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One of the most haunting Arthurian legends concerns Sir Balin. Merlin had long prophesied that he would “strike a stroke most dolorous that ever man struck”. Shrugging off this particular instance of Project Fear from an expert, Sir Balin entered into a feud with the family of King Pellam. Being pursued by the king through his castle, Sir Balin seized “a marvellous spear strangely wrought” and dealt a fierce blow to the king. The spear turned out to be the spear of destiny that struck Jesus and the blow caused immeasurably wider devastation than Sir Balin could have conceived. Sir Thomas Malory recorded that:
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Yeah, exciting week, but let's not make it a drama that it isn't.
The people have spoken, the EU will be left. Following this a trade deal will be reached which the people will either accept or reject.
The PM being rejected directly on this topic, had to go.
The Labour party has used this as cover to move against their failed leader but it was only a question of when not if.
The world hasn't ended, accommodations will be reached, the world still turns. It's not like 16420 -
I don't see why there would be a general election this year.
The referendum gave the government a policy goal. Mr Cameron had to be replaced, but once the new PM is in place the government has a task to accomplish. A general election would just be an unnecessary distraction.0 -
OT -- America holds its conventions in a couple of weeks, so keep an eye on the VP nominees markets.
Republicans 18 to 21 July
Democrats 25 to 28 July0 -
Golly - two new threads.
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On a Euro denominated basis, judged by stock markets which now seems to be every doom merchants favourite measure, Britain has had one of the better weeks of any European country.0
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''A general election would just be an unnecessary distraction. ''
And unpopular with the electorate, in my view. There's been enough upheaval. Form a government, implement a brexit, and let the voters deliver their view in four years.0 -
Labour down the tubes for good - Bring it on!!0
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Livingstone has announced he's resigning from Labour NEC. As he's suspended, he can't take part to NEC meetings. The replacement according to the 2014 results is Darren Williams from the Left slate
New election for CLP reps on the NEC are due this summer. Last Friday was the deadline for CLPs to submit nominations...but HQ didn't manage to release the final tally yet. We have the last Wednesday figures though0 -
Watching Watson's words about not standing for Leader and whether he challenged Corbyn to resign, two things jumped out at me.
1 - He talked about McDonnell quite a bit. '[McDonnell and Corbyn] are a team' [McDonnell] speaks for Jeremy'. Part of me wondered if that was clever politics, trying to suggest to the Corbynites that changing to McDonnell as leader would not be a big difference and so acceptable to them, and so hopefully convince them to get Corbyn to stand down.
2 - He said the felt one of the prerequisites of being deputy is never wanting to be Leader. Huh? The whole point would be if the Leader is gone, or has to go, you can step up.0 -
I think its very likely that sterling is a massive buy too (I don't have a position because if I'm wrong its a double whammy). The UK has insulated itself against the Euro-begging bowl. Of course full insulation is a way off, but when Greece come to the table, and they will soon, we'll give them precisely what we're obliged to, but not a drachma more.maaarsh said:On a Euro denominated basis, judged by stock markets which now seems to be every doom merchants favourite measure, Britain has had one of the better weeks of any European country.
Mind you keep this a bit hush-hush as a substantial rise in sterling will be rather crap for us.
The smart players mainly look for the next stress point rather than worrying about the last.0 -
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I think it has been the general consensus on here up until now that a Con PM could in practice call a snap GE as Labour could hardly duck the opportunity of a return to power - so Lab MPs would allow the PM to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act.
However, with Lab in all this turmoil, surely Lab "backbench" MPs (ie the vast majority of Lab MPs) would say "No, you can't call a GE right now, until we've sorted ourselves out". They wouldn't have to specify how long that would be but the effect would be to prevent the snap GE.
Going down the other route of actually repealing the FTPA is a non-starter as it couldn't be done rapidly due to the Lords.0 -
fpt. I mean is this it?? This is what we went through, are going through all this for?
