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I've a average record of forecasting but Leadsom has a chance.Danny565 said:
Well, in last year's Labour contest, Labourlist right from the early stages had Corbyn winning their "voodoo polls" by landslides and adulation from the comments sections.DaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
At the beginning of the contest, that was all dismissed as an unrepresentative sample of the membership....0 -
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Yes but IDS led the polls which were taken of Tory members in 2001, now May does. Tory members are also electing the PM, in 2001 Tory members were not electing IDS to be PM nor were Labour members when they elected Corbyn, becoming opposition leader after a term out of power is not the same as becoming the leader of the countryDanny565 said:
Well, in last year's Labour contest, Labourlist right from the early stages had Corbyn winning their "voodoo polls" by landslides and adulation from the comments sections.DaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
At the beginning of the contest, that was all dismissed as an unrepresentative sample of the membership....0 -
I suppose if Leadsom wins, Cameron could decide he doesn't fancy resigning as PM after all...0
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Good grief, I'd forgotten about the Nat Onal. Does it make a profit?Scott_P said:0 -
That's brilliant. Looks like a good newspaper. How is it doing commercially? Brave to enter an awful market, but I sense it has found a niche?Scott_P said:0 -
But Con Home's poll had May and Leadsom almost tied.DaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
And the YouGov poll of Con members had May beating Leadsom 2:1.
Anything could happen and as a May supporter I'm extremely nervous - but have to think that having every newspaper on her side must help May at least to some degree.
Plus literally every well known name in the party will be supporting her - and presumably we can look forward to some news management - ie the likes of Major, Heseltine, Hague etc will all declare their support for her at various times to make the best possible impact.
So Leadsom has got a lot to battle against.0 -
It's a good line, and plays on worries many have even about May as a good choice, even if somewhat undercut by the knowledge that Jesus could be up for PM and the National would reach the same conclusion.Scott_P said:0 -
Con home is not representative of the membershipDaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
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OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?0
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Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump! A Thatcher and Reagan love affair in in the makingnot_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
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Ronaldo, no question...MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
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I have no idea if the Nat onal makes any money. Clearly someone is paying for it0
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Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose MayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Con home is not representative of the membershipDaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
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I want France to win because Portugal have played shockingly poor football. The match vs Croatia was the worst game that I have seen in ages.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
France winning would be good for football.0 -
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.0 -
Do the members at large really know enough about Leadsom that their hearts want her already? I can see them developing that, depending on how blandly May does in the next few months, but now? It's odd.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose MayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Con home is not representative of the membershipDaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
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Not this one - UKIP are toxicDaveDave said:
Nah! Tory members like UKIP. Think Corbyn and Labour party. Members are the extremists.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure that they will help her. She needs to distance herself from UKIPHaroldO said:
Leave.eu are already shifting into high gear supporting her, the more papers that back May the stronger the "anti-establishment" line will get pushed. For a former banker.....wait, that worked recently...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Apart from the express is there any other paper that will back LeadsomScott_P said:@gabyhinsliff: So she's now got the Sun, the Mail and ConHome endorsements. Fwiw. https://t.co/bQdAG5CW79
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PB is looking pretty united in support of France on Sunday...
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France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
Interesting.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?0 -
If rcs1000 had used "the German team" in his sentence then it would be appropriate to use "have", but he is using "Germany" in the sense of the team representing the singular nation.Mortimer said:0 -
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
That's why podemos failed. Probably.....rcs1000 said:Spain is my favourite EU country. Why?
Because when I go there, I find a country that has gone from poverty stricken fascist dictatorship when I was born, to modern bustling economy with some of the best companies in Europe.
