politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Where Eagle dares after Tom Watson’s Union discussions fail
Comments
-
The other decision that will have to be made is whether £3ers get a vote this time.0
-
Does he need nominations? How many? Is he likely to get it?Jobabob said:
If he can......TheScreamingEagles said:Just stuck this tweet in to the thread header
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/751751232767795200
0 -
Ah, to have friends like Louise, prepared to back you even when there's a clusterf**k developing...ToryJim said:Well Louise Mensch has a unique take on the audio and transcript.
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/7517476303514542080 -
Harnessing the masses as they joined may have been an attractive prospect. Not likely though.PlatoSaid said:
I genuinely can't understand what EdM and his clique were thinking of. It was so horribly obvious what would happen.rottenborough said:
That'll be the same Edward who introduce the stunning £3 a go supporters scheme?PlatoSaid said:
He was so delighted to "get my Party back" when EdM was elected too.kle4 said:
I feel kind of sorry for him - his speech to the party the other day the audio of which is online was a little sad, in that he sounds as angry about Benn and his clique now as he was then, and was furiously talking of how there will be no split, no one is forcing him out, and yet his party may well find itself to be diametrically opposed in many ways to what he thinks it should be.rottenborough said:As this is the year of weird political happenings, how about Lord Kinnock renouncing peerage, standing in Batley and running to unite and save the party?
How's the three quiddey thingy going Ed?0 -
If Jeremy Corbyn gets on the ballot paper, the odds for Angela Eagle look slim indeed.
Is anyone else going to stand?0 -
If stupid MPs had not got Corbyn on the ballot paper it would not have been an issue.kle4 said:
Harnessing the masses as they joined may have been an attractive prospect. Not likely though.PlatoSaid said:
I genuinely can't understand what EdM and his clique were thinking of. It was so horribly obvious what would happen.rottenborough said:
That'll be the same Edward who introduce the stunning £3 a go supporters scheme?PlatoSaid said:
He was so delighted to "get my Party back" when EdM was elected too.kle4 said:
I feel kind of sorry for him - his speech to the party the other day the audio of which is online was a little sad, in that he sounds as angry about Benn and his clique now as he was then, and was furiously talking of how there will be no split, no one is forcing him out, and yet his party may well find itself to be diametrically opposed in many ways to what he thinks it should be.rottenborough said:As this is the year of weird political happenings, how about Lord Kinnock renouncing peerage, standing in Batley and running to unite and save the party?
How's the three quiddey thingy going Ed?
0 -
Watson fancies himself a fat bespectacled Svengali but his record of pulling off coups is pathetic. He needs to go.DanSmith said:
A rule of the Labour party, Watson always gets what he wants.rottenborough said:
Well, he's (Watson) had the training for it.DanSmith said:
My word you might have spotted something there.SouthamObserver said:
Has Watson just spent the last week with the unions stitching Corbyn up? I doubt it, but it would be absolutely and gloriously magnificent if it were so.0 -
I think I will join the Labour party to stop Corbyn becoming leader, again as we need a strong opposition. £1 for uni students. A bargain
*Everyone here who loves Britain should do the same if you can*0 -
Depends. Most likely he won't need them, but that will be subject to NEC challenge (based on the Kinnock precedent). If Watson has turned union votes, Corbyn may need nominations. If he needs nominations, he won't get enough.nunu said:
Does he need nominations? How many? Is he likely to get it?Jobabob said:
If he can......TheScreamingEagles said:Just stuck this tweet in to the thread header
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/751751232767795200
Hope that's clear!0 -
Quite. It keeps coming down to that the process for both parties is designed to screen out the no hopers before it gets to the public, albeit by different means. If a crazy no hoper gets through, it is the fault of MPs for ignoring the spirit of the rules.SouthamObserver said:
If stupid MPs had not got Corbyn on the ballot paper it would not have been an issue.kle4 said:
Harnessing the masses as they joined may have been an attractive prospect. Not likely though.PlatoSaid said:
I genuinely can't understand what EdM and his clique were thinking of. It was so horribly obvious what would happen.rottenborough said:
That'll be the same Edward who introduce the stunning £3 a go supporters scheme?PlatoSaid said:
He was so delighted to "get my Party back" when EdM was elected too.kle4 said:
I feel kind of sorry for him - his speech to the party the other day the audio of which is online was a little sad, in that he sounds as angry about Benn and his clique now as he was then, and was furiously talking of how there will be no split, no one is forcing him out, and yet his party may well find itself to be diametrically opposed in many ways to what he thinks it should be.rottenborough said:As this is the year of weird political happenings, how about Lord Kinnock renouncing peerage, standing in Batley and running to unite and save the party?