So the EEA route Norway has sovereignty over us?Richard_Tyndall said:
If anyone does not accept it then it is vetoed.TOPPING said:
My understanding, and it has lapsed of late, is that EU laws must be accepted or rejected by the EEA before being written into the EEA agreement (or not).Richard_Tyndall said:
Because we cannot be outvoted by anyone if we are in EFTA. There is no QMV and all votes have to be unanimous.TOPPING said:
Not for Richard. He is one of the Enlightened Ones that will happily accept the betrayal of the desires of the majority of the Leave voters (foreigners out) because he sees a more elegant solution in some supposed EEA arrangement.surbiton said:
One was no free movement of people.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have listed the advantages of leaving so many times before that I am not going to bother repeating them for you yet again.surbiton said:
If that is the case, then why Leave ?Richard_Tyndall said:
There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.SeanT said:
But we can't even accept EEA on the terms threatened by France - loss of passporting.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It may well be simple. May and Johnson will say EEA. The new Labour leader, if there is one, might be Stay. There may be an election, but, either way, most of the access to the single market will be retained.SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
Although why being vetoed by Norway is a superior state of affairs to being vetoed by France, or outvoted by France and Poland, is anyone's guess.
Baring betrayal by the politicians we are now on our way out of the EU. This means that the decision on where to proceed must be made on behalf of all the electorate, not just the 23% who have said they would not want the EFTA route.
What happens if Norway and the UK differ on one particular EU law or another being written into the EEA agreement?
Norway has recently done this with proposals to include oil and gas regulation in the EEA Agreement.0 -
It is of course far too early to conclude that Brexit is a disaster. Even the chirpiest Brexiteer, however, would have to concede that the barometer is currently firmly pointing to storm
Yes that's fair.
It will be difficult to craft a decent Leave position, but the Tories seem like they are remaining united, more so than I would have thought, so it can be done.
I think this piece is quite right the key is what is Labour's position to be. It cannot be to not declare article 50 (if that is ever to become someone's position it will not be right now, when it is too early to change track, even if it is ever possible), so what? LDs have the rejoin option, and that's not without problems for Labour to copy. The Tories are coming together to form one. But what options are Labour even considering?0 -
I'd die of laughter if Andy Burnham ran for the leadership again.0
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Boris was born overseas...Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
This was the thread that appeared this morning and then unthreaded. I was about to call a point of order as MrJohnstone had been defrauded of the first position.
I am glad to see we have rerun and he has at last had his say0 -
Yes, one of the parties won't want a GE and will easily find an excuse to prevent one.MikeL said:I think it has been the general consensus on here up until now that a Con PM could in practice call a snap GE as Labour could hardly duck the opportunity of a return to power - so Lab MPs would allow the PM to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act.
However, with Lab in all this turmoil, surely Lab "backbench" MPs (ie the vast majority of Lab MPs) would say "No, you can't call a GE right now, until we've sorted ourselves out". They wouldn't have to specify how long that would be but the effect would be to prevent the snap GE.
Going down the other route of actually repealing the FTPA is a non-starter as it couldn't be done rapidly due to the Lords.
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Boris endorsements are inching up very slowly - but still nowhere near the 100 he was reported to have - at least not publicly anyway.
Per Guido spreadsheet (including the candidate) it's now:
Boris - 38
Crabb - 20
May - 18
Fox - 7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=00 -
Awesome.Richard_Nabavi said:Matt nails it:
//twitter.com/harryph/status/748210650493648896/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw0 -
Your last line is ambiguous to me - are you in the camp the deal needs voting on, or the people will accept or reject it through a GE vote after the fact?asjohnstone said:Yeah, exciting week, but let's not make it a drama that it isn't.
The people have spoken, the EU will be left. Following this a trade deal will be reached which the people will either accept or reject.
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A very fluent summary. Not one I agree with. I feel this would have been more cogent a couple of days ago. People are gradually moving on and looking to the future.0
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No. We would still be free to bring in our regulation for just the UK.TOPPING said:fpt. I mean is this it?? This is what we went through, are going through all this for?
