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Last was when he beat Murray here in 2012, although he's made a few finals since.Morris_Dancer said:Surprising that Federer's still going strong. Little while since his last Slam, though?
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Wimbledon 2012, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Surprising that Federer's still going strong. Little while since his last Slam, though?
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The rumour is (according to Guido) that May would rather face Leadsom.MikeL said:If R1 is say:
May 150
Leadsom 70
Gove 50
Crabb 40
Fox 20
Once Fox and Crabb drop out then R3 (without any tactical voting) would be approx.:
May 180
Leadsom 90
Gove 60
So May has easily enough scope to lever Gove into 2nd - if she wants to.
But Crabb must go out 4th.0 -
Belated Mother's Day giftMikeSmithson said:
Is this part of your genetic research - or you want to take pictures of Wimbledon Station?Sunil_Prasannan said:Will be in the Centre Court crowd on Monday
I first visited Wimbledon station way back during season 1994/5, though didn't take pics until 2008.0 -
@saddened
from the last thread, I think the worse personal thing I said about Plato was it was nice to have period without her around, and then I apologised, and said it was badly done. Apart from calling seanT a narcissist, stating the bleeding obvious, I don't think I've made a personal attack on another poster. And you call me out for that attack which was really quite mild compared to some of the stuff you read here.
Admittedly, I do make personal attacks on political figures- but usually more on my side of the fence. Nick Palmer has called me out for some of the things I've said about Corbyn. I had a go at Gove yesterday which actually I felt was too low on reflection.
But mostly, I make loaded polemical arguments- I make them forcibly, and for that I get countless personal attacks, all of which I take without responding back in kind. I know that I am winding people up, so I accept the responses. But I think there is is space on this site for a lefty, open minded, verbally robust, polemicist who is genuinely interested in ideas.
I often compliment people on the site, if they make witty posts, or write well, or are proved right, irrespective of their political views. And I often reach out to other posters who engage with me.
I don't think there is anyone who has met me, worked with me or who knows me would describe me as "not a nice person." Maybe behind my back, but invariably I have encountered the opposite.0 -
Well he was encouraged to do so by some of his Wikileaks mates and he had met Russian officials in Hong Kong before his flight to Moscow.MyBurningEars said:
A couple of days ago I noticed this BBC news story: "Snowden: Russian data collection plans 'dangerous'":Y0kel said:Off thread.
Edward Snowden may get a lot of new pairs of underpants. The Russians have acknowledged he was an intelligence asset.
If they are saying that, they are done with him.
Cheerio you peace of s**t.
US whistleblower Edward Snowden has criticised new anti-terrorism legislation approved by Russia's parliament. He wrote on Twitter that the "Big Brother law" was an "unworkable, unjustifiable violation of rights that should never be signed".
Among the new rules are tough punishments for failing to report crime, or inciting terrorism online. It must still be signed into law by Russian president Vladimir Putin.
Mr Snowden, a former contractor for the CIA, fled to Russia in 2013 after leaking details of extensive internet and phone surveillance by the US National Security Agency. Commenting on the law, he wrote: "Mass surveillance doesn't work. This bill will take money and liberty from every Russian without improving safety."
It made me wonder, well, if you really hate government intrusion and surveillance as a threat to freedom and democracy, why the hell did you move to Russia, of all places?
That's not a place to move to if you've got the slightest intention of being dissident or outspoken.
He was a self-righteous fool.0 -
No, it was a home office decision based on the Dustmann report (2003). He estimated 13k A8 migrants p.a. ergo transitional controls not needed. In fairness, the politicians didn't read his caveats about the effect of other countries transitional controls. Germany introduced them, so the Poles came here instead.rottenborough said:
Probably another example of voters actually having no idea what policies are in manifestos. I doubt 1 person in 200 could have told you about transitional controls when it was put before the people (if it even was, I haven't got time to check the early New Lab manifestos).CarlottaVance said:
And who elected New Labour?nunu said:
Blame New Labour not the voters.CarlottaVance said:
Quite. We've made our own bed.....John_M said:In my pre-referendum reading of European think-pieces, it came across clearly that several commentators thought we were bonkers.
We refused transitional controls, neglected to reform our H&W systems and were now throwing our toys out of the pram as poor Eastern Europeans took advantage of the most generous welfare and in-work benefit system in Europe.
*edit* Just checked - all countries bar UK, Ireland and Sweden had transitional controls of one form or another.0 -
Cheers, Mr. Doethur and Dr. Prasannan.
Tricky to bet on the race, but the grid's looking intriguing.0 -
Murray to serve for the match against Aussie Millman 0
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Yes, that's my whole point.Sunil_Prasannan said:Boris had won his fair share of elections:
Two Mayoralties in heavily Labour-leaning London, and a Referendum to boot!
Boris could win elections. But his faith wasn't pure enough for the Brexiteers, so he was executed.
Purity of belief is more important to the cultists than electability.0 -
No. Oddly Churchill went with something like "vote for me to finish the job".SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.BenedictWhite said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?BenedictWhite said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.rottenborough said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.HYUFD said:
Actually much of the EU does have a more contributory benefits system than we do, so that is one thing we can learn from themBenedictWhite said:
I resent the idea of "reforming" our benefits system because the EU is wedded to an ideal that was dreamt up in the 1950s.HYUFD said:
Food vouchers are benefits by another name and what about heating bills, electricity, rental costs etc? In a civilised country I believe everyone should have enough to survive on but to live in any form of comfort requires effortMaxPB said:
It was in the Beverage report and promised by both the Conservatives and Liberals. The Labour manifesto only promised improving public health.