How's the three quiddey thingy going Ed?0 -
I'd question whether Plato said that at the time, but I stand to be corrected.kle4 said:
Harnessing the masses as they joined may have been an attractive prospect. Not likely though.PlatoSaid said:
I genuinely can't understand what EdM and his clique were thinking of. It was so horribly obvious what would happen.rottenborough said:
That'll be the same Edward who introduce the stunning £3 a go supporters scheme?PlatoSaid said:
He was so delighted to "get my Party back" when EdM was elected too.kle4 said:
I feel kind of sorry for him - his speech to the party the other day the audio of which is online was a little sad, in that he sounds as angry about Benn and his clique now as he was then, and was furiously talking of how there will be no split, no one is forcing him out, and yet his party may well find itself to be diametrically opposed in many ways to what he thinks it should be.rottenborough said:As this is the year of weird political happenings, how about Lord Kinnock renouncing peerage, standing in Batley and running to unite and save the party?
How's the three quiddey thingy going Ed?0 -
This parody site is pretty funny http://leadsomforleader.co.uk0
-
"Any other" looks good there.AlastairMeeks said:
My current most seats book on Betfair is as follows:Alistair said:
I'd be wanting the 500-1 I have on UKIP most seats.PlatoSaid said:
I'd be wanting a lot more than 50-1hamiltonace said:As a bet 50-1 on Lib Dems having most seats at next general election could be an interesting shot. A split in Labour followed by Tories electing AL who trashes the economy with a botched negotiation and the Lib Dems come through with a clear vote to go back into EC.
Con +11
Lab +9
Lib Dems +1250
UKIP +1250
Any other +2287
I'm not doing anything much with this for the while.0 -
True but water under the bridgeSouthamObserver said:
If stupid MPs had not got Corbyn on the ballot paper it would not have been an issue.kle4 said:
Harnessing the masses as they joined may have been an attractive prospect. Not likely though.PlatoSaid said:
I genuinely can't understand what EdM and his clique were thinking of. It was so horribly obvious what would happen.rottenborough said:
That'll be the same Edward who introduce the stunning £3 a go supporters scheme?PlatoSaid said:
He was so delighted to "get my Party back" when EdM was elected too.kle4 said:
I feel kind of sorry for him - his speech to the party the other day the audio of which is online was a little sad, in that he sounds as angry about Benn and his clique now as he was then, and was furiously talking of how there will be no split, no one is forcing him out, and yet his party may well find itself to be diametrically opposed in many ways to what he thinks it should be.rottenborough said:As this is the year of weird political happenings, how about Lord Kinnock renouncing peerage, standing in Batley and running to unite and save the party?
How's the three quiddey thingy going Ed?0 -
Crap, I'm going to be owing that swine Tissue Price £50 now.
Damn you Angela Eagle, damn you.0 -
@TheScreamingEagles
You desperately need to change your PB name.
You sound like an Angela and Maria tribute act!
The Floundering Eagles
0 -
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:Crap, I'm going to be owing that swine Tissue Price £50 now.
Damn you Angela Eagle, damn you.0 -
Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?0
-
She is right, the transcript is very badly done. RS doesn't say "So it really keeps you focussed on what are you really saying", Leadsom says that.ToryJim said:Well Louise Mensch has a unique take on the audio and transcript.
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/7517476303514542080 -
The best they can do at the next election is get a Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS, yesLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
0 -
How many Labour MPs there would be at the time of the next Labour leadership contest.Richard_Nabavi said:
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:Crap, I'm going to be owing that swine Tissue Price £50 now.
Damn you Angela Eagle, damn you.
I went for sub 200 MPs.0 -
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
0 -
Corbyn 50% Eagle 40% in the last members poll, so much closer than May led Leadsom, I would not rule out the Eagle completely yet and unlike 2015 when Corbyn benefited from being the outsider with low expectations it is now Eagle who has nothing to loseAlastairMeeks said:If Jeremy Corbyn gets on the ballot paper, the odds for Angela Eagle look slim indeed.