So the EEA route Norway has sovereignty over us?Richard_Tyndall said:
If anyone does not accept it then it is vetoed.TOPPING said:
My understanding, and it has lapsed of late, is that EU laws must be accepted or rejected by the EEA before being written into the EEA agreement (or not).Richard_Tyndall said:
Because we cannot be outvoted by anyone if we are in EFTA. There is no QMV and all votes have to be unanimous.TOPPING said:surbiton said:
One was no free movement of people.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have listed the advantages of leaving so many times before that I am not going to bother repeating them for you yet again.surbiton said:
If that is the case, then why Leave ?Richard_Tyndall said:
There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.SeanT said:
But we can't even accept EEA on the terms threatened by France - loss of passporting.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It may well be simple. May and Johnson will say EEA. The new Labour leader, if there is one, might be Stay. There may be an election, but, either way, most of the access to the single market will be retained.SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
Baring betrayal by the politicians we are now on our way out of the EU. This means that the decision on where to proceed must be made on behalf of all the electorate, not just the 23% who have said they would not want the EFTA route.
What happens if Norway and the UK differ on one particular EU law or another being written into the EEA agreement?
Norway has recently done this with proposals to include oil and gas regulation in the EEA Agreement.0 -
Interesting though isn't it...0
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The comments on the Guardian threads are a poor indication I'm sure, but I reckon those who voted for Corbyn last time are gearing up to vote for him again.
All of which leaves 170-odd labour MPs with a bit of a problem....0 -
Many are under the impression that's been the case for 42 years.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
It won't be over until Falconer goes.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Very sophisticated electorate - they'll be nominating opponents to try and knock others out.MikeL said:Boris endorsements are inching up very slowly - but still nowhere near the 100 he was reported to have - at least not publicly anyway.
Per Guido spreadsheet (including the candidate) it's now:
Boris - 38
Crabb - 20
May - 18
Fox - 7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=00 -
Is there not one Labour MP prepared to do the deed?0
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Burnham and Winteron about to resign then?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
EU says kettles must have boiling temperature of 99-100C. We manufacture kettles with maximum boiling temperature of 98.9C. Norway manufactures kettles with maximum boiling temperature of 99.1C.ManWithThePlan said:
No. We would still be free to bring in our regulation for just the UK.TOPPING said:fpt. I mean is this it?? This is what we went through, are going through all this for?
So the EEA route Norway has sovereignty over us?Richard_Tyndall said:
If anyone does not accept it then it is vetoed.TOPPING said:
My understanding, and it has lapsed of late, is that EU laws must be accepted or rejected by the EEA before being written into the EEA agreement (or not).Richard_Tyndall said:
Because we cannot be outvoted by anyone if we are in EFTA. There is no QMV and all votes have to be unanimous.TOPPING said:surbiton said:
One was no free movement of people.Richard_Tyndall said:
We have listed the advantages of leaving so many times before that I am not going to bother repeating them for you yet again.surbiton said:
If that is the case, then why Leave ?Richard_Tyndall said:
There is no question of accepting EEA membership on any particular terms.SeanT said:
But we can't even accept EEA on the terms threatened by France - loss of passporting.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It may well be simple. May and Johnson will say EEA. The new Labour leader, if there is one, might be Stay. There may be an election, but, either way, most of the access to the single market will be retained.SeanT said:That Credit Suisse prediction is just horrible.
We have to accept this is a major fucking EEA, STAY
The house is catching on fire and we're squabbling in the kitchen about whose turn it is to put out the bins
If we take the EEA route it will be on the current terms including freedom of movement, passporting etc. Those terms are defined by treaty and cannot be changed for any member without being changed for all.
Baring betrayal by the politicians we are now on our way out of the EU. This means that the decision on where to proceed must be made on behalf of all the electorate, not just the 23% who have said they would not want the EFTA route.
What happens if Norway and the UK differ on one particular EU law or another being written into the EEA agreement?
Norway has recently done this with proposals to include oil and gas regulation in the EEA Agreement.