Yes, I hang around with the 'elites'. Most 'elites' think they deserve to be there. In Spain, the people who run the companies still marvel at their good fortune. There's a humbleness lacking in (say) the French or the Italians (or even the Brits). Underneath it all is a fear that, if they're not careful, there'll be another Franco.0 -
@FergusonBen: Heard about Neil Kinnock's 'barnstorming' speech? In it's full, crappy audio glory, here it is: https://t.co/2Qqd1muXSV0
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Oh TSE - for 5 minutes we were united!TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
I guess Labour are happy with opposition as long as they have purity.DaemonBarber said:0 -
Remember when they said politics was boring?0
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France are our oldest allies. That's why it's called the Auld Alliance...TheScreamingEagles said:France.
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
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Easy. Ronaldo.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
But the ideal outcome is that he follows in the footsteps of his namesake in the 1998 World Cup final in the same venue and then Portugal win it without him.0 -
The significance is that he was talking of Conhome which is not representative of all memberskle4 said:
Do the members at large really know enough about Leadsom that their hearts want her already? I can see them developing that, depending on how blandly May does in the next few months, but now? It's odd.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose MayBig_G_NorthWales said:
Con home is not representative of the membershipDaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
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LOL yeah, because swing voters are really going to decide who to vote for on the basis of whether the charisma bombshell John Woodcock is an MP.nunu said:
I guess Labour are happy with opposition as long as they have purity.DaemonBarber said:0 -
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welshkle4 said:
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
LOL. You've just self-identified as a hater and now you can't believe we're having this conversation ...TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
ThreeQuidder said:
Easy. Ronaldo.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
But the ideal outcome is that he follows in the footsteps of his namesake in the 1998 World Cup final in the same venue and then Portugal win it without him. 0 -
It's an endorsement for May - the candidate the sane and electable wing of the Labour Party fearScott_P said:Interesting.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?0 -
I admire German efficiency but it can be boring, a France v Portugal clash will be full of Latin flair and passion with Ronaldo the added edge!Mortimer said:
Defintely Ronaldo. Always have to support the home team when your own teams (I'm part English, part Welsh and part Norn Irish)...MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
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He seems as angry about Tony Benn and his gang as if it happened yesterday.Scott_P said:@FergusonBen: Heard about Neil Kinnock's 'barnstorming' speech? In it's full, crappy audio glory, here it is: https://t.co/2Qqd1muXSV
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France. Great, great country. Europhile pioneer. There is no contest.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
Vive la France.
Allez les Bleus.0 -
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.0 -
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
Yes, because the 90's were sooo much fun for Welsh rugby fans residing in England.....TheScreamingEagles said:
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welshkle4 said:
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:
Higher chance of that than being FM I suppose. Sadly.
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I always support the Home Nations, though they do not always pay England the same courtesy admittedly.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welshkle4 said:
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
I feel kind of sorry for him. He sounds so passionate as he talked about no splits and no retreat, but it does seem as though they have all backed down. Corbyn as won, but they can't leave either.Scott_P said:@FergusonBen: Heard about Neil Kinnock's 'barnstorming' speech? In it's full, crappy audio glory, here it is: https://t.co/2Qqd1muXSV
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Leadsom has IDS and Howard and Norman Tebbit backing her ie two living former Tory leaders and Thatcher's right hand man, she is not entirely short of heavyweight support herselfMikeL said:
But Con Home's poll had May and Leadsom almost tied.DaveDave said:On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
And the YouGov poll of Con members had May beating Leadsom 2:1.
Anything could happen and as a May supporter I'm extremely nervous - but have to think that having every newspaper on her side must help May at least to some degree.
Plus literally every well known name in the party will be supporting her - and presumably we can look forward to some news management - ie the likes of Major, Heseltine, Hague etc will all declare their support for her at various times to make the best possible impact.
So Leadsom has got a lot to battle against.0 -
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
Thank You, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
The voice of reason.0 -
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UKkle4 said:
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UKkle4 said:
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
A lot of what has happened on previous threads has become clearer to me tonight!Jobabob said:
France. Great, great country. Europhile pioneer. There is no contest.TheScreamingEagles said:
France.MTimT said:OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
Vive la France.
Allez les Bleus.