The electorate concluded that as far as they were concerned the job was as finished (war, that is) as far as they were going to finish it, so they'd rather vote for someone who thought the job was finished.0 -
Don't start dancing on the heads of pins again. It would have been born under either labour or cons, all the ground work had been laid.SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.BenedictWhite said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?BenedictWhite said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.rottenborough said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.HYUFD said:
Actually much of the EU does have a more contributory benefits system than we do, so that is one thing we can learn from themBenedictWhite said:
I resent the idea of "reforming" our benefits system because the EU is wedded to an ideal that was dreamt up in the 1950s.HYUFD said:
Food vouchers are benefits by another name and what about heating bills, electricity, rental costs etc? In a civilised country I believe everyone should have enough to survive on but to live in any form of comfort requires effortMaxPB said:
Why? People should be encouraged to save and to workinto work.HYUFD said:
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Evening GIN, hope you are wellGIN1138 said:
You wanna bet?HYUFD said:
Of course she means it, most Tory voters voted Leave, she cannot ignore thatWulfrun_Phil said:
"May has said BREXIT means BREXIT" is not a lot to rely on. She has to say that or she can write off her chances. Whether she means it is another matter.HYUFD said:
Well luckily that is not going to happen is it. May has said BREXIT means BREXIT and was the most popular choice amongst the public for next PM in a yougov poll last week. The referendum was about leaving the EU not then refusing to join EFTA as well!MontyHall said:Imagine what we'd have thought if a country from behind the Iron Curtain had a referendum to decide if it wanted to change the status quo and, when they voted for change, the leader quit, installed a colleague who voted for the status quo, and ignored the outcome of the vote
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You know I'm a LEAVER, but I will agree that he "converted" primarily to try and "Brexecute" his fellow posho Dave....Scott_P said:
Yes, that's my whole point.Sunil_Prasannan said:Boris had won his fair share of elections:
Two Mayoralties in heavily Labour-leaning London, and a Referendum to boot!
Boris could win elections. But his faith wasn't pure enough for the Brexiteers, so he was executed.
Purity of belief is more important to the cultists than electability. 0 -
He's got two pairs of twins to feed!ydoethur said:
Last was when he beat Murray here in 2012, although he's made a few finals since.Morris_Dancer said:Surprising that Federer's still going strong. Little while since his last Slam, though?
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Point of order, Mr. Chairman; Wimbledon Station is a long way from Wimbledon Tennis. The nearest station is of course Southfields.MikeSmithson said:
Is this part of your genetic research - or you want to take pictures of Wimbledon Station?Sunil_Prasannan said:Will be in the Centre Court crowd on Monday
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BRITISH Tennis ace Andy Murray wins in straight sets against Australia's Millman!0
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Observers in the 1940s wouldn't necessarily agree. For example, in 1948 the Times said:SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.Conceived by a Liberal, nurtured by a wartime National coalition under a Conservative Prime Minister and brought to full fruition by a Labour government, the National Health Service can justly claim to be a national institution.
I think personally that's going a bit far, but certainly there were massive extensions to the public health system in the war that Labour built on, including many new free hospitals and much greater provision of medical facilities for the poor necessitated by the health problems arising from rationing.
Oh, and Murray through easily in the end.0 -
How important are each quality to you? Out of 10 lets sayScott_P said:
Yes, that's my whole point.Sunil_Prasannan said:Boris had won his fair share of elections:
Two Mayoralties in heavily Labour-leaning London, and a Referendum to boot!
Boris could win elections. But his faith wasn't pure enough for the Brexiteers, so he was executed.
Purity of belief is more important to the cultists than electability.
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That's right, Mr Llama! We will be heading to Southfields on Monday.HurstLlama said:
Point of order, Mr. Chairman; Wimbledon Station is a long way from Wimbledon Tennis. The nearest station is of course Southfields.MikeSmithson said:
Is this part of your genetic research - or you want to take pictures of Wimbledon Station?Sunil_Prasannan said:Will be in the Centre Court crowd on Monday
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When are these cowardly nobodies going to put up or shutup.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour leadership: Eagle in fresh appeal for Corbyn to quit
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And they say lightning never strikes twicepeter_from_putney said:
He's got two pairs of twins to feed!ydoethur said:
Last was when he beat Murray here in 2012, although he's made a few finals since.Morris_Dancer said:Surprising that Federer's still going strong. Little while since his last Slam, though?
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Ha, ha. It surely can't be that hard to accept a Labour government created the NHS. Google it :-)saddened said:
Don't start dancing on the heads of pins again. It would have been born under either labour or cons, all the ground work had been laid.SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.BenedictWhite said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?BenedictWhite said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.rottenborough said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.HYUFD said:
Actually much of the EU does have a more contributory benefits system than we do, so that is one thing we can learn from themBenedictWhite said:
I resent the idea of "reforming" our benefits system because the EU is wedded to an ideal that was dreamt up in the 1950s.HYUFD said:
Food vouchers are benefits by another name and what about heating bills, electricity, rental costs etc? In a civilised country I believe everyone should have enough to survive on but to live in any form of comfort requires effortMaxPB said:
Why? People should be encouraged to save and to workinto work.HYUFD said:
It was in the Beverage report and p
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Boris Johnson = Margaery Tyrell.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You know I'm a LEAVER, but I will agree that he "converted" primarily to try and "Brexecute" his fellow posho Dave....Scott_P said:
Yes, that's my whole point.Sunil_Prasannan said:Boris had won his fair share of elections:
Two Mayoralties in heavily Labour-leaning London, and a Referendum to boot!
Boris could win elections. But his faith wasn't pure enough for the Brexiteers, so he was executed.