EEA agreement or no EEA agreement?0 -
Will he resign if Corbyn says no or stay on....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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The majority party can trigger a GE by voting against itelf (or indeed simply abstaining) in a vote of confidence. Hell, Labour are doing it, so why shouldn't the Conservatives?0
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Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
Possibly - but he needs 110 to guarantee making the Final.Pulpstar said:
Very sophisticated electorate - they'll be nominating opponents to try and knock others out.MikeL said:Boris endorsements are inching up very slowly - but still nowhere near the 100 he was reported to have - at least not publicly anyway.
Per Guido spreadsheet (including the candidate) it's now:
Boris - 38
Crabb - 20
May - 18
Fox - 7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=0
If he has actually got 110 (and spare on top to do as you say) then he's in the Final which in turn surely means he should be odds on - or at the very worst even money as he must have at the very least a 50:50 shot with the members.
But in fact he's still significantly odds against - implying he doesn't actually have the 110 - and indeed that he must be well short.0 -
Oh FFS. Get on with it.TheScreamingEagles said:Where Eagle dares?
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/7482153259639889920 -
Before 9am "Alastair Meeks on the political and economic crises of breathtaking proportions"
After 5pm. UK stock markets up, some above pre Brexit level
Crisis. what fecking crisis?0 -
Don't worry, it's coming.TCPoliticalBetting said:Before 9am "Alastair Meeks on the political and economic crises of breathtaking proportions"
After 5pm. UK stock markets up, some above pre Brexit level
Crisis. what fecking crisis?0 -
Didn't Portillo effectively guarantee his place in the final two on the back of "endorsements"?MikeL said:
Possibly - but he needs 110 to guarantee making the Final.Pulpstar said:
Very sophisticated electorate - they'll be nominating opponents to try and knock others out.MikeL said:Boris endorsements are inching up very slowly - but still nowhere near the 100 he was reported to have - at least not publicly anyway.
Per Guido spreadsheet (including the candidate) it's now:
Boris - 38
Crabb - 20
May - 18
Fox - 7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=0
If he has actually got 110 (and spare on top to do as you say) then he's in the Final which in turn surely means he should be odds on - or at the very worst even money as he must have at the very least a 50:50 shot with the members.
But in fact he's still significantly odds against - implying he doesn't actually have the 110 - and indeed that he must be well short.
What's the point of a campaign if you have to try and stack up the votes in advance?0 -
Exactly - the time for being coy is over, somebody take the plunge already and step up. One reason I was predisposed to like Liz Kendall when she first announced last time was she didn't pussyfoot around when first asked, about considering options or some such nonsense, she said she was.rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. Get on with it.TheScreamingEagles said:Where Eagle dares?
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/7482153259639889920 -
That's a good point. The Veep nominations are going to matter way more than usual, given the massive negative ratings of the candidates. The question is, does anyone half decent want to serve in that office in the first place?DecrepitJohnL said:OT -- America holds its conventions in a couple of weeks, so keep an eye on the VP nominees markets.
Republicans 18 to 21 July
Democrats 25 to 28 July0 -
Yep we would need to organise rallies on alternate weeks at Trafalgar Square and Victoria Park and he would be happy as a pig in...Jonathan said:Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
Good for the New Zealanders, that's a lovely gesture:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/0 -
Has Burnham delivered jezzas coffee yet?0
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How about making him President, or "honorary leader" or something?Jonathan said:Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
The media vs the Brexit campaigners.TCPoliticalBetting said:Before 9am "Alastair Meeks on the political and economic crises of breathtaking proportions"
After 5pm. UK stock markets up, some above pre Brexit level
Crisis. what fecking crisis?
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/david-keighleys-bbc-watch-the-beeb-is-on-a-mission-to-destroy-the-brexit-vote/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/we-leavers-are-not-racists-bigots-or-hooligans--no-matter-what-t/0 -
"Even the chirpiest Brexiteer, however, would have to concede that the barometer is currently firmly pointing to storm"kle4 said:It is of course far too early to conclude that Brexit is a disaster. Even the chirpiest Brexiteer, however, would have to concede that the barometer is currently firmly pointing to storm
Yes that's fair.