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I look forward to being told the newspaper endorsements of May mean nothing, establishment scaremongering, when many backed Leave so much.0
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It's funny to see that Andrea Leadsom is being criticised for "setting up" a school exchange project with a Christian centre in Uganda, which is jointly run by "an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”":
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsoms-ugandan-project-has-ties-to-an-anti-gay-chri
The irony is that it looks as though Leadsom's role in organising the project may be yet another "embellishment" on her part. According to Hansard (2013), she claimed that she'd set up the project in 2006 with Richard Johnson. But an article dated 2007 on her website relates how she and Andrew Mitchell visited Campion School and were told about the project by Johnson. Not a word about any prior involvement by Leadsom herself!
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/campion-school-helping-ugandan-children/590 -
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....0 -
Yvette cooper is anything but sane, not an endorsement you'd want.Jobabob said:
It's an endorsement for May - the candidate the sane and electable wing of the Labour Party fearScott_P said:Interesting.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?0 -
Leadsom has dropped to 4.6 whilst I have been away from the computer.0
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I have cashed out. This is only going one way.rottenborough said:Leadsom has dropped to 4.6 whilst I have been away from the computer.
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When Sir Christopher Wren built St Paul's Cathedral, he worked from a design sketched by Andrea Leadsom on the packet of 20 Silk Cut.Chris said:It's funny to see that Andrea Leadsom is being criticised for "setting up" a school exchange project with a Christian centre in Uganda, which is jointly run by "an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”":
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsoms-ugandan-project-has-ties-to-an-anti-gay-chri
The irony is that it looks as though Leadsom's role in organising the project may be yet another "embellishment" on her part. According to Hansard (2013), she claimed that she'd set up the project in 2006 with Richard Johnson. But an article dated 2007 on her website relates how she and Andrew Mitchell visited Campion School and were told about the project by Johnson. Not a word about any prior involvement by Leadsom herself!
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/campion-school-helping-ugandan-children/590 -
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.kle4 said:
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UKkle4 said:
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence0 -
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wireJobabob said:
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....0 -
I think you're quite mad.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
I agree with that HYUFD*HYUFD said:
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wireJobabob said:
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
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You have to think out of the box in politics todayRodCrosby said:
I think you're quite mad.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:0 -
I see those nice people at Ladbrokes have paid out on the May/Leadsom final which I pointed to at 1.8 (4/5 in old money) last Friday.
On the main gig, I'm certainly not laying off my May position at the current 1.29-1.31. I reckon fair odds should be something like 1.05.0 -
That's an embellishment worthy of Leadsom.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire'kle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
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My worry is that the same things, in essence, were said last time, and yes we won and it was 55-45 in the end, but the effectiveness would be blunted a second time. The fundamental problem was not enough people, in Scotland, England and I presume Wales, who genuinely have passion for our Union (NI seems more solid on that regard, while also having a large nationalist element), and so even with those warnings 45% wanting out was a worrying amount to me, and with the differences between us seemingly made even starker, with Union leaning papers and Scottish Labour people talking seriously about the prospect of Sindy2, I fear enough will switch to decide to take the risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.kle4 said:
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UKkle4 said:
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will be our third female conservative pmDaemonBarber said:
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.0 -
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....0
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Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.Mortimer said:Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
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George Galloway is, in these new political times, speaking some words that appeal to me.
Edit: And then he blew it with something about BoJo.0 -
Tell me it 'aint so.foxinsoxuk said:
I have cashed out. This is only going one way.rottenborough said:Leadsom has dropped to 4.6 whilst I have been away from the computer.
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Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
My worry is that the same things, in essence, were said last time, and yes we won and it was 55-45 in the end, but the effectiveness would be blunted a second time. The fundamental problem was not enough people, in Scotland, England and I presume Wales, who genuinely have passion for our Union (NI seems more solid on that regard, while also having a large nationalist element), and so even with those warnings 45% wanting out was a worrying amount to me, and with the differences between us seemingly made even starker, with Union leaning papers and Scottish Labour people talking seriously about the prospect of Sindy2, I fear enough will switch to decide to take the risk.