Purity of belief is more important to the cultists than electability.0 -
I'd quite happily call you not a nice person to your face. Your posting history would support me.tyson said:@saddened
from the last thread, I think the worse personal thing I said about Plato was it was nice to have period without her around, and then I apologised, and said it was badly done. Apart from calling seanT a narcissist, stating the bleeding obvious, I don't think I've made a personal attack on another poster. And you call me out for that attack which was really quite mild compared to some of the stuff you read here.
Admittedly, I do make personal attacks on political figures- but usually more on my side of the fence. Nick Palmer has called me out for some of the things I've said about Corbyn. I had a go at Gove yesterday which actually I felt was too low on reflection.
But mostly, I make loaded polemical arguments- I make them forcibly, and for that I get countless personal attacks, all of which I take without responding back in kind. I know that I am winding people up, so I accept the responses. But I think there is is space on this site for a lefty, open minded, verbally robust, polemicist who is genuinely interested in ideas.
I often compliment people on the site, if they make witty posts, or write well, or are proved right, irrespective of their political views. And I often reach out to other posters who engage with me.
I don't think there is anyone who has met me, worked with me or who knows me would describe me as "not a nice person." Maybe behind my back, but invariably I have encountered the opposite.0 -
LOL, not everybody can get their Dad's chum to get them a job , you sound like a real right wing Tory nasty. Next you will be wanting them to wear badges and spend their vouchers in your chums shops..MaxPB said:
Why? People should be encouraged to save and to work. If they have nothing assistance should be provided in the form of food vouchers until they get back into work.HYUFD said:
Agree with much of that but would have a basic minimum for benefits with higher benefits dependent on NI contribution like GermanyMaxPB said:
I think we could do a few things ourselves. We need to axe in working benefits, add English language requirements for certain industries, make benefits contributory. On the EU side we could ask for an EU wide increase in waiting days to a year and have them start only once working status is achieved, or for self employed the first invoice date. I think those two moves alone would drastically reduce unskilled and low paid migration.Charles said:
It needs to be more than a fig leaf. People care more about outcomes than abstracts. Reduce unskilled immigration and people will be fine with FoM I think.MaxPB said:
Those trade deals are going to take a minimum of four years to get off the ground and as @rcs1000 has pointed out on a number of occasions, we need to negotiate from a position of strength. A year long recession followed by rising unemployment isn't the position we want to be looking for trade deals from because other nations will know how desperate we are to sign. Like it or not, 35-38% of our exports go to the EU. We can't face barriers to that trade and lose the income on the hopes of signing non-EU deals in the meantime. It is a fantastical policy position.PlatoSaid said:
NZ offering us their senior trade deal negotiators made my day. We've already 11 countries eyeing our newly independent status. 65 million buyers have said Hiya to the rest of the world.HYUFD said:
The election obviously was not a ringing endorsement of Remain because they lost!! The point is Remain comfortably won inner London and every council area in the inner cityIndigo said:
I assume you are studying for a degree in stating the obviousHYUFD said:
52% voted Leave across the UK, so even 40% is 12% lessnunu said:Brent had 40% voting Leave and is 100% in London. It was meant to be one of the most Remain councils, but the bourgeois Islington and Wandsworth were easily more Remain friendly.
Its still hardly a ringing endorsement of Remain.
What's not to like?
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It's not difficult to accept it would have been introduced under either party Google it.SouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. It surely can't be that hard to accept a Labour government created the NHS. Google it :-)saddened said:
Don't start dancing on the heads of pins again. It would have been born under either labour or cons, all the ground work had been laid.SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.BenedictWhite said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?BenedictWhite said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.rottenborough said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.HYUFD said:
Actually much of the EU does have a more contributory benefits system than we do, so that is one thing we can learn from themBenedictWhite said:
I resent the idea of "reforming" our benefits system because the EU is wedded to an ideal that was dreamt up in the 1950s.HYUFD said:
Food vouchers are benefits by another name and what about heating bills, electricity, rental costs etc? In a civilised country I believe everyone should have enough to survive on but to live in any form of comfort requires effortMaxPB said:
Why? People should be encouraged to save and to workinto work.HYUFD said:
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Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
In the UK the M5 is always dreadful.0 -
That's an interesting question in the light of recent events.MontyHall said:How important are each quality to you? Out of 10 lets say
The pre-Brexit answer to that question is without electability, purity of belief is worthless.
Now, you don't need to win an election for belief to triumph.0 -
Indigo said:
Principles
On 17 Mar 2009:
Theresa May voted against requiring public communications providers retain certain categories of communications data, which they generate or process, for a minimum period of 12 months.On 15 Jul 2014:
Snoopers charters are okay as long as they are not Labour snoopers charters.
Theresa May voted in favour of requiring the mass retention of information about communications, (but not the content of those communications); in favour of arrangements to limit access to such information;
Exactly. May is far from the perfect candidate everyone makes her out to be, she needs to be put under scrutiny.0 -
Angela Eagle attempting to break the world record for hand-wringing.malcolmg said:
When are these cowardly nobodies going to put up or shutup.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour leadership: Eagle in fresh appeal for Corbyn to quit
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Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.0
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The phrase invented here was "Champagne populism" , it hits the nail on the head.John_M said:
It's much duller than that. It's an apparatchik versus a compliance officer. Can't wait for the film of the book.SouthamObserver said:
The Establishment has been blown out of the water. A hedge fund manager takes on a banker in the fight to be our next PM. The little people are on the marchIndigo said:
Yes, or we could have Theresa May a former banker.TheKrakenAwakes said:Andrea Leadsom for PM? That's all we need to unite the country and to restore faith in politics - a former banker and hedge fund manager who used dubious methods to avoid inheritance tax for her kids and stuffed money in off-shore tax havens. I can see that going down well in the marginals!