Is anyone else going to stand?0 -
Ah. Mr Tissue Price is an adversary to be treated with considerable caution.TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Labour MPs there would be at the time of the next Labour leadership contest.Richard_Nabavi said:
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:Crap, I'm going to be owing that swine Tissue Price £50 now.
Damn you Angela Eagle, damn you.
I went for sub 200 MPs.0 -
After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.0
-
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
0 -
Dear Sarah,LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
love,
Sunil 0 -
Ishmael_X said:
She is right, the transcript is very badly done. RS doesn't say "So it really keeps you focussed on what are you really saying", Leadsom says that.ToryJim said:Well Louise Mensch has a unique take on the audio and transcript.
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/751747630351454208
It is also in answer to an original question by the journalist about the difference betwwen her and May. Just the difference, not which is better or worse.
0 -
It's all down to the unions. They can kill Labour off, or not ...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/7517578560519618560 -
What did she tweet?LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
Don’t use twitter.0 -
I could be reading this totally wrong but I think people are hinting at this idea that Corbyn will need 50 nominations to get on the ballot? He might not be able do that if there are several challengers.David_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
Eagle therefore might be paving the way for someone else to win, her job is to trigger the process that keeps Corbyn off the ballot.0 -
David_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
Not necessarily - depends on how they play it. The voting system is a run off, AV style systemDavid_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
0 -
YawnSunil_Prasannan said:
Dear Sarah,LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
love,
Sunil
0 -
The betting public seem to have decided that the Times article is a one day wonder. Andrea Leadsom is currently available to back on Betfair at 4.5 (and last traded at 4.6), only fractionally above the 4.3 that she was available for yesterday evening.0
-
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/751760812235186176SouthamObserver said:It's all down to the unions. They can kill Labour off, or not ...
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/7517578560519618560 -
No you are right but it's not clear whether or not he is automatically on the ballot. That's the crucible of the battle now.jonny83 said:
I could be reading this totally wrong but I think people are hinting at this idea that Corbyn will need 50 nominations to get on the ballot? He might not be able do that if there are several challengers.David_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
Eagle therefore might be paving the way for someone else to win, her job is to trigger the process that keeps Corbyn off the ballot.
0 -
Sound advice.OldKingCole said:LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
Don’t use twitter.
0 -
I think the best course would be a single challenger with 150+ nominations. I think what Labour may come to regret is not twisting the arm of Hilary Benn.jonny83 said:
I could be reading this totally wrong but I think people are hinting at this idea that Corbyn will need 50 nominations to get on the ballot? He might not be able do that if there are several challengers.David_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
Eagle therefore might be paving the way for someone else to win, her job is to trigger the process that keeps Corbyn off the ballot.
0 -
Yes, thank you. Sounds like he won't need nominations in which case Labour are screwed.Jobabob said:
Depends. Most likely he won't need them, but that will be subject to necessarily challenge (based on the Kinnock precedent). If Watson has turned union votes, Corbyn may need nominations. If he needs nominations, he won't get enough.nunu said:
Does he need nominations? How many? Is he likely to get it?Jobabob said:
If he can......TheScreamingEagles said:Just stuck this tweet in to the thread header
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/751751232767795200
Hope that's clear!0 -
Change in prediction: May was very likely to lose imho.
Now...well, Joe Vissarionovich could be assisting at the count.
"Ballot closes noon on 9 September. Votes will be counted electronically
Members can vote by postal ballot or online"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-367528650 -
Aren't the rules written down?SouthamObserver said:The other decision that will have to be made is whether £3ers get a vote this time.
0 -
I'm on +200 for this bet, TP has the jackpot at sub 100.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah. Mr Tissue Price is an adversary to be treated with considerable caution.TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Labour MPs there would be at the time of the next Labour leadership contest.Richard_Nabavi said:
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:Crap, I'm going to be owing that swine Tissue Price £50 now.
Damn you Angela Eagle, damn you.
I went for sub 200 MPs.0 -
Chuka withdrew from the previous leadership contest for reasons which presumably still apply.HYUFD said:
Chuka, a rare anti Iraq War Blairite, can but only after Labour loses the 2020 election, he knows that too which is why he will not challenge Corbyn himselfTheScreamingEagles said:
I did contemplate writing a thread a few months ago headlined 'Chuka Can'kle4 said:Time for Chuka?