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.
The Welsh absolutely have no intention of holding a referendum on independence. It would be lost by 90 - 10%. There is no appetite for it at all
In Scotland the fishermen will be delighted to be out of Europe and 40% of Scots voted leave.
On the assumption we are successful when we have our freedom the narrative in Scotland may well change. Remember I am married to a Scot, lived there for many years, and have many Scot relatives in the North East Fishing communities and well remember the time when the conservatives were a force to be reckoned with0 -
All those active Leavers in Brighton?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.Mortimer said:Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
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It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!Jobabob said:
I agree with that HYUFD*HYUFD said:
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wireJobabob said:
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...0 -
BroxtoweLabour @broxtowelabournunu said:
I guess Labour are happy with opposition as long as they have purity.DaemonBarber said:
Over 120 members at our meeting tonight, with a wide-ranging debate and a vote of confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.
This is Broxtowe, Nick P's old haunt, a seat only won from years of Tory rule by New Labour.0 -
'Balanced audience', innit?Mortimer said:
All those active Leavers in Brighton?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.Mortimer said:Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
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Well he did proclaim we had 'got our freedom back' the day after the referendum but yes maybe a little exaggeration, I don't think even Trump will be aiming nukes at Brussels just yet (maybe give it a year or two)williamglenn said:
That's an embellishment worthy of Leadsom.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire'kle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.0 -
Tom Tugundhat is very impressive.0
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Music to Anna Soubry's earsrottenborough said:
BroxtoweLabour @broxtowelabournunu said:
I guess Labour are happy with opposition as long as they have purity.DaemonBarber said:
Over 120 members at our meeting tonight, with a wide-ranging debate and a vote of confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.
This is Broxtowe, Nick P's old haunt, a seat only won from years of Tory rule by New Labour.0 -
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.Richard_Nabavi said:
'Balanced audience', innit?Mortimer said:
All those active Leavers in Brighton?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.Mortimer said:Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
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I always guessed your real name was Horatio Yossarian Ulysses Florian Delauncet.HYUFD said:
It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!Jobabob said:
I agree with that HYUFD*HYUFD said:
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wireJobabob said:
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.HYUFD said:
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP conventionkle4 said:
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?HYUFD said:
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!not_on_fire said:How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...0 -
The audience has been stuffed with busloads of activists from er, Hove, actually…Richard_Nabavi said:
'Balanced audience', innit?Mortimer said:
All those active Leavers in Brighton?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.Mortimer said:Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
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Ian Hislop just said Charlie Falconer has resigned from the shadow cabinet? Can anyone confirm?0
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Breaking QT news - Ian Hislop has confirmed that Charlie Falconer has resigned from the shadow cabinet....
(With quite a good joke, too!)0 -
the single most important reason theresa May must be the next leader of the Conservative party.
At PMQs, it would be Tezza v Jezza
This must happen...0 -
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.rottenborough said:As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.0 -
Hislop becoming completely deranged.0
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What is the origin of the Charlie Falconer meme? Just curiousDanny565 said:Ian Hislop just said Charlie Falconer has resigned from the shadow cabinet? Can anyone confirm?
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The first rule of PB memes.....not_on_fire said:L
What is the origin of the Charlie Falconer meme? Just curiousDanny565 said:Ian Hislop just said Charlie Falconer has resigned from the shadow cabinet? Can anyone confirm?
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@RuthDavidsonMSP: Here's why I believe @TheresaMay2016 is the best Prime Minister for our party, our country and the road ahead.
https://t.co/YZ19Mbghlx0 -
Love how one of the main attack lines by the MSM on Leadsom is her failure to vote for gay marriage. More Primrose Hill polling, that.0
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Also - forgot to thank Harry for the thread, as ever, but also for the Remain/Leave adaptation!0