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Hasn't really sunk in that Djokovic is out, but Beeb is showing the highlights of his match against Querrey.0
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"What first attracted you to the squillionaire Bill Clinton?"williamglenn said:Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.
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Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.Indigo said:
Oh! So they are changing the basis of their legal system, massively slashing their top rates of tax, making it considerably easier to sack people, who knew!Scott_P said:@TelePolitics: Paris opens doors to City of London businesses looking to relocate after Brexit vote https://t.co/0grScvJbnl
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
I think the emotional pressure on Corbyn is the crack in the wall, not some cack about whether he has the members support.0
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Cars all at the same speed tend to get to close to each other and then over brake causing traffic waves.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
In the UK the M5 is always dreadful.
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The NHS introduced by Labour was very different to the reformed health system proposed by the Conservatives and Liberals. Look up National Health Service Act 1946 and its progress through Parliament.saddened said:
It's not difficult to accept it would have been introduced under either party Google it.SouthamObserver said:
Ha, ha. It surely can't be that hard to accept a Labour government created the NHS. Google it :-)saddened said:
Don't start dancing on the heads of pins again. It would have been born under either labour or cons, all the ground work had been laid.SouthamObserver said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.BenedictWhite said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?BenedictWhite said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.rottenborough said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.HYUFD said:
Actually much of the EU does have a more contributory benefits system than we do, so that is one thing we can learn from themBenedictWhite said:
I resent the idea of "reforming" our benefits system because the EU is wedded to an ideal that was dreamt up in the 1950s.HYUFD said:
Food vouchers are benefits by another name and what about heating bills, electricity, rental costs etc? In a civilised country I believe everyone should have enough to survive on but to live in any form of comfort requires effortMaxPB said:
Why? People should be encouraged to save and to workinto work.HYUFD said:
It was in the Beverage report and p
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In theory. In practice it is bollocks. It only works in computer simulations where drivers don't continually brake unnecessarily.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
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His inventive use of cigars?Sunil_Prasannan said:
"What first attracted you to the squillionaire Bill Clinton?"williamglenn said:Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.
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It's like escalators on the tube. The can carry more people faster if nobody walks up and everybody stands right and left.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
In the UK the M5 is always dreadful.0 -
That must have been exceptionally tedious for the unfortunate agents. I find five minutes of her pompous droning is about as much as I can stand.williamglenn said:Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.
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We have managed motorways now where the speeds are restricted. Are you saying they are not working? More and more are being convertedRichard_Tyndall said:In theory. In practice it is bollocks. It only works in computer simulations where drivers don't continually brake unnecessarily.
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saddened said:
Got a link for this? I could do with a bit of cheering upY0kel said:Off thread.
Edward Snowden may get a lot of new pairs of underpants. The Russians have acknowledged he was an intelligence asset.
If they are saying that, they are done with him.
Cheerio you peace of s**t.
How good is your German?
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/edward-snowden/von-russen-als-spion-angeworben-46601344.bild.html
The guy who made the statement has enough connections to know his onions.
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I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
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Another useless loser, will she ever find a backbone.John_M said:
Angela Eagle attempting to break the world record for hand-wringing.malcolmg said:
When are these cowardly nobodies going to put up or shutup.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour leadership: Eagle in fresh appeal for Corbyn to quit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-366938350 -
SouthamObserver said:
Well I could, but as I don't hold it as an article of faith, I'll probably not bother. You've convinced yourself there would be no NHS, if labour had lost in 45. I can't get myself worked up enough to caresaddened said:
The NHS introduced by Labour was very different to the reformed health system proposed by the Conservatives and Liberals. Look up National Health Service Act 1946 and its progress through Parliament.SouthamObserver said:
It's not difficult to accept it would have been introduced under either party Google it.saddened said:
Ha, ha. It surely can't be that hard to accept a Labour government created the NHS. Google it :-)SouthamObserver said:
Don't start dancing on the heads of pins again. It would have been born under either labour or cons, all the ground work had been laid.BenedictWhite said:
Right - so we agree Labour created the NHS. The Tories may have done, but voters clearly didn't trust them to.SouthamObserver said:
Yes.BenedictWhite said:
That would be the NHS establshed by a Labour government?rottenborough said:
Also don't forget the whole NHS and welfare state thing comes from the Liberal/Tory end of the political spectrum not Labour.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't forget though that Beveridge's original plans were contributory. It is subsequent governments who have watered this down.HYUFD said:
ActuallyBenedictWhite said:
Quite. Not to mention the fact that our benefits system is 'wedded to an ideal' dreamt up in the 1940s.
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It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
Three and a half hours is a lot of campaigning to such a small group of voters. I wonder if she converted any of them?ydoethur said:
That must have been exceptionally tedious for the unfortunate agents. I find five minutes of her pompous droning is about as much as I can stand.williamglenn said:Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.
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Will BoJo's column this week be about how Djokovic can still win Wimbledon?0
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German is piss poor but Google translate will jist it enough.Y0kel said:saddened said:
Got a link for this? I could do with a bit of cheering upY0kel said:Off thread.
Edward Snowden may get a lot of new pairs of underpants. The Russians have acknowledged he was an intelligence asset.
If they are saying that, they are done with him.
Cheerio you peace of s**t.
How good is your German?
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/edward-snowden/von-russen-als-spion-angeworben-46601344.bild.html
The guy who made the statement has enough connections to know his onions.
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The best way to see Wimbledon Station is very quickly on a fast train.HurstLlama said:
Point of order, Mr. Chairman; Wimbledon Station is a long way from Wimbledon Tennis. The nearest station is of course Southfields.