It will be difficult to craft a decent Leave position, but the Tories seem like they are remaining united, more so than I would have thought, so it can be done.
I think this piece is quite right the key is what is Labour's position to be. It cannot be to not declare article 50 (if that is ever to become someone's position it will not be right now, when it is too early to change track, even if it is ever possible), so what? LDs have the rejoin option, and that's not without problems for Labour to copy. The Tories are coming together to form one. But what options are Labour even considering?
So I just about voted to leave - I really wrestled with the decision. I would not agree at all with your assertion though. The barometer is all over the place. It is definitely not pointing anywhere. My guess is towards mild drizzle at worst.
The big risk to the UK is mainly the EU as it stands now.
We have walked away from a bomb that's ticking. In part we may have contributed to starting the timer (which is a bad thing, so sorry). We're not walking away fast enough, and will get some quite nasty wounds in the blast.
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Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.0
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Betfair is NOT a proper guide to probability on politics. If it was then all of us would just be at -5%.MikeL said:
Possibly - but he needs 110 to guarantee making the Final.Pulpstar said:
Very sophisticated electorate - they'll be nominating opponents to try and knock others out.MikeL said:Boris endorsements are inching up very slowly - but still nowhere near the 100 he was reported to have - at least not publicly anyway.
Per Guido spreadsheet (including the candidate) it's now:
Boris - 38
Crabb - 20
May - 18
Fox - 7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=0
If he has actually got 110 (and spare on top to do as you say) then he's in the Final which in turn surely means he should be odds on - or at the very worst even money as he must have at the very least a 50:50 shot with the members.
But in fact he's still significantly odds against - implying he doesn't actually have the 110 - and indeed that he must be well short.0 -
The existential crises being suffered by the EU and Labour Party are definitely features not bugs of this result.0
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Would he be the ghost of Xmas past, present or yet to come?Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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http://www.ibtimes.com.au/ausexit-campaign-australia-cut-ties-commonwealth-gains-momentum-after-historic-brexit-vote-1520338
AusExit campaign for Australia to cut ties with Commonwealth gains momentum after historic Brexit vote0 -
Just because they got whitewashed in the rugby they are taking their bat and ball home.williamglenn said:http://www.ibtimes.com.au/ausexit-campaign-australia-cut-ties-commonwealth-gains-momentum-after-historic-brexit-vote-1520338
AusExit campaign for Australia to cut ties with Commonwealth gains momentum after historic Brexit vote0 -
the only big hit so far is the currency. Arguably that was as at the wrong level given the BOP. it is however slowly picking itself off the floor so will be worth looking at in a months time.TCPoliticalBetting said:Before 9am "Alastair Meeks on the political and economic crises of breathtaking proportions"
After 5pm. UK stock markets up, some above pre Brexit level
Crisis. what fecking crisis?
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What a shocker! A leading Australian republican calls for the abolition of the monarchy.williamglenn said:http://www.ibtimes.com.au/ausexit-campaign-australia-cut-ties-commonwealth-gains-momentum-after-historic-brexit-vote-1520338
AusExit campaign for Australia to cut ties with Commonwealth gains momentum after historic Brexit vote0 -
Not sure JC does Christmas. It would probably the ghost of Jezmus past.FrancisUrquhart said:
Would he be the ghost of Xmas past, present or yet to come?Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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If he survives this then he would have performed a miracle. A couple more and he could be declared a saint.alex. said:
How about making him President, or "honorary leader" or something?Jonathan said:Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
Well done them, and proof that the rest of the world will be very open to getting deals done - and done quickly - to everyone's benefit.John_M said:Good for the New Zealanders, that's a lovely gesture:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/
http://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-gearing-up-to-strike-trade-deals-with-britain/0 -
I'm sure a lot of Labour MPs would love to see him "canonized"Moses_ said:
If he survives this then he would have performed a miracle. A couple more and he could be declared a saint.alex. said:
How about making him President, or "honorary leader" or something?Jonathan said:Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
He's not the Jezziah, he's a very naughty boy!Jonathan said:
Not sure JC does Christmas. It would probably the ghost of Jezmus past.FrancisUrquhart said:
Would he be the ghost of Xmas past, present or yet to come?Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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Very important to note that in past Conservative leader elections, there have been some curious anomalies between the public declarations of support and the actual votes cast in the (secret) ballot. Furthermore, MPs change their minds between rounds.0
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The Vine email explained
https://twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433
OK, I'll get my wife to leak an email saying you are not up to it. Then neither of us has to take it.