And I was also hopeful of a Chuka/Sadiq dream ticket, headline was 'Chuka Khan'
0 -
And Ms May is the CCHQ candidate.shiney2 said:Change in prediction: May was very likely to lose imho.
Now...well, Joe Vissarionovich could be assisting at the count.
"Ballot closes noon on 9 September. Votes will be counted electronically
Members can vote by postal ballot or online"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
Is there any role for the candidate teams at all? Can they witness the vote verification?0 -
In truth @andrealeadsom better suited to obscurity than high officeOldKingCole said:
What did she tweet?LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
Don’t use twitter.
.@andrealeadsom has repeatedly shown that she lacks judgement & is not the right person to lead the nation. She should now withdraw
I agree with the first, but not the second......if Leadsom doesn't lose at the hands of the members we'll never hear the end of it.....0 -
Can we have an AV thread to go over the merits of that particular voting system.Jobabob said:David_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
Not necessarily - depends on how they play it. The voting system is a run off, AV style systemDavid_Evershed said:
if other candidates also stand that just weakens Eagle and strengthens Corbyn.Jobabob said:
She's a stalking horseLadyBucket said:Angela Eagle is not the answer to Labour's problems. Is this really the best they can do?
0 -
A result that lead a lot of leavers to scurry for coverSunil_Prasannan said:
Dear Sarah,LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
love,
Sunil
Having won they should be out putting forward their view of the future, post leave
As a last second leaver I'm incredibly disappointed in the cowardice and ineptitude of the leave big names
0 -
Dunno, but if it doesn't become a issue of public accountability of its own accord then it will need to be pushed.anotherDave said:
And Ms May is the CCHQ candidate.shiney2 said:Change in prediction: May was very likely to lose imho.
Now...well, Joe Vissarionovich could be assisting at the count.
"Ballot closes noon on 9 September. Votes will be counted electronically
Members can vote by postal ballot or online"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
Is there any role for the candidate teams at all? Can they witness the vote verification?
Who actually wants something that in extremis could be like DMail green/red arrow inversion to become accepted.0 -
Thanks Ms Vance; and agree with your view.CarlottaVance said:
In truth @andrealeadsom better suited to obscurity than high officeOldKingCole said:
What did she tweet?LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
Don’t use twitter.
.@andrealeadsom has repeatedly shown that she lacks judgement & is not the right person to lead the nation. She should now withdraw
I agree with the first, but not the second......if Leadsom doesn't lose at the hands of the members we'll never hear the end of it.....0 -
Is anyone else irked that Simon Danczuk is still suspended from Labour for legally (albeit ill judged) sending explicit texts to a 17 year old...
...yet Naz Shah circulates anti-semitic hate speech and is fast tracked back into the party. Pathetic.0 -
Commentary on the women's final at Wimbledon will be provided by that well-known tennis expert and veteran grand slam player John Inverdale.0
-
Johnson and Leadsom were the two Conservative LEAVE presenters on the TV debates.saddened said:
A result that lead a lot of leavers to scurry for coverSunil_Prasannan said:
Dear Sarah,LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
love,
Sunil
Having won they should be out putting forward their view of the future, post leave
As a last second leaver I'm incredibly disappointed in the cowardice and ineptitude of the leave big names
Leadsom is standing in the final round for PM. No coward she.0 -
Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.0 -
The last Labour leadership election took four months and this one could well take longer depending on how heavily the process is disputed. That means there will be at least two months of opinion polling from early September with a new Conservative leader enjoying the usual polling honeymoon in the middle of a Labour leadership election.
So look forward to regular double digit Conservative opinion poll leads just as Corbyn is trying to fend off his challengers. If anything ought to make the Labour membership see sense, that should, but I doubt if it will.
0 -
Ineptitude writ, large in the case of the mummy.David_Evershed said:
Johnson and Leadsom were the two Conservative LEAVE presenters on the TV debates.saddened said:
A result that lead a lot of leavers to scurry for coverSunil_Prasannan said:
Dear Sarah,LadyBucket said:After reading Sarah Wollaston's tweet this morning re Andrea Leadsom, it appears Mrs Wollaston is not as nice as we were led to believe. So many reputations being ruined at the moment. A period of silence from some would be much appreciated.