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I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.saddened said:
I'd quite happily call you not a nice person to your face. Your posting history would support me.tyson said:@saddened
from the last thread, I think the worse personal thing I said about Plato was it was nice to have period without her around, and then I apologised, and said it was badly done. Apart from calling seanT a narcissist, stating the bleeding obvious, I don't think I've made a personal attack on another poster. And you call me out for that attack which was really quite mild compared to some of the stuff you read here.
Admittedly, I do make personal attacks on political figures- but usually more on my side of the fence. Nick Palmer has called me out for some of the things I've said about Corbyn. I had a go at Gove yesterday which actually I felt was too low on reflection.
But mostly, I make loaded polemical arguments- I make them forcibly, and for that I get countless personal attacks, all of which I take without responding back in kind. I know that I am winding people up, so I accept the responses. But I think there is is space on this site for a lefty, open minded, verbally robust, polemicist who is genuinely interested in ideas.
I often compliment people on the site, if they make witty posts, or write well, or are proved right, irrespective of their political views. And I often reach out to other posters who engage with me.
I don't think there is anyone who has met me, worked with me or who knows me would describe me as "not a nice person." Maybe behind my back, but invariably I have encountered the opposite.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/16/the-tube-at-a-standstill-why-tfl-stopped-people-walking-up-the-escalatorsMikeSmithson said:
It's like escalators on the tube. The can carry more people faster if nobody walks up and everybody stands right and left.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
In the UK the M5 is always dreadful.
The problem is that when people drive, they do not drive in a perfect manner. Imagine the escalator where people are queuing perfectly and one person takes a step back onto a free step, causing the person behind to step back, and the person behind him to takes two steps back out of surprise, falling into the next person behind, and so on.0 -
She's taking soundings ....malcolmg said:
Another useless loser, will she ever find a backbone.John_M said:
Angela Eagle attempting to break the world record for hand-wringing.malcolmg said:
When are these cowardly nobodies going to put up or shutup.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour leadership: Eagle in fresh appeal for Corbyn to quit
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Perhaps she turned them into ardent Republicans?MarqueeMark said:
Three and a half hours is a lot of campaigning to such a small group of voters. I wonder if she converted any of them?ydoethur said:
That must have been exceptionally tedious for the unfortunate agents. I find five minutes of her pompous droning is about as much as I can stand.williamglenn said:Hillary Clinton was interviewed by the FBI for three and a half hours today.
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Quite. It was the sort of thing a SPAD would come up with - pure sophistry. The two lines on the bus were:FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.
- We send the EU £350 million a week.
- Let's fund our NHS instead
They clearly thought they were being clever, as the spending transfer is implicit, not explicit.0 -
In a knockout tournament of mendacity, 350 million a week to the NHS would be the England football team. Brexit causing WWIII would be Italy. Brexit heralding the 'end of Western Civilisation' would be Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
It has been suggested that Angela Eagle is delaying declaring her leadership bid is because of the Chilcott Report, as she voted for the war. I can't remember if she was a cabinet minister at the time, but if she was, surely this was "collective responsibility?"
Anyway it will make no difference because she will be dire as Labour leader. That ITV Referendum Debate showed that.
The Welsh MP, Owen Smith, who is rumoured to run, is a real sarky character. There is clearly some "history" between him and Stephen Crabb, as displayed at the Despatch Box. I just don't think there is any real talent on the Labour benches at the moment, particularly amongst the women. I always thought they would pay the price for their all-women shortlists and it shows.0 -
I think you're taking about a different phenomenon. I'm pretty sure that, in general, lower speeds improve throughput. However, there is a limit to the improvement that can be achieved. Once the traffic density passes a certain threshold, then you do start to get the random freezes that you mention, where small changes in the speed of one vehicle cause ripple effects.JosiasJessop said:
I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
If drivers were perfect you'd probably be right.0 -
The idea of reducing speed limits was to improve air quality to meet EU standards. Since it seems to be causing a lot more congestion on motorways like the M1 I am not sure that it is proving a great success.Scott_P said:
We have managed motorways now where the speeds are restricted. Are you saying they are not working? More and more are being converted
Having worked on motorway maintenance in my youth I am a big fan of speed limits through roadworks. But even when there is no reduction in lanes it still causes severe congestion. A plan to reduce the speed limits on the M1 in South Yorkshire in the late 80s and 90s was abandoned for that reason.0 -
As opposed to stoking up loathing for the elderly and the working classes?AlastairMeeks said:
I thought Remain ran a terrible campaign. I thought Leave's was considerably worse and will poison British politics for years to come as stoking up racial tensions has proven to be a vote winner.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.Indigo said:
Oh! So they are changing the basis of their legal system, massively slashing their top rates of tax, making it considerably easier to sack people, who knew!Scott_P said:@TelePolitics: Paris opens doors to City of London businesses looking to relocate after Brexit vote https://t.co/0grScvJbnl
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.0 -
I think it'd be better if May was chosen by the MPs, without a members' vote. That's because the MPs are at least part of the GB democracy. Tory members aren't. Do ordinary people want a PM who's been chosen by 100,000 Tory party members?
Generally speaking, decision-making throughout British democracy is best left to MPs. That's their job.0 -
I don't remember seeing anything about WW III or the end of Western civilisation plastered on the side of a bus.MTimT said:
In a knockout tournament of mendacity, 350 million a week to the NHS would be the England football team. Brexit causing WWIII would be Italy. Brexit heralding the 'end of Western Civilisation' would be Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
Quite possibly. I've done a quick google and cannot find it - it might have been in an IEEE or another printed magazine.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I think you're taking about a different phenomenon. I'm pretty sure that, in general, lower speeds improve throughput. However, there is a limit to the improvement that can be achieved. Once the traffic density passes a certain threshold, then you do start to get the random freezes that you mention, where small changes in the speed of one vehicle cause ripple effects.JosiasJessop said:
I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
If drivers were perfect you'd probably be right.