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Tony would definitely not be telling Corbyn to resign.Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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Any Tory members on here please write to your MP to not nominate Crabbe as he is obviously Osborne's way of getting the leadership without running.0
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Wasn't it Hacker who supported Eric and Duncan? Then forced them both to withdraw of course...Richard_Nabavi said:Very important to note that in past Conservative leader elections, there have been some curious anomalies between the public declarations of support and the actual votes cast in the (secret) ballot. Furthermore, MPs change their minds between rounds.
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Fecking peasantsMaxPB said:
No agreement.TOPPING said:
EU says kettles must have boiling temperature of 99-100C. We manufacture kettles with maximum boiling temperature of 98.9C. Norway manufactures kettles with maximum boiling temperature of 99.1C.
EEA agreement or no EEA agreement?
Coffee should never have 100degree boiling water it kills it. On the other hand tea.....0 -
Of course he would tell JC to resign. This ego trip of JC would have broken Tony Benn's heart.bigjohnowls said:
Tony would definitely not be telling Corbyn to resign.Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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So does Mr Meeks at the top of this thread. "We're all doomed".Mortimer said:
But how can this be? We're surely headed for ruin. SeanT said so..::maaarsh said:On a Euro denominated basis, judged by stock markets which now seems to be every doom merchants favourite measure, Britain has had one of the better weeks of any European country.
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Ahem. Easyjet, Lloyds, RBS, Berkeley, Persimmon...Alanbrooke said:
the only big hit so far is the currency.
There's a major hit on UK-focused sectors. Companies whose revenues are largely in US dollars have benefited. That's not exactly a vote of confidence in the effect of Brexit on the UK economy.0 -
I can see why the teachers hated Gove now. What a plonker.0
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Do you say that because of any particular plonking?Pulpstar said:I can see why the teachers hated Gove now. What a plonker.
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I would hope that Tony Benn would be rather proud of his son's actions in this. He's been very dignified, and straightforward. I can't really imagine what he'd be advocating if he was alive - Corbyn clearly has a mandate and that would have been a key thing, but nonetheless this is a stupid fight. My hunch therefore is that Tony Benn would have been proud of his son (principles etc), been a defender of Corbyn's mandate to stay, but would have been strongly advocating that he should choose (very important) to depart.Jonathan said:Perhaps someone can dressed up as the ghost of Tony Benn and come to Jez tonight and tell him to leave. Where do we find someone who looks and sounds like Tony Benn? Has to be worth a shot.
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Overheard yesterday in Dublin: ‘So the English are knocked out of Europe twice in one week. Once by Iceland, once by people who shop there.’0
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Had enough of experts, e-mail shenanigans to try and get himself out the soup.Richard_Nabavi said:
Do you say that because of any particular plonking?Pulpstar said:I can see why the teachers hated Gove now. What a plonker.
& Not having any sort of post brexit plan. I assumed whilst Boris was the piss and wind of the campaign Gove might be formulating some post-Brexit outline.0 -
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It's too early to say one way or another. My antidote to the dire reporting in the UK is to read the foreign press. They're far less partisan.Mortimer said:
But how can this be? We're surely headed for ruin. SeanT said so..::maaarsh said:On a Euro denominated basis, judged by stock markets which now seems to be every doom merchants favourite measure, Britain has had one of the better weeks of any European country.