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
love,
Sunil
Having won they should be out putting forward their view of the future, post leave
As a last second leaver I'm incredibly disappointed in the cowardice and ineptitude of the leave big names
Leadsom is standing in the final round for PM. No coward she.
Where are the others?0 -
"... But I have children .."JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.
The emphasis is telling - Theresa may have nephews & nieces.....but they don't really count...0 -
Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.0 -
#EmphasisgateCarlottaVance said:
"... But I have children .."JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.
The emphasis is telling - Theresa may have nephews & nieces.....but they don't really count...0 -
0
-
I'm glad to see that Labour are following my seminal advice (as delivered to young @Jobabob) to have a stalking horse candidate.kle4 said:About time!
On both.
Eagle is probably doomed, but at least someone is making the attempt - after the no confidence vote, to not even attempt to remove Corbyn if he won't go voluntarily would be gutless. Understandable, given it is expected he would win a contest if he doesn't stand aside of his own accord, but still gutless.
Eagle will lay down her political life so that the "moderates" can truly gauge whether the Labour party is literally a lost cause. They need to be sure. Then they can decide whether a split is inevitable.0 -
Out of curiosity - do you have a vote in the Tory leadership election?CarlottaVance said:Great website:
http://leadsomforleader.com0 -
The quotes used will encourage more Conservative members to vote for Leadsom than May.CarlottaVance said:Great website:
http://leadsomforleader.com
Parody shoots itself in foot. 0 -
So having children is now a crime, it had to happen. That notorious hate site, Mumsnet, is living on borrowed time.JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.0 -
Labour is an anti-Semitic party so anyone caught being anti-Semitic is treated leniently.Pauly said:Is anyone else irked that Simon Danczuk is still suspended from Labour for legally (albeit ill judged) sending explicit texts to a 17 year old...
...yet Naz Shah circulates anti-semitic hate speech and is fast tracked back into the party. Pathetic.0 -
There's a video of Ms Leadsom's statement on the ITV website.JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-09/andrea-leadsom-disgusted-by-times-article/
0 -
She said being a mother meant she was more invested in the future and so would be a better leader, implicitly, than May, despite saying she wasn't comparing them.MonikerDiCanio said:
So having children is now a crime, it had to happen. That notorious hate site, Mumsnet, is living on borrowed time.JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.0 -
Do you really not get what's wrong with what Leadsom said?MonikerDiCanio said:
So having children is now a crime, it had to happen. That notorious hate site, Mumsnet, is living on borrowed time.JackW said:Whilst the Leadsom transcripts are bad enough I've just heard the audio and it's worse.
Mrs JackW picked it up first and then I listened more carefully. It's the clear emphasis that Leadsom uses when she says :
"... But I have children .."
Earlier today I thought Leadsom was simply foolish and insensitive in the interview but regretfully it appears she was also distinctly mendacious.
Even Leadsom does, that's why she tried to say that's not what she said.0 -
Woolfe cut from 3.75 to 2.2 by PP. Hope we all got on 0
-
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?0 -
Anyone on here attending a Conservative members events this weekend - surely lots of stuff should be happening at this time of year. Would be very helpful to see the results of any straw polls on the leadership contest.0
-
If Leadsom wins, a slim possibility, but still possible, again the twitterati will be shocked, apalled, astonished - but HOW could this happen when twitter went mad over that awful interview? HOW could the Tories have elected this bigoted, Bible-bashing, incompetent, tea-lady dressed as director? They're bubbling themselves up with visceral hatred for someone totally inoffensive, and once again demonising their opponents rather than attempting to understand or even convince them. And if she wins, once again they won't accept the result, and once again they will actively hope, and do whatever they can (thankfully in most cases little) to ensure, that her time in office is a failure.0
-
Simon Danczuk is a clown of the first order whereas Naz Shah was just silly.MP_SE said:
Labour is an anti-Semitic party so anyone caught being anti-Semitic is treated leniently.Pauly said:Is anyone else irked that Simon Danczuk is still suspended from Labour for legally (albeit ill judged) sending explicit texts to a 17 year old...