Should be a fun thing to model.0 -
Some of the nicest people I've known I've met at Auchentennach Castle ....tyson said:I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
It's just like they never seem to leave ....
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Very interesting, he does indeed look to be in the shit, good.saddened said:
German is piss poor but Google translate will jist it enough.Y0kel said:saddened said:
Got a link for this? I could do with a bit of cheering upY0kel said:Off thread.
Edward Snowden may get a lot of new pairs of underpants. The Russians have acknowledged he was an intelligence asset.
If they are saying that, they are done with him.
Cheerio you peace of s**t.
How good is your German?
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/edward-snowden/von-russen-als-spion-angeworben-46601344.bild.html
The guy who made the statement has enough connections to know his onions.
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If it's done properly then it does work. The problem is when the limits are left on long after the traffic has died down. I regularly get back to the M25 late on a Saturday or Sunday night to find the limits on unnecessarily.Scott_P said:
We have managed motorways now where the speeds are restricted. Are you saying they are not working? More and more are being convertedRichard_Tyndall said:In theory. In practice it is bollocks. It only works in computer simulations where drivers don't continually brake unnecessarily.
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Except in some very fine pies?JackW said:
Some of the nicest people I've known I've met at Auchentennach Castle ....tyson said:I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
It's just like they never seem to leave ....0 -
My boy has done some work on this as part of his electronic engineering course. The base idea is that when one joins a motorway one joins a convoy. From there on it is hands off and the convoy lead (itself computer controlled) takes over control of the acceleration and velocity.JosiasJessop said:
I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
If drivers were perfect you'd probably be right.
It sounds to me like it should work. The best bit is that it would piss off young Darth Eagles whi has previously confessed on here that he ignores motorway regulations and will undertake, overtake and treat the speed limits as advisory as long as it suits him to do so. People driving like complete canutes probably kill more than any automated convoy system will ever do.0 -
Mr. Llama, rather unfair on poor old Canute.0
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Oh, so it's only lying if it's plastered on a bus? You live and learn.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I don't remember seeing anything about WW III or the end of Western civilisation plastered on the side of a bus.MTimT said:
In a knockout tournament of mendacity, 350 million a week to the NHS would be the England football team. Brexit causing WWIII would be Italy. Brexit heralding the 'end of Western Civilisation' would be Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
New Tramlink platforms 10a and 10b opened in November. I managed to catch a tram from platform 10a, but have yet to use 10b.stodge said:
The best way to see Wimbledon Station is very quickly on a fast train.HurstLlama said:
Point of order, Mr. Chairman; Wimbledon Station is a long way from Wimbledon Tennis. The nearest station is of course Southfields.0 -
The operative word being "if".MikeSmithson said:
It's like escalators on the tube. The can carry more people faster if nobody walks up and everybody stands right and left.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.SouthamObserver said:
Norway is horrific. The speed limit is something like 50 mph and quite a few people stick to it, which makes the queues very long and stressful.OllyT said:
I drive up and down to Portugal and Italy and other parts of Europe several times a year and without doubt the driving in the UK is without fail the most miserable, slow and stressful section of every journey by a country mile.edmundintokyo said:
I drove on an English motorway last Autumn. It wasn't particularly busy. You may not be able to do 70 in many places but you spend a lot of time over 50.SeanT said:fpt for Edmund
No, it is. When did you last drive on an English motorway? You have to go many miles up the M1 before you get the first chance to hit the speed limit. There is heavy traffic, always, everywhere.
England has the highest population density in Europe, for a large country. The only other EU country which is higher is Malta.
Have you been to Malta? It's horrible on the main island. Too many towns, too many people. That's where we're headed.
But the other striking thing about it is that you're driving for miles through virtually nothing. You could add more lanes without a lot of serious logistical difficulties. There's very little of the kind of infrastructure you see in genuinely heavily populated areas like extended sections in tunnels or multiple decks stacked on top of each other. The limiting factor for doing this is cost, and that scales great when spread over more users.
The other thing you notice about England if you only drive there once a year, that might get lost to gradualism if you do it all the time, is that the roads are gradually getting better: Bypasses built, single-lane roads getting upgraded to two, etc. So I don't think the process of turning new people into taxes, and taxes into infrastructure, is particularly broken.
In the UK the M5 is always dreadful.
In practice they generally do all sorts of weird stuff.0 -
Connected to the dual-ling of the Tram track right through from Therapia Lane to Wimbledon meaning more trams on Route 4 and much more capacity out of Wimbledon.Sunil_Prasannan said:
New Tramlink platforms 10a and 10b opened in November. I managed to catch a tram from platform 10a, but have yet to use 10b.
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Betting Tip.FrancisUrquhart said:Manx missile wins first stage of tour france
Paddy Power are offering 1/4 odds E/W on the first five places for tomorrows stage.
They have Chris Froome at 125/1.
Caveat emptor but fill your boots.0 -
This is what happens when you sell common sense for identity politics. We all suffer in the end, because ability becomes something to be ashamed of. Better to adhere to a Losers' Charter than to aspire to government.LadyBucket said:It has been suggested that Angela Eagle is delaying declaring her leadership bid is because of the Chilcott Report, as she voted for the war. I can't remember if she was a cabinet minister at the time, but if she was, surely this was "collective responsibility?"
Anyway it will make no difference because she will be dire as Labour leader. That ITV Referendum Debate showed that.
The Welsh MP, Owen Smith, who is rumoured to run, is a real sarky character. There is clearly some "history" between him and Stephen Crabb, as displayed at the Despatch Box. I just don't think there is any real talent on the Labour benches at the moment, particularly amongst the women. I always thought they would pay the price for their all-women shortlists and it shows.