Interestingly, some are already moving on to worry about NLexit, which would be far more of a test for the EZ. Can't see that happening myself.0 -
Crabb can beat May to the final two. Then it's him vs Boris, remain vs leave....nunu said:Any Tory members on here please write to your MP to not nominate Crabbe as he is obviously Osborne's way of getting the leadership without running.
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I believe the traditional and well loved expulsion method with great force on PB is is only in the giving and blessing of Mr Morris. ( initially having been subjected to the enormohaddock of course)RobD said:
I'm sure a lot of Labour MPs would love to see him "canonized"Moses_ said:
If he survives this then he would have performed a miracle. A couple more and he could be declared a saint.alex. said:
How about making him President, or "honorary leader" or something?Jonathan said:Wondering if there is a way to make JC think he is still leader. It might not be that hard, he does not get out much.
It would take about 30 people to follow the messiah around Islington saying JezWeCan and some kind of Internet proxy that redirects his traffic to a cached copy of the Morning Star.
He need never know.0 -
We are suspended in Neverland until article 50 is invoked or removed from the table0
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Tories were level pegging with Labour amongst teachers at the GE 2015 election. The blob don't like him, but many teachers see the need for reform, which has been successful on the whole.We should see results falling now which was the aim, before rising again.Pulpstar said:I can see why the teachers hated Gove now. What a plonker.
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Heaven forbid!RochdalePioneers said:
Crabb can beat May to the final two. Then it's him vs Boris, remain vs leave....nunu said:Any Tory members on here please write to your MP to not nominate Crabbe as he is obviously Osborne's way of getting the leadership without running.
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Yay for the new Enlightened Economic Commonwealth.Sandpit said:
Well done them, and proof that the rest of the world will be very open to getting deals done - and done quickly - to everyone's benefit.John_M said:Good for the New Zealanders, that's a lovely gesture:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/
http://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-gearing-up-to-strike-trade-deals-with-britain/
The EEC.0 -
Is that the Winter or the plague of locusts or WW3 coming?rottenborough said:
Don't worry, it's coming.TCPoliticalBetting said:Before 9am "Alastair Meeks on the political and economic crises of breathtaking proportions"
After 5pm. UK stock markets up, some above pre Brexit level
Crisis. what fecking crisis?
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Falconer will never resign thoughRochdalePioneers said:
Crabb can beat May to the final two. Then it's him vs Boris, remain vs leave....nunu said:Any Tory members on here please write to your MP to not nominate Crabbe as he is obviously Osborne's way of getting the leadership without running.
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Jon Snow on Channel 4 News says rumour that Eagle will make a statement tomorrow at 3 pm that she will challenge Corbyn for the leadership.0
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Has Falconer resigned yetRochdalePioneers said:
Crabb can beat May to the final two. Then it's him vs Boris, remain vs leave....nunu said:Any Tory members on here please write to your MP to not nominate Crabbe as he is obviously Osborne's way of getting the leadership without running.
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individual shares and sectors always bounce around. The total index is up and the FTSE 250 is back where it was mid June.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ahem. Easyjet, Lloyds, RBS, Berkeley, Persimmon...Alanbrooke said:
the only big hit so far is the currency.
There's a major hit on UK-focused sectors. Companies whose revenues are largely in US dollars have benefited. That's not exactly a vote of confidence in the effect of Brexit on the UK economy.0 -
Yep Eagle conference 3pm tomorrow0
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I have to say that it has been very quiet on here on that front today....Mortimer said:
But how can this be? We're surely headed for ruin. SeanT said so..::maaarsh said:On a Euro denominated basis, judged by stock markets which now seems to be every doom merchants favourite measure, Britain has had one of the better weeks of any European country.
Friday I had visions of A&E being filled with PB'ers stretched in having thrown themselves out of Windows 10.0 -
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@BBCVickiYoung: Angela Eagle to launch leadership challenge tomorrow @JPonpolitics #labour0
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