?Indigo said:
Not sure most of the country of what ever political persuasion would look with a great deal of charity on the Tories if having pissed around for months over the referendum, and subsequently admitting that Dave & George didn't bother with little details like a plan, that they dilly dallied around for another three months electing a new leader while the markets got irritable, only to immediately chuck that leader out and spend another three months seeing if they could get a better answer.ToryJim said:
Possible there are draft letters ready to go in on Sep 10thTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, if a Tory leader loses a vote of no confidence they are automatically barred from standing in the subsequent leadership contest.Barnesian said:Keiran says " This is different from the Conservatives where a leader defeated by a no confidence motion must go. "
Does this mean that if Leadsom is elected by Tory members, she could be deposed by a no confidence vote of the vast majority of Tory MPs who don't want her as PM? If so, yippee.
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I suppose the thinking behind keeping Corbyn off the ballot is it might cause an exodus of lefty members (presuming the non far lefties who also voted for him are more prepared to stick around), rather than force the MPs to potentially have to leave if they challenge him and fail (given their actions have gone far beyond usual challenges)?0