...yet Naz Shah circulates anti-semitic hate speech and is fast tracked back into the party. Pathetic.0 -
There would be 50 letters in and a new leadership election within a minutes. Except this time they'll split 100-100 between two acceptable candidates...Luckyguy1983 said:If Leadsom wins, a slim possibility, but still possible, again the twitterati will be shocked, apalled, astonished - but HOW could this happen when twitter went mad over that awful interview? HOW could the Tories have elected this bigoted, Bible-bashing, incompetent, tea-lady dressed as director? They're bubbling themselves up with visceral hatred for someone totally inoffensive, and once again demonising their opponents rather than attempting to understand or even convince them. And if she wins, once again they won't accept the result, and once again they will actively hope, and do whatever they can (thankfully in most cases little) to ensure, that her time in office is a failure.
0 -
Whether or not the establishment is on your side is the determining factor of whether you are part of the establishment. A Trade Union leader could be an establishment figure; an earl could be an anti-establishment figure. A privileged background correlates strongly with being part of the establishment, but is not the same thing.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?0 -
I'm sure she'll be providing a list of these loads shortly.williamglenn said:0 -
I don't think so.Pauly said:
There would be 50 letters in and a new leadership election within a minutes. Except this time they'll split 100-100 between two acceptable candidates...Luckyguy1983 said:If Leadsom wins, a slim possibility, but still possible, again the twitterati will be shocked, apalled, astonished - but HOW could this happen when twitter went mad over that awful interview? HOW could the Tories have elected this bigoted, Bible-bashing, incompetent, tea-lady dressed as director? They're bubbling themselves up with visceral hatred for someone totally inoffensive, and once again demonising their opponents rather than attempting to understand or even convince them. And if she wins, once again they won't accept the result, and once again they will actively hope, and do whatever they can (thankfully in most cases little) to ensure, that her time in office is a failure.
0 -
As a member of the ruling party and Minister of State for Energy, she is the establishment. Leadsom’s problems are entirely self-inflicted, so in a rather odd way, you’re correct.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment. [snip]
. 0 -
What a shambles....0
-
The leaders of the Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and Green party were all against LEAVE. The Government was against LEAVE, the CBI was against LEAVE, the IMF was against LEAVE the leaders of the USA, Germany and France were against LEAVE.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?
May is the REMAIN candidate. Leadsom is the LEAVE candidate. Which is the establishment candidate?0 -
People use the term to mean whatever the hell they like - like mainstream media.Luckyguy1983 said:
Whether or not the establishment is on your side is the determining factor of whether you are part of the establishment. A Trade Union leader could be an establishment figure; an earl could be an anti-establishment figure. A privileged background correlates strongly with being part of the establishment, but is not the same thing.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?
I automatically tune out talk of 'the establishment' being against someone, because 99 times out of 100 it will be a cynical tactic to appeal to people who want to feel they are fighting against 'the establishment' even though if the person wins, they will be just as much a part of it as anyone else.
Without meaning to be too harsh, I regard use of it to be, again 99 times out of 100, as pure political gibberish, and cynically exploitative as well.
Have a great day everyone.0 -
Plenty of Leavers, MPs and Press, are on May's side now, and May is a Leaver now too.David_Evershed said:
The leaders of the Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP and Green party were all against LEAVE. The Government was against LEAVE, the CBI was against LEAVE, the IMF was against LEAVE the leaders of the USA, Germany and France were against LEAVE.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?
May is the REMAIN candidate. Leadsom is the LEAVE candidate. Which is the establishment candidate?
There is no establishment candidate or they both are. People are looking for a hook to support Leadsom, and are trying to keep the Leave vs Remain fight going (see reference to Remainstream media from some idiots) when the fight now is who is the best option for PM and who has the best option for Brexit.
If people think that is Leadsom, fine, but it's not because she's anti establishment or because she is a Leaver. To label her the former would be a cynical PR exercise. The latter may be more relevant if one fears May won't execute Brexit or has the wrong Brexit plan.
If it matters I am a Leaver as well.0 -
Not this weekend, was at one on Thursday sampled 15 people. 11 definitely May, 3 undecided but leaning May, 1 undecided not leaning either way. For clarity referendum wise they broke 13:2 Leave.MikeL said:Anyone on here attending a Conservative members events this weekend - surely lots of stuff should be happening at this time of year. Would be very helpful to see the results of any straw polls on the leadership contest.