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Hampers dear chap .... hampers ....JosiasJessop said:
Except in some very fine pies?JackW said:
Some of the nicest people I've known I've met at Auchentennach Castle ....tyson said:I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
It's just like they never seem to leave .... 0 -
I believe you have just described a railway. Quick! Patent the idea before someone else thinks of it.HurstLlama said:
My boy has done some work on this as part of his electronic engineering course. The base idea is that when one joins a motorway one joins a convoy. From there on it is hands off and the convoy lead (itself computer controlled) takes over control of the acceleration and velocity.JosiasJessop said:
I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
If drivers were perfect you'd probably be right.
It sounds to me like it should work. The best bit is that it would piss off young Darth Eagles whi has previously confessed on here that he ignores motorway regulations and will undertake, overtake and treat the speed limits as advisory as long as it suits him to do so. People driving like complete canutes probably kill more than any automated convoy system will ever do.0 -
Snoopers charters are okay as long as they are not Labour snoopers charters.nunu said:Indigo said:Principles
On 17 Mar 2009:
Theresa May voted against requiring public communications providers retain certain categories of communications data, which they generate or process, for a minimum period of 12 months.On 15 Jul 2014:
Theresa May voted in favour of requiring the mass retention of information about communications, (but not the content of those communications); in favour of arrangements to limit access to such information;
Exactly. May is far from the perfect candidate everyone makes her out to be, she needs to be put under scrutiny.
Theresa May - tough on criminals, tough on terrorists.
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On the M6 past Birmingham they put the speed limits on when it's quiet and take them off when it's busy.tlg86 said:
If it's done properly then it does work. The problem is when the limits are left on long after the traffic has died down. I regularly get back to the M25 late on a Saturday or Sunday night to find the limits on unnecessarily.Scott_P said:
We have managed motorways now where the speeds are restricted. Are you saying they are not working? More and more are being convertedRichard_Tyndall said:In theory. In practice it is bollocks. It only works in computer simulations where drivers don't continually brake unnecessarily.
If I were a cynic I would wonder whether the M6 Toll had some kind of hookup with the management centre.0 -
Isn't there going to be a trial of this with lorries on the M6 Shap-way? It'll improve fuel efficiency no end by allowing drafting.HurstLlama said:
My boy has done some work on this as part of his electronic engineering course. The base idea is that when one joins a motorway one joins a convoy. From there on it is hands off and the convoy lead (itself computer controlled) takes over control of the acceleration and velocity.JosiasJessop said:
I could swear I've seen research that indicates it's more complex than that in reality (in free-flowing traffic rather than in queues). It was that anything that causes cars to brake can cause a ripple down the chain of cars, with later cars often braking harder due to poor reaction times. If the gap is smaller, the driver behind brakes harder. This is lessened when cars are going faster as they *should* have bigger gaps.FeersumEnjineeya said:Strange. Well-enforced speed limits generally increase throughput of traffic due to the reduction in the braking distance needed between each vehicle.
I think! It sounded slightly counter-intuitive. But since reading it I've thought once or twice whether the momentary traffic jam where the road slows to a stop or crawl for no apparent reason might be down to such a phenomena.
If drivers were perfect you'd probably be right.
It sounds to me like it should work. The best bit is that it would piss off young Darth Eagles whi has previously confessed on here that he ignores motorway regulations and will undertake, overtake and treat the speed limits as advisory as long as it suits him to do so. People driving like complete canutes probably kill more than any automated convoy system will ever do.
But: the lorries still need drivers when off the motorway, so I can't see there being many gains by losing staff.
Also cars wanting to join from a sliproad when one of these convoys (for convenience let's call it a 'train') passes might have difficulty.
P'haps.0 -
Has now dropped to 80/1 but still ridiculous value. He won a very similar finish in the first week last year.Lowlander said:
Betting Tip.FrancisUrquhart said:Manx missile wins first stage of tour france
Paddy Power are offering 1/4 odds E/W on the first five places for tomorrows stage.
They have Chris Froome at 125/1.
Caveat emptor but fill your boots.0 -
Jack- I know you have a penchant for tennis. I put a ton on Roger at 20's pre Wimbledon. Do I stick or twist?JackW said:
Hampers dear chap .... hampers ....JosiasJessop said:
Except in some very fine pies?JackW said:
Some of the nicest people I've known I've met at Auchentennach Castle ....tyson said:I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
It's just like they never seem to leave ....
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I think you're probably smart enough to appreciate the point I'm making.MTimT said:
Oh, so it's only lying if it's plastered on a bus? You live and learn.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I don't remember seeing anything about WW III or the end of Western civilisation plastered on the side of a bus.MTimT said:
In a knockout tournament of mendacity, 350 million a week to the NHS would be the England football team. Brexit causing WWIII would be Italy. Brexit heralding the 'end of Western Civilisation' would be Germany.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.0 -
Mr. Lowlander, don't have a PP account, but those odds are way more generous than Ladbrokes (126 against 67, and with an extra two places).0
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I shall add that had Leave been utterly high-minded, focusing on nothing other than theoretical arguments about sovereignty, you TSE et al would have jeered about what a bunch of amateurs we were, bringing knives to a gunfight.Sean_F said:
As opposed to stoking up loathing for the elderly and the working classes?AlastairMeeks said:
I thought Remain ran a terrible campaign. I thought Leave's was considerably worse and will poison British politics for years to come as stoking up racial tensions has proven to be a vote winner.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.Indigo said:
Oh! So they are changing the basis of their legal system, massively slashing their top rates of tax, making it considerably easier to sack people, who knew!Scott_P said:@TelePolitics: Paris opens doors to City of London businesses looking to relocate after Brexit vote https://t.co/0grScvJbnl
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.0 -
I really do not have clue what the two of you are talking about.JosiasJessop said:
Except in some very fine pies?JackW said:
Some of the nicest people I've known I've met at Auchentennach Castle ....tyson said:I wouldn't call you, or anyone else on this site not a nice person. For all I know you could be Pope Francis using a sock puppet. I've met Nick Palmer who is an exceptionally pleasant man, Roger who has become a friend, Tissue Price, Pulpstar, TSE and Fox- who are all very agreeable.
I think if I met you and you called me not a nice person to my face I'd be really quite shocked to be honest.
It's just like they never seem to leave ....
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I know dualled near Mitcham in 2012, and near Beddington Lane in 2014. I think there still single sections at Mitcham Junction flyover, and near Morden Road.stodge said:
Connected to the dual-ling of the Tram track right through from Therapia Lane to Wimbledon meaning more trams on Route 4 and much more capacity out of Wimbledon.Sunil_Prasannan said:
New Tramlink platforms 10a and 10b opened in November. I managed to catch a tram from platform 10a, but have yet to use 10b.0 -
TBH your old dad must be peculiarly naive if he thought politicians wouldn't indulge in a barefaced lie.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to think of anything quite as blatantly mendacious as Leave's headline "£350m a week for the NHS claim". My old dad simply refused to believe me when I pointed out that we don't actually send £350m a week to the EU; he reckoned that I must be wrong because the politicians wouldn't be allowed to lie about such a thing. He's very glad that he voted Leave and is now looking forward to the vast improvements in the NHS that he now believes are imminent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Of course it was mendacious. Indeed it was outright dishonest.Jobabob said:
As it wasn't utterly mendacious and nakedly racist it has the edge.Sean_F said:
Do you seriously believe your team ran a decent and honest campaign? Your side don't hold the moral high ground here.AlastairMeeks said:
Do feel free to return to it. And I shall continue to feel free to keep pointing out that Leave was dishonest and pandered to xenophobia.John_M said:
Alastair, stop being so...you. I live in one of the least densely populated areas in the UK. You can stack people like cordwood in the SE if that's what pleases y'all.AlastairMeeks said:
Intriguing non-response to a simple question. Obviously worrying about overpopulation is so last week.John_M said:
I think it was more of an off-the-cuff observation. Not every comment has to pertain to Brexit, surely?AlastairMeeks said:
Is this a priority? For the last 6 months Leavers have been telling us that Britain is becoming unsustainably overpopulated. Or is that just the wrong sort of population growth?Mortimer said:
That is, incidentally, an eminently sensible way of incentivising middle class reproduction....rcs1000 said:
France's income tax is nowhere near as bad as we think as every family member adds to your tax threshold. So, someone earning £100,000 with three kids is paying well under 30%.
My view on mass immigration has been based on logistics rather than considering all people unlike me to be untermenschen.
I shall now return to the interesting phenomenon of low fertility in Western countries.
Both campaigns were awful and I wanted both to lose. To try and pretend the Remain campaign was any less dishonest is ridiculous.
I'm probably of his vintage and experience has taught me to take most of what is asserted by such people with a truckload, not a pinch, of salt.
And I was involved in politics for some years!0 -
Yes, anytime we complained about Project Fear we were asked "what did you expect?" I asked my dad what he thinks about the Leave campaign's NHS stuff and he wasn't impressed. But he pointed out that the Yes campaign told blatant lies to the people in 1975 so he doesn't care.Sean_F said:I shall add that had Leave been utterly high-minded, focusing on nothing other than theoretical arguments about sovereignty, you TSE et al would have jeered about what a bunch of amateurs we were, bringing knives to a gunfight.
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Even though its now dropped to 80, based on the profile óf the stage finish, it's hard to see how he can finish outside the top 5. And like I said earlier he won a very similar stage last year.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Lowlander, don't have a PP account, but those odds are way more generous than Ladbrokes (126 against 67, and with an extra two places).
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I always chuckle when heading south on the M6 I see the matrix sign saying "M6 Toll clear".ydoethur said:
On the M6 past Birmingham they put the speed limits on when it's quiet and take them off when it's busy.tlg86 said:
If it's done properly then it does work. The problem is when the limits are left on long after the traffic has died down. I regularly get back to the M25 late on a Saturday or Sunday night to find the limits on unnecessarily.Scott_P said:
We have managed motorways now where the speeds are restricted. Are you saying they are not working? More and more are being convertedRichard_Tyndall said:In theory. In practice it is bollocks. It only works in computer simulations where drivers don't continually brake unnecessarily.
If I were a cynic I would wonder whether the M6 Toll had some kind of hookup with the management centre.0 -
A number of factors would concern me about Federer.tyson said:Jack- I know you have a penchant for tennis. I put a ton on Roger at 20's pre Wimbledon. Do I stick or twist?
1. Fitness - Recent problems may recur given 7 matches to win.
2. Federer has Steve Johnson next and then either Cilic or Nishikori in his quarter of the draw. Raonic the Queens finalist is probable semi- final opponent. All good grass court players
3. Likely in form Murray in final.
Much would depend on your cash out value and whether you're a safety first gambler or like the thrill of the chase. Or a little of both.
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Steady, May hasn't had her Coronation yetScott_P said:
That's an interesting question in the light of recent events.MontyHall said:How important are each quality to you? Out of 10 lets say
The pre-Brexit answer to that question is without electability, purity of belief is worthless.
Now, you don't need to win an election for belief to triumph.0 -
Mr. Tyson, being old didn't stop Antigonus Monopthalmus fighting at the Battle of Ipsus, or Enrico Dandolo leading the Fourth Crusade.0
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