0 -
It isn't about twitter going mad, it is about evidence piling up of thickness and incompetence. As to the other line you seem to be plugging about May being unnoticeable for 6 years at the H.O., I doubt Leadsom could run the H.O. for 6 weeks without coming to public notice, and not in a good way.Luckyguy1983 said:If Leadsom wins, a slim possibility, but still possible, again the twitterati will be shocked, apalled, astonished - but HOW could this happen when twitter went mad over that awful interview? HOW could the Tories have elected this bigoted, Bible-bashing, incompetent, tea-lady dressed as director? They're bubbling themselves up with visceral hatred for someone totally inoffensive, and once again demonising their opponents rather than attempting to understand or even convince them. And if she wins, once again they won't accept the result, and once again they will actively hope, and do whatever they can (thankfully in most cases little) to ensure, that her time in office is a failure.
Storm in a tea cup though. The net effect of all this on the relevant electorate will be: Leadsom safe pair of hands on inheritance tax, May leaving it all to the dogs home anyway.0 -
Quite right - 'anti-establishment' is just modish drivel used by mediocrities with no other selling point.kle4 said:
People use the term to mean whatever the hell they like - like mainstream media.Luckyguy1983 said:
Whether or not the establishment is on your side is the determining factor of whether you are part of the establishment. A Trade Union leader could be an establishment figure; an earl could be an anti-establishment figure. A privileged background correlates strongly with being part of the establishment, but is not the same thing.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?
I automatically tune out talk of 'the establishment' being against someone, because 99 times out of 100 it will be a cynical tactic to appeal to people who want to feel they are fighting against 'the establishment' even though if the person wins, they will be just as much a part of it as anyone else.
Without meaning to be too harsh, I regard use of it to be, again 99 times out of 100, as pure political gibberish, and cynically exploitative as well.
Have a great day everyone.0 -
I don't think you've been too harsh, I think you've just failed to understand the term. Have a great day too.kle4 said:
People use the term to mean whatever the hell they like - like mainstream media.Luckyguy1983 said:
Whether or not the establishment is on your side is the determining factor of whether you are part of the establishment. A Trade Union leader could be an establishment figure; an earl could be an anti-establishment figure. A privileged background correlates strongly with being part of the establishment, but is not the same thing.kle4 said:
Leadsom is as establishment as May, she just has less of it on her side as she has less experience. And being attacked doesn't make you right, you can be attacked justifiably.David_Evershed said:Leadsom is under attack from the establishment.
She is fighting back.
They don't like it up 'em.
The joy people have in declaring people anti-establishment is one of the most baffling things in politics I've ever seen. Remember Jeb Bush declaring himself an outsider?
I automatically tune out talk of 'the establishment' being against someone, because 99 times out of 100 it will be a cynical tactic to appeal to people who want to feel they are fighting against 'the establishment' even though if the person wins, they will be just as much a part of it as anyone else.
Without meaning to be too harsh, I regard use of it to be, again 99 times out of 100, as pure political gibberish, and cynically exploitative as well.
Have a great day everyone.0 -
You just have to hope that the Chicken Coup rebels actually have a plan for what they will do if/when Corbyn is re-elected by the membership. Surely, I think, they wouldn't put the party through all this without some kind of end game already mapped out. What sort of politician would go blindly into something without any strategy?SouthamObserver said:
What Eagle's announcement does is trigger the process. It may turn out that as part of that process the leader needs to get nominations too. If that is the case Corbyn is finished, as is the hard left in the Labour party.AlastairMeeks said:The challenge is needed, if only to clarify that staying in the Labour party is a doomed cause for those who aspire to be in government.
If not, you are right. Labour will split into the national party and the PLP. That creates so many fascinating possibilities that it's had to know where to start.
On leadership, what strikes me is how thin the 'qualifications' appear to be for serious consideration as a potential national leader, nowadays. Leadsom is up for PM solely because she managed to stand in a TV studio for forty minutes and come across as friendly and reasonably competent whilst remembering to say "take back control" every five minutes. Eagle is up for PM-in-waiting because she managed to get through a single PMQs and look marginally more clued up than Corbyn and marginally more human than Osborne.
It is enough to make me think of retiring somewhere warm and sunny.0 -
Just an ad hoc meeting in the local CC car park while shopping earlier. 6 members, 2 undecided, 3 May, 1 Leadsom.MikeL said:Anyone on here attending a Conservative members events this weekend - surely lots of stuff should be happening at this time of year. Would be very helpful to see the results of any straw polls on the leadership contest.
0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9982157/Margaret-Thatcher-Yes-I-wish-I-saw-more-of-my-children.-But-I-cant-regret.html
Thatcher - “Any woman who understands the problems of running a home will be nearer to understanding the problems of running a country.”
Did this article generate outrage at the time?0 -
-
The things that cause the outrage mob these days can for as little as putting your recycling in the wrong bin. We rarely have outrage over policy.Pauly said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9982157/Margaret-Thatcher-Yes-I-wish-I-saw-more-of-my-children.-But-I-cant-regret.html
Thatcher - “Any woman who understands the problems of running a home will be nearer to understanding the problems of running a country.”
Did this article generate outrage at the time?0 -
13:2 in favour of leave? or against?ToryJim said:
Not this weekend, was at one on Thursday sampled 15 people. 11 definitely May, 3 undecided but leaning May, 1 undecided not leaning either way. For clarity referendum wise they broke 13:2 Leave.MikeL said:Anyone on here attending a Conservative members events this weekend - surely lots of stuff should be happening at this time of year. Would be very helpful to see the results of any straw polls on the leadership contest.
0 -
Wonder what is going on there.SouthamObserver said:0 -
In favour.TheWhiteRabbit said:
13:2 in favour of leave? or against?ToryJim said:
Not this weekend, was at one on Thursday sampled 15 people. 11 definitely May, 3 undecided but leaning May, 1 undecided not leaning either way. For clarity referendum wise they broke 13:2 Leave.MikeL said:Anyone on here attending a Conservative members events this weekend - surely lots of stuff should be happening at this time of year. Would be very helpful to see the results of any straw polls on the leadership contest.
0 -
You're right that this 'strategy' does at least provide some explanation for why the rebels are going down this path. But what would be the consequences for the parliamentary party being seen to dethrone Corbyn using a legal loophole, and so effectively declare war on thousands of their own members and activists?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure, but I think it'll be the secretary general first off. His decision could be challenged to the NEC. Then it would go to the courts. However, there may be an issue about whether the courts are competent to judge in such a case as the Labour party could be seen as a private members club or association.rottenborough said:
So, the future of the Labour could be decided by the courts. Truly surreal. Somebody will have to rule on the automatic/not automatic status of Corbyn. Is it NEC? Or will it require a court?SouthamObserver said:
What Eagle's announcement does is trigger the process. It may turn out that as part of that process the leader needs to get nominations too. If that is the case Corbyn is finished, as is the hard left in the Labour party.AlastairMeeks said:The challenge is needed, if only to clarify that staying in the Labour party is a doomed cause for those who aspire to be in government.
If not, you are right. Labour will split into the national party and the PLP. That creates so many fascinating possibilities that it's had to know where to start.0 -
Sophie Ridge from Sky deleted one last night - I think she called her vilewilliamglenn said:0 -
No points to anyone who uses the word "renew" when discussing the nuclear weapons vote. What a propaganda word that is!
The British government paid more than £30 billion for the wars it lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, helping to kill hundreds of thousands of people and making 5 million people into refugees. Very profitable for some.
Now there will be a vote in the House of "Commons" on whether the same regime should spend at least £200 billion on contracts to spruce up its nuclear weapons systems, including paying for new submarines from which it can destroy foreign cities by firing US-made and US-serviced intercontinental missiles carrying nuclear warheads.
Meanwhile foodbanks proliferate in the home country.
How about saying NO?
0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Interesting qualifying, although the stewards were too lax with track limits. Need to check the weather forecast for the race.0 -
I think you're confusing me with one of the loony tunes who support Leadsom. Isn't it enough that my MP - Peter Lilley is banging the drum for the new "Mother of the Nation".MonikerDiCanio said:So having children is now a crime, it had to happen. That notorious hate site, Mumsnet, is living on borrowed time.
0 -
Indeed so.anotherDave said:There's a video of Ms Leadsom's statement on the ITV website.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-09/andrea-leadsom-disgusted-by-times-article/
Who exactly is giving Leadsom media advice? .... Chris Grayling from Team May !!
0
